Trolling Apple users is always fun. But actually, yeah, I agree that it's a neat perspective and something I would maybe try out, but never something I would use day to day. I'm an old fuddy duddy cli purist that way. Give me putty and some text configuration files over the "Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer" interface any day.
That assumes anyone would want to run it in another OS. It is a utility for Apple fanatics, not normal computer users. Really, only an Apple fanatic would even think something like this is useful or necessary.
RAM and bandwidth are cheap, why not add tons of bells and whistles? They may not make anything more functional, but they make it more fun, and that's what counts, right? Oh, it's only for Mac? Well that makes perfect sense.
Hell no, bucky, prison is a for profit industry these days. Prison is the new plantation. In California, for instance, prison industries are exempt from environmental and safety regulations. And state agencies are required to buy from a prison industry where one exists, even if the products are inferior, unsafe, and more expensive than those available on the free market.
The powers that be have every incentive to create more, and more ridiculous, crimes. After all, if you are wealthy and politically connected, you can commit any crime you like with impunity, so what does it matter to you that everything is now a crime?
You know, I've heard a few other people claim that Activists and community organizers hurt the people who they try to help, but where is your proof? To me, that again sounds like a self serving philosophy, "I shouldn't try to help others, because people who try to help others only end up hurting them."
Your philosophy is designed for the sole purpose of evading responsibility for one's actions. It allows a person to believe that nothing they do could impact another person's moral choices. In this philosophy, all of the unfairness and injustice in the world can not affect a person's choices. No matter how the world and society damages them, society and the world are not to blame for any bad choices the victim makes, they are.
By your philosophy, you are not responsible for how your choices and actions impact another person. You are not responsible for your racism, your prejudices, the unfair advantage you take, the slights you give, or any of the unintended consequences of your actions. In your philosophy, each man is an island, making decisions unaffected by any circumstance in the universe. Everyone stands alone and uninfluenced by their surroundings. You do not have to even consider how your actions hurt others, they are responsible for their decisions, and their decisions come only from inside themselves.
What's worse, you hate those you consider inferior so much that you begrudge the help that anyone else gives them. You have decided they are unworthy of help. You have decided that the only way to turn them into decent humans is to punish them more. Well, the universe has been punishing most of them since the day they were born, with your help, and that has not turned them into good people. Just the opposite. Your philosophy creates the very problem it purports to fix, creating the very evil it claims to destroy.
Socialists do not seek equal outcomes, we seek equal opportunity. You believe that equal opportunity already exists, and that people who deny it exists just haven't tried hard enough. That is a position that only someone with privilege could hold. When someone who is not part of the dominant culture tries on your philosophy, it fails them utterly. They know it is false because they do try their hardest, they do all the things that the philosophy tells them to do, and it just doesn't work. It works for you only because you are part of the dominant culture. Any philosophy would work for you, because you have unfair privileges you never earned.
You all actually know that we only seek equal opportunity, but you also subconsciously know that you have had unfair opportunities others did not. You do not want to admit to yourself that you got where you were through luck and unfair advantage, that contradicts the story you tell yourself about your own excellence. So you will fight to the death to maintain your unfair advantages, because otherwise, you would need to rewrite your own life story, and in that rewritten and more honest story, you are not the hero you tell yourself that you are.
You will fight to the death to maintain your privilege, and I will fight to the death to ensure equal opportunity, so we will always be in conflict.
We have been blinded by the Vast Oligarchical Masonic Banking Illuminati Conspiracy (or VOMBIC) and we can not see the forest for the trees. Please enlighten us, how did the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project cause the release of radon, local ionization of the lower atmosphere, and subsequent water vapor condensation leading to localized lower atmospheric heating?
You don't know me or my life story. I spent more time in slums and poor areas than you ever will. I was a community organizer, labor activist, social justice activist, anti-war activist, and anti hunger activist throughout my twenties.
And you are not adding anything to the conversation here, you are just making the same assertions without any additional corroborating evidence. All you do is try to put a pretty bow on it by claiming I don't understand. Nice.
My intentions may or may not be pure. Who cares? Results matter. Facts matter. And you have not presented any facts, merely opinions. You have not presented any specific results, just generalities. What can I even argue against? You have presented no facts for me to refute, no coherent position, just opinions. Yes, I get it. You think all people, rich or poor, deserve the circumstances they find themselves in. The rich are good, the poor are bad, and the world works just as it should work, with fairness and opportunity for all who would take them.
Do you not see how self serving that philosophy is to the privileged? It means you deserve all good things that happen to you, while everyone else deserves all bad things that happen to them, and you are not required to care, because it is all fair and just.
