Please, do you not understand the difference between 'knew about beforehand' and 'inside job?' Your bloviation means nothing until you address that point.
The data for the weekly tracking polls contained statistical anomalies. The data for this poll does not. Simple as that. You may not want to believe how crazy the right wing are, but that does not change the facts.
The numbers used in that poll were never questioned, and were backed up by plenty of other polls. If you have some evidence that this particular poll was faked, please, post it. Just saying "Well, they were caught faking the weekly polls, so all their polls must be false" is simply bullshit. It's not as if Research2000 is a partisan polling firm, they have been used by a number of clients both right and left. They cut corners to make a buck, not to make any particular group look bad.
No, I did follow that link and it does not call the poll findings into question. If you have a link that does purport to question the numbers in that poll, please, post it.
Bullshit. She was explaining how she overcame her racial biases and helped the farmer after the white lawyer she sent him to screwed up. The farmer's wife even went on air to defend the lady.
Idiot. She was explaining how we all have racial biases, and how class is more important than race, how she and that poor white farmer had more in common than she does with a rich black guy, how she overcame her racial biases and helped the guy out after the white lawyer she sent him to screwed up, and how the farmer and his wife are now friends of hers. The wife even went on air to defend the lady.
As I have stated in this thread, go google 'poll of right wing beliefs.' This was a big news item two months ago, I'm actually surprised you did not hear of it. It was even on Fox News.
I'm sorry, but 'knew about 9/11 in advance' is not '9/11 was an inside job.' Thirty five percent is a minority, and 'not sure' means 'not sure,' so I'm in the majority.
Please report to remedial English, and after that, remedial math, m'kay?
Bullshit. The numbers on that poll were not made up. You are the first person claiming that that particular poll contains false data. The only polls with disputed numbers were the weekly tracking polls. Heck, it's in the first sentence of the article you link to.
Research 2000 defrauded dailyKos. DailyKos themselves broke the story and sued the pollster. The poll I mention was not one that was faked. No one (except, I suppose, you) debates the numbers in the poll of Republican opinions, and they have been backed up by other polls.
Seriously, this just made you look bad. Learn to find good information.
Really? This poll was all over the news two months ago, everyone was commenting on it. Google 'poll of right wing beliefs' if you need a citation, this isn't wikipedia and I'm not your research assistant.
Google 'poll of right wing beliefs' if you don't believe me. Obama derangement syndrome has driven right wingers absolutely crazy. They can not believe a black liberal is president, that a black man is smarter and more powerful than they are. These small minded bigots have always excused their own shortcomings by saying, "I may be a complete failure, but at least I'm not black!" Well, now they have nothing, and it has driven them bug berserk.
Sarah Palin quit half way through her term as governor, demonstrating she is a quitter. She has demonstrated a complete lack of intelligence, the next most important quality of a leader.
I can't believe anyone is defending Sarah Palin. Seriously, you demonstrate my point about irrat5inal right wing beliefs for me.
That is a false equivalency, very few in the left wing believe 9/11 was an inside job, and they are roundly denounced by the rest of us. The right wing, however, holds some very crazy beliefs very strongly.
# 39 percent of Republicans believe Obama should be impeached, 29 percent are not sure, 32 percent said he should not be voted out of office.
# 36 percent of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States, 22 percent are not sure, 42 percent think he is a natural citizen.
# 31 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a "Racist who hates White people" -- the description once adopted by Fox News's Glenn Beck. 33 percent were not sure, and 36 percent said he was not a racist.
# 63 percent of Republicans think Obama is a socialist, 16 percent are not sure, 21 percent say he is not Story continues below
# 24 percent of Republicans believe Obama wants "the terrorists to win," 33 percent aren't sure, 43 percent said he did not want the terrorist to win.
# 21 percent of Republicans believe ACORN stole the 2008 election, 55 percent are not sure, 24 percent said the community organizing group did not steal the election.
# 23 percent of Republicans believe that their state should secede from the United States, 19 percent aren't sure, 58 percent said no.
