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An anonymous reader writes "With the 90th Tour de France starting today, it is fun to marvel at the improvement of road bike technology over the years. Like others, I have traded up from heavy steel to aluminum, and now carbon fiber, ending up with a bike far better than its rider. How have advances in sports technology enhanced your own performance and enjoyment of sport?"

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  1. Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by caferace · · Score: 5, Insightful
    F1 cars are made out of Unobtanium. Is that cool? Sure.

    Using a bunch of SGI boxes to make a hockey puck look like a comet? Uncool.

    It all depends on how it's meted out. I mean, we're talking about the melding of man and machine here, for the most part. I doubt anyone on Slashdot is going to complain about that, unless you are one of those people that are freaked out about genetically modified corn seed. But I digress.

    I've got a garage full of Kevlar and Carbon fiber, and all sorts of trick chemicals to do some pretty cool things with it. However, I'm most amazed at the *design* behind technology in sports. It's not enough to have the materials to make something that can outperform a lesser material like wood, metal or even bone. It's the *way* in which it is applied.

    My experience is mostly around Motor Sports, and that background is 80 years deep in my family. Hell, my Mom used to race. My last *name* is Race.

    All that, and I race in basically a production class. I make the trick bits for other people.

    1. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F1 cars are made out of Unobtanium. Wow seriously? How would I go about acquiring such an exotic material?

    2. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny
      Tivo and 100+ channels have immensely enhanced my experience of sporting event coverage...

      I need never see any sports broadcast - ever again!

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    3. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by fliplap · · Score: 4, Funny

      F1 cars are made out of Unobtanium. Is that cool? Sure.

      Um, this hasn't been true for some time now. F1 cars are now made of exactly 63% Unobtainium and 47% Bolonium.

      This combination gives the kind of tremendous horsepower gains you see in street modifications such as stickers, bright blue neon lights and 19" wheels (also made of the Unobtainium/Bolonium alloy).

    4. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by angry+old+man · · Score: 4, Funny
      Um, this hasn't been true for some time now. F1 cars are now made of exactly 63% Unobtainium and 47% Bolonium.

      You forgot to mention the -10% Slow-goin-ium that they remove from the alloy. They need this for speeding up the F1 car and for making percentages add to 100%.

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    5. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      way to miss the joke. nothing else in that post makes any sense. why did you think the math should?

    6. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 The Core reference

    7. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I still get my VW made from Turbonium?

    8. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      one of those people that are freaked out about genetically modified corn seed.

      The companies that are genetically modifying the corn seed are ADM and Pharmacia (through its Monsanto purchase) and are not forthcomming about what was done with the plant nor having trials to see what happens to people who eat their product. They are not letting the public get a chance to scrutinize their product. That corn, it's food, it goes in you and does that crazy "sustaning life thing". Some people are concerned about their food safety and appriciate corporate responsibility, transperancy and accountability.

      In 2000 and 2001 there was a company that was very combative about how it conducted its busniess and how little it told the public or its share holders about its products and financial statements. That company was Enron. This seems to parallel the practice of "actively disliking your customers" the recording industry has gotten on.

      -J

    9. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up; mod grandparent up.

      SB

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    10. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by haystor · · Score: 1

      Your last name is Race, but even cooler is your userid.

      I miss my Olds.

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    11. Re:Technology can go too far... Or not far enough. by lpret · · Score: 1

      What about the random kanji characters? They definitely help my Honda CRX.

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  2. Like Wolfenstein MP - All Cheats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    With the 90th Tour de France starting today, it is fun to marvel at the improvement of the human body's haemoglobin levels and the increased ability to store oxygen in the blood stream.

  3. Not at all. by Dashmon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [quote]How have advances in sports technology enhanced your own performance and enjoyment of sport?[/quote]

    They haven't. Sometimes, they've made it worse. Sports and challenges in general are best when there's as few things involved as possible.

    1. Re:Not at all. by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      Actually, it depends. Are you a spectator or a player?

      What about.. ... the glowing 1'st down line in american football ... the ability for the coach to communicate directly to the QB? ... new equpitment built from the sciences of other things

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    2. Re:Not at all. by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sports technology has negatively affected golf, tennis, and hockey. Fortunately, it hasn't ruined nude jello wrestling.

      -a

    3. Re:Not at all. by aclarke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So technology has made NO positive impact in any sport you play? Comments like this may come across as insightful to others, and that's great, but to me it sounds like you're a grouchy old stick-in-the mud. Does your sport have footwear? Possibly you've forgotten how much improvement there has been in functional, comfortable and durable athletic footwear in the last twenty years. Try putting on a pair of football (oops soccer) cleats from the early '80s, or skates, or running shoes. Maybe your sports don't require specialized footwear (bridge? chess?) but I for one appreciate not having to purchase a new pair of shoes every 6 months because I wore out the old ones.

    4. Re:Not at all. by Dashmon · · Score: 1

      I play soccer (casually), ride bike, walk (distances), and play chess. I can do most of it wearing good sturdy leather shoes, but I agree foorwear is handy. I don't consider that "new technology" though - not the subject of the question, anyway. What I'm talking about here is for example that bikes are today better than those who ride 'm. I don't think that has made ANY positive impact, no. The whole point of sports is that you do it yourself, or together, but always using your own resources. Racing machines against eachother is hardly more interesting than a benchmark test, IMHO.

    5. Re:Not at all. by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If clipless bicycle pedals and cleats don't make you enjoy cycling more, you're not riding hard enough.

      That's just my opinion. But it's right. : )

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    6. Re:Not at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a soccer player!

      Cheers!

    7. Re:Not at all. by davidm25 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In case you haven't noticed medical technology has really improved the sport of nude jello wrestling.

    8. Re:Not at all. by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      What I'm talking about here is for example that bikes are today better than those who ride 'm

      Good point. That's exactly why I still ride my 97 Fisher Joshua. It is still after this time, more bike than I need. It is so far beyond any bike I had ridden up to that time it's not funny.

      But while the point of sports is that you do it yourself, technology lets you go farther and do things more safely which leads to you enjoying it more, which leads you working to become even better, which leads to you enjoying it more...

      I was about to make a flippant comment about the lack of technology in my weight room in the basement (after all it's just heavy cast iron circles and holders, right?) then I remembered my Olympic bar has swivel ends which make it much less painful to squat when your body rotates the bar slightly, but the inertia of a few 100lbs of weights wants to stay still.
    9. Re:Not at all. by nossid · · Score: 1

      Actually, if a good helmet doesn't make you enjoy cycling more, you're not riding hard enough.

      Running my mountainbike (Giant NSR) fully suspended sure made it more enjoyable. My personal view is that it is the suspension systems that have evolved the most. I don't care for 27 gears or whatever the current fad is, a good fork on the other hand...

    10. Re:Not at all. by threemile · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I must disagree with your statement that technology has negatively impacted hockey. I played goalie until I was 9 years old, and I stopped because getting hit with a puck hurts! With the advancement in goalie equiptment I was able to start playing goalie again this past year. The pads now are many times lighter, cover almost all of your body, and rely on many different impact absorbing techniques (as opposed to the 'ol leather and cotton pads).

      Thus, advancements in technology have enabled me to start playing a sport I love recreationally again without the fear of being seriously hurt.

    11. Re:Not at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me ask you, what do you think of the NHL and Wayne Gretzky's plan to crack down on the size of goalie equipment?

    12. Re:Not at all. by aclarke · · Score: 1

      Yep, there's nothing quite like a good fork...

    13. Re:Not at all. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Golf, yeah. Technology shortens up courses and makes everyone hit straighter and longer. In return, the courses get tighter and longer. Unfortunately, it hasn't figured out a cure for the yips.

      Tennis? I dunno... I think the switch from wood to aluminum, and catgut to nylon, were the big ones, as you finally had a racket that wasn't weather-sensitive. Now you knew what your equipment would do, which removes one variable. I think this is a good thing. And I don't think it's the rackets that are primarily responsible for how damn hard the guys (and some of the women) are hitting it. It's the ubiquity of weight training and cross-training.

      That said, I don't think women's tennis has been hurt at all. On that side, they can still run down shots and return serves no matter how hard they're hit. But men's tennis is generally boring as hell (Federer at Wimbledon aside).

      Everyone's about as strong as they're gonna get, and barring some miracle, they're about as fast as they're gonna get. The two are out of balance but what can be done? Make the court smaller?

      Hockey: Composite one-piece sticks and modern skates are a GOOD thing. Very, very good. Now if only they'd do something about goaltenders' pads... but tape and padding aren't exactly new technology.

      One very good thing modern technology has done for all sports is allow players to recover from injuries that would have left them broken for life 50 years ago. "Tommy John" surgery, arthroscopic surgery, and other techniques primarily used on athletes only 20 or 30 years ago are now quite reasonable options for the rest of us. Without all those athletes out there hurting themselves and each other, lots of these simply wouldn't have become everyday procedures.

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    14. Re:Not at all. by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      I have a GT idrive, and I was pretty impressed on the suspension setup. They put one of the pivot points (its 4 bar linkage in the back, or pretty much equiv. to it) *around* the bottom bracket. This is supposed to help when you are climbing a hill, and you want all your pedal power to go into getting you up the hill and not having your back wheel go up and down. I would say things like this are good for mountain biking, as the older full suspension bikes had bad traits about them. The old (5yrs or so) mountain bikes with a swingarm and shock (just a single pivot point or sometimes 2, not 4 like the modern fs bikes) have big problems when climbing hills, a lot of energy is wasted and you end up bobbing up and down. These types of disadvantages kinda limit what the person can do with the bike. Id rather watch mountain biking to see the skill of the biker, on how he takes drops, corners, etc, and having a bike that the rider really doesn't have to think about makes the sport more exciting.

    15. Re:Not at all. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      Bicycles have barely improved in the past 20 years, as far as non-Olympians are concerned. The quality of "average" bikes has improved, though, as techniques that used to be only in hand-made frames has come to the mass market. As for "upgrading" from heavy steel to aluminium to carbon; that's paying 100s of percent more for a tiny weight advantage. On this page about testing frames, the weights of similar sized frames are:
      • titanium 1.44 kg
      • carbon 1.52 kg
      • aluminium 1.47 kg
      • 531 steel 1.95 kg
      Is saving 1 pound going to make much or any difference? Get your hair cut and save as much, and improve your streamling as well.

      My 531 steel frame touring bike, after 21 years' service, may be retired, due to a crossed bottom bracket thread that would cost more than a new bike to fix. Meanwhile I'm riding a recent mountain bike, but pine for my old one. The spring shocks are just complications unnecessary for a road bike, but it's hard to get one without them now. Likewise going from clusters of 5 to 6 was nice, but now it's at 8 or 9, which is just pointless, and needs a narrower chain that wears out faster.

      For Slashdotters, it may be worth noting that Shimano has been called the Microsoft of bicycles, due to it having wiped out a lot of competition in bike components through OEM agreements, and first following standards as it moves into a new segment (thread sizes, etc) then once it dominates, changing them on an annual basis in cosmetically pretty but functionally indifferent ways that make finding spare parts almost impossible and forcing replacements when all you need is a little cog wheel.

    16. Re:Not at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lets see... I disagree, disagree, agree, disagree, and agree.
      bikes have changed alot, but some are not noticeable, and some are not for the better. for example, we have several new frame materials, carbon, titanium, aluminum, but also boron carbide, and even unobtanium! (: there are new components, such as cartridge bearings, which have a greatly improved life expectency, and are cheaper to overhaul (buy new bearings) than the recently implemented sealed bottom bracket (buy a new BB).

      how can you use reynolds 531 as a benchmark of weight for a steel bike? 531 is the steel they use for tandems and touring bikes. there are much lighter steels that match aluminum's weight.

      yes, there is a bunch the rider can do to save weight, like eat less, or shave and shit.

      the problem is that good bikes are expensive, and that the market is flooded with cheap robot build aluminum bikes, not that a road bike (without shocks) that will last you 21 years is hard to find. the narrower chains don't really stretch any faster, because they aren't really that much narrower, and the parts that they have made smaller don't really matter to chain strength. I love my ten speed campy rear cassette!

      yeah, shimano sucks. I use campy exclusively, and I also use a macintosh.

    17. Re:Not at all. by sh00z · · Score: 1
      I'm coming late to the thread, but the parent deserves a virtual "insightful" mod. I'll think about retiring my 531 frame when it breaks, or I lose 15 pounds from *my* frame.

      As far as Shimano's planned obsolescence goes, I dread the day that I'm forced to updrade. I did a 150-mile charity ride this spring, with 10,000 riders, and besides my own, I only saw one other bike with downtube shifters.

    18. Re:Not at all. by niblitz · · Score: 1

      I've still got my wooden "Jack Kramer" Wilson racquet, but I would use it only against a player who has agreed to use a wooden racquet too. I was in REI yesterday checking out mountain bikes. No question, we are living in a Golden Age of Equipment. If it's used to compete against someone else -- say, in golf or tennis -- I'm with the Luddites. But if high-tech improvements enhance one's enjoyment of the sport -- shaped skis for us 50-somethings, for instance, or composite-frame mountain bikes -- then I'm all for it. Rick Ackerman

    19. Re:Not at all. by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1

      Hey, I agree completely. I was just trying to make a funny comment.

      -a

    20. Re:Not at all. by threemile · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind seeing more goals, and looking at the size of some of these goalies I may begin to agree that pads are getting too large. There is a difference between the size of the pad and it's ability to absorb the impact of a shot. Depending on body proportions I think size limits could be useful. With the advancements is padding technology a size cap should have no negative repercussions on the pad's ability to protect the goalie.

  4. We're computer geeks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, we're computer geeks. The only technological enhancement which has increased our enjoyment of sports is high definition television and surround sound. If you want sports, ESPN is down the hall.

    1. Re:We're computer geeks. by Wire+Tap · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, the poster was probably aiming at humor, and I might even be faling for a troll/flamebait... but, I think this has to be said.

      Being a geek does not imply that one is lazy, out of shape, or otherwise physically impaired. I would describe myself as one of the biggest geeks in town, both for my prowess at computers, my application of technology in daily life, and my interest in a wide variety of intellectual pursuits. However, this does not mean I sit around eating chips all day, while staring at a huge TV with two computers on the sides.

      In fact, I enjoy bike riding. I have a rather old bike, but it will do until college is done and I have a job which can afford me a newer model. I enjoy working out at the gym, or running through the city. I am a practitioner of martial arts (brown belt in Shito-Ryu karate style, and will soon be training in TKD and Judo). I eat a healty diet, and I make a conscious effort to balance my physical and mental well being.

      The point is that being a geek does not indicate that one must fall into the stereotype that your post seems to be enforcing. Please, enough of that.

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    2. Re:We're computer geeks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who uses the words "prowess" and "computers" in the same sentence is a fucking ginormous fat-ass lazy geek. Don't try to fool us.

      Hope this helps.

  5. Ack pfffttt!!! by StillDocked · · Score: 1

    The Outdoor Network, which has American Television rights, is advertising this as the 100th Tour De France. Is anonymous poster correct?

    Aside from that, my golf game has improved, and with HDTV, watching baseball is wonderful...

    1. Re:Ack pfffttt!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Outdoor Network is advertising this as the 100th Tour De France."

      According to the official TDF site, it's the 90th.

    2. Re:Ack pfffttt!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      90th tour, 100th anniversary.

    3. Re:Ack pfffttt!!! by jas79 · · Score: 2, Informative

      the poster is correct. It is the 90th tour, but the Tour is also 100 years old. they missed 11 tours arround the first and the second world war.

    4. Re:Ack pfffttt!!! by critter_hunter · · Score: 1

      So there hasn't been a Tour de France every year since it's inception.

      Makes perfect sense, too - I'd have been questioning the priorities of the people involved if there had been a Tour de France during either World War.

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    5. Re:Ack pfffttt!!! by rblancarte · · Score: 1
      I'd have been questioning the priorities of the people involved if there had been a Tour de France during either World War.
      Yea, the Germans didn't care too much about damn bike races.
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  6. Bikes by superdan2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, given that I've been racing bicycles for 15 years now, I think that the biggest advances have to be lightweight suspensions and disc brakes on mountain bikes, integrated shift/brake levers on road bikes, and scandium as a frame material.

    Scandium's a pretty new development -- gives you the weight of aluminum with the durability and "liveliness" of steel...

    Carbon fiber -- I've never liked, not even Trek's OCLV -- too much of a "dead" feel to the ride...

    For my road bike, I too, am on aluminum, but I'm going back to steel this fall -- because, in the end, steel is real. I can get a bike similarly equipped to my aluminum one, at a similar weight (steel's got some great new alloys), with the feel and responsiveness I've always loved...

    I could write forever on this subject, so I'll just shut up now. :-)

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    1. Re:Bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steel, aluminum, carbon fiber, whatever... It's still about legs, lungs, heart, drive, passion, and pain, regardless of equipment. Yes, equipment can make somewhat of a difference. But top cyclists are still phenomenal athletes, and that's really what it boils down to.

      "How many speeds does that bike have?"

      "One--fast."

    2. Re:Bikes by dhovis · · Score: 2, Informative
      scandium as a frame material.

      Scandium? Uh..... I've never heard of that and I'm a materials scientist. I think you mean aluminum-scandium alloys, but those only have about 3%Sc. Scandium is excellent at strengthening aluminum, though.

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    3. Re:Bikes by superdan2k · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I'm referring to, actually. In the bike community we refer to it as "scandium"...same as when we say "titanium"...what we're referring to is alloys of titanium.

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    4. Re:Bikes by rottcodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Steel has some definite advantages- it can be safely bent (which I've had to do a couple of times to get modern wider hubs into my nifty older frames), better notch resistance, and, unlike aluminum, if the strain cycles are low enough it won't fatigue. I haven't liked the feel of the three Al bikes I've had too much- I prefer Reynold 531 steel, and Columbus SP. Could be luck of the draw, and I got good steel bikes.

      I also wonder about the smaller selection of sizes of new bikes, and I haven't heard of any custom Al bikes (though I haven't looked in a couple of years). I have the impression that steel tubing is easier to set up.

    5. Re:Bikes by Thrower1141 · · Score: 1

      i believe that deRosa offers custom Al frames, and Colnago used to, but im not sure if they still do, but nothing compares to 531

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    6. Re:Bikes by lnoble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      because, in the end, steel is real. I can get a bike similarly equipped to my aluminum one, at a similar weight (steel's got some great new alloys), with the feel and responsiveness I've always loved...

      Right on. Advances in frame technology/materials hasn't been nearly enough to shift me away from steel, though I admit I don't race often, I prefer a classic bike, and use nothing but Brooks leather saddles, Campy components, and wool clothing(hate nylon/lycra look and feel) which might give me greater bias. Almost every new frame I see is just too ugly with oversized tubing, radical geometries and flashy paint jobs. My bike built around a Cinelli Supercorsa turns heads every time I ride(I know it isn't me) and while it isn't the lightest thing around the quality of its ride it is by far better than any anything else I've tried(titanium, carbon fiber, aluminum) save a few better steel frames I've tried. Also steel is the only material that you can currently use with the lugs, and why any one would not want lugs has always been a mystery to me.

      Cycling has a very rich history much of it based in the merge of man and machine. The style and elegance of bicycles seems to have taken a hit since the 90s.

      The UCI also regulates total road bike weight to something like 16 pounds or greater, a mark that has been surpassed, so hopefully now more focus will be put into the quality of ride rather then weight=speed.

    7. Re:Bikes by dhovis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but in materials, we refer to an alloy by its main component. When you have 97%Al and 3%Sc, it is an aluminum alloy. Calling it "Scandium" is marketing BS. Al-Sc alloys have impressive enough properties, I know people who've studied them, but this sort of thing annoys me because in the end, it confuses people. Heck, the alloy probably has more Mg than Sc. Why not call it magnesium?

      Similarly, one of the most common titanium alloys is "6-4" titanium, which is 6%Al, 4%V, and 90%Ti. So you can legtitimatly call it "titanium".

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    8. Re:Bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have that exactly right!

      duff

    9. Re:Bikes by angry+old+man · · Score: 1
      I'll be the 2nd material scientist to reply to your post. Durability and "liveliness" of a material is more of a design issue than a material issue. I know that various materials are used to solve design issues, but believe me, a Carbon Fiber, Aluminum, or titanium frame can be made to feel every bit as lively as a steel frame.

      It's okay to say that *current* aluminum frames don't feel as lively as a steel frame, but if Aluminum frames were designed to "feel like steel" rather than designed to "be as light as possible", then I'm sure they would feel just like steel.

      Finally, to correct your remark: "Steel's got some great new alloys". No, it doesn't. Even the fancy high-strength alloy steels aren't new (in the last 20 years). They just haven't been applied in bicycle manufacturing or tubing yet.

      Everything is as "real" as steel. It's just that steel is mature. Steel alloying technology goes back to middle ages. Carbon fiber technology dates back to the cold war. That's why there seems to be a steel that works for every manufacturing/design problem. Although we've had bulge-formed steel tubes, double and triple butted steel tubes, various welding & bonding techniques with steel for many years, there hasn't been the same demand for those types of Al or Ti tubes until recently. It seems as though the Cold War defense/Aerospace industry was happy with straight-gauge formed AL and Ti tubes. Only in the last 10 years has high-performance sporting industries created enough demand for exotic formed Al & Ti tubes that manufacturers actually started creating them. I remember reading an advertisement by Lightspeed Titanium saying that they were bending sheets of 6/4 Ti into tubes for their bike frames since you couldn't *draw* 6/4 into a tube shape. IMO, a bike company shouldn't be forming their own tubing. It's far to expensive for them to be doing it, rather they should focus on connecting the tubes to create bikes. Hopefully in the years since, they have found a tubing maker capable of making 6/4 tubing. Now that the cold war is over, manufacturers have to rely on aerospace and sports to peddle their tubes & billet. The automobile industry isn't very interested in composites or high-tech ceramics (e.g. carbon) since these materials are not as recycleable as steel or AL.

      BTW, I'm on a steel road bike, and I love the feel of it. Irregardless of material, I won't buy another road bike until I find one that matches the liveliness of my current one.

      Finally, I know I made a bunch of general remarks in this post without backing it up with facts. Please disagree and reply with what you think. I'd love to read if your opinions differ from mine.

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    10. Re:Bikes by angry+old+man · · Score: 1
      Wool wearing, steel frame riding stubborn old people like you refuse to be flexible enough to test equipment and objectively determine if it's better or not. My Descente plain white (read: Not flashy or lycra) sleevless jersey is my most comfortable shirt I own, and I wish I could wear it at work.

      For Slashdot readers who aren't familiar with bicycling, lnoble is equivalent to a bearded Debian user who has nothing better to do than tell people to RTFM and "It's called GNU/Linux, not Linux". He's to afraid to try MS Outlook to see that it actually *IS* a decent program, or that Windows has been stable and useable since Win2k.

      But for those of us who are familiary with biking, we'll probably pass this guy as we're climbing a hill. As we breeze past him, we'll know that Polyester *is* cooler than wool (and less stinky), that 32 teeth in the rear is a nice gear to have, that a lighter, more resilient bike is both faster and feels nicer than a lead/steel tank, and finally, that every advance in cycling in the last 10 years (there have been huge advances in the last 10 years) have been made to the advantage of the cyclist.

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    11. Re:Bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, but in materials, we refer to an alloy by its main component.

      And in real world, we refer to people by their main tendency. In your case that would be asshole.

      We're not talking material science here. People refer to it as Scandium not because we failed material science, or chemistry, or metallurgy, or because we don't know it's an alloy and Scandium sounds cooler. We refer to it that way because Scandium is the component that differenciates the material. It's what makes it special. You refer to medicines either by their brand names, or by the active ingridient, even though that ingridient may only be 0.1% and the rest is filler.

      No one gives a shit what you propeller heads call things.

    12. Re:Bikes by Thrower1141 · · Score: 1

      Colango has lugged carbon fiber frames (c40, i ride one), but the Cinelli is pretty sick

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    13. Re:Bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's okay to say that *current* aluminum frames
      > don't feel as lively as a steel frame, but if
      > Aluminum frames were designed to "feel like
      > steel"

      A lot of the current al mtn frames are designed to be horizontally (sorry, I'm software not mech e :)) stiff but taper in the opposite direction down at the bottom bracket. The result is a much much better feel for a mtn ride.

      I love my Ti hardtail mtn frame...now that is lively!

    14. Re:Bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was enjoying your comment until you said "irregardless."

    15. Re:Bikes by scribler · · Score: 1

      But in marketing you use what sounds cool. What sells. Since I live in florida and usually carry two water bottles and a hydo pack with 100 ozs of water. The few pounds that an AlSc, Ti, or Cabon frame would save me is not worth the money. No my carbon fiber fork was worth every cent. It really helps smooth out the ride. Now on my MTB I have steel.

    16. Re:Bikes by Nick+Barnes · · Score: 1
      16 pounds

      6.8 kilograms, i.e. 15 pounds. Chapter 1 of the UCI rules (PDF), rule 1.3.019 (page 45). There are many other rules, including specifically that no technical innovation can be used unless it has been approved by the UCI Executive Committee. To get approval for an innovation you have to submit it to the UCI by 30th June for use from the 1st January of the following year (1.3.004, page 41). Technological change in the sport is tightly controlled.

    17. Re:Bikes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but for a recreational cyclist, the affordable high-tech equipment is a godsend for turning cycling from a chore you have to train for into a fun+healthy diversion.

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    18. Re:Bikes by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Yet, when people call telnetting port 80 hacking, you people cry foul.

      The parent knows what he's talking about. He's trying to educate you. Educate. As in "teaching you new stuff". As in "using your brai..."

      Sorry - my bad.

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    19. Re:Bikes by doozer · · Score: 1

      As a Debian user (not bearded though), who prefers dselect to anything else,
      and has no problem telling people to RTFM when it seems like they haven't,
      who doesn't really care for GNU/Linux or Linux one way or another, and
      has a win2k box right next to my Linux box (though I would never claim it to
      be as stable as my Linux box), I take offense at being compared to the wool wearing,
      steel frame riding stubborn old person.

      I like my front-suspension, aluminum frame 27 speed (34 teeth in the rear),
      but I'd still pick dselect if I was only able to keep one.

      Not that it matters anymore, since someone stole my bike. Bike lock technology,
      how much has that changed? And do you think the ability to break locks has
      advanced faster (I do, someone grabbed 4 bikes, a total of 5 locks (two on mine)
      when they grabbed my bike, and all in less then 10 minutes, in a well
      lit area)

    20. Re:Bikes by lnoble · · Score: 1

      All I am doing is stating my preference. If you actually read my post you would have noted that I compared this to my experiences with other frames/materials. I use modern Record 9 components, my frame was built in 2001 using light weight Columbus Neuron steel tubing. It is within a pound of comparable frames and in many cases lighter, and in my opinion provides a superior ride and feel to most other materials. In any-case it isn't a "lead...tank".

      I may be a little stubborn but at the age of 19 I am by few standards old, and unless you ride professionally I probably will keep right up with or more likely pass you on said hill. I can also acknowledge the advancements of the last ten years, but still can see were we've fallen backwards, something I don't believe you understand.

      Oh, by the way merino wool used in cycling clothing is in fact many times more odor resistant than any other synthetic or natural fabric on the market. My wool jerseys only need to be washed once every 7-9 rides. My modern cool-max jersey can barely last two rides without stinking up my entire room. Merino wool doesn't itch, it wicks far better, and it is an all around better material for sports wear. It's only disadvantage by its price and the stigma associated with the traditional itchy wool leisure clothing. Also on a college students budget of practically zero I still feel it has better economic value then most synthetics.
      If you would like to actually be objective for once try it you won't be disappointed.

      YOU should stop being stubborn and substantiate your claims, rather then making wild assumptions of my character.