Hitler did not get all that money from the Jews, don't forget, he brought Germany out of the recession before he started stealing from the Jews. The difference between the Jews and the Rich is that the Jews are defined by their ethnic identity, while the rich are defined by their actions. In the first case, they were saying, "Jews do not deserve their wealth because they are Jews, and Jews are all bad people." In the second case, we are saying "Bad people do not deserve their wealth because they stole it." See the difference? The first case is prejudice. The second case is rule of law. Socialists are not saying "Take everything away from all rich people." We are saying, "Abide by the rule of law, and punish the rich when they break the law."
We, the people, decide the law of our land. If we want to make murder illegal, we make murder illegal and we put cops on the beat hunting down murderers. If we want to make selling certain types of financial instruments illegal, we make that illegal and we put cops on the beat hunting down Wall Street cheats and con men. It is not "government regulation" any more or less than saying "Thou shalt not kill" is government regulation. We aren't advocating "seizing their property" we are advocating "returning the stolen property to its rightful owners." Sure, the Nazis said they were returning the property the Jews stole, but they were lying. You either have to say, "No returning stolen property, EVER, that's just redistribution of wealth" or you have to recognize that sometimes, taking someone's property is a valid act that is, in fact, protecting someone else's rightful property.
We are not taking from the Evil Group. We are making a case by case determination of who has broken the law and is thus in possession of stolen property, and we are returning that stolen property. Protection of property is a very basic function of government. One I'm sure you can wholeheartedly support. So we are not arguing whether the policy is a good one, we are only arguing over when to apply it. You seem to believe that all rich people deserve to keep their property, that none of them have taken anything unfairly. I say, some have stolen what they have, while some have earned it. And based on the amount the ultra wealthy thieves have stolen, taken their stolen property from them and giving it back to the rightful owners should be our top priority.
I'm sure that you would agree that when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't profit from it. I'm sure you would agree that we must protect everyone's right to the fruits of their own labor. But you have this systemic prejudice that says, if a man is rich, he must have earned it, while I have a systemic prejudice that says, if a man is rich, we must scrutinize his actions to ensure his wealth was not ill-gotten. To me, it is almost as if you look at a man running from a bank with a gun and a bag of money and say, "hmm, he sure has a lot of money. People who have a lot of money are all superior people. I'm sure he must have just made a withdrawal from his account." While I look at the same scene and think, "bank robber."
While caffeine is bitter, it is not the major component of the bitter flavor in coffee, which actually comes from tannins. Tannins take longer to extract than other flavor compounds, so be sure that you do not steep your coffee for longer than six minutes, Most drip coffee makers take at least eight minutes to brew, guaranteeing a bad cup of coffee. I have found that pre-heating the water before putting it in an automatic drip coffee maker can reduce the time it takes to brew. I use an electric kettle, and remove the water right before it boils so it retains its oxygenation and doesn't taste flat.
Progressive income tax?!? From Hans-Joachim Braun, "The German Economy in the Twentieth Century", Routledge, 1990, p. 114, "The top income tax rate in 1941 was 13.7% in Germany as opposed to 23.7% in Great Britain."
The Nazis were a populist movement, like the Tea Party here in America. But unlike the Tea Party, the Nazis actually supported the working class because the working class supported them. And, as disgusting as their other policies were, their "socialist" policies brought Germany from deep depression to full employment in four years. So, if you were trying to smear socialism by tying it to the Nazis, you failed, because that part of Nazi policy actually worked. If it hadn't, Germany would never have been a real threat to the rest of the world.
Do you believe that others do not desire to improve their lives? If not, why not, and what can be done to inculcate that desire? Do you think that others are unwilling or unable to learn from their peers as you do? You really haven't answered the question. You haven't said what the difference is between you and a loser. You've just mentioned what you do, in terms that I feel apply to everyone. Who doesn't want to improve their life? Who doesn't observe others?
Simply adding a few details to your observation that some people appear to want to try, and others don't, also doesn't help. Unless of course all you are looking for is an excuse not to care. Just chalk up their whole life story to "Well they are a bad person and deserve all the bad things that happen to them and we should never try to help them because it only encourages them." Congratulations. You've solves the problem, in that you've simply decided it's not your problem and you don't have to care.
Of course, all those fuckups are still there, fucking up. Maybe you should punish them for their failures some more, to encourage them not to fail. Not working? Well, maybe there's just no helping them. Maybe they are just bad eggs. And there's only one thing to do with bad eggs, right? Throw them out.