# 53 percent of Republicans said they believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.
The Daily Caller is not 'press' though, and that story is a great example of a ridiculous lie. Rev Wright's statements were taken out of context, videos were edited to make him look bad, but you NEVER saw that mentioned in the corporate conservative press.
So what do we say about the idiots that saw the faked Shirley Sharrod video up on breitbart.com and rushed to denounce her and the NAACP as racist, when in fact the original video shows the exact opposite? And by idiots, I mean both the smug race baiting liars that put this up, the Obama administration that pressured for her resignation, and the NAACP itself for falling for a breitbart/Faux news lie in the first place and denouncing her. Brietbart is the guy who destroyed ACORN with false accusations and edited video, it's what he does, and yet, the idiots in the Obama administration and the NAACP fell for it. They walked right into his trap. See, if it never came out that the video was faked, it's a win if the administration and the NAACP do not react. But since they did react, why, simply reveal the video was fake and denounce them as idiots for falling for your trap.
People will believe anything. If we had to appoint guardians for every nut-job that believed a patently obvious lie, there wouldn't be enough non-nut-job guardians to go around.
Nuclear reactors do not need to carry extra fuel, and so the endurance of a ship at sea is not limited by the amount of fuel it can carry. Carrying less fuel, the ship can carry more supplies and ammunition.
Okay, I get that translation now. Meh. I always looked at the four noble truths as something Buddha came up with to do the most good for the most people while doing the least harm for most people. He was very good at meeting people where they are at. But sometimes that means simplifying things.
So the first noble truth is really 'more than likely, they way you are leading your life now, you are creating unnecessary suffering in yourself and others.' Not quite as catchy. But of course, the fourth noble truth states there is a path out of suffering, which is where this translation falls over for me. because in this translation, truth four says, "there is a path to satisfaction." But chasing satisfaction is chasing happiness, and this won't work. Specifically, chasing enlightenment is the second surest way not to get there, right after not chasing it. There's a reason Buddhism is called the middle path.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your analysis of why religion matters.
Unsatisfaction? Never heard it translated that way, I thought it was 'suffering.' Which means more than just sickness, old age, and death. Every good thing contains suffering, if only in that you will miss it when you don't have it. In fact, 'pain' is not even really suffering. Suffering is when we create ideas in our heads that make us unhappy, punishing ourselves for our failures, replaying painful events, fearing the loss of pleasurable things, and generally making assumptions and then having feelings about those assumptions as if they were real.
Scientists have done world wide satisfaction polls. Turns out, most people are happy and satisfied with life. Also, only three factors make any sort of a difference, statistically speaking, in whether or not you are satisfied with life. First, do you have enough money to meet your basic needs? Having more won't make you any happier on average, but having less will make you unhappy. Second, do you have a tight knit and supportive community? Being lonely makes you unhappy. Third, do you have a tight knit and supportive religion? I don't know what makes this any different from factor two, really, but that's what the science-talking-guys say.
I don't deny individual rights. Rights are agreements between individuals, or they mean nothing. Without the agreement to defend and uphold the right, "right" is just a word. Individuals have rights if they can negotiate for those rights. Any attempt to fix rights as natural or God given is simply an appeal to authority. It might convince someone to honor that right, but it is only because they are3 convinced that it becomes a right.
Government is just a group of individuals. If an individual can claim land, then by definition, so can a government. You can't claim someone else's land, even if they are not using it. Ever hear the song, "This Land is My Land?" Yeah, well, just like any other corporation, we claimed this land. If you are a citizen, it's your land too, and you can attempt to change the rules about it through the channels we have agreed to. If you don't want to do that, or you aren't a citizen, you can always fight us for it.
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Please, do you not understand the difference between 'knew about beforehand' and 'inside job?' Your bloviation means nothing until you address that point.
Proof that my statement is false or GTFO.
If you are interested, look it up, or read further down where we are discussing it. I'm not here to guide you by the hand, sorry.