    21. Re:Bikes by angry+old+man · · Score: 1
      Sorry lnoble,

      My post was intended to make fun of the stereotype more than make fun of you. I will admit to never having worn a wool jersey, although I hear they can be quite comfortable. The pictures on the website that you linked are great (the old cycling pictures)

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  7. My Optical Mouse by c4Ff3In3+4ddiC+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    My optical mouse has improved my Counter-Strike scores dramatically. I am feared by all.

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    1. Re:My Optical Mouse by SeanTobin · · Score: 1

      Although the parent is indeed funny, optical mice shouldn't be overlooked.

      After using one about 2 years ago I could never go back. I even find myself constantly annoyed when I use a different computer with a non-optical mouse.

      Optical mice are quite possibly the biggest leap 'standard' computer mice have made in the last 15 years.

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    2. Re:My Optical Mouse by Ataru · · Score: 1

      Presumably you mean optical mice that work on (almost) arbitrary surfaces, rather than the ancient ones that only worked on special mouse mats (I remember Sun ones from nearly 15 years ago).
      They are excellent, but they don't like being moved very quickly. Maybe this has been fixed in newer models?

    3. Re:My Optical Mouse by c4Ff3In3+4ddiC+ · · Score: 1
      They are excellent, but they don't like being moved very quickly. Maybe this has been fixed in newer models?
      I purchased an el cheapo Logitech USB/PS2 Optical Mouse for $14 and it has no problems when moving quickly. I did have a different Logitech Optical mouse before and I noticed it would get a little wierd if you were too quick. Usually, upping the speed in the control panel fixed the problem though.
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    4. Re:My Optical Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a hacker, your optical mouse gives you a sincere advantage, as well if you use buy scripts and walk to be more stealthy.

      For as much hacking that does take place in CS, I am most tired of the sour grapes claiming all decent players are hackers.

    5. Re:My Optical Mouse by Telastyn · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I personally dislike optical mice. I have a nasty habit of turning my mouse [as it will be detected as minute movement in one direction or another depending on which side the mouse rollers is on] and lifting the mouse up occasionally to reorient it. Optical mice don't like that much.

      Furthermore I don't find optical mice to be as responsive or as sensitive as a good ball mouse. I have a razer boomslang [www.razerzone.com] and they are exceptional mice once you get used to their absurd sensitivity at the desktop.

      Note that all of this is for gaming only. Optical mice are certainly snazzy for desktop use and technologically are far advanced. Just like LCDs are a big jump over CRT, but... not for what I use them for...

    6. Re:My Optical Mouse by c4Ff3In3+4ddiC+ · · Score: 1
      You must be a hacker, your optical mouse gives you a sincere advantage, as well if you use buy scripts and walk to be more stealthy.
      Begin Standard Counter-Strike pre-game checklist:
      Optical Mouse....... CHECK
      Buy Scripts......... CHECK
      Walk Toggle Bind.... CHECK
      Monitor Gamma Up.... CHECK
      Headphones.......... CHECK
      Caffeine............ CHECK
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    7. Re:My Optical Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Optical mice are quite possibly the biggest leap 'standard' computer mice have made in the last 15 years.

      Surely you mean 'since the scroll wheel'? Optical's nice, but I'd go insane without the wheel gizmo.

  8. This is slashdot by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize who you're asking right? For most of us, Surfing the net is the closest we're going to get to sport.

    All Jokes Aside, here's some real commentary.

    I wish i had thousands to spend on a bike. Watching those guys toss those bikes around as they were riding in the tour this morning really wish i had it that easy. When I think of sport, I think of the guys who got it hard, like those kenyan's who run, with nothing but a pair of shoes. I like to see sports where winning or losing isn't about the technology, it's about how good you actually are at the sport.

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    1. Re:This is slashdot by NetJunkie · · Score: 1

      Well, since almost everyone in the Tour has the best equipment the difference is the rider, isn't it? Therefore it is back down to the rider.

      Good technology will only get you so far.

    2. Re:This is slashdot by big+tex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's almost like that.

      I rowed on the crew team in college, another sport where tech dominates. Think carbon fiber out the yinyang.

      Despite the computer models showing the "perfect" hull shape, different people row better in different shaped boats. It just kind of is.
      Back to the bikes - there is the guy a couple of comments up saying how his Scandium frame is the best thing since sliced bread, much better than those 'dead feeling' carbon fiber bikes. Well, maybe the Scandium does that little extra for him, lets him ride a little harder, a little faster. There's got to be some other guy out there that feels the same way about carbon fiber bikes - they let him ride a little harder, a little faster, in a way that Scandium can't do for him.

      Or, to put it in slashdot terms, you can't 100% compare a G5 mac with a P4 X86 - they just plain aren't the same animal, despite their both being at the top of the desktop technologial lader. (flame if you want, but it's a freakin' example. count to three first.)

      So, wer're back to man AND machine, not man WITH machine.

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    3. Re:This is slashdot by critter_hunter · · Score: 1

      That's competition-wise. But from a simple enjoyment perspective, a good racing bike is much better than a bad bike. You really feel as though the effort you put into pedalling is converted entirely to speed, instead of being lost on friction.

      And there's something immensely enjoyable about being able to lift your bike with your pinky, although I couldn't really tell you why it is so. It just feels very satisfying

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    4. Re:This is slashdot by NetJunkie · · Score: 1

      I agree with that. I went and rode a "good" bike for the first time the other day. Wow. What a difference. It really was more enjoyable. I plan on picking one up very soon.

    5. Re:This is slashdot by David+Hume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, since almost everyone in the Tour has the best equipment the difference is the rider, isn't it? Therefore it is back down to the rider.

      Good technology will only get you so far.


      While generally true, it is not always true. A good example is sailing, where having the best boat can almost decide the competition before it is held. Another example may be certain forms of auto racing. Of course, there are those who would argue that the design, engineering and maufacture of the equipment is part of the competition, but I dont think that is what most people think of as sport.

      Also effected is the comparison of athletes and records over time. How much better, if any, is Tiger Woods than Jack Nickalaus in driving, putting, etc., and how much of the difference is due to improvements in the clubs and golf balls, etc. Did the yearly baseball homerun record fall repeatedly in recent years because the players are so much better, or because of the supplements they take, and does it make a difference.
    6. Re:This is slashdot by timeOday · · Score: 1
      I seem to remember Greg LeMond kicking everybody's butt thanks in part to his pioneering use of aero bars. And how about clap skates.

      I've heard the PGA tries hard to keep scores comparable over the decades, but I guess there's really no way to tell.

    7. Re:This is slashdot by John+Zebedee · · Score: 1

      Well, a neighbour has a bike made, s'welp me, by the "Dae Yung Bicycle Co." ISTM, technology might have gone a bit far!

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    8. Re:This is slashdot by mwillmore · · Score: 0

      I agree. While there are always rookies entering the Tour with nothing more than what bike they could afford, powered by their aspirations, it will be the veterans like Lance that will be the contenders. Lance and all his buddies have the latest and greatest in gear. Lance chooses Trek, others choose Cannondale, Specialized, Lemond, Litespeed, etc. While the technology can go great lengths, it comes down to the ability of the rider to pull it out. In the end, it's the rider, not the bike.

    9. Re:This is slashdot by pariahdecss · · Score: 1

      You obviously do not have a clue what it takes to ride in the Tour De France. If you did you would realize it is the most grueling affront to the human body imaginable and even a 3 gram bike would not minimize the difficulty. The Kenyans running a marathon barefoot have it easy. Try riding a bike 150 miles a day in the Swiss Alps for 3 weeks straight - oh wait . . .they get a few "rest/travel" days Lance Armstrong is a god

    10. Re:This is slashdot by JabezTheHutt · · Score: 1

      the difference could come down to how well they conceal their drugs

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    11. Re:This is slashdot by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Or, to put it in slashdot terms, you can't 100% compare a G5 mac with a P4 X86 - they just plain aren't the same animal, despite their both being at the top of the desktop technologial lader. (flame if you want, but it's a freakin' example. count to three first.)

      Yeah, I'll take the bait. If history is any guide, it will probably get me modded down by the mac zealots for heresy rather than by rational mods for being off-topic.

      I do that kind of comparison for a living and yes the G5 and the P4 can be "100% compared" as well as the Opteron and the Itanium and the PA8800 and the Power5 and the UltraSparc III, etc, etc. Or at least they can all be so compared in the systems in which they are sold - which is all anyone beyond cpu-design academia cares about. So far, it is just Apple's marketing department that can't do an even-handed comparison -- really no big suprise, all marketing departments like to pick and choose their benchmarks (for example Intel loves those encryption benchmarks because Itanium has a tweak to make many encryption algorithms really fly, far beyond the performance increase that any other kind of benchmark will see), the controversy around the G5 seems to be due to Apple being so transparently inept at the game that they really went overboard, almost as if they think their customer base is too ignorant to catch them.

      Once the G5 Macs become readily available just about anyone who wants to will be able to do performance comparisons at both the macro level using synthetic benchmarks like LINPACK and generic application benchmarks like the Spec and TPC suites and at the micro-level with application specific benchmarks where you take the source of the particular application that you care about and compile it yourself (or if you are a commercial customer with the big bucks you get the vendor's pre-sales tech people to compile it with all the right optimizations, maybe even tweaking the code to match cpu characteristics like cache-line size, memory prefetch latency and the number and size of registers (among others) for the areas in which the application experiences bottlenecks).

      The reason such comparisons can be made is that all of these cpus are very close cousins - they are all binary, they all are procedural, they all are deterministic, as well as all supporting the same abstractions like paging and TLBs and memory-mapped I/O and caches and registers and all the other features of a modern cpu architecture, not to mention they all run flavors of unix, they all have C and FORTRAN compilers, they all have tcp/ip stacks and so on and so on.

      Something more like the analogy you are trying to make would be to compare any one of those cpus to a quantum processor or even one of those fantastical sounding chromosomal/biological processor where many of the basic precepts that we take for granted today really are different. Give it another 10 years and people will be trying to make those kinds of comparisons.

      For now though, I think simply saying that when comparing sports tech you have to consider the interaction with the individual human element as much as the specific tech itself is enough to get your point across to even someone as physically inept as myself.

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    12. Re:This is slashdot by Omerna · · Score: 1

      Can't remember who said this, or exact quote, but:

      "Running is the only true sport, everything else is just a game"

      Too true, running is the only sport which measures pure physical ability and will to win, without outside interference (bad calls, home field advantage, etc.)

      You could even go so far as DISTANCE running is the last true sport as even sprinting is affected by speed suits and track material (surface).

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    13. Re:This is slashdot by azpenguin · · Score: 1

      I can see what you're thinking there, but you also gotta realize that no one wins the Tour because of superior equipment. Aside from some brand differences, these guys are all on equal bikes. They're all extremely light, and they've all got the latest components.

    14. Re:This is slashdot by Canis+Lupus · · Score: 1
      I wish i had thousands to spend on a bike. Watching those guys toss those bikes around as they were riding in the tour this morning really wish i had it that easy.


      I'll give you that top of the line bike and buy some POS from walmart and give it to Lance, and laugh me ass off as he proceeded to kick your ass. Hell, he could probably kick my ass dragging a fscking boat anchor!!

      I am no slouch, but I serious doubt that I would do vastly better on that 5000 dollar bike, than I would do an a well tuned 700 dollar bike.
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    15. Re:This is slashdot by TomV · · Score: 1

      Watching those guys toss those bikes around as they were riding in the tour this morning really wish i had it that easy

      Watching those guys toss those bikes around makes me wish i had Lance Armstrong's resting heart rate of 32-34 bpm rather than the adult male average of 70 bpm. Or Miguel Indurain's 30 bpm, 50 litres-per minute peak heart flow rate, 8 litre lung capacity, and ability to get 150bpm up a steep hill and drop it back to 60 bpm within 30 seconds on the descent.

      Once I can get within sight of that, maybe it might be worth worrying about the equipment. As things stand, put Armstrong on a rubbish kid's bike and me on 5 grand's worth of state of the art, and Armstrong will take me to the cleaners every time.

      One of the things I like about Formula 1 is the way that there are strictly speaking two world championships, the Constructor's and the Driver's. It's not unusual for the winning driver to come from an also-ran constructor, particularly if the Driver's Champ drives as a clear number one with a significantly worse team-mate, and the Constructor's champ team runs two equal, reliable cars and gets a lot of points between them. Last year, Schumacher (M) and Ferrari took both titles, this year, as things stand after 10 races, the Driver's seems to be between Schumacher (M) and Kimi Raikonnen of McLaren, though Ralf Schumacher's catching up fast in his Williams, but the Constructor's is between Ferrari and Williams, since McLaren have been having trouble getting both cars into the good points.

      Now, clearly, if one car really is streets ahead of the rest (last year's Ferrari, the 1992 Williams FW14B (swoon!), the 1988 McLaren MP 4/4 in the hands of Senna and Prost), then both titles will go together. But at least in F1, it's possible for a beyond-hope geek to actually see the sport as a form of competitive engineering and project management with some incidental racetrack mayhem to provide the test results. And the ability of these people to achieve constant product improvements, ever-increasing reliability, outrageous crash-safety, better handling, better aerodynamics, lighter components, an easier drive even, would be pretty astonishing even if it weren't on a two-week turnaround cycle throughout the season.

      And to get back to where we started, the F1 drivers tend to be quite sickeningly fit too.

      TomV

    16. Re:This is slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rowed on the crew team in college, another sport where tech dominates. Think carbon fiber out the yinyang.

      It's not "crew team" - that's a redundant phrase. It's "crew" or "rowing" or "rowing team".

      Despite the computer models showing the "perfect" hull shape, different people row better in different shaped boats. It just kind of is.

      There is no "perfect hull shape." Even if all rowers rowed the same, and weighed the same, you have to account for the water conditions, waves, temperature, viscosity, salinity and lots of other factors.

      While materials in top boats are very similar, hull design is very different. Some boats (vespoli) have long stern & bow. Some are short (resolute). There are many types of hull shapes & cross-section. Which is better? Hard to say.

      Myself, I'm a fan of the big yellow empachers with Card Douglas riggers.

      There was a story that Hudson made a copy of empacher's eight for their hull design.

      And yes, I am anal about rowing. :)

    17. Re:This is slashdot by MonkeyDluffy · · Score: 1
      A good example is sailing, where having the best boat can almost decide the competition before it is held.

      Most sailboat races are done as "one-design", where the hull shape and weight is the same, and the sails have to be of certain dimensions, etc. Almost all of the remaining races are done as handicap races, where "faster" boats have to give time to "slower" boats. The handicaps can be computed by either past performance for a given type of boat, or based on a series of measurements of the hull and sail plan.

      -MDL

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  9. Reverse-engineered from UFOs... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...my favourite new tech is 'Turbonium,' like what the New Beetle is made out of. Great stuff.

    1. Re:Reverse-engineered from UFOs... by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      yeah, but you better watch out - I heard they got those old Pinto-style fuel tanks made out of Kaboomite...

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  10. MLB has definetly improved... by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    For proof that technology has had an impact on sports please see any recent article regarding Mark McGuire's performance enhancing supplements or Samy Sosa's performance enhancing bats.

    Sorry for the sarcasm. My favorite piece of technology over the past few years is the yellow virtual 10 down marker on NFL games. The NHL trying to do that with the puck was certainly amusing but in no way does it compare to the value created by that imaginary yellow line during football games.

    1. Re:MLB has definetly improved... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the yellow line to mark where you get a first down in football. It's nice, but I like the instant replay even better. Personally, I think you shouldn't be limited to two challenges, but two failed challenges, though. But I think the instant replay adds something to football, especially if they fix the silly tuck rule for quarterbacks. If you're in the act of tucking the ball back in, and the ball comes lose, then it has to be a fumble, not an incomplete pass.

  11. Technology in sport... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From a fan's perspective:

    MLB: K-Zone - see the balls and strikes clearly.
    MLB: dead-straight camera - judge the strike zone with the naked eye more clearly.
    NFL: overlayed first down marker - see where the ball needs to go clearly.
    Football (soccer if you must): more cameras - a multitude of viewing angles including in goal cameras.
    Cricket: stumpcam - see the ball coming from inside the middle stump.
    Cricket: overlayed stump lines - judge LBW decisions more clearly.
    Cricket: super magnified replays - see and hear close nicks more clearly.
    Formula One: in car cameras - see what the driver sees in real-time.

    But the best sporting technical innovation: scores displayed permanently in the top left corner of your TV picture. We take it for granted nowadays but there was a time that you had to wait for the commentator to tell you what the scoreline was - how annoying was that?

    There are others but these are the ones that most improve my enjoyment of sports.

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    1. Re:Technology in sport... by SedentaryZ · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the advent of instant replay.

      Wow. Am I that old?

    2. Re:Technology in sport... by droleary · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But the best sporting technical innovation: scores displayed permanently in the top left corner of your TV picture. We take it for granted nowadays but there was a time that you had to wait for the commentator to tell you what the scoreline was - how annoying was that?

      If the score is your greatest concern, why not save yourself the boredom of the game and guys standing around for 3 hours scratching themselves and patting each other on their asses; just watch the evening news.

      There are others but these are the ones that most improve my enjoyment of sports.

      You forgot a "watching" in there. I'd much rather be out there doing something myself than sitting on the couch. Spectator sports are pointless as hell if you're a straight man.

    3. Re:Technology in sport... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the straight on camera in baseball, also, because it gives you a better idea of the movement on a pitch. If you're looking at a camera that's in left center, which is the usual spot, the curveballs thrown by a left-handed pitcher will appear to break a lot more than ones thrown by a right-handed pitcher. You get a much better idea of how a pitch moves if you're looking at it straight on than from an angle.

    4. Re:Technology in sport... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is pointless, go kill yourself.

    5. Re:Technology in sport... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      NFL: overlayed first down marker - see where the ball needs to go clearly.
      I wonder if networks had to license the technology from Midway, since it was in the NFL Blitz games about 2 years before it "hit" the NFL.
    6. Re:Technology in sport... by SedentaryZ · · Score: 1

      On the other hand...

      Animated hockey pucks.
      Advertisements overlayed on the playing field.

    7. Re:Technology in sport... by null-sRc · · Score: 1

      just to add..

      nhl - those wonderful colorful streaks the pucks make on tv! :D

      i'm sure glad i can follow the puck now.

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    8. Re:Technology in sport... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You forgot a "watching" in there. I'd much rather be out there doing something myself than sitting on the couch. Spectator sports are pointless as hell if you're a straight man.

      As someone who's played football at (amateur) club level, field hockey and cricket for my school, and lacrosse for my university, as well as other non-contact sports, I am in no way ashamed to admit that I get more pleasure out of watching the world's finest sportsmen and -women perform.

      Why shouldn't I enjoy watching a Michael Owen hattrick, a Steve McNair scramble for a touchdown, a Barry Bonds home run or a Sachin Tendulkar century? Aren't I allowed to marvel at the feats of others that I can only dream of acheiving?

      Pointless as hell if you're a straight man? I don't think so. Are you really suggesting that everyone who's ever watched a sporting event - whether live or on TV - is gay? All those dads who take their kids to baseball games are gay? Every single one of them? Wow.

      If you're right, virtually every single man on this planet is a closet homosexual. And John Rocker was only worried about the ones in New York! How little did he know!

      Wait a minute though. I've just had a thought. Perhaps you're wrong. Perhaps it's you who's unsure about your sexuality. Perhaps you feel uncomfortable about just watching other men compete because you feel left out of the action. Perhaps you're secretly beating yourself up about watching the NFL on Sundays because you wish it was you that was being wrestled by that offensive tackle.

      Why don't you take your "only real men play sports" attitude and shove it. Frankly, the rest of us - straight and gay - can do without your macho bullshit.

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    9. Re:Technology in sport... by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Advertisements overlayed on the playing field.

      This, in my mind, was a truly wonderful idea - it made money for the broadcasters while not impacting the physical venue of the sporting event, many of which are revered structures. It was funny, however, during some initial trials of this technology, to see billboards appear a moment after a cut had been made to the wider stadium view. Once they got the timing down, it looks pretty seamless.

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    10. Re:Technology in sport... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummm... that gayness got killed pretty quickly. you clearly haven't watched hockey in years.

    11. Re:Technology in sport... by droleary · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why shouldn't I enjoy . . .

      No, a better question is why should you enjoy it? What does it matter that millionaires play some silly little game well? Are you completely blind to the way you're manipulated into submissive consumerism by these sports franchises?

      Are you really suggesting that everyone who's ever watched a sporting event - whether live or on TV - is gay?

      That's an interesting way to take things, but it say more about where your thoughts are than what I'm thinking. No, sadly what I'm saying is that pointless sports spectatorship is only "important" in a pointless life. I can at least respect a gay guy (or a woman) for watching sweaty men if that's what gives them a charge. For everyone else, it's really just a way to fill the empty hours of your life.

      Think about it. Why are you wasting your time on baseball (or whatever)? Because someone else told you it mattered? Do you really think it matters more than anything else? Matters more than actually spending time with your family instead of spending time near them watching yet another season of some guys playing with some ball?

      Frankly, the rest of us - straight and gay - can do without your macho bullshit.

      Yes, you'll sure show me! You sit on that couch and drool with authority. My point was never about what is or isn't macho. My point is that you should participate in your life. Sorry if that sort of thinking upsets you and is contrary to the controlled teaching you had previously been exposed to.

    12. Re:Technology in sport... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Matters more than actually spending time with your family instead of spending time near them watching yet another season of some guys playing with some ball?

      Pops didn't pay you enough attention, huh?

    13. Re:Technology in sport... by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      After reading your post I really do believe your reality is more rich and meaningful than the other guys. I mean "participate in life", with a slogan like that how can you be wrong? Hopefully everyone will see how they are wrong and you are right and we can all get on with getting more out of our patehtic existances.

      BTW did I mention you are a fucking loser?

      Did your "controlled teaching" cover that?

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    14. Re:Technology in sport... by G-funk · · Score: 1

      You forgot the snickometer, that's a flamin grouse innovation in cricket

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    15. Re:Technology in sport... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Besides, I think Boy-Named-Sue syndrome sets in for closeted gay athletes, at least in the stereotypically "macho" sports. Fear that they may be perceived as effeminate may well make them hit harder and play with more passion and drive. I dunno, I just don't give a fuck about a person's sexual preference unless I'm hit on by him/her or considering hitting on him/her. Obviously it's worthwhile to know if a person is in your potential dating pool or not. Other than that, why SHOULD I care? I'm not harmed if a gay guy enjoys looking me over in the locker room (though this is unlikely), and I know how to say "no" if he belabors the point. To be marginally on topic... If a "gaydar" device actually existed, I think THAT would be a very bad thing for everyone, in and out of sports.

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    16. Re:Technology in sport... by droleary · · Score: 1

      Pops didn't pay you enough attention, huh?

      That's the funny thing about all this! Everyone who has posted or moderated against me seems to be in love with the illusion that spectator sports are a positive thing. They aren't, and instead create a wall of bogus structure between individuals while at the same time give the rich and powerful a way to keep you in line. Why get mad at me for pointing out that your relationship with your father was probably stunted if it revolved around a lot of meaningless stats of some team's players? I'm not the asshole here; blame the sports franchises. Playing some game well doesn't make any of them a hero, being in your city/state doesn't mean they represent you in any way, and sitting next to someone and mindlessly watching a game doesn't bring you closer to your companions. I'm amazed that some of you people can rail against Microsoft and the RIAA and still not see the ways you are controlled by other organizations.

    17. Re:Technology in sport... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      On the other hand...

      Yeah, and that big fucking ESPN logo blocking the action. In Latin America they even stick a "vivo" below it. Makes watching tennis damn near impossible. The guy on the far end is actually covered up by the logo about a third of the time.

    18. Re:Technology in sport... by Tower · · Score: 1

      >No, sadly what I'm saying is that pointless sports spectatorship is only "important" in a pointless life. I can at least respect a gay guy (or a woman) for watching sweaty men if that's what gives them a charge. For everyone else, it's really just a way to fill the empty hours of your life.

      Just a counterpoint: I actively participate in several sports (summer usually means 3-5 softball gamses a week, frisbee golf, some road/trail biking, and the occasional game of table tennis). Having played baseball competively in high school and college, and enjoying my softball leagues, I still enjoy the time at a baseball game or watching it on tv (usually with my wife, who is also a baseball fan). When you are a participant in a given sport, watching highly talented players playing the game well is really quite a treat. If you don't just sit there and drool, it can be a nice time to talk with a spouse or other family member.

      Why would you go look at nature or visit and art museum? Why would you enjoy that beautiful sunrise or listen to music? There are things that are beyond our personal capabilities that we can appreciate for the talents and work behind them - much enjoyment can be taken from this.

      Sitting by yourself shouting at the game is one thing, but using that time to gather with friends or family *is* enyoing life.

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  12. nada by Zebbers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a wrestler, one of the few sports completely unaffected by any technological advances. Maybe the only advances applicable would be in nutrition and biological things like that, but when your sport has no real equipment, technology means little.

    Really, this is an extremely retarded ask slashdot...what are the answers going to be? My baseball bat is lighter and stronger. Replace baseball bat with golf club, etc. I mean there should be little direct impact of technology on sport, or the sport is sucked out of it. But I suppose we would need to agree on what a sport is for that one...or we run into racecars and other technocentric activities.

    A more realistic question would be how has technology enhanced the training aspect of your sport. That makes sense. Golf swing analysis, hell video tapes are an indispensable tool for team sports.

    Anyways. Worthless ask slashdot question.

    1. Re:nada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to make your baseball bat lighter, take a lesson from Sammy Sosa and fill it with cork. Just don't get caught. =)

    2. Re:nada by fiftyfly · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm a swimmer and I don't have a whole lot of equipment to worry about. Sure, we don't wear your father's speedo but I have to agree most of the tech has improved training and/or the 'field' or, in this case pool.

      Training aids, such as video, have been mentioned and can be invaluable. Certainly not common in my parent's athletic careers. More recent developments, such as tools to measure efficiency are helping us to figure out how, exactly, we do swim. Hard to believe, but it's something we simply don't yet know. In addition to training aids, scholarship and the parent's note of nutrition, recovery & kinesiology there's also been developments in pool construction. Water chemistry, temperature, lane rope & gutter design, floor & wall shapes, starting block design - there's a lot that goes into a world class pool. It could be argued that, with the pool, swimmers may have the largest equipment of all ;).

      In the end, though, well the technical developments are significant, the sport still comes down to getting to the wall first. I think I'd find it difficult to be, say, a cyclist or to spend much of my life with a javelin knowing that owning the right equipment is half the battle...

      Some gratuitous linkage

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    3. Re:nada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't a troll, looks like some of the mods were JOCKS in high school. I have to agree with Zebbers. If you put all these kids today with their "high-tech" sports up against good "old skool" atheletes, they would get their asses handed to them. Making the athletes job easier just makes them slack more.

    4. Re:nada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      swimming is for FAGS with AIDS. just ask that greg louganis guy.

    5. Re:nada by demonbug · · Score: 1
      Water chemistry, temperature, lane rope & gutter design, floor & wall shapes, starting block design - there's a lot that goes into a world class pool. It could be argued that, with the pool, swimmers may have the largest equipment of all ;).


      Ever look at how much goes into the turf, natural or artificial, for football/soccer/baseball/ name your favourite field sport? There is a lot of technology going into making the surface as smooth and even as possible (there is absolutely nothing in the world like playing soccer on a field with natural turf that hs not a single bump in it - passes go where they should, balls bounce as you expect, etc. I hate astroturf though). So yeah, a pool is a big piece of equipment, but a soccer field is much bigger:)

      I think this is a case where technology has really benefitted sports, where it is not the personal equipment that is being improved but the entire playing experience. A smoother, better cared for soccer pitch means a better game of soccer, with fewer rolled ankles and more precise passing than you can ever hope to find on a poorly built field.