You see, to me anyhow, the line of reasoning that begins with "people do bad things because they are bad people" invariably leads to the solution that tyrants always employ: "kill the bad people."
People aren't ever trapped poverty. They are trapped by the expectations of their peers and their society. They can't imagine a different path for themselves, they can only visualize the path that their society shows them. You simply can't expect that everyone is going to be the type of person who can throw off societal expectations and march to the beat of a different drummer. Genetically speaking, we're rare. If we were all marching to the beat of a different drummer instead of just doing what society expects of us, society would collapse. We need followers at least as much as we need leaders. But leaders have a responsibility to followers, to help them imagine a better life for themselves, and to help them find the path from here to there.
We are the ones who have failed, not them. We've failed to do our jobs as leaders, to help people imagine a way towards a better future.
You see, your line of reasoning leads to the conclusion, "Fuck the world and the sorry ass people who live on it, I'm in this for me." while my line of reasoning leads me to the conclusion that I and others like me need to think of some new solutions and work a little harder at implementing them.
Not to be a self congratulatory dick, but I'm glad there are more people who believe as I do than believe what you believe.
You know that the phrase "Godwinning a thread" does not indicate a value judgment, right? It is not necessarily considered a bad thing to bring up Nazis. The original quote was something along the lines of "The longer a discussion goes on, the higher the probability that someone will mention Nazis"
As time went on, though, the meaning started to shift towards "Inappropriate mention of the Nazis in a thread." However, as we have people here essentially advocating Nazi eugenics policies, I don't think the mention is inappropriate.
Sorry I was harsh, but I won't tolerate the elitist belief that if we just stop helping the needy, everything would be peachy keen. People are only what society makes us. Raise an Einstein in a barren locked closet and you won't have a genius, you'll have an animal. Raise a Ghandi or Mother Theresa with the right kind of abuse, and you won't have a saint, you'll have a monster.
If people are scum, who should we blame? Only the lazy blame the scum themselves. If people are scum, it is because society made them that way. Personal responsibility is an illusion. It assumes the existence of a person separate from their conditions. Nothing exists outside of the conditions that create it. Punishing wrongdoers does not redress some sort of imbalance. We punish wrongdoers for practical reasons, to get them to stop. What "personal responsibility" really means is "I refuse to be my brother's keeper." It is an abdication of the responsibility we all share to co-create the sort of world we want.
Certain types of powerful people do not want us to love, help, and support each other because they want us utterly dependent on them. They want us all poor and desperate. The first step in their master plan is to get us all to hate the poor, and to blame the needy for their problems rather than empathizing with them and helping them solve their problems. This is why I take exception to your line of thinking. When you fail to empathize with the less fortunate, you are helping sociopaths destroy humanity.
Sure, you contributed to society, while they abused their parents. You're a fucking saint. And they, of course, they are all sub human animals. You fell into homelessness through no fault of your own, but they chose it out of laziness.
Who knows, though, maybe you did everything right and still came out unlucky. And maybe they aren't all father raping sub human animals. Maybe those others are more similar to you than you care to admit.
Sure, there are bastards and evil people in the world. But I don't worry about the little man who steals and cheats out of desperation, even though I lost an eye in a mugging to just such a person. I worry about the slick sociopath at the top, the man who creates the conditions of desperation that breed the criminals you worry about.
So, continue to rant about the evil leaves. I will be hacking at the roots.
You ignore your own privilege and luck in having the life you do. You abdicate responsibility for the world you help create. But things happen for a reason. Cause and effect explain everything. Nothing happens without a cause. Nothing in this world is an uncaused or first cause. That includes the human will.
Nobody wants smackhead thieves on their doorstep, but why do smackhead thieves exist? Simply chalking it up to "people are scum" doesn't answer anything. It is a cop-out by people who feel entitled to the life they have, and who do not want to help others because they are self centered and lazy.
How is it that you ended up homeless through no fault of your own, but these "others," these bad people, when they are homeless, it is because they are worthless scum? Here is my thought on the matter: karma is a bitch and you got what you deserved. Those smackhead thieves deserve help. You don't. The fact that the world is fucking with you is simply proof that the world is fair after all.
Spun, you are in a particularly righteous rage today. Not to say that this is bad, but is it healthy?
Of course not. Love, acceptance and understanding are healthy. Righteous rage is simply dangerous. Thought shuts down when strong emotions are present. I should try harder to understand and empathize with people like disheveled, it is the only way that that mindset will change. But understanding and empathizing with that sort of evil thought pattern is hard, dirty work. Sometimes, especially on the Internet, it's just too hard for me.