The data for the weekly tracking polls contained statistical anomalies. The data for this poll does not. Simple as that. You may not want to believe how crazy the right wing are, but that does not change the facts.
The numbers used in that poll were never questioned, and were backed up by plenty of other polls. If you have some evidence that this particular poll was faked, please, post it. Just saying "Well, they were caught faking the weekly polls, so all their polls must be false" is simply bullshit. It's not as if Research2000 is a partisan polling firm, they have been used by a number of clients both right and left. They cut corners to make a buck, not to make any particular group look bad.
No, I did follow that link and it does not call the poll findings into question. If you have a link that does purport to question the numbers in that poll, please, post it.
Bullshit. She was explaining how she overcame her racial biases and helped the farmer after the white lawyer she sent him to screwed up. The farmer's wife even went on air to defend the lady.
Idiot. She was explaining how we all have racial biases, and how class is more important than race, how she and that poor white farmer had more in common than she does with a rich black guy, how she overcame her racial biases and helped the guy out after the white lawyer she sent him to screwed up, and how the farmer and his wife are now friends of hers. The wife even went on air to defend the lady.
Could you give me a citation backing up your claims?
Huh? Who was unfairly accused of racism, lost their job, and had no one listen to their story besides this lady?
You can't type? Here you go then, let me just google that for you.
http://www.google.com/search?q=poll+of+right+wing+beliefs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
As I have stated in this thread, go google 'poll of right wing beliefs.' This was a big news item two months ago, I'm actually surprised you did not hear of it. It was even on Fox News.
I'm sorry, but 'knew about 9/11 in advance' is not '9/11 was an inside job.' Thirty five percent is a minority, and 'not sure' means 'not sure,' so I'm in the majority.
Please report to remedial English, and after that, remedial math, m'kay?
Bullshit. The numbers on that poll were not made up. You are the first person claiming that that particular poll contains false data. The only polls with disputed numbers were the weekly tracking polls. Heck, it's in the first sentence of the article you link to.
Research 2000 defrauded dailyKos. DailyKos themselves broke the story and sued the pollster. The poll I mention was not one that was faked. No one (except, I suppose, you) debates the numbers in the poll of Republican opinions, and they have been backed up by other polls.
Seriously, this just made you look bad. Learn to find good information.
Really? This poll was all over the news two months ago, everyone was commenting on it. Google 'poll of right wing beliefs' if you need a citation, this isn't wikipedia and I'm not your research assistant.
Google 'poll of right wing beliefs' if you don't believe me. Obama derangement syndrome has driven right wingers absolutely crazy. They can not believe a black liberal is president, that a black man is smarter and more powerful than they are. These small minded bigots have always excused their own shortcomings by saying, "I may be a complete failure, but at least I'm not black!" Well, now they have nothing, and it has driven them bug berserk.
Sarah Palin quit half way through her term as governor, demonstrating she is a quitter. She has demonstrated a complete lack of intelligence, the next most important quality of a leader.
I can't believe anyone is defending Sarah Palin. Seriously, you demonstrate my point about irrat5inal right wing beliefs for me.
That is a false equivalency, very few in the left wing believe 9/11 was an inside job, and they are roundly denounced by the rest of us. The right wing, however, holds some very crazy beliefs very strongly.
# 39 percent of Republicans believe Obama should be impeached, 29 percent are not sure, 32 percent said he should not be voted out of office.
# 36 percent of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States, 22 percent are not sure, 42 percent think he is a natural citizen.
# 31 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a "Racist who hates White people" -- the description once adopted by Fox News's Glenn Beck. 33 percent were not sure, and 36 percent said he was not a racist.
# 63 percent of Republicans think Obama is a socialist, 16 percent are not sure, 21 percent say he is not
Story continues below
# 24 percent of Republicans believe Obama wants "the terrorists to win," 33 percent aren't sure, 43 percent said he did not want the terrorist to win.