    6. Re:nada by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      I'm a wrestler, one of the few sports completely unaffected by any technological advances.
      How about Spandex????
    7. Re:nada by braindead · · Score: 1
      I agree with you that some of the most wide-reaching improvements have been in training. And my favorite, by far, has been videofinish. It lets you superimpose two videos *without requiring any special camera*. So you can compare yourself against your performance from yesterday, or against a champion.

      Let me say that again: you don't need anything special (ok, a computer). You film the champion skiing down the slope (or grab the TV feed), then film yourself from the same place -- but you don't have to have the same camera movements. Then you use videofinish and magically you end up with a tape that compares you with the champion!

      There is a demo online, as well as videos.

  13. This device has proven invaluable. by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    My enjoyment of sports would be nigh impossible without this bad boy.

  14. Skiing by Rob.Mathers · · Score: 4, Informative

    Parabolic (shaped) skiis are a great example of technology in sports. It's not uber-high-tech, but it's made a world of difference. Ski lengths have plummetted, along with turning radii, and it's far easier for beginners to progress from snowplow to parallel and carved turns.

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    1. Re:Skiing by bjtuna · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. I went to ski academy (SMS in Vermont) and raced for 6 years. On straight skis, much of your energy is spent pressurizing the downhill ski to perform the carved turn. On parabolics, you just don't have to work as hard to carve a turn.

      The downside is that race courses have changed too. GS and SG courses are now turnier and tighter. And because parabolics let you carve a turn even while your body does all the wrong things, my guess is that young racers find themselves crashing on fallaway turns as they lean into the hill (on a straight ski, leaning into the hill would mean your ski won't turn; on parabolics you can turn anyways).

  15. ObQuake by worst_name_ever · · Score: 2, Funny
    How have advances in sports technology enhanced your own performance and enjoyment of sport?

    One word: aimbots. mcb

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  16. yeah by Thrower1141 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    bike-wise, Titus' Exogrid(?) is pretty cool. Its a titanium grid in the carbon fiber weave. Colnago still continues to blow me away with thier vast experience with carbon fiber (could some of that possibly be coming from thier partnership with Ferrari?) Thiers most certainly doesnt have the dead, woodlike feel of Trek's OCLV. Shimano's new Saint freeride gruppo looks very promising and hopefully will incoperate even more upgrades than the '03 XTR. Also the widespread use of Ti and its associated technologies is pretty sick. Since I also throw discus, carbon fiber side panels, exceedingly fast rotating discs, and shoes that you can spin forever on

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  17. Materials in Sports by dhovis · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are a lot of ethical questions involved here. Improving materials in sports have lead to big improvements in some sports. Take polevaulting. If you plot the polevault world record versus year for the 20th century, you will see significant jumps as the athletes switched from hardwood to bamboo to fiberglass to carbon fiber. Concequently, you can't compare records from different eras.

    Golf in another sport where this has become a problem. The advances in golf clubs have made it difficult for the courses to keep up. The USGA has finally had to set limits on the properties of golf clubs for official play because the alternative (making the courses longer) is very difficult and expensive.

    College baseball is another one. They have had to slap limits on the properties of aluminum baseball bats because they were starting to affect the game too much. There are now rules governing how much rebound is allowed from a bat. Note that major league baseball doesn't have this problem because they still use wooden bats.

    I am a materials scientist, and I'm always amazed how every new material immediately gets made into golf clubs. Titanium, Beryllium-Copper, Cermets, Amorphous metals. Each has been made into golf clubs.

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    1. Re:Materials in Sports by David+Hume · · Score: 1

      Beyond materials in sports, consider engineering. Im thinking of mountain climbing in particular. There are all sorts of climbing gadgets that didnt exist even 25 years ago. It is to the point where some complain that Mt. Everest has become a tourist destination for the rich.

    2. Re:Materials in Sports by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      I've heard stories of manufacturers (of things other than golf clubs) being unable to buy some particular Unobtainium of the day on the commodities market, and had to fill their needs by buying clubheads, which they then melted down.

      I don't think it's so bad if today's Unobtainium ends up in golf clubs -- they can be recycled when a newer, better material comes out. But putting it in golf BALLS means it's probably gone for good... at least with how many *I* get wet.

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    3. Re:Materials in Sports by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      College baseball is another one. They have had to slap limits on the properties of aluminum baseball bats because they were starting to affect the game too much. There are now rules governing how much rebound is allowed from a bat. Note that major league baseball doesn't have this problem because they still use wooden bats.

      I think what will happen is that within 15 years we will see the emergence of baseball bats made out of composite materials (carbon fiber, epoxy resin, etc.) that will be standardized by both the NCAA, Major League Baseball and the minor leagues. There are two reasons for this: 1) unlike wooden bats, composite-material bats are far less likely to break and 2) composite-material bats can be made to have the same level of "bounce" as wooden bats.

    4. Re:Materials in Sports by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      College (and High School baseball in some litigation prone environments) bat regulations are more of a result of pitchers and infielders getting killed or brain-damaged when the hitter makes contact.

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  18. just a note... by ceced · · Score: 1

    it's the 100th year of tour de france not 90th

    1. Re:just a note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      already covered, 90th running of the event, 100th anniversary (think outside the box on this one)

    2. Re:just a note... by crazney · · Score: 1

      100th year, 90th Tour de France. they paused for a little while for WW 1 and 2.

      So you are both correct.

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    3. Re:just a note... by sejant · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is the 91st tour, but the 100th anniversary of the first ome.

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    4. Re:just a note... by sejant · · Score: 1

      ..er that's right, the 90th (not 91)

      I guess there are three kinds of people in the world -- those who can count and those who can't

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    5. Re:just a note... by sessamoid · · Score: 1
      100th year, 90th Tour de France. they paused for a little while for WW 1 and 2.

      And Jacques Anquetil took off three years to fight, then came back to win more Tours. It's widely regarded that had not the World War so rudely interrupted, Anquetil would have been the all-time leader by far with eight Tour wins.

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    6. Re:just a note... by kvigor · · Score: 1
      And Jacques Anquetil took off three years to fight, then came back to win more Tours. It's widely regarded that had not the World War so rudely interrupted, Anquetil would have been the all-time leader by far with eight Tour wins.


      Really? The same Jaques Anquetil who didn't start racing until 1953?
  19. Questec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably the worst thing in sports technology is Questec. For those who don't know, it's a system in baseball to decide if a pitch is a ball or strike. It's installed in ten of 32 parks, and umpires who don't agree with the machine at least 90% of the time are considered bad umpires.

    The problems with these cameras are that they don't have depth perception. It doesn't catch the late break on a pitch, which may affect if curveballs are called properly. Second, the umpires have a lot of experience in baseball. Yet the ads for the people to run the machines don't require knowledge of baseball. And someone who doesn't necessarily know about baseball tells the computer what the strike zone is for a particular hitter. Not only is this subjective, but the decision is made by someone who may not have a clue about baseball. I trust the umpires.

    Lastly, hitters mostly want the strike zone to be reasonably fair and consistent. That's all the pitchers want, either. If a pitch on the outside corner is consistently a strike, but a pitch on the inside corner is consistently a ball, nobody's going to care. As long as you don't call both corners and the strike zone isn't tiny, neither hitters nor pitchers will have a problem with the strike zone. As it is, nobody except the management - not hitters, not pitchers, and not umpires - likes the Questec system.

    It's a neat idea to use technology to improve baseball. But for now, it has to go.

  20. What kind of freaky Japanese tech powers this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. oops by Thrower1141 · · Score: 1

    I forgot about the Fox TALAS shocks, and Specialized's Epic (simply amazing), and the return of steel frames. some of them are approaching the weight of Al frames at a much lower cost.

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  22. Cross Country skiing by ptomblin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I started racing soon after fibreglass skis were turning the race world upside down. Winning times had been pretty steady for decades, and suddenly in the first Olympics where fibreglass skis appeared, times went down by 10%. In the course of a few years, we went to aluminum poles to fibreglass to carbon fibre. Skis also started using carbon fibres and other advanced composites. The technology war got so bad that they had to limit the minimum width of skis to stop people trying to come up with stronger materials to get away with narrower skis.

    Meanwhile, the biggest change came about with plastic soled ski boots. The Salomon Nordic System boot/binding system turned the world upside down. These boots gave you so much control over your skis that skiers invented a "skating" technique. This technique is much, much faster than the old classic technique, and lead to further technological changes in the construction of skis, poles, and boots. Unfortunately, the skating technique is also murder on my knees, and so I had to quit skiing.

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    1. Re:Cross Country skiing by blowhole · · Score: 1
      >I started racing soon after fibreglass skis were turning the race world upside down

      >The Salomon Nordic System boot/binding system turned the world upside down

      So is the world now right side up then? =P
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    2. Re:Cross Country skiing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unfortunately, the skating technique is also murder on my knees, and so I had to quit skiing.

      Uh, you know, unless you're doing this competitively you don't have to quit, you can just use the old technique.

  23. Olympic Swimming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Didn't most swimmers in the last summer olympics use full body swimsuits which helped them slip though the water faster? I believe they were modeled from shark skin. The shark's skin is rough, not smooth. Almost like a fine grit sand paper. If I remember correctly, this combination of micro bumps and holes made it so that the water would flow by the swimmer and only touch the bumps, thus creating less surface area which "touched" the water.

    Anyone else recall how exactally this worked?

    And, it wasn't just one country using these suits, Nike offered them to any athlete who wanted one.

    And lastly, as the Tour de France begins... GO LANCE!!!!

    1. Re:Olympic Swimming by xeo_at_thermopylae · · Score: 1

      They work by trapping a layer of air between the suit and the skin and increasing buoyancy. Swimmers who don't use the suits are penalized slightly, so eventually (the manufacturers hope) all swimmers will use the suits and increase revenues accordingly. The amount of material in the full body suits is several times that of the Speedo(tm), so costs and price rise accordingly.

    2. Re:Olympic Swimming by rbbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the shark thing is the same as golf balls.
      In a certain Reynolds number regime (function of viscosity and velocity) the turbulent parasitic drag is less than that of the laminar parasitic drag. Therefore in certain cases it pays to make the flow around the skin of the object rough as this will trip the flow into a turbulent regime.
      A turbulent regime has the added advantage of making the flow cling closer to the geometry of the object and thus additionally reducing the pressure drag on the object (the main component of the drag).
      For the full gory details, see pages 9 and 17 of the following:
      http://rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu/~sami my/courses/M E%20504%20Lecture%20Notes%20-%20Lecture%2011.pdf

      As a side note, the guys doing the Tour de France are some of the most amazing atheletes in the world and no amount of talking up their technology can take away from this fact. The distances they cover over and over again day after day is a feat of human endurance and has very little to do with materials or engineering.

  24. Re:Good going, shitface by ramdac · · Score: 1

    Sure, How about this? :)

    Here's a better link To the story.

  25. speedskating by jas79 · · Score: 1

    I don't do it myself, but the technology is intressting?

    Like the klap skate or areodynamic strips they put on the suits.

  26. Steel is back! by glazed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've ridden aluminum, carbon fiber, titanium and steel bikes from the 70s, 80s and 90s. I most recently bought a frame built from Reynolds steel - it's light and lively. All the prior bikes were good in some respects and aluminum will remain a favorite of mine, but the latest steel is an AMAZING material when done well.

    Now is this improvement in frame design, metallurgy??

    1. Re:Steel is back! by gnarled · · Score: 1

      I have seen many comments about how steel frames on bikes are "light and lively" and as an outsider to the biking world. I am honestly wondering what does lively mean in terms of a bike frame?

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    2. Re:Steel is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you and your 'liveliness'! You sound like the snobs who say vinyl sounds 'warmer'.

    3. Re:Steel is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have the energy to direct you to where you need to go, but filter this story on +3 and you will learn what you seek.
      Regards

  27. Trading Up by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like others, I have traded up from heavy steel to aluminum, and now carbon fiber, ending up with a bike far better than its rider.

    I wouldn't call that trading up in all instances. I have both aluminum and steel frame bicycles, and while my aluminum frames are a few pounds lighter, that's not my only consideration. Steel is generally much more comfortable (especially on crappy roads with three-inch-wide cracks, like around here). This is because it is more flexible and absorbs the jolts better than aluminum - although, it also absorbs a small amount of the energy you put into each pedal stroke too.

    Steel frames are a lot more durable too - your steel bike will probably be in better shape after a minor wreck than an alluminum frame. For that matter, I've seen aluminum forks bend while mounted in a car or truck because of potholes in the road, etc. It's not common, but it happens more frequently than people would like.

    Unless you're racing or doing time trials, the small weight difference will not be a big factor. I've toured 100 miles on steel and aluminum without noticing the difference in weight.

    Bottom line: "newer" technology is not always better. It's all about the circumstances in which it will be used. Get that carbon fiber frame if you've got the money to blow and you want to shave those extra grams off for your next big race. Otherwise, don't worry too much if the bike you've got your heart set on is steel, or aluminum, or even cast iron. :) Get what's comfortable and what suits your style of cycling.

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    1. Re:Trading Up by konmem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Steel is generally much more comfortable (especially on crappy roads with three-inch-wide cracks, like around here). This is because it is more flexible and absorbs the jolts better than aluminum - although, it also absorbs a small amount of the energy you put into each pedal stroke too.

      This is a very big consideration -- I've primarily ridden 3 road bikes -- my dad's old steel frame, a newer, stiffer alchemy (heavier aluminuim frame), and now a spanking new Giant TCR2 (alloy frame w/ carbon forks and seatpost). The difference between all three bikes is astounding -- It is true that the steel frame was a very comfortable ride, but it was absolutely hellish on hills because of the geometry and the power that the frame absorbed. My new bike combines the best of both worlds IMHO -- the carbon is in the forks and seatpost -- i.e. making the ride significantly smoother, yet the alloy frame is lighter and stonger than the aluminium, meaning more energy reaches the road.

      Steel frames are a lot more durable too - your steel bike will probably be in better shape after a minor wreck than an alluminum frame.

      From what I understand, aluminium is also more suceptible to cracks etc, since it tends to just snap rather than bending like steel.

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    2. Re:Trading Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your aluminum frames are nowhere near 'a few pounds' lighter.

      The lightest aluminum frame is about 700 grams (1.5 pounds) lighter than the heaviest steel frame you can get for the same kind of money. You'll never save more than that with aluminium.

    3. Re:Trading Up by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Steel frames are a lot more durable too - your steel bike will probably be in better shape after a minor wreck than an alluminum frame. For that matter, I've seen aluminum forks bend while mounted in a car or truck because of potholes in the road, etc. It's not common, but it happens more frequently than people would like.

      I talked with the guy from Cervelo who made my bike and according to them the durability for Al and steel frames is pretty much the same.

      The only difference seems to be that once Al goes, it goes there is no slow "cracking" like you have in steel frames.

      Having said that: the ride on my Al bike is a lot more comfortable than on my old steel bike.

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  28. Now that I have Nike RocketAirs... by The+Panther! · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it no longer fazes me when I see 7' goliaths on the basketball court. I just lace them up, ignite the rocket packs embedded in the soles, and dunk all over my meager competition. From 4'6" to 25' in 2.2 seconds, as the ads say.

    And it helps to use the RimPop Magneto Homing Ball, too, because at 60mph it's hard to actually make a clean shot.

    Heh. Last time I did anything sporting-like was fighting over the last Athlon XP2000+ at Fry's.

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    1. Re:Now that I have Nike RocketAirs... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      ...it no longer fazes me when I see 7' goliaths on the basketball court. I just lace them up, ignite the rocket packs embedded in the soles, and dunk all over my meager competition.
      - sigh - what ever happenned to good old flubber...
  29. Most important sports technology by anotherdotter · · Score: 1

    The yellow first-down marker has revolutionized my Sunday sports.

  30. Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the people here can't even handle sports video games, let alone any sort of activity. I guess if they improved football so it could be played easily with a 20oz of Mountain Dew in one hand and a rapidly congealing breakfast burrito in the other there might be more interest.

  31. What about statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A good friend of mine wrote some software for the palm and ppc that analyzes tennis matches, tennischarter.com.

    10 years ago if you wanted detailed analysis of stats you would have to lug a laptop out to the court, or tape the match and enter the data into a desktop machine, but thanks to the new high powered pda, mobile devices, and even cellphones(!) this can be done with a $89 mobile device!

    Sticking with tennis, ESPN has a feature called "ShotSpot" that can pinpoint the location of a tennis ball on a court to within 1mm.

    They use this to show if balls that were very close, were actually in or out. Also, because it can track the location of the ball in 3D, in real time, they can do all kinds of cool "fly-by" type 3D simulations, showing stuff like the different trajectories of a first and second serve, or showing how much a slice serve is curving, or how much a kick serve is jumping when it hits the court.

    Very cool technology!

    1. Re:What about statistics? by BabyDave · · Score: 1
      Sticking with tennis, ESPN has a feature called "ShotSpot" that can pinpoint the location of a tennis ball on a court to within 1mm.

      Is this the same system as the 'Hawkeye' system used at Wimbledon this year, or is it different? If the latter, what are the relative (dis)advantages of each system?

    2. Re:What about statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm not sure what the "Hawkeye" system is really, so I can't totally respond.

      The Shot Spot works in the same way (kinda) as the technology that puts the yellow markets on the screen for first downs in foot ball.

      There are 4 cameras that are positioned in different locations to see the entire court.

      So long as 3 of the 4 cameras can see the ball at any one moment, it is possible to triangulate the exact position of the tennis ball in 3D.

      ESPN (a sports network in the US, just incase you don't get it), uses it to replay the bounce of a ball, using a CG version of the ball to show if it was in or out. Aside from that, every now and then the commentators will say "As you can see, the second serve of Roddick starts off at the same point, but it lands shorter in the box and kicks up much higher", and as they are talking you are seeing a 3D, CG video of 2 balls moving from the service location, into the return box, bouncing etc, and the camera can pan around and move and stuff.

      It's really very neat!

      The Umpire of course can not use this information to overrule calls.

    3. Re:What about statistics? by cmay · · Score: 1

      From another post I saw about "Hawk Eye" I am sure that it is the same thing as "Shot Spot", just different names.

  32. Tennis! by 3liz3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The advances in technology that have led to the installation of sensors on the courts (?) that can immediately indicate if a ball is IN or OUT and thus provide the backup to a judge's call OR the successful and irrefutable challenge to the same has been terrific.

    The same technology can be used to show where a majority of a player's first serves are landing, second serves, returns, etc. and thus make for more interesting and informative sports commentary.

    I first saw this at work at the Queen's Club (the precursor to Wimbledon in London -- on grass). Of course another technology that's been around a bit longer enables the ability to see that Andy Roddick's serve was at 149 mph. Many also agree that the development (technological advance) of raquets is what enables Andy and others (to some degree) to be such power hitters. No doubt, tennis is the most muscular it's ever been.

    1. Re:Tennis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey,

      Glad to see other posts about tennis, but you are wrong on many points.

      There are only a few courts in the world that have "sensors", and all they are, are lazers that are shot across the service line, to try to determine if a server was long or not. These have been around for a LONG time, probably more than 10 years.

      I don't think this is what you are talking about, because it can't tell anything about where the ball is. It just knows if something is blocking its singal. Birds will land on the court and set it off.

      If you are referring to the "shot spot" technology that ESPN has, (see my post right before this one in the thread, it might be at a 0 score) then you are very incorrect to state that it can be used to challenge a call.

      The only time a call can be challenged is if the players are playing on clay. If so, they can make the umpire get out of his chair and check the mark that the ball makes when it hits the clay.

      In addition, the player must stop play right away, if they want to challenge a call, so even if a serve was really out, if the guy plays the return and keeps playing the point, then he can not ask for the umpire to look at the mark.

    2. Re:Tennis! by 3liz3 · · Score: 1
      Hey yourself, ...

      Check this out:
      • With a network of five cameras on each court, linked into complex computer technology used to analyse the movement and behaviour of the ball, Hawk-Eye will allow the BBC's commentary team to replay shots through 360 degrees, examine players' choice of shot selection and
      • look at contentious line calls.
      Hawk-Eye has been at the vanguard of TV sports technology. Originally designed as a method of judging contentious lbw decisions in cricket, it has been adopted by the BBC for coverage of the world's biggest tennis event. It lends more firepower to the armoury of commentators and viewers alike, granting them more detailed statistics, tracking the power and accuracy of every serve, volley and lob that takes place.

      Here's the story on it and here's a link to more about the the Hawk-Eye tennis system.
      • From 2nd link: Hawk-Eye uses dedicated cameras to track the players and ball with high accuracy. Principally, this is used to provide the conclusive answer to whether a ball was in or out. Hawk-Eye takes the skid and compression of the ball into account and can achieve accuracies of up to 2-3 mm. As well as resolving the controversial incidents, Hawk-Eye also brings a new range of statistics which have never previously been available. These help to analyse the strengths & weaknesses of each player and provide a fresh insight into the game.
      I saw this at work during the Queens Club tourney (sponsored by Stella Artois) in London and while I don't recall a call being overturned *because* of this system I DO RECALL line judges looking up to the folks in the boxes (who had the benefit of the info provided c/o Hawk-Eye) to affirm that a call was correct or not.
    3. Re:Tennis! by cmay · · Score: 1

      "Hawk Eye" sounds like the exact same thing as "Shot Spot", it has to be the exact same technology, licensed to different companies (ESPN and BBC) and then named by each of them differently. "while I don't recall a call being overturned *because* of this system" As a matter of the rules of tennis on the ATP and WTA tours, this can simply never happen. Even if Boris Becker (who I believe was doing commentary for the BBC) were to yell down to the umpire the shot sport showed the ball in/out, the umpire can NOT overrule based on this kind of "replay" technology, it can only be used for the purpose of making a better viewing experience for the viewers. "I DO RECALL line judges looking up to the folks in the boxes (who had the benefit of the info provided c/o Hawk-Eye) to affirm that a call was correct or not." I can't say that this *didn't* happen, because I wasn't there to see what you saw in person, but in all the tennis I have ever watched (I played juniors, college, and some pro qualifiers) and all the tennis I have ever watched, TiVo records anything with "Tennis" :), I have never seen an umpire, or a lines person, look up for confirmation on a call. When a linesman calls a ball out, he/she is suppose to be certain that it was out, and if the ump overrules, it is supposed to only be in cases of a "clear mistake". If they were to then, after making a call, lookup to someone in one of the boxes to get a confirmation of their call, it would show that they arn't sure of themselves. Even if they were told by their friends in the boxes were to tell them that they were wrong, there is nothing they could do about it anyway, it would just make them look dumb to be looking for a confirmation of their call, when there is no possible outcome that would warrent them doing so. Were there people in the boxes giving the linesmen thumbs-up thumbs-down signals or what? In the end, I think we are probably talking about the same system.

    4. Re:Tennis! by cc_pirate · · Score: 1

      I agree Tennis, but the killer technology in tennis has been the change from wooden racquets to aluminum and magnesium then to carbon-composite racquets.

      The new racquets make the game so much easier. Most of the new racquets have a sweet spot that is only slightly smaller than the string bed, not so the old wooden ones, which actually had a SPOT (i.e. was very small).

      I still remember my very first graphite racquet. It was actually a ceramic-graphite composite Kniessel Star. Very rare.

      Without the material advances that have given us these magic new tennis racquets, tennis would still be pretty lame. We certainly wouldn't be watching Roddick hitting 136mph serves.

      As a materials scientist, I will now take a bow... :)

      --

      "There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur

  33. it helps in weight lifting... by Victor+Danilchenko · · Score: 1

    I get to think about the cool games on my computer when benching a good old-fashined barbell. Used to be that I had to think about something low-tech...

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    --
    Victor Danilchenko

  34. Sports Tech..... by Blastus · · Score: 1

    Anytime you can take a V-10 engine and turn it at 13,000 rpm, that's technology. So much so that the connecting rods (pistons for the computer geeks) actually strech and that has to be accounted for. Take a V-8 engine and make it produce 7,000 horsepower and go 300 mph in 4 seconds, thats technology. From Lance Armstrongs newest concept bike he will race to Top Fuel Drag Racing, it's all impressive.

    --
    Good Grief. - Charles Brown
    1. Re:Sports Tech..... by karit · · Score: 1

      Well Formula 1 teams are hoping to hit 19000rpm with their 3L V10 this year. These engines will not go much faster than 20000rpm becasue the pistons will start going supersonic!!

      --
      http://blog.karit.geek.nz/
    2. Re:Sports Tech..... by palndrumm · · Score: 1

      13,000 rpm? The BMW V10 in the Williams F1 car goes above 19,000 rpm...

    3. Re:Sports Tech..... by Blastus · · Score: 1

      I thought 19,000 was a goal not yet achieved. I apologize if I'm not up to speed. Is that a pun? Either way It's all impressive as can be. Top Fuel Funny Cars can't be put on a dyno because there isn't one that can measure that kind of horsepower.

      --
      Good Grief. - Charles Brown
    4. Re:Sports Tech..... by palndrumm · · Score: 1

      I thought 19,000 was a goal not yet achieved.

      Nope, Juan Pablo Montoya hit it during qualifying for the Italian Grand Prix at Monza last year. I'm reasonably sure that since then they've reached 19,000 regularly during races...

  35. Hockey by path_man · · Score: 1

    ...with the "glowing puck" is a great improvement for me. I'm a casual hockey fan and as such, I need the assistance in order to follow the play as easily. However, I'm sure that hard-core hockey fans will curse me (and the technology) and its very existance.

    This is a case where MORE technology, i.e. the ability to enable/disable this feature of the broadcast would be a nice thing to offer. Would I pay a subscription service for this alone? No. But if the technology were included in a satellite package versus one which didn't offer the feature, I'd likely pay a little bit extra just to get the option.

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    The surest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin & Hobbes
  36. The Firebolt of course. by mikeophile · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Nimbus 2000 and the Nimbus 2001 brooms were good in their day, but for real competitive edge, the Firebolt is the best.

  37. My bikes have been far better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...than their riders since they had playing cards stuck in the spokes for effect. Moving from a chrome-moly frame to carbon composite merely increases the gap in my case.

  38. Technical Specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The Firebolt

    This state-of-the-art racing broom sports a streamlined, super-fine handle of ash, treated with a diamond-hard polish and hand-numbered with its own registration number. Each individually selected birch twig in the broomtail has been honed to aerodynamic perfection, giving the Firebolt unsurpassable balance and pinpoint precision. The Firebolt has an acceleration of 0-150 miles an hour in ten seconds and incorporates an unbreakable braking charm.

  39. Depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is sex considered a sport?

    1. Re:Depends... by dr_yuhwei · · Score: 1

      also depends if it's with another person

    2. Re:Depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're wearing Depends, I think that puts it more into the fetish catagory, wheather you're with another person or not.

  40. Judo.... Sports medicine by Coram · · Score: 1

    I play a lot of judo, a sport where technology doesn't directly have a lot of impact. At the end of the day it's still two people in a judogi on some mats. Over the years the mats have improved, but the judogis are more or less the same.

    One area which has caused impact across all sports is the improvements in sports medicine. The know-how and technology has vastly improved over the years, most likely (imho) due to the commercialisation of sporting in general. Athletes can now come back faster from an injury than, say, 20 years ago.

    --
    I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster, get yo own goddamned money!
  41. Little *real* change by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except for materials and gears, mainstream bikes have truly changed little in the last 100 years.

    The same basic diamond frame, same chain drive. And that is not a bad thing. THe chain drive on a bike is about the most efficient power transfer device ever designed. Many alternatives have been tried, and we keep coming back to the chain. The riding position closely simulates a walking/running movement. Optimized over several million years.

    Go to the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB and look at Orville's bike. No real difference between that and a new bike. Same basic riding position.
    Lance could hop on that bike, and trash just about any rider, on any new bike around.

    Except for recumbents, there's been little real change. And even there, the riding position/movement is the same, just rotated ~90 degrees. Possibly better aerodynamics, though.

    It's not the bike.
    - Lance Armstrong

    It doesn't get easier, you just go faster.
    - Greg LeMond

    Shut up and ride.
    -Anon

    1. Re:Little *real* change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but your "little" changes can make an enormous difference.

