Its all those sub-space communications channels they're using.
A Peta-byte? I don't believe that for a second. Not by today's standards, let alone 10 years ago. That woman was talking out of her ass. When you talk about bandwidth lke that you're talking about wide-range conspiracy of the masses.
The military's technology has always trickled down to the private sector very quickly, because the private sector designs 90% of it. What you're talking about is an insult to the competence of the architects of the Internet2 and the entire academic world behind it.
Most of the stuff you hear about Echelon is here say. The NSA never opens their mouth, because thats their policy. People scream about privacy issues, but the truth is that the NSA is a passive organization. They just watch and gather information. I'm not saying the potential for abuse doesn't exist. What I am saying is that the NSA takes action on nothing. They have no field agents. They just provide informaton.
Now one thing about Greenpeace being spied on by the NSA, I believe that to be the oldest urban legend ever to exist about Echelon. Even if it were true, I wouldn't doubt it being because some zealous nut was planning to blow shit up. I have a lot of confdence in the NSA.
The only thing I have issues with are the rumors that they've been stealng corporate secrets from Eurpean nations. But I like to keep one thing in mind: If the French had this capabilty I have no doubt in my mind that they would not think twice about exploiting it. Hell the French steal from eachother, why the hell should they have any respect for evil America?
He said nothing about deserting his freedoms. what he did say was that if someons is talking about blowing up the whitehouse, then he feels that the government should take a closer look. The NSA are people, just like you and me, who believe in civil liberties. Get over the rights abuse shit, because I have yet to see any evidence that suggests it.
Actually, its called Executive Priviliage. They can tell Congress to go fuck themselves, simply because making information like that public to congress is making it public to the world. The NSA's primary response to everything is nothing. Thats why there are so many slashdotters in a frenzy with conspiracy theories... they need information that simply does not exist.
I'm assuming you're so blasphemous towards the idea of the NSA because you've been so deeply oppressed by them.
I just wish that people would complain about things that actually affect them, instead "what if" fantasies and rantings that they'll mostlikely never conclude.
The NSA is not the SS, they're geeks with calculators protecting your ungrateful ass from being blown to hell.
The American Revolution was bloody, and it was sanctioned by the people of the colonies. Of course there are people who were not supportive of the effort, but when it came down to it, the majority of them wanted independence from Brittain and taxes. The primary cause for the revolution was not civil rights and liberties; it was simply the fact that they did not want to pay taxes on their tea, and they knew they could get away with independence.
I'm basicly saying that I do not believe that the NSA has the ability to spy on American Citizens the way half of the disillusioned slashdot frenzy believes. I truely, truely do believe that the NSA can pick a voice up out of a crowd, simply because I know about the computing power they have, and it wouldn't be too hard. If they were trying to identify every single transmission, thats one thing, but if they're looking for Osama Bin Laden, thats another story. One voice out a a hundred million is easier to find then 5000.
The Government can spy on anyone they want to. That is the way we want it. Half of the slashdot nerds who fear the NSA and their ability to abuse fail to realize that the NSA people themselves are Americans, and they themselves do believe in civil liberties for Americans.
And don't worry people, they couldn't give a flying rats ass about your Trench Coats mafias and other lame masses of importance. The fact is that no American has anything to fear from the NSA because they are there to protect us. We all vote. We all choose who has control over the information. The chances of something going horribly wrong that is incorrectable in 4 years is highly unlikely.
Now before 500 of you respond with "it starts with the net and ends with my bedroom", thats a lame argument merely by the fact that they're not in your bedroom and never will be. Hell even if they were to invade people's privacy to that, you can always just vote for someone who is in your best interest to stop it.
Congress still passes the budget. I'm not going to respond to cracks on politicians either, because thats off topic and irrelevent. You can be a politician if you want.
This is more than anecdotal. This _is_ Echelon. I personally believe that there is no economical way that the NSA could monitor all internet traffic leaving the country without an enormous amount of conspiring people being involved. Plus hardware costs would be enormous as well, and co-location would be issues also.
What I do believe Echelon to be is a series of satelites that listen to broadcasts like those of planes, cellphones, etc. Voice recognitions IS involved, and this is even public knowledge. Last year the NSA demonstrated their its capabilities to Congress where they recorded a cellphone conversation of Strom Thurmond talking to his secretary. The press passively shit in their pants about the privacy issues, but never really made too much of a deal about it. This is what I believe Echelon can do.
As for monitoring the internet, I don't belive they have the finances to monitor all traffic entering and leaving the US. What they may do however is target specific countries or areas, but monitoring all as a whole is a bit unrealistic in my opinnion.