# 21 percent of Republicans believe ACORN stole the 2008 election, 55 percent are not sure, 24 percent said the community organizing group did not steal the election.
# 23 percent of Republicans believe that their state should secede from the United States, 19 percent aren't sure, 58 percent said no.
# 53 percent of Republicans said they believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.
The Daily Caller is not 'press' though, and that story is a great example of a ridiculous lie. Rev Wright's statements were taken out of context, videos were edited to make him look bad, but you NEVER saw that mentioned in the corporate conservative press.
So what do we say about the idiots that saw the faked Shirley Sharrod video up on breitbart.com and rushed to denounce her and the NAACP as racist, when in fact the original video shows the exact opposite? And by idiots, I mean both the smug race baiting liars that put this up, the Obama administration that pressured for her resignation, and the NAACP itself for falling for a breitbart/Faux news lie in the first place and denouncing her. Brietbart is the guy who destroyed ACORN with false accusations and edited video, it's what he does, and yet, the idiots in the Obama administration and the NAACP fell for it. They walked right into his trap. See, if it never came out that the video was faked, it's a win if the administration and the NAACP do not react. But since they did react, why, simply reveal the video was fake and denounce them as idiots for falling for your trap.
People will believe anything. If we had to appoint guardians for every nut-job that believed a patently obvious lie, there wouldn't be enough non-nut-job guardians to go around.
The difference, of course, is that your right wing friends won't believe you.
Nuclear reactors do not need to carry extra fuel, and so the endurance of a ship at sea is not limited by the amount of fuel it can carry. Carrying less fuel, the ship can carry more supplies and ammunition.
Okay, I get that translation now. Meh. I always looked at the four noble truths as something Buddha came up with to do the most good for the most people while doing the least harm for most people. He was very good at meeting people where they are at. But sometimes that means simplifying things.
So the first noble truth is really 'more than likely, they way you are leading your life now, you are creating unnecessary suffering in yourself and others.' Not quite as catchy. But of course, the fourth noble truth states there is a path out of suffering, which is where this translation falls over for me. because in this translation, truth four says, "there is a path to satisfaction." But chasing satisfaction is chasing happiness, and this won't work. Specifically, chasing enlightenment is the second surest way not to get there, right after not chasing it. There's a reason Buddhism is called the middle path.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your analysis of why religion matters.
Unsatisfaction? Never heard it translated that way, I thought it was 'suffering.' Which means more than just sickness, old age, and death. Every good thing contains suffering, if only in that you will miss it when you don't have it. In fact, 'pain' is not even really suffering. Suffering is when we create ideas in our heads that make us unhappy, punishing ourselves for our failures, replaying painful events, fearing the loss of pleasurable things, and generally making assumptions and then having feelings about those assumptions as if they were real.
Scientists have done world wide satisfaction polls. Turns out, most people are happy and satisfied with life. Also, only three factors make any sort of a difference, statistically speaking, in whether or not you are satisfied with life. First, do you have enough money to meet your basic needs? Having more won't make you any happier on average, but having less will make you unhappy. Second, do you have a tight knit and supportive community? Being lonely makes you unhappy. Third, do you have a tight knit and supportive religion? I don't know what makes this any different from factor two, really, but that's what the science-talking-guys say.
I don't deny individual rights. Rights are agreements between individuals, or they mean nothing. Without the agreement to defend and uphold the right, "right" is just a word. Individuals have rights if they can negotiate for those rights. Any attempt to fix rights as natural or God given is simply an appeal to authority. It might convince someone to honor that right, but it is only because they are3 convinced that it becomes a right.
Government is just a group of individuals. If an individual can claim land, then by definition, so can a government. You can't claim someone else's land, even if they are not using it. Ever hear the song, "This Land is My Land?" Yeah, well, just like any other corporation, we claimed this land. If you are a citizen, it's your land too, and you can attempt to change the rules about it through the channels we have agreed to. If you don't want to do that, or you aren't a citizen, you can always fight us for it.