      Case in point; all recent and future world hour records have to done on a bike approximating what Eddie Merckx rode in his 1972 record. The aero bikes that Chris Boardman and others started to ride were deemed to confer an "unfair" advantage

    2. Re:Little *real* change by Thrower1141 · · Score: 1

      wasnt chris boardman the guy who built his own frames that put him practically over the bars?

      --
      ---how do you like them f--kin' apples - Lance Armstrong
    3. Re:Little *real* change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes http://www.fatnick.com/cbhour.htm

    4. Re:Little *real* change by jnik · · Score: 1
      Except for materials and gears, mainstream bikes have truly changed little in the last 100 years.
      Yeah, but "mainstream" is what people tool around on for a couple of miles on a weekend. They aren't going to feel changes much. On the far end, of course, you have the maniac racers, where the tech keeps going and going....

      Commuting bikes, though, have gone through a lot. The materials advancements that you mentioned (I never want to go back to steel), cantilever braking, next-gen battery tech for lighting...and of course, the development of the hybrid bicycle. It's all "incremental" in some sense, but I don't want to get around town on Orville's bike! (Nor would I want to be involved in an accident wearing Orville's helmet...advances in helmet tech in just five years have been amazing.)

    5. Re:Little *real* change by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      "It's not about the bike"

      Yes, Chris's Superman bike was banned by the UCI for the same reasons recumbents were banned in the 30's. Aerodynamics.

      All those little changes only help riders such as Lance or Chris, beat other riders of the same caliber. The real change has been in sports physiology, diet, conditioning.

      Put Major Taylor, the top racer at the turn of the century (and the best Black bike racer ever), on any new racing bike. Put Lance on any racing bike built in the last 40 years. With relevant gearing, Lance will smoke him. Conditioning, diet, physiology.

      Same with running. You can't tell me that records are being broken because of better shoes.

    6. Re:Little *real* change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, can't agree with you. Today, the potentially "best" athletes in any given sport are MORE LIKELY to be actually participating in that sport (due to accessibility and financial incentives).

      Think of it this way - How many guys 10 times better than Major Taylor just never competitively went cycling because the obstacles (like racism) were simply too great?

    7. Re:Little *real* change by really? · · Score: 1

      Same with running. You can't tell me that records are being broken because of better shoes.

      Err ... perhaps not only because of shoes. Look at the research done in the area of running shoe tech at University of Calgary. WOW!

      --

      "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." A. Huxley
    8. Re:Little *real* change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's also not forget how much the TRACK has changed also. Technology, again.

      Trust me, these are the good old days, and getting better all the time.

    9. Re:Little *real* change by pthisis · · Score: 1

      Put Major Taylor, the top racer at the turn of the century (and the best Black bike racer ever), on any new racing bike. Put Lance on any racing bike built in the last 40 years.

      Nit: Lance Armstrong was the top racer at the turn of the century. ;-)

      Same with running. You can't tell me that records are being broken because of better shoes.

      Why not? Steve Prefontaine's coach designed special shoes for him to run in, and he did pretty well. The coach went on to found quite a successful shoe company called Nike, and designed advanced all-weather track surfaces.

      The athletes are great, but at the levels they're running at the tiny differences in equipment _can_ be the difference in breaking records.

      Sumner

      --
      rage, rage against the dying of the light
  42. So technology hasn't had an affected wrestling, eh by stomv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I disagree.

    Footware has gotten better.
    The mats don't burn as easily as they used to.
    Oh yeah -- don't forget the improvements that have been made in diet, training, and physique improvement.

    And, there has been improvements in both things like this and this.

    Sure, the equipment hasn't changed much... but technology has altered the preperation for competition in every sport. Cameras. Nutrition. Fitness. Just to name a few.

  43. Forgot the Italians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, "Troll", like it's some kind of big secret that the french and italians love to pump up meds to increase red bloodcell counts/oxygen uptake, and then pump up on more meds to hide the fact.

    The truth hurts, eh? Corrupt bastards.

  44. metallurgy for cyclists by alphamale · · Score: 2, Informative

    Once upon a time, Scot Nicol of Ibis Cycles wrote "Metallurgy for Cyclists," an article about different frame materials for bicycles. Out of date by now, but still an informative.

    (Google search result used because none of the servers it's on looks able to sustain much traffic.)

  45. The technology that puts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...the tiny bubbles in beer has enhanced my enjoyment of sports the most.

    1. Re:The technology that puts... by pthisis · · Score: 1

      ...the tiny bubbles in beer has enhanced my enjoyment of sports the most.
      That's nitrogen push technology, used in most pub ales and cream stouts (Caffrey's, Guiness, Murphy's, Old Speckled Hen, etc). Other beers use carbon dioxide, which gives substantially larger bubbles.

      Recently the draught bottle has allowed Guiness to sell bottled draught rather than the very dissimilar bottled Extra Stout.

      Sumner

      --
      rage, rage against the dying of the light
  46. Better frame rate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my chosen sport of CounterStrike (a Half-Life mod) technology has improved my frame rate and ultimately my enjoyment of this game.

    And technology keeps improving while at the same time becomes more affordable.

    All the running around I did in this morning's 2 hours session has made me tired. I think I better lie down.

  47. Fencing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In my sport, fencing, technology has beed both good and bad. Most comptitive fencing is done today with electrical equipment. You wear a electicly conductive jacket and when a weapon make a valid contact a light and buzzer go off. You are connected to the scoring machine by means of wire conncted to a reel at the back of the piste.

    We are only just now getting wireless scoring that elimiates the reel and wire. (thank goodness)

    The problems come in that electical scoring can take place so quickly that the rules of right-of-way which, in short, state that you must defend agaist an attack beofor starting one of your own get thrown right out the window and fencing is reduces to a contest to see who can land a touch first no matter what the rules say.

    When you fence dry (without electric equipment) the right-of-way rules are much more likely to be observed due to teh fact that you have 5 judges rather than just one.

  48. Paralympians by not-quite-rite · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everyone here seems to be talking about the able bodied sports.

    I am involved with prosthetics and orthotics, and technology plays a huge part in the paralympics.

    Look at carbon fibre legs. The fastest paralympian is Marlon Shirley who can do the 100m in 11.09 seconds.

    But this tech is also used in able bodied athletes. Take for example that carbon fibre plates are used inside runners shoes to act as energy storage devices and allow the runner to be more efficient than his body would be without the shoes.

  49. Talking about Road Bikes... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

    The first Tour-de-France was completed on bikes that weighed 40 lbs, obviuosly unsuited for the grueling mountain stages. They were bikes that people used to go pick up baguette, but that didn't stop some determined gentlemen from going 2,000 miles on rickety steel monstrosities. They had rust problems, and prizes were non-existant.

    1. Re:Talking about Road Bikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The improvement from a 185 lb bike-rider combination (then) to a 165 lb bike-rider combination (today) is a whole 12 PERCENT. The improvement from the 18 lb bikes used in the early 80's (this is what my 1983 true-temper racing frame equipped with durable - not stupid-light - Mavic and Campy components weighs) to the 14-17 lb bikes used today is AT MOST 30% for the bike alone and AT MOST 3% assuming a 145 lb rider.

      And since above 20 mph the VAST majority of a rider's poser is used to fight wind resistance, even that 3% difference is negligable.

      Given the engineering talent and time thrown at the problem, one must conclude: (a) That bikes were pretty much optimized by the early 1980s (the frame and drivetrain much earlier than that, ease of shifting contiinued to improve but that does not contribute directly to SPEED). (b) That anyone who tells you otherwise knows little about bicycles or their history.

      What a fscking revolution.

      Think about this: in a time trial, a rider on an early-1960s Reynolds 531 road frame and drivetrain, using clip-on bars, deep section rims built with 32 or 36 spokes, shoe covers and a skinsuit would absolutely TORCH anyone riding without these things on ANY standard road bike built today.

      In fact, if the ONLY difference was a good vs. mediocre aero riding position, a rider of equivalent fitness could STILL ride the old bike and beat a rider on ANY uci-approved new bike.

      As LeMond said: it doesn't get easier, you just go faster.

    2. Re:Talking about Road Bikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were plenty of 1980s road racers who wouldn't even consider using a frame more than one year. Why, because they were afraid the damn thing would break! This era also was plagued by fork blades breaking at the crown over minor obstructions.

      And please tell me you're not still riding Super Record cranks...

      These are the good days, friend.

    3. Re:Talking about Road Bikes... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

      Although you get at the main point of the problem, which is friction, you forget that as drivetrains grow more advanced and reliable, drivetrain friction decreases. Keep in mind that I am talking about a multi-geared bike, because a single speed will pwn a multi-speed due to chainline problems which add a lot of undue friction. But you are right, air friction does count, so does drivetrain friction, and so does weight and reliability. Every pound you shed will be a pound you don't carry up the mountain. With Carbon Fiber, every vibration absorbed is a vibration that doesn't numb your hands. With ultra-long distance competitive cycling, every little thing counts. Think of all the wasted energy of hauling 45 lbs when you could carry 20(or less)lbs.

    4. Re:Talking about Road Bikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      45 vs. 20 lbs - significant difference. 16 vs. 18 - not significant except at the most elite levels of competiton. As for reliability - I agree that the SR cranks were notorious for breakage but the basic problem - as pointed out by Jobst Brandt and others - of the pedal-crank connnection has not been solved, and cranks still fail at that junction. One must watch one' s equipment closely.

      And today's 16-lb road bike is not a lot more likely to stand up to more than 2 seasons of hard racing than the 18 lb bike of 20 years ago.

      As for CF - how much compliance is there in a CF fork or frame versus the complicance in the tire, the saddle, the handlebars, the wheels, and your ass? Answer: to a first approximation, zero. None. If you want a more compliant ride, use a larger-diameter/lower pressure tire, and/or a suspension seatpost. Rolling resistance increases will be negligable, aero drag will increase slightly.

      And with drivetrain friction: if you can provide reliable measurements showing lower frictional losses with today's equipment than with comparable equipment from 10, 20 years ago, I'd be fascinated to see it. But I don't expect that chain drives, which were already very efficient, have gotten a lot better. I suspect that any increases in chain drive efficiency are (more than) offset by frictional losses caused by the bearing seals that are now common but then were rare. I don't expect that you have such data anyway.

  50. Climbing by Tomster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm too young to have seen the development of the most revolutionary advances in climbing: the shoes, ropes, harnesses, belay devices, protection, etc. etc. But I sure do appreciate their benefits -- both in my ability to climb more difficult routes and (more importantly) the safety with which I can climb.

    As an example of the benefits of new technology, consider the American climbing ratings system (the Yosemite Decimal System). Originally there were ten difficulty levels, from 5.1 to 5.10, 5.10 being "physically impossible". Today, it goes to 5.15 -- and thanks to the technical advances in gear, an amateur like myself can climb 5.10 or 5.11 (once considered "advanced" climbs).

    -Thomas

    1. Re:Climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAC but, I hope you aren't fooling yourself.
      Reminds me of the Spinal Tap guitarist who noted that the band's speakers were louder than all others because the volume dial went to 11.

    2. Re:Climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Climbing is a special case in a lot of ways. Perhaps interestingly so. The new(er) technology with a few exceptions (sticky boots) haven't made things doable that weren't in the past, just an awful lot safer. Theres things I will try with modern protection devices (esp. Friends & modern ropes) that would of been foolhardy in the extreme back in the days of ropes that snapped when too much force was put upon them. One development thats ongoing is actually avoiding using more equipment than is necessary--a move to "freeing" aid routes (routes where one would use all manner batman-like hooks and tools to gain height over tricky rock).

      In addition to this, modern protection in general means that we no longer have to damage the rock necessarily by banging in pitons etc.

      So, in terms of purity within the activity itself, the development of technology associated with climbing has actually led, perhaps counterintuitively, to a "less is more" situation. I'd say these developments have definitely enhanced my enjoyment of the sport.

    3. Re:Climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also because of advances in technique. I'm sure if you looked at climbing videos a few decades old you'd be chuckling to yourself. I know I do when I watch old skiing videos (even ones from the 80s). Technique-wise I own any of the guys from past decades, and I'm hardly a professional.

      True, better equipment allows for this as well, as does popularity. It's kind of a synergy, or a chicken-egg problem.

    4. Re:Climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to disagree with a lot of what you are saying:

      1. Protection technology has made a MASSIVE difference in traditional and other forms of climbing; how about friends (or "cams" to you yanks), quickdraws that rip to extend on large falls, bouldering mats, thinner ropes, anti-sweat lotions for hands,

      2. Sticky rubber. In Britain, when this first arrived, the old-timers considered it cheating. It's very noticeable that sticky rubber appears in the early 80s leading to the first French 8a (5.13b) routes and the consequent grade explosion from F8a In 1983 to French 8C+/9a (5.14d/5.15a)in only 6/7 years. Sport route grades have hardly moved on since, though bouldering and traditional climbing have.

      3. Sports psychology & Training methods. Are these a technologies? Arguably, arguably not. Examples... Visualisation, campus boards (definitely a training technology), system boards, fingerboards, some weight exercise (like using more applied weight for the lowering half of a pull up).

      4. There are climbers who were cutting edge in the ir youthful prime, who could can now climb many grades harder in their 50s/60s. Jean Minh Thrin Threu's father climbed his first F8a/5.13b in his 60s!

    5. Re:Climbing by offaxis · · Score: 1

      I realise this point has already been made, but for those of you geeks out there who don't climb (huh?? :] ), here's a page outlining how spring-loaded camming devices (SLCDs, cams, friends, etc) work. These things completely revolutionised the sport, protecting routes that were previously impossible to protect, making it possible to climb extremely daunting crack lines without completely losing your sanity.

      To the wrestler who thought otherwise - technology has not taken the sport out of this game; it has significantly raised the stakes of what is possible.

      cya,
      Tim

  51. To Much Money! by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    When I first got into road bikes it was reasonable to get into the sport.

    Now with all the advances in technology you have to spend at least $1500.00 just to get an entry level racer. That doesn't include the ultra hip clothes $200.00 and up for a pair of shorts and a jersey. $150.00 bucks for the shoes. $100.00 + for a nicely shaped foam helmet with a very thin layer of plastic over it.

    I'll keep my 12 year old custom Cannondale until the wheels fall off.

    1. Re:To Much Money! by Thrower1141 · · Score: 1

      my solution to all of that? get ajob at a bike shop. got me my colnago c40 after just 1 year...best 3 grand i ever spent. i saved 2500...yeah i know, i probably didnt need the hyperion wheels or the record carbon cranks..

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      ---how do you like them f--kin' apples - Lance Armstrong
  52. The 2 quart beer container. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When these came on the market, they were a boon to our way of viewing sport. Where one had to chug multiple containers of puny 12 ounce beer cans, now with a 2 quart can, one could drink longer in between fillups.

    1. Re:The 2 quart beer container. by I+Like+Swords!!! · · Score: 1

      And while you're busy filling up, those longer bathroom breaks to empty out for the next round...

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  53. It goes both ways by rblancarte · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think you are right, when you say technology can sometimes make sports worse. But I think it is fair to say that Technology also makes things better. Lets take a look:

    Golf - While they have done a nice job reiging in club technology, you have ball technology going through the roof. Golf courses are being made obsolete. Expect the governing bodies to put in restrictions very soon to level things off.

    Tennis - Due to new racket technology, it is possible to just crush the ball. Because of this new technology, the game is just turning into serve-ace or serve-return-point. Wimbledon, which is played on a very fast surface, has become very boring to watch. Unless this trend is reversed, expect tennis to become extremely boring with all surfaces rendered obsolete.

    Swimming - With the new swim suits everyone has started wearing, you have seen records just start to fall like rocks. At first this seemed like a joke, but if you realize it, this is taking away factors that in many ways could be considered unimportant to the sport, like drag in the water. Of course, you could also think of it in a way that the most prepared (ie, do all you can to reduce drag) wins.

    Track - new surface technology as well as wind suits (similar to the swimming suits) have allowed people to run faster. Still, you have to accelerated your body to be that fast, and world records are not falling at any serious rate (the world record has only changed .1 seconds in about 15 years).

    The list could go on and on. These are just technologies that have improved or altered the ways that athletes interact with the sports. Other things have been done to make the sports more accessable for the viewer. HDTV is probably the most pronounced, but other things (many of which have been mentioned) - constant scoreboards on the screen, 1st and 10 lines in football, glowing pucks, and even instant replay have done a lot to improve what the viewer knows about what they are watching.

    It all depends on your point of view. However, when talking about improvments to the game (for the players), IMHO, it all comes down to this: If technology begins to have a bigger impact on the sport than the people who are playing; ie- you hit the ball further because of technology, NOT your skill; then technology is a bad thing. If all it works to level out factors that should not be included in the sport, then it is a good thing.

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    1. Re:It goes both ways by cmay · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the tennis comment... Someone, at some point, started the "With these new racquets, the game is all power hitters, everyone is hitting aces, the game is boring" There is no basis in fact to back up these claims, it is total nonsense. The racquets today, don't really help the serve that much, the DO help the returner a lot. 30 years ago, the Wilson speed serving contest was won with a wood racquet, and the serve was hit at over 150mph, thats faster than the current ATP Tour record of 149mph (although the ATP Record requires that the serve go in, while the other contest didn't). Sampras played McEnroe in a charity tennis event, where they both played with wood racquets. Sampras was still serving mid to upper 120's just like he does with his regular ProStaff 6.0. For those that say "The game is totally dominated by the big servers!!!!" Of course that is TOTALLY FALSE! Wimbledon is the fastest surface of any tennis court, so of course the servers are going to have the greatest advantage at wimbledon compared with any other tournament. So, was the draw dominated by big servers?? NO, it wasn't at all!! The mens quaterfinals saw Jonas Bjorkman, Andy Roddick, Roger Federer, Sjeng Schalken, Tim Henman, Sebastien Grosjean, Alexander Popp, and Mark Philippoussis. Only Roddick, Popp, and Phillippoussis could be considered big servers in that group. 3/8 isn't really the domination you would expect. Of the top 10 men in championship race for this year, only 1 could be called a big server, and thats Roddick, who is 7th. Come on.

    2. Re:It goes both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another sport that has had an interesting development is hockey with the new sticks. apparently, the new sticks allow players to shoot and move the puck much faster than before. however, these sticks also break more frequently - as anyone who watched this year's NHL playoffs can attest.

    3. Re:It goes both ways by HoldenCaulfield · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I agree that what you say might apply to professional sports and records, technology I think in general, has improved things for the average Joe.

      I know when I started playing tennis, when I was around 12 or 13, the first racquet I picked up was an old wooden one my dad had from when he was younger. Let me tell you, it was a struggle, and about a week later, my dad had got me a racquent (one of those cheap $20 kid's racquets) and at that point tennis turned from a game of frustration, to more of a new challenge that I wanted to overcome.

      Golf is simliar as well - I know some people complain that their golf buddies are buying their scores by spending thousands on clubs, but as an amateur golfer, I don't see anything wrong with someone improving the 4 hours or so it takes them to play a round of golf. Again, it changes it from a game of frustration, to a game that you might go out and enjoy.

      One might argue then that the problem is that people are too competitive, that they should be satisified with the limits of their ability, but in my mind, the benefits good equipment can bring, which then result in improved happiness and enjoyment of the sport, are worth it.

    4. Re:It goes both ways by mosch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There already are regulations on most every aspect of golf club and ball design, and the USGA is doing an excellent job of protecting the purity of the game. Golf courses are in no way becoming obsolete. The biggest improvement to golf in recent years has been that all the top professional golfers now spend a fair amount of time in the gym, and with coaches. $5 golf balls and $500 clubs do not a good golfer make.

    5. Re:It goes both ways by rifftide · · Score: 1

      I agree it's hard argue with technology that lets an advanced beginner extend his/her rallies using an oversized racket, or a high handicapper to straighten out his ball flight with more forgiving clubhead design. The tour pros usually stay away from this stuff anyway as it detracts from their performance. What's bad is when you have "hot" balls, drivers, or rackets that turn these sports into an arms race. This is where the governing bodies need to take a stand, and it's tough when there's so much money at stake.

    6. Re:It goes both ways by rifftide · · Score: 1

      I'm not a big fan and I only saw Federer once (against Roddick this week) but he looks like a big server to me. Of course Philoppoussis' serve is legendary. That's your men's final. Other than that, I agree that the men's game has been that fast, or close to it, for a long time. If you want to see long rallies, check out the women's matches.

    7. Re:It goes both ways by budgenator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      my sport is bowling, and over the past few years the technology involved in ball coverings has been incrediable. To use these new balls you have to throw them at 19MPH on a heavy oiled surface, but most serious recreational bowlers through about 15-18 MPH on a lightly oiled surface that's usualy bone dry on the edges; so its amusing to see the "know-it-alls" trying to bowl with the latest $200.00 just been on the TV match bowling ball. These balls are made for pro's that throw 100-200 games a week, they just don't work the same for a serious rec bowler throwing 100-200 games a year, my bigest problem is find new dinosaur eggs to throw. Also these balls are pretty well worn out after a hundred games, or about one league for a year, serious bowlers might compete in 3-5 leagues, so most of the times they are throwing a worn-out ball anyways.

      I have found that watching the ladies on the LPBA, and what works for them, give me a much better idea of what might work for me. the strenght and skill levels of the lpba is a better match of what a serius recreational bowler might acheive.

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    8. Re:It goes both ways by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      Other things have been done to make the sports more accessable for the viewer. HDTV is probably the most pronounced, but other things (many of which have been mentioned) - constant scoreboards on the screen, 1st and 10 lines in football, glowing pucks, and even instant replay have done a lot to improve what the viewer knows about what they are watching.

      There are several sports that I suspect would gain a bigger fan base if everyone had HDTV widescreen. I would like watching hockey on TV a lot better if I could see the whole playing surface and see how the plays develop, but on TV you lose a lot. Same thing with football (and yes, I will call soccer what the rest of the world calls it--football). On TV, it's hard to see things develop because you get to see such a small part of the field (it's not so bad watching on Univision, but American stations are terrible). In person, it's a great sport, but Americans are never going to figure that out if they only see it the way it is on TV now.

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    9. Re:It goes both ways by darnok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Tennis - Due to new racket technology, it is
      > possible to just crush the ball. Because of this
      > new technology, the game is just turning into
      > serve-ace or serve-return-point. Wimbledon,
      > which is played on a very fast surface, has
      > become very boring to watch. Unless this trend
      > is reversed, expect tennis to become extremely
      > boring with all surfaces rendered obsolete.

      Tennis is now considering reversing the trend somewhat by reducing the width of the face of racquets. In the days of wooden racquets, they all were about 9.5 inches wide, and were limited by the strength of wood - any bigger and they couldn't stand the force of impact.

      Now they average about 13.5 inches wide, so that's nearly 40% larger. That's why there's so many clubbers around, and a skilful guy will almost always get beaten by a gorilla.

      I believe the proposal is to reduce the size of racquets down to 11.5 inches in the next few years, then down to something like 10 inches after that. The idea is to basically bring some more skill back into the game.

      As long as they don't do it before the Wimbledon final, where I'll be happy to watch a clubber win one more time. Go the Poo!!

    10. Re:It goes both ways by spitzig · · Score: 1

      My initial thought about the subject was the same basically. Does it make it a competition over who has the best stuff? But, what if the technology MAKES a better player.

      The first thing that came to mind with this was Mark McGuire. I don't watch sports(surprise). But, I do know that he was an "average" player until he started using working out and using supplements. Supplements are a pretty new technology. Similar to steroids. These are technologies that DO improve the capabilities of a player(different drugs for different sports). The main difference is just that one is known to have detrimental health effects. These just improve strength or size, for the most part, which is arguably not skill. But, most sports are more dependent upon size, strength, or speed than skill. Also, there are probably drugs that enhance alertness, so some of them probably increase ability.

      Like, I believe baseball uses 3D playbacks of pitches and swings to help the players improve. Obviously, a better simulator(or however they turn the record into a 3D representation) will do a better job of this.

    11. Re:It goes both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      McGwire was not "average" even early in his career. His set a rookie record with 49 HR in 1987. He was limited by injuries and the suplements may have helped keep him healthy, but he has always been special.

    12. Re:It goes both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the world record has only changed .1 seconds in about 15 years

      Oh, is that ALL? Come on, that represents like a 15% improvement.

      Something I now regularly enjoy (due to physical proximity and making a shitload of money), skiing, has greatly benefitted over the past couple of decades. The equipment is now very good (and overall affordable due to populariry) so you can concentrate more on technique and more esoteric skills, rather than the basics.

    13. Re:It goes both ways by Beauty_is_the_Enemy · · Score: 0

      Well I was just looking for something to reply to as I'm an avid bowler & ctrl+F'd for Bowl. Can't belive I only found 1 post. I should say that I've averaged over 200 since my younger teens, & have been bowling for almost 20 years.

      First off the advances in ball coverstocks has been huge in the last 25 years or so, from urethane, to reactive (urethane with high friction resin), & now Particle (urethane with High friction glass/ceramic particles--that act like small microscopic teeth)..The other major advancement has been in creating dynamic imbalance inside the ball, which allows ball drillers to make a ball "hook" more then it'd be if the ball had a pancake weight block (no dynamic imbalance) & only 1oz side-to-side legal static imbalance. It also makes it so you can get one of those oil suckers down the lane without it "rolling out" (losing power) 30ft down the lane.

      As far as having to throw them faster, that simply isn't true. The last I looked the avg. PBA tour ball speed was around 18.5mph (Tim Criss only tosses it about 15-16mph), & the average PWBA lady was around 17.5. In fact you can now throw it slower than before because they create more angle which translates into more power at the pins (my mom for instance averages over 190, with a speed of about 13mph)

      Just FYI, oil reduces or eliminates friction..which leads to less overall hook (i.e. throwing it slower may be advantages if you play right in it). It'd also be notworthy that in the last 20 years the way oil is applied to the lanes has changes tremendously, from the lacker days back before the 50-60's, to a topcoat with lane oil on top that was applied & removed by hand, then to the old oiling machines that had 1 pad, then to mulitiple pads/wicks, then compluterized pads, & finally to the new spray machines that can lay down oil like a dot matrix printer.

      Bowling technology has progressed so far that a person with a few hundred bucks in equipment, & a little practice can average 200+ (considered par in bowling, but really it should be realitive to the condition) on a "House Lane Condition" in less then a year...The real humour is that you put out the lane condtions the pros bowl on and these people have trouble averaging 160.

      Btw, the professional ladies you see on ESPN are absolutly amazing, not possessing the power & usally competing on tougher condtions than the men. They make it look like a recreational bowler might be close to there skill level.

    14. Re:It goes both ways by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      It's not so much that big servers are dominating, just that tennis is basically now a game of baseline whacking - and whoever blinks first loses. With Pat Rafter and Martina Hingis retired, the number of players playing "interesting" tennis, as opposed to just standing back at the baseline blasting the ball and screaming are hovering dangerously close to zero. I no longer watch tennis for this very reason - it's just _boring_.

    15. Re:It goes both ways by cmay · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that you would pick those 2 players (Rafter and Hingis).

      Rafter wasn't one to stay at the baseline, and he would only participate in long ralleys because he didn't have the ground strokes to end them. He would have to get to net usually, or wait for an error from his opponent. I'm a big Rafter fan (or at least was until his retirement), but usually the people that don't like "the new style of tennis", are not the people that like Rafter's game, interesting.

      Now, on to Hingis...
      Before I get going let me say a few things that might piss off some people...
      Womens tennis sucks. It sucks really really bad. The women pro tennis players, for the majority, are crappy and out of shape.

      This year at wimbledon we are seeing the William's sisters in the finals again, and the semi finals were the 1,2,3, and 4 seeds. When was the last time that you saw that happen on the mens side... hmmmm how many years do you have to look back? Has it EVER happened in a slam tournment?