... Toshiba never fixed it even though they knew it was there for years. They don't deserve to pay billions for it or even millions, but the fact that they were able to fix it so easily and so quickly means that they probably didn't care.
I wonder if I could sue MS for my lost term paper when it bluescreened on me...
... On my aol account. I kept getting messages like "I've got a stick to tell you about" etc. I think I actually responded once and told them it was illegal what they were doing (attempting to inflate the price through bogus means).
I've never even heard of a non-compete that restricted people for over a year. They serve good cause I guess theoretically, but I've only seen ones that were limited in terms of months.
Same situation here; the lawsuit will not make it to trial unless you have a severely deranged (sp)judge. The fact is that site maintainers are exempt from liability over user content.
This is essentially the same reason why mp3.lycos.com can exist without being sued by the music industry. The music industry can attempt to sue, in which case it will be dismissed.
But thank you xant for your overwhelming insight into this matter and clarifying my inaccurate assumption. You are very helpful.
This is more like defusing a bomb. Classic in politics is to release certain details about a story that don't seem too horrible.
What happens later is an actual press release full of details that are more implicating than the first, but nobody prints it because at this point the media (and hence the public) has moved on to different topics.
Even if this were to survive in GB, no country would ever acknowledge such a proposterous idea. I have no doubt that nothing will come of these patents
"Mosaic programs, which employ carefully worded questions about student behavior based on case histories of people who have turned violent..." ... "Not all of the questions might be effectively answered by administrators who control the software, officials conceded."
I don't see anything about questionaires in there. This sounds much like an Information System specificly taylored for school administrators. Did you read the article? All this is stating is simple questions like "Has the student brought a gun to school?" Answer: Y/N Now stop wasting my time and hiding behind anonymous coward.
The article says it is based off current systems used in court to determine how dangerous a threat is coming from a cetain criminal based on the criminals _HISTORY_. The article said nothing about classifying a person based on anything other than violent tendencies. The article also states that the information being used is information in their private files i.e. their history of violent tendencies. No conspiracy here. People seem to be confusing different + violent with different + non-violent. If you're different + violent, then you deserve to be expelled from school or you need psychiatric help in some circumstances. All this does is allow schools to profile students who are dangerous and gauge them on a static scale. A scale that is static across every school. The hopes (I'm assuming now) is that they will come up with a numerical value where the student becomes to violent to stay in school.
I'm only 22, thus not old enough yet( because everyone under the age of 25( house ) or 30( senate ) obviously is too ignorant to run Yes, you are ignorant. You're very, VERY ignorant, and I'll tell you why. What experience did Jessy Ventura have when he ran for Governor of Minnesota? None. I'm sure you could do the same if you'd get off your lazy meager-earning ass and do something instead of complain. As for the government stealing your money, go move to an indian plantation or leave the country. Nobody is forcing you to stay. On another note, do you vote? If you don't, then you have no right to post a comment about how governement sucks because you're too lazy to do anything about it (or for those of you who "refuse to participate because ", you're just as lame). As for age restrictions, thank God they're there, because otherwise there would be millions of people voting for such a noble 22 year old as yourself. Your words match your experience. Enough said about that.
This article says NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING about people who are different being catagorized as dangerous. What it does say is that people with a history of violent behavior, beit threats, actions, etc. will be identifiable by a number from 1 to 10. Hemos, if you're violent, you will be around an 8, if you're different and non-violent, you'll be catagorized just like all other non-violent people. This is catagorizing based on violence, not whether you wear a black trenchcoat or feel the need to pierce every inch of your body. Its not a conspiracy.
Do you know what the intention of government was when it was written? Its intention was to provide a military and necessary protection and order over its citizens. Therefore, the NSA has a direct, immediate financial and safety issue to handle. They operate off a budget designated by Congress (which hey, we voted for, go figure), and their sole intention is to gather as much information as they can to provide it to the government to serve and protect. What half of you people realize is that the NSA is there to protect YOU (if you're an American citizen). I guarentee the minute it becomes the least bit intrusive into the lives of citizens, congress will shit all over it. Believe it or not, you still do elect your senators and representatives. Hell, you can even RUN for Congress if you want!! Unless you feel there's a deeper conspiratorial plan being laid out, there's nothing you should worry about.
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Its all those sub-space communications channels they're using.
A Peta-byte? I don't believe that for a second. Not by today's standards, let alone 10 years ago. That woman was talking out of her ass. When you talk about bandwidth lke that you're talking about wide-range conspiracy of the masses.
The military's technology has always trickled down to the private sector very quickly, because the private sector designs 90% of it. What you're talking about is an insult to the competence of the architects of the Internet2 and the entire academic world behind it.
One more thing...