      Capriati could lose 20-30 lbs. Her gut sticks as far out as her breasts, if not farther, she has double chin, and she can't even make it through 3 sets of tennis on grass, which is the easiest surfact to play long matches on. 3 sets!! Come on! Go for a jog, watch what you eat! They are supposed to be world class athletes, in a sport that demands extreme fitness to succeed! How can they still be ranked so high if they are in such poor shape? 1) They only play best of 3 sets (and yet want equal pay). 2) There just arn't enough good players out there to force them to do more to improve. It's sad. It's not that the William's sisters are such amazing athletes, it's just that they are good athletes that work very hard, and are in good physical shape.

      I will say this, unlike many sports out there (mens tennis included), a "normal" women can become a professional tennis player through hard work. What do I mean? I'll give you an example. If I were to spend every waking hour of my life running, I don't think I would ever be able to become a world class marathon runner. It's just not in my genes. I'm sure you all know (or where) some kid in high school that, no matter how hard he worked, was never going to make the team, they just didn't have it. To be a pro baseball player, it's more than putting in a lot of time in the batter cage, you have to be born with the ability to track the baseball with your eyes, better than almost anyone else on the planet.

      Women tennis players, dont' have to worry about any of this.

      They don't have to be fast (Davenport, and a bazillion others), they don't have to be big (Henin), they don't have to be strong (Henin), but more importantly, they don't have to have any god given reflexes to return 130 mph serves (or 110 mph kick serves that are curving like crazy).

      AND... If Andy Roddick wanted to get ready for his match against Rudsedski (BTW... are there any Brits reading this? Do the people in G.B. realize that Greg Rudsedski is the biggest asshole of all time. And by "asshole" I mean "total classless douchbag", on and off the court? I'm not taking a pot shot, Im just wondering how the British press holds him, and how the fans think of him.)... then Roddick just has to go find a left handed tennis player that can serve mid to upper 140s. Hmmmm. Lets see, there is no one that can do that. Roddick has almost NO way to practice returning that kind of serve.

      Now on the womens side... If you are playing Serena or Venus, or Davenport, and you need to practice returning a serve 15-125mph, who can you get to help you? Hmmmm. How about any male tennis player that has played the game for more than a few years. There is no reason that Serena should be blowing players off the court with 115mph serves, when Phillippoussis is serving 125mph SECOND SERVES, and only winning like 60% of the points.

      Anyway... back to track.

      Higis wasn't that good. The players finally caught up to her. Did you see her last appearance at t

    16. Re:It goes both ways by cmay · · Score: 1

      You have to remember that there is a difference between being a "big" server, and being a "good" server.

      Roddick hits the ball much "bigger", but he had WAY WAY WAY fewer aces. Federrer, who doesn't really serve that hard, was placing his serve really well. Remember also that grass is the hardest surface to return on, and Roddick isn't know for being a good returner.

    17. Re:It goes both ways by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      It's interesting that you would pick those 2 players (Rafter and Hingis).

      Maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to do - pick players whose games *didn't* revolve around the current style of baseline rallies (and little else).

      Rafter wasn't one to stay at the baseline [...]

      Er, that was kinda my point :). I don't like tennis which just involve two people standing at each baseline belting the ball back and forth until someone screws up.

      I like(d) Rafter for the same reason I like(d) Hingis - they mix up their shots and didn't play a brute force game. It's *interesting* to watch because the players are playing close-to-the-action games that require fast reflexes and thinking to work with (I just like games that require the players to act and think quickly - same reason I like volleyball).

      I can't imagine why anyone who didn't like the "new style of tennis" wouldn't like Rafter's (and Hingis's) games. He was about the only serve/volleyer left in the men's competition and she was about the only woman who did something more than just stand at the baseline, hit and grunt.

      But they were both victims of their playing style, one way or another. An active game like they played requires a great deal of physical fitness, while the games played currently (most noticably by the Williams sisters) do not. Venus and Serena can hit hard and probably have reasonable fitness level s (it's hard to play at that level and not), but they are not agile, not fast, and neither of them can handle a really active game - they usually injure themselves.

      Saying Hingis was unfit is a bit unfair. She played *lots* of tennis (as in, not Grand Slam games - that's how she stayed number one for a couple of years after hardly winning any major comps) and played a style that required incredible amounts of aerobic fitness and was very hard on her body - Rafter was the same.

      Higis wasn't that good.

      Hingis was an exceptionally good tennis player, probably one of the best female players to ever walk on the court. She was just in the wrong time. She just didn't (doesn't) have the size or strength to play the modern game of big serves and long baseline rallies.

      The players finally caught up to her.

      In many ways they still haven't. Venus has little more than power. Serena is much the same although rapidly improving in terms of tactics and skills and is by far the better player of the two. Capriati and Davenport don't have the fitness. Clijsters doesn't have enough power and can't bluff with skill like Hingis did. And that's about the limit of my current knowledge, since I don't watch much anymore.

      Even after that, Hingis could barely move.

      Dunno if you're a local or not, but the environment the Aussie open is played in is _very_ harsh. It's probably the most physically demanding tournament on the whole tour. Personally, I'm astounded most of the men can even last four sets without being stretchered off.

      Here is a tip for Hingis. Go out and do some sprints, and then get a coach that isn't your mom, and have them teach you how to serve.

      Hingis simply doesn't have the physical strength to be able to serve like the powerful female players - she's only a tiny little thing. Technically speaking, there was little wrong with it.

      The mens game has plenty of ralleys, and the fact is that the stakes are higher on every shot, because if you leave one ball too short, the point could be over. I personally, find this MUCH more interesting than the "old" style of tennis where guys just stood around (literally standing flat on their feet) slicing the ball back and forth, one guy comes to net, the other throws up a lob, he lets the lob bounce, and hits a slice, bring us right back to where we were.

      I don't know what era you're thinking about, but personally my favourite style of tennis is the classic serve/volley game that Rafter played.

      I don't think the players today are g

    18. Re:It goes both ways by cmay · · Score: 1

      Ok I think we understand each other now...

      I think, when most people say they don't like "todays" tennis, they are saying that they long for the days of wood racquets and short shorts, when everyone had a one handed slice backhand, and topspin lobs were unheard of.

      I believe you do not fall into this category (Correct?). I think you are talking about the tennis of only a few years ago, say 5-10 years?

      I wouldn't disagree with you at all. I was a serve and volley player for a while in college, but I wasn't tall enough to do it consistently like I did in the juniors, so I really respected any serve and volley player, espically Sampras (and of course Rafter).

      To me, the most interesting tennis was played by Sampras. I don't think you would disagree, because he was one of the few players with an all court game, similar to Rafter.

      In fact, I believe there were a number of years when Rafter and Sampras were the only players that could really serve and volley (and actually could volley, not just hit a 140mph serve and run to net behind it).

      Usually the people that don't like todays game, WANT more ralleys, more baseline play, longer points etc.

      Saying Hingis was unfit is a bit unfair....Rafter was the same.

      Ok, here is where I will start to disagree. :) No matter how hot it is out there on the court, a professional tennis player should not be exausted after playing 2 sets. It just shouldn't happen. There is no excuse. The men play 5 sets in the same conditions, and this year, Roddick played enough for 7 sets in his semi against El Anoui. Even after 5 hours of play, Roddick was still sprinting down dropshots. There is not physical reason why women tennis players should become so tired so early in matches, except that they are out of shape and don't train hard.

      Now, it is a very well know fact that Hingis did NOT train hard at all. In fact, she would often say that the only reason she played doubles was so that she could do that instead of practicing. She didn't like practicing, and didn't like sprints, she liked playing, and that got her pretty far, but you could see it in her endurance that she was not in shape.

      Rafter on the other hand, was a work horse, who was in better shape than most the men. Rafter is a guy who, lets face it, had a sub-average serve, very-sub-average forehand, very sub-average backhand, and exceptional volleys. So, how is it that he did so well? He worked extremely hard, played extrememly smart, and made the most out of every aspect of his game! I think if he were not to have injured his shoulder as bad as he did, that he would still be a factor in the game today, even though he is a serve and volleyer, hitting a 115mph first serve. How is this possible? He hits 70% of them in, and hits them in the corners. He almost never makes errors, he plays smart shots, and he works hard on every point. We need more guys like this...

      Dunno if you're a local or not, but the environment the Aussie open is played in is _very_ harsh. It's probably the most physically demanding tournament on the whole tour. Personally, I'm astounded most of the men can even last four sets without being stretchered off.

      I'm a local... of Chicago :)
      While it is probably not known, chicago summers are usually 90's (lets see thats...35C or so) with 80% or more humidity. While this might not be quite as harsh as you guys get at the Aussi open, it's getting there.

      But these people are supposed to be professionals! The best in the world! They should be in such great shape, 3 sets should be no problem.

      Hingis simply doesn't have the physical strength to be able to serve like the powerful female players - she's only a tiny little thing.

      This is a common, but incorrect assumption. Serve speed has almost nothing to do with strength, and almost everything to do with technique (and flexability).

      No tennis playe

    19. Re:It goes both ways by rifftide · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I'm a pretty casual fan so I didn't catch some of the fine points.

    20. Re:It goes both ways by pthisis · · Score: 1

      my sport is bowling

      Pretty loose definition of sport here.....

      I play semi-pro foosball at big tournaments ($50,000+). Hollow-core rods adopted in the early 1980s allowed people who aren't weightlifters to compete at the highest levels, but took away some rod strength--the biggest change in the last year has been the new carbon-alloy bars; on the old rods, top players would have them permanently bowed after a couple games, making timing-sensitive shots much more difficult. You can practically do pullups on the new ones.

      Some alternative tables (Shelti) are experimenting with a Teflon-like coating on the rods that slide true even if they haven't been recently siliconed.

      Advances in grip technology from the tennis market have carried over; the newer overgrips are very tacky yet still absorbent enough to stay dry and thin enough to give good control.

      The last big change was the composite ball replacing the plastic ball (in the mid/late 80s), which allowed for truer rolls (no warping of balls mid-game) and more ball control (textured grippiness of the ball). The switch to heavier balls prevented a lot of off-the-table situations. The french tables use a completeley different cork ball, but it's now resin-injected so it doesn't get crushed out of true so quickly (and it's yellow for better visibility).

      The french tables also have telescoping rods to prevent injury (no rod extends out the far side of the table). The american tables have counterweighted men, which helps in the singles game considerably.

      At the other end of the spectrum, Jupiter is just now looking at new designs to replace their wooden men. :-/

      But, even though it takes a lot of skill to win and leaves you physically exhausted, it's not a sport.

      SH

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    21. Re:It goes both ways by michael_cain · · Score: 1
      Golf - While they have done a nice job reiging in club technology, you have ball technology going through the roof. Golf courses are being made obsolete. Expect the governing bodies to put in restrictions very soon to level things off.
      IIRC, the fundamental limit set on balls by the USGA is that they shall not exceed an initial velocity of 250 feet per second (FPS) when hit on the USGA's standard hitting machine, and the machine hasn't changed in decades. There have been a variety of improvements in aerodynamics (ie, dimple design) that have improved things, but I don't think that's made an enormous difference. You've always been able to buy illegal "hot" balls, but the pros certainly aren't using them. Improvements in clubs -- compare the weight of a modern titanium-head graphite-shafted driver with an old maple-head steel-shafted one -- allow for higher clubhead velocities and resulting initial ball velocity. IIRC, modern pros get much higher initial velocities than the standard hitting machine, independent of ball technology.

      For the average player, I believe that the biggest change has been the use of modern materials to lighten overall club weight and improve the distribution of head mass to produce a much larger "sweet" spot. That combination makes it easier to make solid contact with the ball, producing better energy transfer and greater average distance. OTOH, I don't think it has made the average player much better -- at least I haven't noticed that the average players' scores have improved dramatically.

  54. $0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are, of course, pros and cons to each frame material, geometry, tube shape, and so on. I recently purchased an alloy bike with carbon fork and seat stay, which in itself is an interesting piece of work.

    I also work at a local bike shop and therefore deal with a whole lot of people every week who are anywhere from cycling newbies to seasoned professionals.

    Granted, there have been leaps and bounds in cycling technology over the years, making bikes lighter, stiffer, smoother, and more tuned for good power transfer and efficiency. But, every week, I get at least half a dozen customers who just want the most expensive bike in the shop and don't even bother to test ride, fit, or anything. These people believe that the bike will make them a fast rider. I try to beat through their thick skulls and educate them that all the technology in the world will not make them a fast rider. These people just don't want to hear it.

    But, I'll again scream at the top of my lungs that _it's not about the bike_ !!! It's all about attitude, desire, and that burning spirit inside you that can yell at you louder than your aching legs. It's also about learning good technique on the bike. I see so many "posers" on expensive bikes (almost always Trek, of course) pounding away at a cadence of 50 pushing 53/16 or so going 16 mph, leaning on the hoods. As I whiz by spinning 100, I can't help yelling "wrong wrong wrong!" as I fly by.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that so many people are getting into cycling - and at least blowing money on bikes that will serve them well if they learn how to ride. What bothers me are these bike shops that push expensive bikes out the door and don't lift a finger to teach people how to ride.

    The other day, I ran into a guy that was out with his two sons. He had dropped 4 large on a pair of Fuji Professionals (the bike I ride) - and the kids were in toe clips!!! I had stopped because I like to acknowledge other Fuji riders, and since they rode the same bike I do, it was a nice conversation. The shop that sold him the bikes didn't do anything to set up the bikes properly, not even doing him the favor of selling him decent clipless pedals for his sons.

    I admired the kids' desire to learn to ride - they both hoped to ride fast, which is great. I just hope they take me up on my offer to come into my shop for a free fitting and riding lesson (and, of course, to buy pedals and shoes). Maybe there's hope yet for the pair of teenage boys who both want to be the next Lance Armstrong.

    Bottom line - technology helps, but don't forget the cyclist inside of you who needs to be set free to tear up the roads. Only armed with the right technique and skill will the technological revolution in cycling be of any use to you.

    1. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there's a lot of evidence (as in controlled, peer-reviewed ergometer studies) that while 90-100 rpm is optimal cadence for competetive to elite cyclists, optimal cadence is lower for lower poser outputs.

      Those recreational cyclists pushing 50-60 rpm at 17 mph may in fact be much closer to the optimum for their fitness levels and riding conditions than you seem to realize.

      Where we agree is that it's about the ride, not the bike.

    2. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by lnoble · · Score: 1

      He had dropped 4 large on a pair of Fuji Professionals (the bike I ride) - and the kids were in toe clips!!!

      I prefer toe clips by far for regular training, touring, and of course commuting. If you simply use them properly, similar to your mention of maintaining appropriate cadence, then there is very little difference in actual power transfer. Clips are nearly essential for most commuting don't own a car). They are by far classier (I use Christophe, with campy record pedals), they allow you much more choice of pedal position, so you can work different muscles and have better control over comfort. When racing I will use clip-less, but in doing anything else it's clips all the way.

    3. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by driftingwalrus · · Score: 1

      Just try learning to ride a bike when you're 22! Nigh on impossible, without at least killing yourself.

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    4. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by angry+old+man · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that if somebody want's to spend $2000 and not use clipless pedals, then more power to them. If they want to use pedals with not clips or cages then so what. If they have the means and walk into a bike shop and buy the most expensive bike, then who is the bike shop salesperson to get offended?

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    5. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not such a good salesperson maybe? You need to learn that cycling is kind of a trendy thing right now, and you'll have people coming in and buying the most expensive bike you have. Like someone buying the most expensive computer they can find to read email and browse the interweb :)

      You need to recognize these people, stroke their egos, and plunder their wallet, which they'll give you willingly, and they'll be happy. Spend your time on and dispense wisdom to those who will benefit from it.

    6. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by MKalus · · Score: 1

      In Toronto there is the "Ride for Heart" thing happening every year, this year I was there early and saw a woman on her Rocket TT with complete Dura Ace Kit TT / Tri set up.

      I was just thinking to myself: "Uh, oh, better try to hang with her." In the end I found another guy on his 10 year old, crummy bike and we were riding together, I only saw that woman again when we were at the Turn Around.

      She most likely dropped more on her drivetrain than I did on my complete bike (okay, not quite) but I still did better, that made me feel good.

      Ah, enough writing, gotta go, have a race in 2 hours. Happy riding.

      BTW, what is your opinion of Speedplay Zeros? I have them and love them.

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    7. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      I also have Speedplays, but not the Zero. I only sprang for the X-3 since I didn't have an unlimited budget. I didn't want to spend an extra $150 just to shave 50 grams or so. Weight isn't _that_ important.

      Oh well, gotta go out and ride before the heat gets oppressive!

      Ride on....

    8. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by battjt · · Score: 1

      My brother has been hounding me for years to get clipless pedals.

      My history is a late 60' Schwin Voyager with clip pedals and the original ultra hard leather saddle, an early 80's Schwin Traveler with same pedals and saddle, and now a bright yellow, trendy Canondale with clipless pedals and a new gel saddle.

      The new saddle is good to my 31 year old butt, but I'm still not sold on the pedals. While crusing there is very little difference and while crashing it is just frightening. Here in the very flat mid Indiana there isn't much else. Cleats may be cool the first time you stop to for ice cream or what ever, but then they are just a huge pain. I can't use my bike to commute to work, run to the grocery, go for a ride with the kids, etc.

      Joe

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    9. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by MKalus · · Score: 1

      The price difference isn't that much, neither is the weight gain.

      The real beauty is in the cleat, the X1 - X3 ones have problems with dirt getting into it (okay, no rela problem if you're a pure cyclist, but as a Triathlete that IS a big thing).

      Furtermore I like that I can freely select the range of float I want on the Zeros in comparision to the X series.

      Michael

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    10. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Setting the float range is a nice feature, but not really one that I need. The Zeroes are definitely a nice pedal, but beyond, among other things, my budget :)

    11. Re:$0.02 worth of cycling anecdotes by MKalus · · Score: 1

      I got them for cheap at the Bike Expo :) $100 off, and with some nice talkingn didn't even pay the tax ;)

      M.

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  55. They greatly enhance my enjoyment by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sports technology enhances my enjoyment but not in the way you think. I have a 12 year old bike that is noticably crusty. Its a perverse pleasure to crush a tech weenie with his high tech gear with by junk. Its a gulity pleasure.

    part of the satisfaction is that that I too am an inner tech weenie. I used to lust after the gizmos. But slowly I stripped them off my bike. few really help you. and you spend more time worrying about your bike and tweaking it than riding it.

    The other thing is that I found that light-weight does not mean its better. I break light weight gear. heavy may be better if its solid and reliable. Front shock ride less precicely over a rock garden. Back shocks give you less control too.

    I've busted handlebars and could easily have gotten impaled on the fragments. Thus no more trick handle bar alloys for me, please--give me something that known not to metal fatigue or fail catastrophically before it bends.

    I've broken al lsorts of parts in all sorts of places I did not want to have to walk out of. thus repairable stuff is good too. I carry lots of tools and people laugh at how heavy my bike is--but somehow I end up using them all and not just on my bike.

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    1. Re:They greatly enhance my enjoyment by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      I agree reliability is great. Also the idea of stuff that will last makes me happy. I decided not to go for the Al frame cause of fatique. At the same time my bike is heavy, and I already weight enough. I do often wish when going up a hill to have less weight. I think the desision between the 2 is very hard. But in the end I think being able to ride my bike home is better then carrying it home.

  56. Sporting advances by paraleet · · Score: 1

    It's my opinion that the greatest technological advances in sports are modern hunting firearms. Without beauties like this, hunting would be ridiculously difficult. Pick one up for yourself today, and fill that deer quota in hours flat. On a sidenote, we really must thank the NRA for vigorously protecting our right as patriotic Americans to carry gas-powered semiautomatic pistol grip combat shotguns (capable of firing 7 76mm Magnum slugs in under 5 seconds) for the purpose of sport.

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  57. virtualspectator by karit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Virtual Spectator (http://www.virtualspectator.com/) I'd say is the biggest jump in sports viewing technogly. Made by some Kiwi's down in Dunedin.

    It has made wacthing Yacthing interested and has come a long way since American's Cup 1995.

    Along with yacthing they have also doing golf, WRC and F1.

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  58. recreational or competitive? by mah! · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think it makes a difference. I enjoy a lot of recreational sports (biking, windsurfing, rowing, sailing, running, downhill skiing, you know, the good ones :-)
    In in practicing such recreational sports, I believe that technology can improve the experience, by providing more comfort for example:

    a few years ago, due to back aches, biking was becoming less fun for me. So I got a Trek Y22 - not because it was carbon-fiber, but because I wanted a rear-suspension bike, and in 1997 there wasn't as much choice as nowadays (expecially at the lower end of the market). At clearance prices, it ran for $1000 and I did not mind having a cool bike...

    So in this case I have to admit that technology has made biking very enjoyable again. But I had just as much fun, when I was younger and did not have back problems, with a 20-yrs old Legnano!

  59. Re:So technology hasn't had an affected wrestling, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the biggest technological improvement is the Bra and Panty matches.

  60. Titanium bikes by steveha · · Score: 4, Informative

    My wife and I are serious bicyclists. This year, we are attempting longer and harder rides than ever before, with more elevation gain. So we got new bikes.

    My wife's bike is built on a frame by Wylder, called the Queen of the Road. Wylder is going out of business; when they were in business, they charged $1800 for that frame, but they are selling the frames they have left for $750. (Their web site says they have 42 cm, 45 cm, 52 cm, and 55 cm frames left. If you know a woman who wants a ti bike and can fit one of those sizes, send her this link!)

    My bike -- I'm still amazed, I feel so lucky -- is a Colnago Ovalmaster. It's 6/4 titanium, the extra-stiff kind, and it has oddly shaped tubes; the shaped tubes help make the bike very stiff in the ways I want it to be stiff (when I hammer on the pedals, the frame doesn't flex) but still light and springy when I go over bumps. I love it.

    I was able to afford my frame because I got it used on ebay. You can get some great deals on bike stuff on ebay.

    Anyway, our new bikes have really helped us improve our speed. I didn't realize how much my wife's old bike was holding her back, until she got the new one. Her old bike is comfortable and stable, but it's six full pounds heavier than her new one, which matters when you are spending many hours climbing tall hills. And a lot of the weight savings is in moving parts: pedals, cranks, wheels. (The rule of thumb is that rotating weight counts double, so you should sooner get a lighter wheel than a lighter saddle.)

    For me, the biggest improvement with the new bike is not the climbing, but the descending! My old bike was not stiff enough for me, and I got very nervous going down a steep hill. My new bike feels rock-stable under me when I am descending. I am still not a speed demon on downhills, but I'm a lot happier and a bit faster.

    The metric I like to apply to bikes is dollars per mile. We ride enough miles that even just this year, both bikes will drop to well under a dollar per mile. If you only ride 10 miles at a time, don't spend serious money on a bike; get an inexpensive starter bike. (But don't buy a $200 bike from Wal-Mart. If you are considering buying a new bike, please read my thoughts on my personal web page about bikes.)

    When you think about it, there is a lot of technology going with us on bike rides. We have heart rate monitors that also record speed, distance, and altitude changes (Polar S720+). We have technical fabric clothing, such as CoolMax jerseys or microfiber polyester rainwear. We have helmets that can save us in a bad accident, yet are light and don't make our heads overheat. We carry cell phones while riding, in case a bike totally breaks down and we need a taxi, or in case someone needs medical help.

    No matter how much technology I buy, the pro riders could still ride me into the ground on a low-end bike. But our titanium bikes, and our other gear, let us ride up to our ability and have fun doing it.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Titanium bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Albert Einstein wrote: "(The rule of thumb is that rotating weight counts double, so you should sooner get a lighter wheel than a lighter saddle.)"

      Care to explain the physics here Einstein? Is relativity involved or are you just talking out of your sphincter like so many other people for whom "I just wanted it; it was shiny" is not a good enough excuse for buying an expensive new bike? ("It's shiny" IS more than adequate, BTW).

    2. Re:Titanium bikes by lnoble · · Score: 1

      We have technical fabric clothing, such as CoolMax jerseys or microfiber polyester rainwear.

      I actually prefer merino wool by far to synthetic fabrics. It wicks better, it resists odor better(only need to wash it around once every 7 or so rides), it doesn't itch(merino only), and has that retro cache. Plastic also looks bad on probably 65% of the people who where it(number would be much higher, but those who would look the worst in it, ie /. crowd, wouldn't actually be cycling.)

      The wool fiber is actually hundreds of times more complex than any synthetic fabric out there and has been greatly developed despite the stigma associated with wool and active clothing. It's making a comeback though, or at least I hope so. Go here for good wool cycling clothing. I'm sure there are plenty of other good places, but I can't think of them off the top of my head and the link I provided always seemed to have the best stuff(warning--expensive).

    3. Re:Titanium bikes by steveha · · Score: 1
      Why must you be so rude asking a simple question?

      Here is an explanation:

      Dr. Ed Burke weighs in on lightweight mountain bike components

      The most relevant excerpt:

      ...low weight in rotating components is even more important. To accelerate a wheel or pedal and shoe system, kinetic energy of rotation must be supplied, in addition to the kinetic energy of linear motion. For example, with a wheel, if the weight is mostly concentrated in the rim and tire it would take nearly double the energy needed to accelerate it than an equal non-rotating weight. In other words, one pound added to a wheel or shoe/pedal system is equivalent to nearly two pounds on the bicycle frame.

      A few years ago I completed a study with Ned Frederick of Exerter Research that showed how the addition of 250 grams to a shoe/pedal system or 500 grams total for both right and left feet (about the difference between the lightest and heaviest shoe/pedal systems on the market) would require an additional power output of 1.3 percent on rotational power requirements at constant speeds on a level road.

      The effect on climbing, and accelerating, would be about 0.4 percent, but only during periods of climbing and accelerating. The effect on rolling resistance would be about 0.07 percent. This means that the net effect due to all factors of a realistic increase of 250 grams in mass on each leg would be to increase the power required by a cyclist by approximately 1.5 to 1.7 percent.

      This increased cost could be significant in a long road race of 100 to 125 miles, with several hills and ending with a sprint. In terms of oxygen cost we estimated 1.3 % increase at 200 watts of work (approximately 24-25 km/hr) when only an additional 125 grams is added to each pedal/shoe system (total 250 grams for both legs).


      But never mind the theory; we have observed that she rides faster on the new bike, especially uphill.

      steveha
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    4. Re:Titanium bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's rotational inertia (and momentum!) at work, basically. That's why when you see the ricer idiots with the gigantic wheels on their Civics you're 100% sure that they're idiots. The heavy wheels add a surprising amount of weight, and it takes lots of energy to get them spinning.

      BTW, your 'starting bicycling' web page is very good, I know I appreciated your effort!

  61. Sport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm too lazy to do this. would rather sit around and hack computer programs, watch tv and eat food.

    *yawn*

  62. Purity of sport and competition by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Funny
    When I think of sport, I think of the guys who got it hard, like those kenyan's who run, with nothing but a pair of shoes.

    Yeah. I'm always impressed when I hear about kids in Central America playing baseball naked, barehanded (regulation hard ball) because they can't afford a real glove and only own one change of clothes (if that), and don't want to wreck them.

    Lets face it... You are a true gamer if you play at 100% when you're totally naked. (Think sliding without pants on... OUCH! That's dedication...) This is probably off-topic, but this type of dedication you don't see in most professionals who have every technical, financial, and medical advantage (not to mention clothes to protect their bodies when sliding.)

    Technology is great, but you have to remember why you play the game (or run the race, or whatever) otherwise it is all pointless. Look how spoiled, whiny, and decadent most pro ballers are these days... Think any of them really remember what its all about?
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    1. Re:Purity of sport and competition by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1

      It might be interesting to note that the word gymnasium is derived from the greek work for naked, as in a place you go to excercise naked.

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    2. Re:Purity of sport and competition by sward · · Score: 1

      You are a true gamer if you play at 100% when you're totally naked.