Most of the stuff you hear about Echelon is here say. The NSA never opens their mouth, because thats their policy. People scream about privacy issues, but the truth is that the NSA is a passive organization. They just watch and gather information. I'm not saying the potential for abuse doesn't exist. What I am saying is that the NSA takes action on nothing. They have no field agents. They just provide informaton.
Now one thing about Greenpeace being spied on by the NSA, I believe that to be the oldest urban legend ever to exist about Echelon. Even if it were true, I wouldn't doubt it being because some zealous nut was planning to blow shit up. I have a lot of confdence in the NSA.
The only thing I have issues with are the rumors that they've been stealng corporate secrets from Eurpean nations. But I like to keep one thing in mind: If the French had this capabilty I have no doubt in my mind that they would not think twice about exploiting it. Hell the French steal from eachother, why the hell should they have any respect for evil America?
He said nothing about deserting his freedoms. what he did say was that if someons is talking about blowing up the whitehouse, then he feels that the government should take a closer look. The NSA are people, just like you and me, who believe in civil liberties. Get over the rights abuse shit, because I have yet to see any evidence that suggests it.
Actually, its called Executive Priviliage. They can tell Congress to go fuck themselves, simply because making information like that public to congress is making it public to the world. The NSA's primary response to everything is nothing. Thats why there are so many slashdotters in a frenzy with conspiracy theories... they need information that simply does not exist.
I'm assuming you're so blasphemous towards the idea of the NSA because you've been so deeply oppressed by them.
I just wish that people would complain about things that actually affect them, instead "what if" fantasies and rantings that they'll mostlikely never conclude.
The NSA is not the SS, they're geeks with calculators protecting your ungrateful ass from being blown to hell.
The American Revolution was bloody, and it was sanctioned by the people of the colonies. Of course there are people who were not supportive of the effort, but when it came down to it, the majority of them wanted independence from Brittain and taxes. The primary cause for the revolution was not civil rights and liberties; it was simply the fact that they did not want to pay taxes on their tea, and they knew they could get away with independence.
I'm basicly saying that I do not believe that the NSA has the ability to spy on American Citizens the way half of the disillusioned slashdot frenzy believes. I truely, truely do believe that the NSA can pick a voice up out of a crowd, simply because I know about the computing power they have, and it wouldn't be too hard. If they were trying to identify every single transmission, thats one thing, but if they're looking for Osama Bin Laden, thats another story. One voice out a a hundred million is easier to find then 5000.
The Government can spy on anyone they want to. That is the way we want it. Half of the slashdot nerds who fear the NSA and their ability to abuse fail to realize that the NSA people themselves are Americans, and they themselves do believe in civil liberties for Americans.
And don't worry people, they couldn't give a flying rats ass about your Trench Coats mafias and other lame masses of importance. The fact is that no American has anything to fear from the NSA because they are there to protect us. We all vote. We all choose who has control over the information. The chances of something going horribly wrong that is incorrectable in 4 years is highly unlikely.
Now before 500 of you respond with "it starts with the net and ends with my bedroom", thats a lame argument merely by the fact that they're not in your bedroom and never will be. Hell even if they were to invade people's privacy to that, you can always just vote for someone who is in your best interest to stop it.
Congress still passes the budget.
I'm not going to respond to cracks on politicians either, because thats off topic and irrelevent. You can be a politician if you want.
This is more than anecdotal. This _is_ Echelon. I personally believe that there is no economical way that the NSA could monitor all internet traffic leaving the country without an enormous amount of conspiring people being involved. Plus hardware costs would be enormous as well, and co-location would be issues also.
What I do believe Echelon to be is a series of satelites that listen to broadcasts like those of planes, cellphones, etc. Voice recognitions IS involved, and this is even public knowledge. Last year the NSA demonstrated their its capabilities to Congress where they recorded a cellphone conversation of Strom Thurmond talking to his secretary. The press passively shit in their pants about the privacy issues, but never really made too much of a deal about it. This is what I believe Echelon can do.
As for monitoring the internet, I don't belive they have the finances to monitor all traffic entering and leaving the US. What they may do however is target specific countries or areas, but monitoring all as a whole is a bit unrealistic in my opinnion.
Step 2: Learn how to spell.
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Toshiba never fixed it even though they knew it was there for years. They don't deserve to pay billions for it or even millions, but the fact that they were able to fix it so easily and so quickly means that they probably didn't care.
I wonder if I could sue MS for my lost term paper when it bluescreened on me...
... On my aol account.
I kept getting messages like "I've got a stick to tell you about" etc. I think I actually responded once and told them it was illegal what they were doing (attempting to inflate the price through bogus means).
That is freaky shit.
I've never even heard of a non-compete that restricted people for over a year. They serve good cause I guess theoretically, but I've only seen ones that were limited in terms of months.