      Remind me not to attend the next LAN party ...

    3. Re:Purity of sport and competition by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      You are a true gamer if you play at 100% when you're totally naked.
      Not if you grab the wrong joystick.

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  63. Paintball!! by Phyr3b4t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah... the true sport for masochists everywhere! Definitely the progress of electronic ball-hoppers are one of the main advances I've seen as of late... The Halo e-hopper for one, and the Tippman A-5's cyclone feeder. ;)

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    1. Re:Paintball!! by I+Like+Swords!!! · · Score: 1

      Ah... the true sport for masochists everywhere!

      masochists? masochists!?! Who said anything about masochists? Paintball is the recreational sport of sadists the world over...

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  64. not at all by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    Much like my computer equipment, I bike with what I can afford, which is a 8 year old Trek 800. It is mounted 24/7 on a bike carrier on the back of my car, and I replace the parts that rust after a while. It works, and if I take care of it, it runs. Much like my computer equipment. I don't buy high end. I buy yesterday's high end because I can afford it and make it do what I want.

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    1. Re:not at all by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I forgot to mention my other sport. Paintball. I'm still using a VM68 circa ~1994. It's a tank of a gun, and it will probably outlive me. It doesn't have any crappy LCD's or electronically controlled pressure valves. Everything is by hand, and it will continue working because it is built like a tank.

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  65. You want to see technology in sports? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Just give it a decade or two and we'll start seeing very radical departures from our current expectations for technology in sports. I'm talkin genetically-enhanced atheletes and cybernetics. While I think it will be cool as hell to see...it will certainly make us rethink the way sports are supposed to be played. Although personally I can't wait for the cybernetically/genetically-enhanced Extreme Fighting. Like that one movie with Jean-Claude Van Dam...forgetting the name of it now though.

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  66. F1 Cars by onthefenceman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Formula 1 is almost certainly a candidate for most technology dependent. In a sport where the best teams spend more than 5x the worst, results (championship points) can be correlated almost linearly with dollars spent. Testing, wind tunnel time, and engine control hardware and software all cost money. Not to mention the fact that if you can afford to throw away an engine at the end of a race rather than the end of a season, you can manufacture it closer to its theoretical limits and build in less of a safety margin. Ferrari, for instance, has Shell analyze its motor oil after every race. Depending on what type, size, and concentration of metal particles are found, different components are inspected or replaced.

    FIA, taking a page from NASCAR's playbook, is considering making drastic alterations to the rules of F1 to make the races more "viewer friendly" than recent seasons. Some of the things under consideration:

    -Increasing the number of races an engine must survive
    -Forcing all teams to use identical wings, brakes, or transmissons
    -Banning driver aides such as torque control or semi-auto shifting

    While I can see FIA's reasoning for considering these changes, I hope they do not go through. Even if all cars were identical, the wealthiest teams could still afford the best drivers and would therefore tend to finish better. Limiting budgets could be an option, allowing teams to invest in technologies they felt offered the most return on investment. My guess is that this is not under consideration because it would be too easy for teams to sneak in extra dollars in the form of corporate R&D or deals with suppliers.

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    1. Re:F1 Cars by MxTxL · · Score: 1

      No, What it *Should* be is that there all cars are identical and provided by the race authorities which are assigned to the drivers at random on race day.

      With something like this, it makes it a fair race since the only determining factor is driver skill and not team wealth.

      Will never happen, but would be cool.

    2. Re:F1 Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No driver would get into an F1 car unless he (and his team) knew every nut and bolt by heart. Even if all the cars are identical they will have varying levels of wear and pressure, even if they're brand new. So assigning cars at race day would never work.

    3. Re:F1 Cars by mph · · Score: 1
      No, What it *Should* be is that there all cars are identical and provided by the race authorities which are assigned to the drivers at random on race day.
      No. That's how you would run a racing formula that's designed as a driver-vs-driver competition. Formula 1 is the pinnacle of automotive technology; it's as much an engineering competition as a driving competition. That's not a flaw, but rather (to a great degree) its purpose, and one that should appeal to geeks! Within the formula (which specifies engine displacement, general form of the chassis, fuel, etc.), who can build the fastest car?

      There are other racing formulae that require more nearly identical cars, and that's great. There should be pure driver-vs-driver competition in motorsport. But there should also be engineer-vs-engineer competition as well, and this is what Formula 1 provides (albeit imperfectly).

    4. Re:F1 Cars by TymS · · Score: 1

      While I agree that F1 racing has benefitted greatly from advances in materials technology & design, there is another motor sport that would not exist without the present day advances in materials technology, engine efficency engineering, shock engineering, and most notably, CA-design: Monster Truck racing.

      While it was possible 10 years ago to jump a jacked-up truck over cars, today's MT can do 50+mph wheelstands over semi-truck trailers, and land, more than once! We're talking 5 tons of highly engineered vehicle, including 6' tires, repeatedly bouncing over things at speed.

  67. No more arguments by EasilyEnt · · Score: 1

    I can't think of anything having a more profound effect in sports than the first-down line they show during NFL games.

  68. Baseball Helmets by llamaluvr · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what the reason was - be it lack technology or just knoledge of what could happen, but 80-odd years ago, nobody thought much about head protection or body armor for batters. In 1920, Ray Chapman became the only major league player to die during a game when he was hit in the head with a pitch.

    Today, batting helmets are quite strong and very light. Sure, people get hit in the head with 100 MPH fastballs, and I'm sure it hurts, but nobody really worries about dying anymore because the equipment is so effective.

    While helmets are definitely necessary, I sometimes wonder about the benefits of all the body armor that batters wear now. Since virtually every tender surface that is exposed to the pitcher can be protected, hitters are crowding the plate more than ever. This wouldn't make a difference if pitchers could pitch inside like they used to be allowed to, but it seems like the MLB is really discouraging it. I remember in 1999, Indians pitcher Jaret Wright was called into the ML chief disiplinarian's office about his tendancy for hitting pitchers. Sure, Jaret has been injured a lot the last few years, but he never regained the confidence to pitch inside, and has been ineffective since.

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  69. SCUBA diving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even though they're not a recent development, dive computers make a huge difference. Most beginning divers have to learn the concept of dive tables developed by the US Navy. This is sensible and very much like learning the multiplication tables before being allowed to use a calculator.

    When used properly, the computers are an extra safety measure and help make the dives last longer without incurring unnecessary risks. I usually dive with 2 (Suunto Cobra air-integrated with compass for primary, Suunto Mosquito on my wrist for backup) and have enjoyed my diving much more since I got them.

  70. No power loss rear suspension mtn bikes by JasonB · · Score: 1

    This has been the 'holy grail' of mountain biking for some time now, and I think the technology is getting close. Since the introduction of rear suspensions in mtn bikes, purists have been criticizing the fact that a certain percentage of your pedaling power was being diverted to compressing the rear suspension.

    The first rear suspension frames (The 'Y' frames) were awful when it came to efficienctly tranferring power from pedal to the drivetrain. Most of these bikes had to be equipped with a switch that would lock out the rear suspension so that you could ride the bike up hills.

    Over the years, there have been many, many wacky frame designs that have tried to solve this problem. Based on the trends in frame designs over the past 3 years, I think the industry is nearing a solution. Examples of which can be seen:

    Ellsworth Truth
    Iron Horse
    Giant NRS

    Now if I only had the $2500 it would take to upgrade my 7-year old Gary Fisher Joshua, I would be all set.

  71. Pistols by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

    These are selling like hotcakes yet I can usually outshoot them with my Glock that costs half as much.

  72. Re: Love the italians! by GI+Joe+51 · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Coward, why focus purely on European countries, while inside the US, there is very well as much 'corruption', many athletes are so dedicated they will do anything to improve thier performance, be they male, female, white, black, gay, or any other characteristic, such as nationality as you were pushing, when in fact it makes no difference. As a high school tennis player, I will say on my level, the only real advancements for me are improved raquet design, allowing us to get maximum performance, and since we are not hitting any 100mph serves, I dont feel it takes away from the game at all.

  73. Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's the lobby of Framebuilders that prevented bikes built like this one or this one from being permitted to the Tour de France and other major events. Actually they lobbied to change the rules to prohibit these modern bicycles which literaly kick the living crap out of the old 'hunchback' designs.

    Talking about innovation and using all kinds of supermodern material may sound oh so cool and hip. But after more than 10 years after the first professional Windcheetahs still...

    1.) riding in a postion that's not only seriously unhealthy,...

    2.) grossly inefective in bringing your legpower to the street and into your movement,...

    3.) gives you the aerodynamics of a frigerator box,...

    4.) is near to unbearably uncomfortable...

    5.) and looks somewhat silly...
    ...causes me serious problems taking *any* hunchback riding those ancient-style, so-called 'racingbikes' serious and for granted. No matter how flashy they look in their silly candycolored trunks. On the contrary.

    The promoters and sponsors of the Tour de France and other races ought to be boykotted completely for their outright childish kiddiecrap traditionalisim.
    Sports technology? My ass. If you want innovation, go check the newest sneakers, but don't ask bike-racers.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Magura · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, it is a recumbent. I'm guessing you ride one, so you'll have 1001 reasons for riding it, but they all boil down to the fact you wasted your money on one.

      There are some of us that actually enjoy riding a bike, which means not just riding on the flat (which is about all a recumbent can do), but going up hills, down them (a very scary proposition on a 'bent) and across rough terrain (either off-road, or just city streets!). 'Bents have some nice properties, but regular style bicycles just work better across more situations.

      Get over it.

    2. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by schatten · · Score: 1

      Paul Van Valkenburg, an engineer/writer in motorsports would agree that motorsports should be all balls out in favor of innovation and technology instead of limitations. But there are safety concerns.

      But those are great bikes you mentioned and the points you made bring up another thought along the lines of PVV: why not have an open race where the requirements are 1) two wheels, 2) no power/electronics.

    3. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by superdan2k · · Score: 2

      1.) Nothing unhealthy about the upright position on a double-diamond frame as compared to a recumbent, if the upright bike is properly fitted to the rider.

      2.) Which is why recumbents climb slower than hell and I've never had a recumbent rider out-sprint me, right?

      3.) Just like a recumbent, when your chest is practically face-on to the wind, right? That's not very aerodynamic, either.

      4.) They're perfectly comfortable, again, if you get a bike that fits you properly. I've ridden 24-hour races, both on the road and on the mountain bike, and been *fine* the next day...legs a little sore from exertion, but my back/shoulders/neck were perfectly fine.

      5.) Silly-looking? You mean like riding a Barcalounger with wheels?

      I'd give up cycling before I rode a recumbent. You might as well be riding a sofa. Furthermore, all the technologies you use on your recumbent were pioneered on road bikes, mountain bikes, or lawn furniture first.

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    4. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Recumbents are fast, in specific conditions, with full faring, it's true. However, you'll never climb Alpe d'Huez as bast on a 'bent.

      I agree with you to some extent, however. If you ever read the story of Graeme Obree ("The flying Scotsman"), you'll understand. He invented two new riding positions and BUILT the bikes to accomodate them so he could challenge the world 1 hour record. He was faster, but the UCI declared his bikes illegal, and reverted the record and made sure that you could only use a double diamond shaped bike. Foolishness.

      Some things never change, but some things should change with the times. Materials are only part of the equation. Engineering, strategy and thought should apply just as greatly to the sport.

    5. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by dchamp · · Score: 1

      It is very true that a recumbent will not win the Tour, because they simply don't climb well. But that arguement is kind of like saying that a F1 car wouldn't do well in a Baja race.

      Recumbents are very nice for fairly flat riding, for commuting, and recreational riding. I have both traditional frame bikes and a recumbent (Vision R40). I love my mountain bike for off-road. I love my recumbent for street & paved trail riding.

      I live in Iowa, and there are a lot of greenbelt trails and "rails to trails" here, which are ideal for recumbent riding. They are very comfortable - I can ride just about all day on one, and not have any problems I would have on my traditional frame - yes some people do experience various pains on a traditional bike. I usually get numb hands / wrists, and pain in the shoulders & neck after exteneded traditional frame riding.

      On a recumbent, I sometimes get a pain in the achilles area, and in the quad right above the knee, but that's only after some seriously long riding, like after a few days of RAGBRAI

      So, you're right that recumbents won't replace racing bikes, but I think it would be great to see a recumbent racing division, on courses specifically suited to them.

      Oh, and down-hill on a recumbent is a blast. Yes, they do have less drag, even without a fairing. You can fly down hills, and it's not that scary / precarious once you learn how to handle one. Try going down hill on a recumbent towing a Bob trailer w/ 40 lbs of camping gear. That's some serious downhill speed. Uphill, 6 mph is about right...

    6. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Nyh · · Score: 1

      Well, I am using a recumbent bike on a daily basis, riding to my work. The bike, a Quest from Velomobiel.nl is a good example of (sports) innovation of a bike. It has a lot of huge advantages over a normal bike.

      1 It is damn fast on the flat. I do 50 km/h (=30 mp/h) for hours. I am willing to take on anyone on a racing bike (send in Lance Amstrong) for a hours race on a circuit and I will beat him. Aerodynamics is the all important factor in biking.
      2 I am good protected from rain and wind.
      3 It can take a lot of luggage (complete campingear or purchases for a week.

      Disatvantages

      1 It is quite expensive.
      2 It has a turning circle comparable to a car.
      3 It is heavy.
      4 It is huge for a bike.

      What about mountains? I don't know, I have never raced with it in the mountains. I wont be a good clibing bike because climbing is all about the weight to power ratio. But the bike will be very fast going down. I do know of some recumbent bikers beating the hell out of racingbikers at the Classique Genevoise race in Geneva. Doing the 80 km's in 1:49:47, 10 minutes faster as the fastest racing bike.

      Nyh

    7. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by mmurphy000 · · Score: 1
      3.) Just like a recumbent, when your chest is practically face-on to the wind, right? That's not very aerodynamic, either.
      But:
      • you have a much smaller cross section -- even on a road bike with aero bars, your legs alone are more vertical (perpendicular to the direction of motion) than your entire body is on a 'bent.
      • you're in a better position for air flows -- on an upright (double-diamond), you're acting more like a sail

      Of course, not all 'bents are created equal. My current one is a Bike Friday folder, and I'm not leaning back that far. Others, such as the ones the OP linked to, are more aggressively leaned back.

      4.) They're perfectly comfortable, again, if you get a bike that fits you properly.

      As others have suggested, this probably varies by individual. And, I venture that it is easier for somebody to be comfortable in an off-the-shelf 'bent than in an off-the-shelf road bike. Personally, road bikes give me back problems, and all uprights...well, let's just say that after 50 miles, I feel like the saddle has to be surgically removed from my posterior. Neither poses a problem for me on 'bents.

      5.) Silly-looking? You mean like riding a Barcalounger with wheels?
      My favorite 'bent moment came when pedaling down the C&O Canal in Washington DC (which, being dirt-pack, ain't exactly prime 'bent territory, but I digress). A guy in a canoe in the middle of the canal shouted "I think I could fall asleep in one of those!"... :-)
    8. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by sad_ · · Score: 1

      These bikes are nice, but they are not suited for races. they might be interesting rides for you, your mom and dad, but the only advantage you will get out of it is on a flat road.
      one big drawback of these things is you cannot 'stand' in your 'pedals' (i have no clue how to say this in english), this prevents you from putting _all_ your power in your wheels. important in two conditions; going uphill (or rather upmountain) and sprinting (not only important at the finish line, but also for escaping the 'peleton').
      again you may think, it's okay because you will go faster downhill, but you are wrong and would not recommend going downhill at the same speed with that bike as the cyclists do in competition.
      lastly, it is impossible to make decent turns with those bikes, the cyclists go really 'deep' sometimes (much like in motosport), i can't see you do that with such a bike.

      ps: i think it is the 100th tour and not the 90th.

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    9. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot more to being good in Tour de France than just having a fast bike. There is also a lot of tactics involved. Tactics is a large part of what makes bicycling interesting to watch.

      The reason there is so much tactics, is that a riders speed is not just a function of how good a rider he is, it also depends upon other riders. For example when riding in a group the rider in the front, will be most heavely influenced by the wind and the others will be able to "relax".

      If your allow bikes with much better aerodynamics you will therefore also deminish some of the tactics involed in bike racing. And thereby make bycicling much less interesting to watch.

      That said, one could allow more modern bikes on stages when the riders must ride alone, such as the prologue.

    10. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Lproven · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that's just plain flat-out WRONG in every single aspect.

      I ride recumbents and I ride uprights. For offroading, an upright MTB is better, and my commuter bike is a folding upright. It folds faster and smaller to something more portable than any 'bent.

      But for road riding, hill riding, country riding, city riding, anything involving distance or speed, recumbents are better, faster, easier, comfier, safer and more fun.

      Yes, you can't stand on the pedals. That's what gears are for. Two weeks ago I climbed a 864' hill in ¾ mile with no problem. I've gone up mountains before now, no problem. Doesn't matter if it's a short, steep slope or ten miles of steady climb. You don't need to honk.

      And the 'bent will make the upright look like the pathetic historical toy it is on the downside of that hill. I've had an upright up to 55mph downhill and it was unstable as hell - truly scary. I've had my cheap, unfaired folding 'bent over 76mph downhill and it was solid, well planted and felt safe. With a racing machine, I could have added 5-10mph to that, no problem - and I am not an athlete.

      Braking is better, because of the stability and low centre of gravity. You are not going to flip one of these things forward over its front wheel.

      You can't honk. You can press back against the seat, though, and get just as much leverage that way - MORE than your body weight.

      Honking is fast up hills, but a well-set-up bent is a good, competent hill-climber. On a racing ascent, it might be slightly slower. But at all other times you have a major advantage.

      Uprights are a speciality tool for speciality rôles. For general cycling, road or track, recumbents have been the way to go for a century, and only tradition and obsolete sports rules have held them back.

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      Liam P. ~ "Intelligence is a lethal mutation." (me)
    11. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Anonymous+Codger · · Score: 1

      -1 Flamebait. I ride both recumbent and upright. The upright is my commuting and errand-running bike. I can't ride the thing more than a few miles due to a back injury, so I use the recumbent for my long, fast weekend rides.

      Going downhill is scary on a bent? You've never ridden one, obviously. If I ever go down a mountain highway at 60 mph on a bicycle, I want to be on a long-wheel-base recumbent or a modern stretched short-wheel-base like a Bacchetta or a Barcroft. It's like riding on rails.

      As for uphills, the newer highracers like Bacchetta, Volae, and Vision Sabre can climb with the best of the uprights.

      When I see cyclists flaming each other's choice of ride I just wish they would grow up. I love uprights, and I love recumbents. They both have their place.

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    12. Re:Professional racing *PREVENTS* bike-innovation! by Zoxed · · Score: 1

      > I'm guessing you ride one

      And by your comments I'm guessing you've *never* ridden one :-)

      Regards, Simon

  74. skating by blisspix · · Score: 1

    figure skating boot technology has not changed in around 50 years now. Sure, the new boots are now heat mouldable, so you throw them in an oven and they fit better, but they don't work any different from decades ago.

    Some blade companies have slightly changed the design of toepicks or whatever, but the basic shape is the same from even 100 years ago.

    There was some talk a few years ago that the current technology will see an end to innovation in the sport, with the weight of the boots and blades preventing further advances in jumping.

    And furthermore, the boots break down fast and can be quite dangerous, with athletes prone to hip, back and ankle injuries due to stiff, heavy landings compacted by boots that are absolutely unforgiving.

  75. As a geek and a cyclist... by ragnar · · Score: 1

    I do a fair bit of cycling and road racing, and I would credit equipment with very little of my success or failure. Like most things, at the elite level every fraction of a percentage matters, but the biggest determination of speed and success lies in the engine. Put Lance Armstrong on an old beater bike and he will still clean my clock no matter what bike I ride.

    Some sports do have a bigger technology divide. Professional sports car racing is one example I can think of. There is a mostly consistent relationship between team funding and team success, but in cycling no one is losing races because they couldn't afford a better bike. In fact, bicycle manufacturers are falling over themselves to give bikes to pro teams for the exposure and endorsement.

    I must say though, I do enjoy the technological advancement of the sport. Most of it is snake oil, but every once in a while something comes along that really changes things, like clipless pedals or earo bars. Here's to Lance winning!

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  76. Retro fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Admittedly, increases in bicycle technology have improved many aspects of the sport. However, at times it seems to interfere with the simple pleasure of riding.

    A fixie removes the derailleurs and shifters. The drive train is direct drive. See Fixed Gear for the Road for many details.

    Riding a fixed gear bicycle gives a unique riding experience, unadulterated by any technology issues. Without going into too much detail, it's extremely pleasurable to strip away some of the technology and really feel the essence of bicycling.

    Plus, it's fun to think about someone trying to steal your bike!

  77. As a Fan.. by stickyc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How have advances in sports technology enhanced your own performance and enjoyment of sport?

    As a sports fan, the greatest advancement in technology has to be TiVo. I'd say my viewing and appreciation of sports has increased at least by a factor of 3 with the convenience of "automatic" time shifting and TiVo's powerful review abilities.

    I now understand what "delayed offsides" is in hockey, "tail braking" is in motorcycling, and why the move from filament to LED starting bulbs on drag racing tracks is throwing the scoring system into chaos.

    1. Re:As a Fan.. by redback · · Score: 1

      and why the move from filament to LED starting bulbs on drag racing tracks is throwing the scoring system into chaos.

      Care to explain?

    2. Re:As a Fan.. by stickyc · · Score: 1
      Maybe I should have said "the predictability of the scoring system". The way I worded it made it sound like the downfall of western civilization :)

      LED's come on much quicker than filament bulbs, so those racers who've become experts at timing their starts from when the filament of the green light just begins to glow are having all kinds of problems adjusting to the instant-on of LED.

      Most racing leagues are points based, with all of the top finishers at any given race getting some kind of points. So it's possible to miss a race and still maintain a points lead if you're consistent elsewhere.

      Since some tracks have made the switch and others not, the consistency of racers winning at certain tracks and not others has changed.

      Sure, it's still about who crosses the finish line first, but the LED trees have changed the predictability of who wins where.

  78. Hockey Equipment... by Bun · · Score: 1

    ...is better than it's ever been. My new skates give me flexibility and support that just wasn't available when I was a kid. My composite stick really does add power to my shot. The shin pads/helmet/pants/etc. you can buy these days offer better protection while being lighter than what was available only 10 years ago. But I don't think any of that has really added to the enjoyment of the game. It was just as much fun to play then as it is now. I'm sure that's true with all the sports. As long as you can join in on the game, that's all that matters.

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    "Anyone that has ever gotten an idea based on any of my work and done something better with it-good for you."--J.Carmack
  79. OLN Streams Windows-Only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we talk about this a minute? All streams are for Windows. Not only does this suck, it's anti-competitive. Please write OLN and point out the error of their ways.

    Thanks

    AC

  80. Knee Braces by glassmonkey · · Score: 1

    I tore my left ACL skiing in 1988. I was given a heavy and bulky brace.
    It was fine for keeping my knee from rotating, but was a great hinderance in raquetball. The plastic hinge cover would fall off and the hinge would tear holes in my right leg.
    Not having learned my lesson, I tore my right ACL skiing in 2000. This time, I was given an new carbon fiber Don Joy (www.donjoy.com) brace.
    Though I probobly won't go skiing again, I can play other cutting sports without the weight or bulk while retaining the stability and mobility.

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    "When Stalin says dance, a wise man dances" Nikita Kruschev
  81. New technology isn't always accepted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems as if the UCI doesn't like change as much as it seems - banning new cycling technology from races - for instance my Softride couldn't be used in the tour de france, i guess this technology (http://www.softride.com/bike/advantages.asp) is too much of a change for the UCI races.

    1. Re:New technology isn't always accepted by ggroth · · Score: 1

      Softride has been around for over 10 years, so I wouldn't call it new. Beam suspension is not a new technology either. Here's a velocipede from 1842 with a similar design. Granted it's not carbon fiber, and it's connected to the frame on both ends, but it's not an idea that I would call an advancement as much as a refinement.

  82. Sport, what's sport? by tumutbound · · Score: 1

    I think the biggest technical advance that has affected my sports experience is the TV remote control. Now any time anything resembling sports appears on TV, I can change channels WITHOUT GETTING UP!

  83. Bodybuilding! by Lobo93 · · Score: 1

    Yeah! Nothing wrong with your eyes and yes, this is the *real* /.!

    Since nature decided 8 years ago that conjoining a geek with bodybuilding seemed like a Good Idea©, I've been hoisting iron in Good Faith©. And a true bodybuilder sneers at the concept of "new technology"; barbells and dumbells r0xx0rs!

    Seriously, I doubt any other sport has such resentment to employing new devices in order to advance the sport. The two latest Mr. Olympia has left no doubts as to how and with what equipment they're using to excel in this brutal sport. Especially Dorian Yates has been an advocate of using old-school methods championed by Mike Mentzer with brief sets and reps, and using only basal equipment. I prefer this as well, but include machines which surpass the dum/bar-bell routines with respect to isolation-movements.

    On the other hand, when drugs are concerned, bodybuilding is on the bleeding edge; sad but true...

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    "The only clear view is from atop the mountain of our dead selves." - Peter Carroll
  84. Snowboarding; step in bindings by Zero_Independent · · Score: 1

    Step in bindings are great. I have really crappy ones that take longer than strap ins but for everyone else they seem to work fine. Stay away from Ride bindings.

  85. tech in sports by awarnack · · Score: 1

    "Technology is great for sports... Just look what it did for me!" -- Sammy Sosa on corked bats

  86. Skydiving by Synn · · Score: 1

    Skydiving today has computers that can automatically open your reserve parachute for you if you get knocked out: http://www.cypres-usa.com/

    Also the refinement/design of the parachute containers has made the sport safer than ever.

    On the flip side, CAD and laser cutting have transformed parachute canopies into high speed extremely manueverable wings that can be very dangerous to fly without good training. I wouldn't be suprised if in another 10 years more people died under a perfectly good parachutes than those that died because they couldn't get one out. It's almost at that point today.

    1. Re:Skydiving by CvD · · Score: 1

      Yep, definitely. Also the introduction of Vectran lines which are thinner and thus provide less drag. Stainless steel hardware on rigs is great because it is strong and durable, and doesn't get rough edges which can fray the fabric on your harness.

      I'd say the biggest benefits in the parachuting industry are from materials science and electronics.

      Like the parent said, most accidents today happen under perfectly good parachutes, where the material used is no longer at fault, rather the pilot.

      Cheers,

      Costyn.

      p.s. Synn, you a skydiver, eh?

  87. I like carbon fibre... by Timbo · · Score: 1

    ...on my mountain bike. The rear linkage is 6061 Aluminium. I love this frame, it continually impresses me how fast you can change direction in the rough stuff. The suspension design also lends itself towards minimal energy loss while climbing -- you'd swear you were on a hardtail sometimes.

  88. Unfortunately, the weight of your bike lock... by jrst · · Score: 1

    ...is still inversely proportional to the weight of your bike. Alas, with all this progress, all bikes still weigh 50 pounds:
    - A 49-pound bike requires a 1-pound lock.
    - a 1-pound bike requires a 49-pound lock.

  89. Bowling Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd be amazed at how bowling ball technology has changed in the last 30 years. Ball have gone from hard rubber, to plastic, to polyurethane, to reactive resin, and now to resin balls with particles of mica or other solid materials embeded in the surface for extra traction. All these innovations make the ball slide longer and hook harder, so pin carry is much better than it used to be. A perfect game used to be a rarity for any but the very best bowlers, now they occur frequently among good league bowlers. The typical recreational bowler who throws the ball straight has not been affected by this technology, but the typical leage bowler who throws a mild to heavy hook has seen averages increase by 10 to 20 pins per game.
    It used to be unusual for a league to have more than one or two bowlers who averaged over 200. Today many good amateur bowlers average over 220.

  90. Hockey Sticks by jimmyCarter · · Score: 1

    Hockey equipment, like equipment in most sports has been evolving for a good while. For instance, sticks used to be of the all-wood variety. These were great and all anyone had ever known until Easton came out with an aluminum shaft (this still required a wooden blade). This new shaft made the overall weight of the stick lighter, while also adding beneficially to the flex and other properties of the stick. Some old-school types complained that they couldn't get the same "feel" for the puck with the new sticks and that may have been somewhat valid, but the increase in shot velocity with the new sticks was just too much to turn down. As recently as the last couple of years, a new type of stick was introduced by Easton - a one piece composite. Super-light and very responsive. These composite one-pieces are now adding 10% more speed to the shot of every player that uses them.

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    -- jimmycarter
    1. Re:Hockey Sticks by Darwin_Frog · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, they're also adding far more broken hockey sticks to the game - this last Stanley Cup was literally littered with pieces of player's sticks.

    2. Re:Hockey Sticks by jimmyCarter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree it's unfortunate. It really stood out in the playoffs this year. Hopefully they'll have the durability locked down soon.

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      -- jimmycarter
  91. Best technology by far by graybeard · · Score: 1

    The wireless remote control.
    A huge addition to my enjoyment of sport.

  92. Skate boarding by oldskuul · · Score: 1

    I've been riding skateboards for over 15 years and there has been little technological change in the boards themselves. There has been more of a slow evolution. The shapes of the boards have changed a good bit, more concave, steeper tails and noses, symetrical front and rear... I got back in after an absence of about 3 years and EVERYTHING had changed just a little bit. All of those small differences did make a big difference. The boards are still made of the same hard rock Canadian maple though. The wheel bases got shorter, the wheels got smaller, not to mention all of the new skateparks we get to ride now. Not just the equipment is changeing in sports, the arenas are changeing as well.

  93. Technology and Sports by whorfin · · Score: 1

    The incredible advances in technology in the last 20 years that have made my 56 inch television possible, and have allowed the NBA League Pass and NFL Sunday Ticket to be beamed into my home have greatly improved my enjoyment of sport.

    Top it off with internet Fantasy Sports that I monitor with my wireless notebook while I'm lounging in the comfy chair eating a pizza I ordered with my cell phone and drinking the beer I bought at my online grocer, and technology has been a true boon.

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  94. 90th and/or Centenary Tour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the centenary (100th anniversary, first run in 1903) Tour de France this year, which would seem to trump it's being the 90th running of the Tour for the purposes of headline writing, even on /.

  95. I too have a boomslang. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    It's been shelved, the microswitch on Button1 died.. but it's fixable.

    I don't find the same things happen, at all.. I did on the first MS Intellimouse Opticals.. but I can lift my logitech opticals no problem..... as for sensitivity.... I found the razor not really that much more sensitive. I can execute all the same manoevers with my logitech dual optical that I could with the boomslang.

    I can turn or reposition the mouse with no more error than I got with the boomslang.

    In all honesty, I would use the boomslang if the button worked again.. but probably only cause it's weird, and I blew a hundred bucks on it.

    1. Re:I too have a boomslang. by Telastyn · · Score: 1

      That died on me too, though after sitting for a little bit it started working again, spring just got caught somewhere or something.

      Logitech dual optical you say? hrm, perhaps I'll look into it if this mouse dies and razer hasn't gotten back on their feet yet.

  96. Columbia balloon tires by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

    My bike is a Columbia. It has balloon tires, and when I traced it's serial number on the web, it came up as being manufactured in 1967.

    It has coaster brakes and the handlebar is rusty.

    I do need to get a light on it somewhere. Here in central Indiana I am finding the drivers are idiots who pay little attention to bicycles. This is the f*cking jalopy republic part of the country, it seems. I suppose I could make it a flashing LED light. I wouldn't want to spoil a classic Columbia bike with too much tech, though.

    Coaster brakes rule. If I wanted a bike that wasn't excercize to ride, I suppose I'd get some ultralight thing that I could make monthly payments on.

  97. Only one way to improve water polo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    keep improving swimsuit design so they cant be pulled off

  98. technology in training by __aarrap2489 · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the technology used in the training regimen that athletes use today. Technology has created advances in areas of sports science including biomechanics, motion analysis and nutrition among others. These advances have been the major factor in the number of records being broken and re-broken in every sport over the last decade.

    Think about how Babe Ruth would have fared going up against Roger Clemens or Sammy Sosa. Not well. Or another babe, Babe Zaharious playing tennis against Serena Williams...ugly. This is the reason all comparison of records uses the term "the modern era" for recent achievements.

    Of course, performance enhancing drugs like androstenedione (a testosterone booster) are often cited as being a major 'contributor' to baseball and other sports today, but this isn't true in all cases. Lance Armstrong doesn't use anything and he has won 4 Tour de France races in a row.

  99. Bikes are so f*cking passe.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..get over it you prickless fop. Buy an SUV and get with the pogrom.

  100. Technology v. Tradition by Tanjou · · Score: 1

    I study kendo, and the bogu (the armor) that employs plastics and nylon and more modern materials are much cheaper and less desirable than bogu that are constructed of bamboo slats, ray skin, and leather. The plastic bogu are fine for beginners, but more experienced and dedicated kendoists prefer the traditional material, even though it requires more upkeep. This is the inverse of sports such as cycling, i.e. more technology, the better.
    There are carbon fiber shinai (the bamboo sword) available, but many experienced kendoists still prefer a handmade bamboo shinai, which is still cheaper than the carbon fiber shinai.
    Technology is helpful and promoted vigorously in many sports, but some retain tradition and focus on improving the person rather than the equipment.

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  101. recumbent by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > With the 90th Tour de France starting today, it is
    > fun to marvel at the improvement of road bike
    > technology over the years.

    Come on, now. We all know that the UCI blocked the last important improvement of bicycle technology in 1934. All that has happened since is minor incremental change and numerous broken necks.

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  102. snowboards and mass customization by NFW · · Score: 1
    Snowboard technology stabilized in the early 90s (vertically laminated wood cores, steel edges, radial sidecuts, cap or sidewall construction, etc, all basically like wide skis with tight sidecut radii). Then the progression in snowboard design seemed to reach a plateau - new gimmicks were introduced, and they sold boards, but didn't make much difference.

    But in the last few years, a few shops have popped up that will make boards to order. Now you can pick your length, width, sidecut radius, and flex pattern (and how much do you weigh?), and get a board made to order, for not much more than a production board. The freeride and freestyle people haven't taken much advantage of this, but the carvers and racers totally have.

    Donek - kind of expensive, but they have a dedicated following among carvers

    Prior - also lurking beneath the brand-name logos of various professional racers

    Coiler - inexpensive, perhaps because of the Canadian dollar, and they kick much ass

    CustomCraft - only custom shop I know of that mostly builds freestyle and freeride boards

    The technology of the boards themselves isn't revolutionary, the cool thing is the technology that lets these builders give you a high-quality made-to-order board at a totally reasonable cost.

    I have no affiliation with any of the above companies, but I do have an alpine board from Coiler and an alpine/freeride hybrid from CustomCraft. Both have saved me the trouble of searching through piles of catalogs to find a board with the specs I want, and both have given me the confidence to push my envelope further, after 15 years of riding mass-produced boards.

    If you want to play with the numbers before having a board built, I have a web-based calculator that you might get a kick out of.

    Gotta run. There's a lot to be said about snowboard binding development too, maybe later.

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  103. Trail shoes by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 1

    I like to run trail marathons and can attest to the great strides Montrail and others have made with specific trail running gear that is distinguished from the already excellent selection of road running shoes.

  104. Re:Climbing(i apoligize for not explaining jargon) by Neutron+Bob · · Score: 1

    No, not really.

    Even 25 years ago hard stuff was being sent, i think the FA on Midnight Lightning (V8/9) came in the late 70's or early 80's when the rest of climbing was stuck in the 5.11 and 5.12 range. The think that held roped climbing back was far from technology. To sport climbing as we know it, there has not been any advance in technology in 50 years that has advanced the sport to unknown limits.

    The thing that allowed climbing to progress more than anything was a change in ethics. Back in the 70's and 80's it was considered cheating to use bolts and draws as a form of protection, so a lot of hard routes were done trad style. The primary reason was the unsighlyness of the bolts, but also because some people have trouble letting go. Also the way we work routes, hanging at each move we can't get until we figure it out was considered cheating too. People used to try a route once and if they fell, lowered all of the way to the ground to try it again. At this point in time that was the only way to get a true 'redpoint', hanging until you could get the move earned you the label a 'hangdog' and any send you eventually could get was called a 'pinkpoint'. Chalk wasn't widely used until the 80's because it was considered to have unsightly consequences just like bolting, and is still banned in some places (skeleton cave, OR for example)

    Bouldering however, the moves were still as hard, but there were no silly things holding people back from thier potential. Since climbing became what it is now, it has been advanced by an elite cadre of freaks of nature who can do one arm pull-ups off of thier pinky fingures. **cough**fred**cough** and it'd be silly to think that anyone could climb that hard.

  105. Re:Fencing--Mod parent up by jrst · · Score: 1

    That's a great example of where technology can have a really bad effect on a sport.

    I loved fencing in a previous life. But I really hated electrics for the reasons you state... strategy went out the window and every engagement seemed to turn into a kamikaze blitz.

    My only solace is that if it had been real swordplay, I might have come away with a few nicks, but my opponents would have looked they had been run through a Quisinart. (damn that was fun. and i'm one of those pr*cks who always used a *really* stiff blade. :)

  106. Re:It's all about medicine... by JabezTheHutt · · Score: 1

    hardly a troll, a friend of mine decided not to go pro to avoid having to take drugs

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  107. Excellent skis from every manufacturer by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 1

    These days you can get excellent skis from every vendor at every price range. If you don't care for parabolics (yes, they will slow you down), K2 in particular is still pushing long straight skis. Personally I am an Atomic snob - excellent feel, nice turning, and fast at the 198 length.

  108. Advances? by stubear · · Score: 1

    Who needs 'em. I'm still using my Burton Woody and loving it. I have no interest in the new freestyle trick boards, I just want to do straight alpine boarding, no frills. I've thought about getting a Burton Fish but this is the first year they have a large enough one available for me.

  109. Tech has changed my sport totally... by Goonie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I play field hockey. I've been playing for 17 (I think) years now, and I've seen how technology has revolutionised the game, mostly for the better but not always.

    The biggest change to the game occurred in the mid-1970's with the introduction of astroturf hockey fields instead of grass fields. These became common in club-level hockey by about 1985. The introduction of a predictable surface made possible a lot of things that were impossible to do reliably before - stretching the stick out horizontally, on both the "forestick" (right) and "backstick" (left) sides, to trap the ball, evading players by dragging the ball from left to right, faster passing as players needed much less time to control the ball before laying off the pass, and far greater accuracy in passing and hitting.

    Just about every other piece of hockey equipment has changed in response. The balls changed from leather to plastic, and dimples were added. Goalkeeping gear was completely revolutionised, with cricket-style pads replaced with huge foam numbers which are great on synthetic fields but would not survive long on muddy grass. However, the greatest changes occurred in stick design.

    On grass fields, sticks were designed to have a fairly wide, flat head. This was great for controlling the ball on a bumpy grass field, but was totally unsuitable for swivelling the stick around to drag the ball from left to right - not to mention horizontal-stick trappings (with the old style sticks the ball would often sail straight under the gap formed by the head of the stick on the ground when this was attempted). So the long, flat heads were replaced with a short, stubby surface.

    Around the same time, somebody figured out that a stiffer stick hit the ball more efficiently than a less stiff model, and the wood sticks were gradually reinforced with a succession of materials, starting with fibreglass, then proceeding through various fibreglass/kevlar/carbon fibre composites, and so on. Soon, the only wood left in these sticks was in the heads, which at the time was required by law. Easton even released an aluminium stick featuring replacable heads, which was banned after a couple of seasons on (exaggerated) safety grounds. A rule change saw the emergence of pure composite sticks, which is what I play with now. Even a mug like me can hit the ball extremely hard with one, and the top international players strike the ball at upwards of 100 mph - and remember, a hockey ball is heavier and harder than a baseball or cricket ball. Despite the faster ball speed, the synthetic surface has meant that the ball is far more trappable now than back in the pre-synthetic days.

    Then, there are the subsidiary technologies. Instead of playing in studded football boots, we wear astroturf shoes, which are much more comfortable and provide much better shock absorption. Our shin pads have improved tremendously. Even the clothing is more comfortable than when I began.

    There are a couple of downsides to the changes, though. The first is that with the faster ball speed, defending "penalty corners" has become much more dangerous than it used to be (the game is still relatively safe, compared to many other sports). The second is the massive cost of the facilities and gear. A top-of-the-range hockey stick costs 150 USD or so, and lasts about a season. Goalkeeping gear now costs over 1000 USD. A synthetic field, even the cheaper "sand-based synthetic" fields, costs about 300,000 USD to set up initially, and needs to be resurfaced about once a decade at a cost of about half that, if I recall correctly. An international-standard "water-based" field costs about 750,000 USD. Considering that very few players can play professionally, it is one of the most expensive team sports there is.

    But would I go back to the old days of grass fields? Once every so often for a hit-and-giggle game, maybe. But full-time? Not on your life.

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  110. Frame materials by driptray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea that a steel frame will flex and therefore be more comfortable on bumpy roads is a complete myth. Frames do flex, but hardly at all in the vertical plane. Any microscopic vertical flex that does occur would be impossible to differentiate from the much greater flex of the tyres, saddle, and handlebar tape.

    The only possible way in which a steel frame may be more comfortable than aluminium (all other things being equal) is if there is some difference in the way it vibrates.

    1. Re:Frame materials by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, mod this up. Stell transmits vibrations differently, but the way the frame is constructed is more a factor in frame flex than material.

      The technology is really in how the tubes are made these days. By making the tubes ovalized, bi-ovalized, thinning the wall thickness in the middle of the tube where fewer stresses apply, etc., the weight of bikes has dropped, while making them stronger and stiffer at the same time.

      Look at old pictures of the tour. The had to fix their own bikes back then (frames, forks and all), to the extent that one participant was disqualified for having someone work the bellows while he re-forged his fork. I'm happy that technology works even for me as a cyclist. :)

    2. Re:Frame materials by steveha · · Score: 1

      I am not a materials scientist, but here is what my expert bicyclist friend told me:

      Aluminum is much more at risk for metal fatigue than steel or titanium. Because of this, the manufacturer does not dare design an aluminum frame that flexes, at all. Thus alumnium frames have to be designed to soak up shock without flexing (perhaps by adding carbon fiber stays and fork).

      Steel and titanium frames can be designed to allow flexing to soak up road vibration.

      Titanium can flex just about forever without fatiguing; it's just all-around strong and flexible. Its only real negative against steel is the cost.

      You say that frames don't flex significantly, but in my experience different frames feel different when you ride them.

      steveha

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    3. Re:Frame materials by styrotech · · Score: 1

      The only possible way in which a steel frame may be more comfortable than aluminium (all other things being equal) is if there is some difference in the way it vibrates.

      I think that's the gist of it. I'm not a good enough cyclist (mountain biking) yet to really tell, but I can feel a similar effect with my windsurfing masts.

      The carbon fibre content of a mast determines it's response time - ie the time is takes to flick back to it's orginal shape after flexing. A carbon fibre mast of the same stiffness as an old fibreglass model has about half the response time. While being lighter (and that's good), it's mainly the faster response time for carbon that made the old fibreglass ones obselete.

      With bikes, I suspect it's the slower response time of steel that makes them more comfortable rather than them being more flexible.

  111. Weightlifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, there hasn't been much technelogical developement in weightlifting. Its just the athlete, a solid surface to lift on, shoes that have no give, the bar and the weights. Not much you can improve on. In fact the only way technology is udes in weightlifting is weighing the athletes and running the clock.

  112. Re:Skiing (Telemark boots) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The advent of plastic boots for telemark skis has gone far to explosively repopularize the sport among Europeans, and Americans as well.

    The leather boots, replaced by their plastic counterparts which were unbeknownst to the market even a _decade_ ago, were ill-fit for serious skiing. The new boots are quite comfortable and vastly superior by measures of performance.

    It is interesting that the Norwegian Sondres Norheim developed the telemark binding and turn some centuries ago, but it is only modern sports technology which has proliferated its use.

  113. What's next... by Keebler71 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No kidding, what's next? A /. story on dating?

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  114. Reeaaaallllyyyy! by sharkey · · Score: 1
    I have traded up from heavy steel to aluminum, and now carbon fiber, ending up with a bike far better than its rider.

    The new Employee of the Month is..... This inanimate Carbon Rod!

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  115. Sports medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when I raced seriously (15 years ago), the best advice one could find in the public domain was, "Ride this way this much of your training schedule, then this other way this much, then that way. Eat lots of carbohydrates. Schedule some recovery time." I always forgot that last part.

    Nowadays, Lance Armstrong weighs each meal during the season, and his coach knows exactly how much power (scientifically measured, not some armchair term) he can exert for how long, how much impact that effort has on his musculature and how much on his cardiovascular system. His time trial bike, equipment and position are all wind-tunnel tested. Lance KNOWS how fast he can expect to ride over which part of the course for how long, and uses tactics to decide when to attack. His year-round training and racing schedule is targetted directly at the Tour de France, to maximize his physical potential in July.

    Other riders do the same, but Lance does it best. All this knowledge is available to any athlete with enough money. (I hear one can get a VO2Max test for $25.)

    Oh yes, those integrated brake and shift levers, and high-performance clincher road tires, are keen!

  116. motorcycle racing by ralphus · · Score: 1

    Has gotten extreme technological gains over the years. The top GP bikes have engine management systems to rival F1 cars, carbon fibre rotors, fuel mapping that can be changed by the rider on the track to alter HP delivery. Even motorcycle tires that race at daytona have two seperate compounds on each side of the tire. One is for the large bank, and one is for the rest of the infield course. Even the ducati I bought this year has a computer with lap timer and data recorder built into the bike. it can even interface with a trackside IR lap timer. The tech that was available 5 years ago to the pro team is now available for the amaetur racer.

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  117. Not all bad.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    They haven't. Sometimes, they've made it worse. Sports and challenges in general are best when there's as few things involved as possible.

    Sorry to hear this. My experiences have been varied, but mostly when it's bad it's because I don't understand the choices I need to make for new technology to work best. In example, I used to play a wicked game of tennis with a 20 year old wood racket. Then I (stupidly) gave it away when I got a graphite racket. The strings were loose enough in the wooden model to afford greater control at a cost in speed. The lighter graphite model was very tight and I gained a lot of speed, but lost considerable control. Simple solution is just to have the string loosened a little.

    My experience with bicycles is much more influenced by larger gaps in technology. My road bike (in pieces atm and soon to be replaced) is an 1988 Fuji Tivoli. CroMo frame, some fussy components, but pretty good for when it sold. It weighs in at a hefty 25 lbs, but is a far cry lighter than its predecessor, a Schwinn varsity which probably was in the 50+ lb ballpark. The Schwinns comp group was so weak I wore it out or mangled it in about 3 weeks of hard pounding. The Fuji fared better, thanks to better alloys and better quality. Cost adjusted for inflation both probably were about the same expense.

    About 5 years later I picked up a Cannondale Delta V600, hardtail mountain bike w/headshock. The first real techy set of wheals, aircraft aluminum frame and a decent comp set. I still ride this, after some upgrading and it's still a very competitive bike. The only thing I'd change is more front suspension, as when I bought it I lived in flat-as-a-pancake Saginaw Valley. Now I live in the Santa Cruz area and climb (and descend) real mountains. Santa Rosalia, 2600' vertical gain is a favorite and I wouldn't dream of doing it with a heavier bike. I could strip a few pounds with some carbon/Ti replacements, but for 10 years old it's still a competent ride for a decent climb. Much better with a few of Shimano's advances (though I'm a bit miffed by their 5 to 4 bolt crankset change, goodbye old 5 bolt spares...)

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  118. Thanks by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    Thanks for being someone that loves bikes so much that they take the time to teach others about cycling. I found a local bike store with people like you, and I'm ten times the cyclist that I used to be. Without people like you encouraging and teaching, the poseurs get tired of their four kilobuck bikes and hang them up in the garage after a season of not getting Lance Armstrong fast.

    1. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I always feel so intimidated walking into these places. I know nothing about, say, biking, and it's very obvious. So it's always good to find a place that makes you feel comfortable, even if you're not Toure de France calibre, and people who will answer your questions and make suggestions.

      Usually you look into these stores and you a bunch of buff/fit staff and clientelle, and I'm no slouch, but certainly not in that league (real bike stores), or you see a bunch of fit staff and yuppie clientelle (yuppie bike store). In the first case you feel completely silly walking in, in the second you know you're getting ripped off, but at least you don't look so much out of place.

    2. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...which is great, because eventually they get around to selling their fantastic bikes for $500 or so in the want-ads.

      The coolest road bike innovations are clipless pedals and integrated brake/shift levers.

  119. Ever Hear of Boralyn? (sp?) by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Univega, several years back, announced a Boron Carbide (that's ceramic for non mat-sci folks) frame. I haven't seen one, having heard these were in the 5 figure range when they were to hit the streets. One bike mag assembled a cycle with all the latest ultra light comps and built a bike which weighed in at ~11 lbs.

    Boron Carbide (CB4) was a classified defense material for years, probably for radar invisibility or some such. Lots of neat stuff which used to be classified has made it to the consumer market, which has been very good, for the choices it has allowed.

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  120. It's Not About the Bike... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Believe it or not, there are still climbing and time trial records from 30 years ago that still stand today. The only technological improvements that have really mattered in a race like the TdF are index shifting and aerobars. Index shifting helps the sprinters and aerobars help the time trials. But the basics of climbing mountains have been unchanged for a long time. Whenever Lance Armstrong is asked about his place in tour history, he always defers to the greats like Eddy Merckx and Miguel Indurain. Merckx was especially amazing, because he didn't just win tours like Lance, he also won the classics in the same year. The new bikes are really nifty, but they haven't really changed anything. Every time I've ever raced, I've been beaten by someone on an older bike, and I'm pretty fast.

  121. Drugs by olrik666 · · Score: 1

    I was quite surprised that nobody mentionned drugs.

    The Tour the France is basically corrupted because of the drugs. If you think that Lance Armstrong is running on clear, spring water, you are delusional. He just happens to have better train^H^H^H^H^H doctors.

    1. Re:Drugs by zaphod_es · · Score: 1

      Finally someone mentioned drugs. This thread has been largely about cycling which is one of the most drug polluted sports on earth. Many other sports have been ruined and so many track and field records are so dubious that it is difficult to take any of them that seriously. Would you like a trainer to approach you with the news that your daughter has real talent at gymnastics and that if she takes drugs to postpone puberty there is a good chance of international success by age 15? It is about time that some of these trainers and crooked doctors were locked up for a few years!

  122. The worst sport for an example. by ggroth · · Score: 1

    I couldn't think of a worse sport to use as an example for the demonstration of technological advances. Frames made of alternative materials, such as aluminum frames, have been around since at least the 30's. Indexing shifting has been around since the at least 70's. Cantilever brakes have been around since at least the 40's. Disk brakes since at least the 60's. Suspension systems have been around since I don't know when. Sturmey Archer used their basic design for a multiple speed hub for over 100 years. There's nothing new in cycling, just refinement of designs that come and go based on marketing campaigns. That's why companies like Brooks are still making saddles the same way they were making them over 100 years ago. The last true innovation for bicycles was the derailleur, and that one is decades old.

    If someone could explain to me why an 18 pound aluminum frame is faster than a 23 pound steel frame, but a 200 pound rider doesn't get any faster if he drops his weight to 190 I'd appreciate it. IMHO it's not the technology that makes one bit of difference, it's committing to an activity, gaining knowledge, and getting better at the activity. It sure aint the shoes.

  123. Re:Epee by gnarled · · Score: 1

    You could try epee instead of foil and saber, because it has been about hitting people first all along, and there is the added bonus of being able to score anywhere on the body, which leads to fun toe or mask shots.

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  124. This is Slashdot, I can tell you anything. by arete · · Score: 1

    This is Slashdot, I can tell you anything: true, false, some of each. Funny, not funny, some of each. On topic, off topic, some of each. Poorly written... (there's an opposite, I just can't locate a good example ; )

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  125. Re: Bike vs. Rider... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's always been about the rider (and knowing the doping test schedules).

    Training techniques have made a much bigger impact on the TdF, bike racing, and sports in general than equipment.

    The equipment helps, but Lance or just about every other pro rider could kick 99% of the rest of our sorry fat asses whether they're riding a Schwinn Varsity with stem shifters, those cool "safety" brakes, 27mm tires, etc., even if we were all riding on Lance's special TT bikes.

    For most sports, training is now a year-long endeavor for professionals and very serious amateurs. Granted, it is not full-on everyday, but gone are the days of taking a two or four month vacation in the off-season. There is no more off-season.

  126. hockey.. by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 1

    they have some really great, light hockey sticks. They are expensive. One piece Easton Synergy's are awesome. I've tried one at the rink. but $150 for a one-piece stick. Ouch. Breaking that is painful. See the playoffs and all those broken sticks? I do use a $35 carbon blade on my stick. It improved my slap shot considerably and weighs about half as much as a wooden/abs blade.

  127. Well... SCUBA diving, of course!!! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    SCUBA diving is definitely the most high-tech of mainstream sports (and it doesn't have to be extreme - in my diving club, there are 60ish grannies who go on the same dives as everyone else).

    But it always was high-tech, even from the onset when it was invented in the 1920's by Yves Leprieur (Cousteau merely improved the gear - by re-using a 1865 design spurned by Leprieur).

    During the last 20 years, we've seen composite materials enter the scene to make suits, fins, masks and other gadgets, very fancily machined balanced regulators, and, of course, computers.

    But SCUBA-diving is also high-tech because it calls for a good knowledge of human physiology to properly understand what pressure does to the human body, in order to avoid serious crippling injury.

    But most advances in recent years involve more "software" than "hardware"; that is, new methods that use slightly modified diving gear, such as Nitrox mixes, that is, oxygen-enriched gases that offers all sort of benefits.

    Or, at the other end of the spectrum, special inert gas mixes for deeper diving, once the province of commercial divers, being used by sport divers.

    And the rebirth of old technologies, such as rebreathers (used by combat swimmers during World-War II), but with computers monitoring their function to enable mixing a continuously variable breathing mix optimized for the current depth in order to minimize nitrogen exposure without skirting oxygen toxicity.

  128. Sailing, anyone? by softweyr · · Score: 1
    I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a sport where the 'new, improved stuff!' arms race is more prevalent than sail racing. Some of the advances in material sciences in the Americas Cup actually trickle down to the aerospace industry.

    Sailing supply stores (called chandleries) offer line (rope to you landlubbers) 1 inch (25 mm) in diameter with a breaking strength of 100,000 lbs (45000 kg).

    Before the last Cup, I read an interview with the manager of Paul Cayard's team, who talked about shipping his two hulls from San Fran to Auckland on a steamer with the keels attached. They were worried about shipping the hulls without the keels because these 70 foot long hulls weigh only 3 tons without the keels. Most recreational 35 foot boats weigh that much; the hull on a competitive 70 footer (like the Santa Cruz 70) would normally weigh at least double that. Those 140-foot masts have lead to advances in carbon fiber technology not imaginable 10 years ago.

    Even the recreational racer these days is in an arms race. Unless your racing class or club prohibits it, materials and manufacturing technology in sails produces a new breed of sails every couple of years. Changes in underbody design, the continual adoption of newer and better modelling software, etc., make each generation of boat lighter, faster, stronger than the previous.

    Now if they'd apply some of that design and materials genius to a comfortable, lightweight marine head (toilet) that didn't clog, I could spend my afternoon sailing instead of knee-deep in $#!%...