You fail to understand a key component of a capitalist society.
The underdog will never adhere to something that will piss off the public.
Unless of course you're the airline industry.
xant: you genius.
Try suing your HMO provider over liability.
It can happen, however it won't go to trial.
Same situation here; the lawsuit will not make it to trial unless you have a severely deranged (sp)judge. The fact is that site maintainers are exempt from liability over user content.
This is essentially the same reason why mp3.lycos.com can exist without being sued by the music industry. The music industry can attempt to sue, in which case it will be dismissed.
But thank you xant for your overwhelming insight into this matter and clarifying my inaccurate assumption. You are very helpful.
As far as I know, you can't be sued for content that your users put on your website. You are not responsible for their actions.
As for whether you're legally binded to remove that, I'm not so sure either.
Any lawyers?
... to plop a soda machine down right next to the coke machine. That'll remove this completely asinine feature.
This is more like defusing a bomb. Classic in politics is to release certain details about a story that don't seem too horrible.
What happens later is an actual press release full of details that are more implicating than the first, but nobody prints it because at this point the media (and hence the public) has moved on to different topics.
Its a nice way of de-screwing yourself.
Even if this were to survive in GB, no country would ever acknowledge such a proposterous idea. I have no doubt that nothing will come of these patents
... and I've been told that it supports PenIII's with a simple bios upgrade. Does this mean that I can use Coppermine processors in it? Anyone know?
How the hell did Katz even get a spot on this site? I swear, ever since Andover took over, /. has gone to shit.
What I don't understand is: WHAT IS SO HORRIBLE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM?!?!
You haven't told us why this deserves so much criticism, Jon Katz. Your argument sucks, but then again, so do all your "articles"
"Mosaic programs, which employ carefully worded questions about student behavior based on case histories of people who have turned violent..."
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"Not all of the questions might be effectively answered by administrators who control the software, officials conceded."
I don't see anything about questionaires in there. This sounds much like an Information System specificly taylored for school administrators. Did you read the article? All this is stating is simple questions like "Has the student brought a gun to school?" Answer: Y/N
Now stop wasting my time and hiding behind anonymous coward.
The article says it is based off current systems used in court to determine how dangerous a threat is coming from a cetain criminal based on the criminals _HISTORY_. The article said nothing about classifying a person based on anything other than violent tendencies. The article also states that the information being used is information in their private files i.e. their history of violent tendencies. No conspiracy here. People seem to be confusing different + violent with different + non-violent. If you're different + violent, then you deserve to be expelled from school or you need psychiatric help in some circumstances. All this does is allow schools to profile students who are dangerous and gauge them on a static scale. A scale that is static across every school. The hopes (I'm assuming now) is that they will come up with a numerical value where the student becomes to violent to stay in school.
I'm only 22, thus not old enough yet( because everyone under the age of 25( house ) or 30( senate ) obviously is too ignorant to run Yes, you are ignorant. You're very, VERY ignorant, and I'll tell you why. What experience did Jessy Ventura have when he ran for Governor of Minnesota? None. I'm sure you could do the same if you'd get off your lazy meager-earning ass and do something instead of complain. As for the government stealing your money, go move to an indian plantation or leave the country. Nobody is forcing you to stay. On another note, do you vote? If you don't, then you have no right to post a comment about how governement sucks because you're too lazy to do anything about it (or for those of you who "refuse to participate because ", you're just as lame). As for age restrictions, thank God they're there, because otherwise there would be millions of people voting for such a noble 22 year old as yourself. Your words match your experience. Enough said about that.
This article says NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING about people who are different being catagorized as dangerous. What it does say is that people with a history of violent behavior, beit threats, actions, etc. will be identifiable by a number from 1 to 10. Hemos, if you're violent, you will be around an 8, if you're different and non-violent, you'll be catagorized just like all other non-violent people. This is catagorizing based on violence, not whether you wear a black trenchcoat or feel the need to pierce every inch of your body. Its not a conspiracy.
Do you know what the intention of government was when it was written? Its intention was to provide a military and necessary protection and order over its citizens. Therefore, the NSA has a direct, immediate financial and safety issue to handle. They operate off a budget designated by Congress (which hey, we voted for, go figure), and their sole intention is to gather as much information as they can to provide it to the government to serve and protect. What half of you people realize is that the NSA is there to protect YOU (if you're an American citizen). I guarentee the minute it becomes the least bit intrusive into the lives of citizens, congress will shit all over it. Believe it or not, you still do elect your senators and representatives. Hell, you can even RUN for Congress if you want!! Unless you feel there's a deeper conspiratorial plan being laid out, there's nothing you should worry about.