  129. Re:Climbing(i apoligize for not explaining jargon) by WotanKhan · · Score: 1

    The single biggest advance that made the decimal system seem cramped was the modern sticky rubber shoe that appeared in the 60's. At first it was also seen as cheating by some purists.

    Once you learn to trust these shoes, just about anyone in great shape can follow 5.10, a rating that originally would have been off the scale.

  130. Exposure by WotanKhan · · Score: 1
    The new(er) technology with a few exceptions (sticky boots) haven't made things doable that weren't in the past, just an awful lot safer

    I think you undervalue exposure as a component of climb difficulty. Exposure being the general climbing term for the degree to which the climb exposes you to, or makes you aware of danger. The ratings on many climbs actually take this into account. While there are probably some climbers immune to the effect, I would say most climb at a somewhat lower level when under conditions of extreme exposure, due to factors such as muscle tension and unwillingness to trust marginal holds. When you add bolts to a previously runout climb, you effectively decrease the level of difficulty. The invention of the spring-loaded cam had the same effect for many of the classic Yosemite crack climbs.

    Not that I'm complaining. I may be a "geek" but I've an extensive collection of sports injuries from a lifetime of extreme sports, and no desire to add to them.

  131. BULLSH*T!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bicycles Armstrong & co are using today are not fundamentally different from those used by Merckx, Anquetil, and even earlier. A few grams here or there does not make a "technological revolution", except in the minds of the people buying and admiring them hanging in their garage. Go out and ride.

    The last real technological revolution in cycling was the invention of the double-triangle safety bike, right about the same time as the first TdF (displacing the penny-farthing high-wheeler). And I guarantee those guys on their old bikes would beat the pants off of you gearhead wankers riding carbon fiber any day. There were heroes in those days.

    Happy couch sitting, guys.

  132. Fencing by WotanKhan · · Score: 1
    has been morphed by technology to the point where it barely resembles the original sport. First came electrical scoring to increase accuracy in a sport that is often too fast to see. But this changed the goal from performing a correct touch (as judged by the officials) to depressing a switch on the end of the blade on your opponents body. With the heavier tip required by the scoring apparatus, a "flick" shot that resembles the cracking of a whip is now the primary offense in elite competition.

    It is now to the point where a significant amount of the touches (esp. in foil) are actually scored on the opponents back as he faces you, by whipping the blade over his shoulder. Rather bizarre to the uninitiated, and a far cry from the sports origins.

  133. Exactly by WotanKhan · · Score: 1

    I have basically two circles of friends, intellectual geeks and sports geeks, with quite a bit of crossover between the two. Don't really see much difference, except that they geek out about different things.

  134. Sports tech has changed my life... by FooGoo · · Score: 1

    I live on a sailboat. My boat is based on a traditional schooner design from about 100 years ago. But that is about as traditional as it gets. My hull is aluminium, masts are carbon fiber, lines are spectra, sails are dacron. I also have solar panels, GPS, radar, diesel generator, and sat phone. Because of this I can work from anywhere in the world and post to slashdot from N1820.153 W07820.305.

    I think sports tech goes overboard though when it costs over 100 million to put a F1 team together for a season or several hundred million to be competitive in an Americas Cup Challenge.

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  135. Running shoes by GerardM · · Score: 1

    Running shoes have made an amazing change for me over time. I have US size 13,5 feet. The first shoes I bought when I was 18 did not fit. They did not exist. Now there are a lot of shoes that fit more or less. When you have a big size they do not go by halves so I can buy 13 or 14.

    The technology is great; the shock absorption, the weight, the progress has been awesome.

    The main drawback is that the milage you can get our of running shoes is less than stellar. Some shoes have a max of 600 km. When you consider that some run 100 km a week .. The sturdy shoes average 1500 km. Good are Asics, New Balance and Brooks.

    The shock absorbtion materials in shoes bounce back over time so it is a smart move to have two pairs and alternate them. This enhances the longevity a lot.

    The great thing about good shoes is that they prevent injuries. But that is true only when you wear the right shoes for YOUR feet. It really pays to buy them in a speciality shop.

    PS IANASSM
    Gerard

  136. technology = comfort by 33nine3 · · Score: 0

    Comfort is the underlying motivator of all human behavior. Advances in sporting goods technology make these activities easier, and therefore more comfortable. We find ourselves going faster, yet in more control. The rushes we get from it provide yet more comfort.

    Think about it. Everything we do breaks down to seeking comfort.

  137. Nice try ... by WotanKhan · · Score: 1
    "I'd much rather be out there doing something myself than sitting on the couch. Spectator sports are pointless as hell if you're a straight man."

    Nice try, but I don't believe you get "out there" any more than the rest of us. Personally I got hooked on watching professional basketball when my coach told me to watch it to learn about mental toughness. Its called modelling. One can learn things from emulating the elite athletes who are the best at what they do. Things to improve your game, or even cross over to other facets of life such as teamwork in business. Plus it can simply be high drama.

    You also might want to look into why you have such a strong negative reaction to the sight of men being affectionate in physical contact. I'm about as straight as they come and it bothers me not at all. Perhaps you are suppressing something?

  138. clipless by asjk · · Score: 1

    Agreed! If only I had the money to buy this technoloGee when I deserved it--still it makes this old flabby rider better, without a doubt. Same goes for carbon fiber and brake shifters.

    1. Re:clipless by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I really won't spend money on lightening my bike very much. It is far cheaper to take weight out of my ass.

      Maybe when I'm making Lance Armstrong worry about me beating his ass, a lighter bike will be in order. In the meantime, rugged, comfortable, and serviceable makes me happy.

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  139. Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the 90th Tour de France starting today, ...

    Actually it is the 100th edition this year.

  140. Enhancements? Drugs? by ctve · · Score: 1
    It's interesting to me that no-one much suggests getting rid of the advantages given by these kinds of technologies, and yet the will to remove drugs which enhance performance is huge.

    Both give advantages to people with money, normally meaning that countries which are poor cannot afford to spend such money on their athletes (particularly as people like trainer makers don't have a huge market there).

  141. No recumbents by ctve · · Score: 1

    Sadly, they don't seem to allow these bikes. I'm really puzzled why. They go much faster than normal racing bikes.

  142. That is the tuck rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was changed a year after the other forward pass rules because of the infamous forward-pass-look-alike-really-a-tuck tuck.

  143. Mountaineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mountaineering stopped being a sport when 80 year olds started to make it up Everest.

  144. Yes, sir, indeed by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    The arrival of new materials has certainly improved my work-outs enormously! I lift weights for work-out, something I'm quite happy with. The weights used to be made from steal, and was extremely heavy, almost impossible to lift. Nowadays, i use weights made from high-tech composit materials, that weigh almost nothing! I can lift TWICE as big weights with less than HALF the effort! It's incredible!

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  145. The Tour de France by hughk · · Score: 1
    This year there are some stages in the Pyranees, the Alpes-Maritimes and the Alps. On the eighth stage this year, they will cross a pass at 2650m. Not unusual.

    I don't see it being very easy either going up that mountain or down it on a recumbent. Racing for endurance with gentle hills may be somthing else, but otherwise the traditional bike seems somewhat better.

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  146. You can have all the technology you like by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 1

    But, if you're shit at something, no matter how much you spend on kit, you'll still be shit.

    In terms of bicycles, the single bit of kit that'll make you faster is... A pair of toe clips. £5 for a pair. Or cleats if you don't need to walk around.

    After that, a set of high pressure slick tyres and well maintained chainset. The last thing that matters is the frame.

    I see it more on motorcycles though, people go out, buy a gsxr 1000 sportsbike or similar and then can't ride for toffee, sure, they can accelerate quickly in a straight line, but then, so can a rock, they go round corners like they have training wheels on.

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  147. Wow. Technology in sports. by Radon+Knight · · Score: 1


    I just cannot tell you how much the yellow line in football improved my enjoyment of the game.

    What, was *estimating* the position really that hard? It cost how many millions to create that technology? Good god, people need everything shown to them nowadays.

  148. Referees using video replays by drsmithy · · Score: 1

    I hate 'em. The thing that makes sport interesting is that it's *people* playing, and people make mistakes. I consider the referee making a mistake to be part of that interest. The recent explosion in using video replays to resolve any remotely questionable decision vastly reduces the attraction of watching or playing sport, IMHO.

  149. conservation law by feenberg · · Score: 1

    The sum of the weights of a bike and the
    chain necessary to keep it from being stolen
    is a constant.

  150. Disposable income by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today we have many people with significant disposable income who want to look fast and manufacturers who take advantage of them.

    Now, take this to rec.bicycles.* and see the flames begin...

  151. Soccer (Football) Nets by Apostata · · Score: 1


    Because of developments in plastic moulding/construction, it's now easier for schools and community centres to offer outdoor/indoor soccer (or football, depending upon where you're reading this from) programs seeing as how the availability of comparatively lightweight portable nets has improved. Compare this to those iron tombstones stuck in the highschool athletic field, their white painted frames seemingly always in the midst of disintegration.

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  152. steriods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more play, more fun

  153. Probably off-topic... by technomom · · Score: 1

    But one technology that's gone way too far is parental involvement in kids' sports.

    I was at a recent Little League end of season game/picnic for my son. The game, mind you, was really an exhibition, no score was kept, everyone batted. Probably the least structured game of the whole season. But, toward the end of the game, one of the coaches noticed that a few of the boys had gone off on their own and were throwing a football around. He yelled at them to get back with their teams and sit on the bench.

    I walked over to him and said, "You tell 'em coach! Imagine the nerve of those kids, having unsupervised FUN. Where do they LEARN these things?"

    He kind of chucked back but I really don't know if he got it.

    JoAnn

  154. canoeing by enbody · · Score: 1

    As I approach becoming a 50-year-old geek, a Kevlar canoe for wilderness camping is a welcome technological aid. Its light weight allows old farts like me to still portage with ease. It is 17 feet long (about 5.5 meters) and weights about 40 pounds (a bit less than 20 kg). It isn't as pretty as a wood-canvas beauty, nor does it perform as well as some I have used, but I can carry it, it is quiet, and it does track well on lakes.

  155. Commuter bike technology is still backward by MZdoctor · · Score: 1

    Living in The Netherlands, a bicycle is for me primarily an efficient means of transport. Offroad capabilities are irrelevant, weight is of minor importance. I need a bike that is comfortable, has room for luggage, will stand rough handling, dutch weather and brine, and requires minimal maintenance. This can be achieved by careful choice of materials (corrosion-resistant) and sensible design. For me sensible means a fully enclosed chain, well laid control cables and electrics (including a hub dynamo) and fully enclosed journal ball bearings everywhere instead of antiquated cup and cone bearings that are the devil to adjust.

    It buggers me no end that with all the advances in bike technology I still can't purchase a bike that fulfils these modest requirements for a reasonable price. Leave an expensive bike standing outside a store here and you can almost count on it being nicked before you come back for it. That is probably the main reason why people here tend to buy cheap mass-produced trash, so there is not enough incentive for the development of quality commuter bikes. Oh well.

  156. We may see limitations imposed soon. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the problem is that technology is way outrunning what we expect in many sports. The result is that there is way too much emphasis on the "power" game and that ruins the experience for everyone in the long run. I expect the following to happen:

    Golf - While they have done a nice job reiging in club technology, you have ball technology going through the roof. Golf courses are being made obsolete. Expect the governing bodies to put in restrictions very soon to level things off.

    The USGA and the Royal & Ancient Club of St. Andrews are very seriously looking at the issue of oversized clubheads and golf balls with too much "bounce." Expect with a few years a very strict standard for clubhead sizes, materials used etc. As for golf balls, we may see within a few years a standardized golf ball with a lower "bounce" rate than currently.

    Tennis - Due to new racket technology, it is possible to just crush the ball. Because of this new technology, the game is just turning into serve-ace or serve-return-point. Wimbledon, which is played on a very fast surface, has become very boring to watch. Unless this trend is reversed, expect tennis to become extremely boring with all surfaces rendered obsolete.

    I expect that within a few years we will see a reference standard for tennis rackets that will limit the size of the head and also limit how much "bounce" it can put on the tennis ball. Also, we may see a slightly larger tennis ball with a lower "bounce" rate, which means the ball will travel slower.

    Swimming - With the new swim suits everyone has started wearing, you have seen records just start to fall like rocks. At first this seemed like a joke, but if you realize it, this is taking away factors that in many ways could be considered unimportant to the sport, like drag in the water. Of course, you could also think of it in a way that the most prepared (ie, do all you can to reduce drag) wins.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see these new style swimsuits banned after the 2004 Summer Olympics. These new suits are very expensive and offer too much an advantage to any team that can afford them.

    Track - new surface technology as well as wind suits (similar to the swimming suits) have allowed people to run faster. Still, you have to accelerated your body to be that fast, and world records are not falling at any serious rate (the world record has only changed .1 seconds in about 15 years).

    One thing we may see is that there will be a strict ban on full-body suits in running races up to 1,600 meters. Such full-body suits offer too much an advantage in terms of lowering wind resistance and also are extremely expensive to procure.

    1. Re:We may see limitations imposed soon. by Goonie · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't be surprised if we see these new style swimsuits banned after the 2004 Summer Olympics. These new suits are very expensive and offer too much an advantage to any team that can afford them.

      Too late. Most of swimming's records have already been broken using the new suits, so banning them would make the records untouchable. Having world records fall is an essential part of getting media attention for swimming, so I can't see how they could possibly put the genie back in the bottle now.

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    2. Re:We may see limitations imposed soon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We just need to get back to the spirit of the original Olympics, and have all the athelites participate nude. Evens the tech playfield, and viewship will skyrocket!

  157. baloney by MasTRE · · Score: 1

    Today you can't even compare penultimate-generation athletes with current ones in most sports, specifically because the way "technology" has affected the respective sport. Take Baseball for example - the "technology" is taking as many steroids as you can and hitting the ball out of the park as many times as you can, to make as much money as you can. All while looking like a freak of nature. And the public is okay with this. Little kids are shown these games and brought up to regard these drug-for-more-money users as role models.

    Then you have the positive impact of technology. When this doesn't include drugs (hence the dropping of the quotes), a lighter shoe will give an minute edge. It's a natural progression, it shows our technological abilities allow us to scientifically reduce drag/friction/[insert fav force here]/etc. to propell us/the object we are hitting/throwing faster/farther/better/more accuratly.

    TV coverage has also improved. But is it all that much interesting? It may be just me, but after watching the same stuff on TV, same teams, same comentators, same network-specific graphics/animations, I am secretly just tired of it all. What am I really watching? I know all the stats, I've got a _much_ better view and overall take on the game than if I were there (esp. in racing sports such as F1). Still, somehow it doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel like a real event. It feels like I'm sitting in front of a box that shows me products I should buy, masquerading like it's doing me a favor.

    Then you have sports that are untouched by technology. Like chess. And how popular is chess? Not very. People are have such "busy" lives these days, they want to watch mindless explosions in movies and drugged freaks flex their muscles in sports. All from the comfort of their couch-potato setting.

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  158. So many advances... <drool> by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost too many to list.

    How have they benefitted me? Well, I LOVE watching those "extreme sports" fucktards injure themselves. And I don't mean the people who make a living out of doing that shit, I mean the dumbass high school kids who do it to impress their friends and be seen as cool.

    I love watching them hop a bike over a short wall, not knowing there was a 30' drop to a concrete surface on the other side. I love watching them try brainless rollerblading stunts that leave them sliding down a railing after landing hard on their testicles. I love seeing them knock their teeth out on the pavement. I love to see an ankle or arm shatter after a bad landing while jumping a skateboard over a curb. I laugh when someone accelerates a snowmobile right into a telephone pole, or when their ATV rolls over backwards on top of them while they were trying to ride it up a too-steep incline.

    Why do these things fill me with such glee? Because it's like being a fly on the wall in Darwin's waiting room. These morons do inherently dangerous things, and they don't bother with the proper safety equipment. I think the best was when some dumbass really (and I mean *really*) fucked himself up good while trying to do a stunt with no pads or helmet, and then started crying because he had no health insurance to pay the hospital bills that were sure to ensue.

    Advances in technology have brought down the cost of the equipment these idiots need, making it accessible to them. And since video cameras have likewise gotten smaller, lighter, and cheaper, there's almost certainly going to be at least one rolling at the right moment, as one of those rocket scientists jumps his bike into a pool from a 3rd story roof and lands on the rim. And that video will eventually make its way somewhere where I will see it and be entertained.

    God bless technology!

  159. Golf Technology by davinciII · · Score: 1

    As a golfer, I was fitted for a new driver recently on a launch monitor. It senses the club speed, ball speed, rotation of the ball, and launch angle upon ball strike. It tells you how far the ball would roll and how far it would carry. They can use them to find the perfect shaft/angle combination for your particular swing.

    Also, GPS systems in the golf carts allow you to get completely accuracte distances to the pins, and allow the course managers to know the flow of play in real time. In additions, the GPS systems can give you tips for each hole, such as where to leave the ball and what the distance is to that spot.

  160. it's not the same vehicle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying pro bike racing prevents recumbent bikes is like saying that F1's refusal to allow motorcycles prevents motorcycle development.

    Someone comes up with a new invention that happens to be human-powered, and you think that an existing series has to incorporate it? Nope. It's their series, they do what they want. You're so convinced about recumbent bikes, start your own recumbent series, and if they are really that much better, you'll be the premier league in short order.

    Recumbent bikes are essentially a whole different than than regular bikes. They aren't for the same users. I've seen plenty around here (Silicon Valley) and most people just don't seem interested in them. To be honest, the I think the fact that they are easy to overlook them in traffic makes them unpopular for transport and the fact that they are so large makes them unpopular for the "load it on the car and go to the hill" set.

    The real advantages to recumbents (higher efficiency especially at high speeds) simply isn't something that means much to the average bicyclist. Those who are biking for a workout don't necessarily want to have to go faster for a workout. And if you aren't doing it for your health and simply want to go faster get a motorbike.

  161. Re:helmet with goggles built-in @ Paris race by bob_calder · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know where the guy on Team Bianchi got that way cool helmet with the built in goggles??

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  162. Snowboards, rather. by pheared · · Score: 1

    I was never impressed with step-ins. I really dislike the fact that you have to get special boots, and those boots didn't feel as comfortable for me. It's mostly preference I think.

    However, I recently bought a brand new GNU Altered Genetics board. They use a much different method for manufacturing boards keeping them stiff enough to provide a greater spring while remaining flexible. I highly recommend them to anyone.

  163. Sports Medicine by locutus2k · · Score: 1

    I don't think we should forget the advances in sports medicine. This field has helped many people who would otherwise not be able to particiatpe in sports, become more active, and competative.

    It may be a bit off topic, but I for one am happy I can partake of my favorite sport (Tae Kwon Do) thanks to such advances.

  164. geeks ruining an interesting topic by LordBeaver · · Score: 1

    the influence of science and computing on sport is a very interesting scientific topic and i think very suitable for slashdots forums. modern sport is so scientific and technical these days that if some of these readers creating noise on this list actually made an effort to read the good mailings then they might learn something

  165. Powerlifting - a blessing and a curse by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

    Powerlifting only involves one thing - namely moving as much weight as possible in three relatively untechnical lifts - the bench press, the squat, and the deadlift.

    However, advances in bench shirt and squat suit technology by companies like Inzer have really made people question the sport. Way back people figured out they could bench slightly more if they were wearing a tight T-shirt. Then people started wearing stiffer shirts, and eventually it became part of the sport to wear an overly tight, one or two ply heavy non-stretch polyester that's so rigid the bencher actually has to PULL the weight to his chest in order to complete the lift. You heard me correctly..... one recent competition had a lifter try a NINE HUNDRED POUND BENCH PRESS, and he had to actually force the weight DOWN to his chest by HAULING DOWNWARDS on the bar.

    Naturally, the rebound kicks the weight up some, and some believe the right technique and the right shirt can kick up your max weight for a 40-100lb gain.

    As for the squat - between the Inzer or Titan knee wraps, the canvas underwear (yes, you heard that right) and the exceedingly tight double ply squat suit, how much of that 1200lb squat is the lifter, and how much the equipment?

    Yes, the weights DO go up as a result of the technology, and people can compete longer because the equipment provides some degree of safety. However, you can easily see how some people would denigrate the sport entirely because it works out to who has the best gear, sometimes.

    Before the Olympic weightlifters scoff too much, consider that they use a "springy" bar and "bounce" with it to get some rebound and momentum in the lift. No strength sport is without some kind of recoil component.....

    I'm kind of torn. Part of me says hey, this is garbage, take the stuff off and make it a competition as to who can lift the weight himself, and the other part realises that the trickiest part of the bench, for example, is the end of it, where the triceps lock the weight out unassisted by the shirt. People who train with the gear are stronger without it than people who don't use it at all, most of the time.

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    1. Re:Powerlifting - a blessing and a curse by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      The other powerlifting controversy is the walking out with the weight vs the monolift discussion. A monolift is a contraption that holds a barbell so that the squatter only has to set up, the hooks release the barbell, the lifter squats down and up, and the hooks come back to catch. In the olden days a squatter was expected to take the bar off of stands, walk it out, squat it, walk it back, and rerack.

      Fred "Dr. Squat" Hatfield, Ph.D caused a bit of a stir when he asked his spotters to move the racks out from underneath him (in pre-monolift days) and he squatted in situ to move 1014.... it stood, because there was NOTHING in the rules to say he couldn't do it that way. (The rules were changed.) So there's precedent for the monolift idea before the monolift was introduced into competition.

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  166. liveliness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for those who aren't bike geeks, what the hell does this term refer to?

    1. Re:liveliness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's traditionally associated with steel bike frames and the amount of lateral flex

      but, it's probably a meaningless term, as I think you know.

  167. video replay is a huge help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to practice Tai-koan-do intensivly
    one of our best tools was the ability to watch
    ourselves on video, with people commenting
    on my form(or lack there of).

    Now in college I gave up Tai-koan-do for a much
    more sangerous sport, Debating which uses
    the same tool to help us improve form and technique.

  168. Bowling advancements by angle_slam · · Score: 1
    There have been many advancements in bowling. In the beginning was the rubber ball on the laquer surface. These balls didn't hook much, and accuracy was at a premium. Then came plastic which hooked a little more, but not too much. By the 70s, the new big thing was urethane which hooked even more. Another big advancement was the development of the two-piece bowling ball. It used to be a three piece bowling ball, with an inner core, a weight block, and the surface of the ball. The two piece ball brought more weight to the middle of the ball, changing the trajectory of bowling balls. Yes, more and more hook.

    With the 90s came the latest development--reactive resin bowling balls. Urethane balls used to hook fairly early. With reactive resin, the balls traveled further down the lane, hooked later, and hooked even more.

    Since then, various forms of reactive resin have been developed. In addition, new forms of weight blocks have been developed, some with very sophisticated, multi-piece construction.

    The end result is that it is now a lot easier to hook a bowling ball than it was in the 70s. With the greater angle of entry into the pocket, strikes have become more common and scores have gone up. The old timers long for the good old days where accuracy was more important. (Ironically, as the balls have become easier to hook, people ("crankers") want to hook the ball even more, resulting in a loss of top players who throw a normal size hook.)

    In many ways, these developments are similar to the use of materials in tennis and golf, with power becoming more and more important.

  169. Re:helmet with goggles built-in @ Paris race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this rudy project one, perhaps?
    http://www.rudyproject.com.sg/helmets_kr ono.asp

  170. Sailboat Racing by Krezel · · Score: 1

    Yes, go ahead, laugh.

    Step on board the hottest racing boats and you'll see as much or more carbon fiber, kevlar, and titanium as in any F1 car.

    Boats are entirely CAD designed, virtually tow-tested inside super computers, and individual carbon and kevlar fibers laid along stress lines to control flex and structure while minimizing weight. Imagine building an F1 car or a bridge with a safety factor of 1.5 or less... thats what sailboat designers do every day. Americas Cup racers have hulls that weigh the same as a VW Beetle, but support 100 foot masts and keels that weigh 15,000 lbs. Hundreds of millions of dollars go into researching hull and foil shapes.

    Then look at the sails. No self-respecting racer leaves the dock without a full suit of Kevlar, PBO, or carbon fiber sails. Sails are constructed on 3D molds that form perfect airfoils, and robots lay individual fibers so the sails keep that perfect shape.

    And of course the hardware. Every ounce of weight you can remove from a yacht improves its chance of winning, so blocks (pulleys) and winches are made from titanium or even more carbon fiber. Imagine the engineering that goes into making a 150 foot carbon fiber mast less than a foot in diameter stay up under tens of thousands of pounds of load (and many many times that amount in SHOCK loads), while still leaving it flexible enough to be tweaked and tuned to maximize the performance of the sails.

    Oh yes, and electronics. Modern race boats are wired from end to end like F1 cars, with load cells, weather instruments, GPS, and gyrocompasses. Race teams use doppler RADAR, LIDAR, and supercomputer weather models to predict the wind for any given race.

    And all so we can go sail in circles chasing some crazy trophy.

  171. Mountain Bikes by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

    Technology has allowed me to go mountain biking with my wife. When riding uphill my wife rides my Litespeed titanium hardtail, since it climbs easily. When we get to the top we switch and she rides her full-suspension monster downhill because it is stable as can be and soaks up all the bumps. I'll leave it as an "exercise" for the reader to determine which bike get to ride uphill and which one I ride on the way down.

  172. OH MY GOD, NO! by Fastball · · Score: 1
    But the best sporting technical innovation: scores displayed permanently in the top left corner of your TV picture.

    This is far and away the worst thing to happen to sports television ever. Look, if you can't stand to pay attention to the frickin' game, then don't. Why I should have to bear witness to the Flash equivalent for sports TV, is beyond me.

    No, the greatest innovation in sports viewing is yet to come: total control of what I see and who I hear. Don't want the goddamned score box in the top left corner? Go to options, and remove it. Ears can't withstand Dicky V? Go to options, kill the color man's mike, maybe the play-by-play man's too, and leave the action sound on. Can't stand the extreme closeup of Phil Jackson's nostril? Choose a wide angle camera and lock it.

    Sports broadcasting has come a long way and has enhanced a lot of things, but I've reached my limit and want my ballgame back.

  173. Naked coed quiddich! by LandGator · · Score: 1

    Which speaks for itself. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Naked+coe d+quidditch&spell=1

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  174. Lawn chair bikes by LandGator · · Score: 1

    I still have the first (Fuji) bike I ever built, but it's there only for two-stage (bike-bus) travel, because I love my recumbent.

    It may be harder to pedal uphill, but the feeling of control which comes from the semi-reclined seating position gives me much more confidence that I won't become street pizza because some damfool in an SUV craters me.

    As Neil Stephenson said about urban biking, if you rely on the other guy to avoid you, you're toast (sic). With a 'bent, I have eye contact with drivers, which makes a tremendous difference in maintaing a 'bubble' of protective space around me.

    I had never expected to be bike commuting at 50, but the recumbent bike makes that 12-mile commute a joyous sport.

    Look at these pix and then tell me which causes less wind resistance and which can be maintained longer with less stress:
    http://www.hostelshoppe.com/images/tech/d f_vs_vola e.jpg

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  175. cd player? by rabbits77 · · Score: 1

    When I go jogging I listen to a cd player, does that count? >:)

  176. motorsports by lpret · · Score: 1
    I'd like to see real-time telemetry data. In WRC, you'll see some of that, but I think it'd go over great with NASCAR fans and F1 fans alike. To be able to compare Schumie's speeds with Barrichello's speeds on a specific corner, look at how their fuel system is looking -- all that stuff.

    That data is already being transmitted to the teams, it would be awesome if they would forward that on into an Enhanced TV where you could choose what racer's telemetry you wanted to see. Also, cameras that you can switch to -- to be able to choose from the angles allowed, not just the ones that they want to broadcast at the moment. This would mean streaming about 100 video feeds and another 20 or so telemetry feeds, but it would be amazing for racing fans.

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