You wouldn't know the truth if it shoved you in a fucking gas chamber. You live in a disgusting, hellish nightmare world of your own making, but none of it is real. It is just your sick fantasy. And you will never escape from it. You will never know real love, or real friendship. You will never know complete openness and honesty with another conscious entity. You will be, in your own mind, alone, loveless, friendless, and without allies until the day you die. Have fun with that.
Good call. Or we could call it "Actual Nazi Social Policy." It's all just an intellectual excuse to be a total dick, and to believe that by being a total dick, you are doing the right thing. If it didn't have horrific real world consequences, it would be hilarious in its obvious, self serving inanity.
No, "The fact" that the poor and stupid breed more is not a fact, it is the plot of a comedy movie.
You are a sick, elitist Social Darwinist who doesn't have clue one how evolution really works.
"Those who breed more successfully" aren't the only one's whose genes get passed on. Look at eusocial insects like bees and ants, they have castes that don't breed at all, how do they pass on their genes?
Hopefully, it is the people like you who fail to breed. You are a sick fuck. Why bring up your idiotic, self aggrandizing fantasy that the stupid are breeding more? Obviously, you think that is bad. And obviously, you want something done about it or you would have kept your fucking fascist mouth shut.
Yeah, we should really do something about all the stupid people. Starting with you.
Dude. No. Trillions are chump change. A trillion times a trillion is chump change compared to the number of IPv6 addresses. 2^128 is a very big number.
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Forget to log off? He created the account just to post to this very story.
Won't someone think of the rabid zombie children?!?
Trolling Apple users is always fun. But actually, yeah, I agree that it's a neat perspective and something I would maybe try out, but never something I would use day to day. I'm an old fuddy duddy cli purist that way. Give me putty and some text configuration files over the "Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer" interface any day.
That assumes anyone would want to run it in another OS. It is a utility for Apple fanatics, not normal computer users. Really, only an Apple fanatic would even think something like this is useful or necessary.
RAM and bandwidth are cheap, why not add tons of bells and whistles? They may not make anything more functional, but they make it more fun, and that's what counts, right? Oh, it's only for Mac? Well that makes perfect sense.
Hell no, bucky, prison is a for profit industry these days. Prison is the new plantation. In California, for instance, prison industries are exempt from environmental and safety regulations. And state agencies are required to buy from a prison industry where one exists, even if the products are inferior, unsafe, and more expensive than those available on the free market.
The powers that be have every incentive to create more, and more ridiculous, crimes. After all, if you are wealthy and politically connected, you can commit any crime you like with impunity, so what does it matter to you that everything is now a crime?
You know, I've heard a few other people claim that Activists and community organizers hurt the people who they try to help, but where is your proof? To me, that again sounds like a self serving philosophy, "I shouldn't try to help others, because people who try to help others only end up hurting them."
Your philosophy is designed for the sole purpose of evading responsibility for one's actions. It allows a person to believe that nothing they do could impact another person's moral choices. In this philosophy, all of the unfairness and injustice in the world can not affect a person's choices. No matter how the world and society damages them, society and the world are not to blame for any bad choices the victim makes, they are.
By your philosophy, you are not responsible for how your choices and actions impact another person. You are not responsible for your racism, your prejudices, the unfair advantage you take, the slights you give, or any of the unintended consequences of your actions. In your philosophy, each man is an island, making decisions unaffected by any circumstance in the universe. Everyone stands alone and uninfluenced by their surroundings. You do not have to even consider how your actions hurt others, they are responsible for their decisions, and their decisions come only from inside themselves.
What's worse, you hate those you consider inferior so much that you begrudge the help that anyone else gives them. You have decided they are unworthy of help. You have decided that the only way to turn them into decent humans is to punish them more. Well, the universe has been punishing most of them since the day they were born, with your help, and that has not turned them into good people. Just the opposite. Your philosophy creates the very problem it purports to fix, creating the very evil it claims to destroy.
Socialists do not seek equal outcomes, we seek equal opportunity. You believe that equal opportunity already exists, and that people who deny it exists just haven't tried hard enough. That is a position that only someone with privilege could hold. When someone who is not part of the dominant culture tries on your philosophy, it fails them utterly. They know it is false because they do try their hardest, they do all the things that the philosophy tells them to do, and it just doesn't work. It works for you only because you are part of the dominant culture. Any philosophy would work for you, because you have unfair privileges you never earned.
You all actually know that we only seek equal opportunity, but you also subconsciously know that you have had unfair opportunities others did not. You do not want to admit to yourself that you got where you were through luck and unfair advantage, that contradicts the story you tell yourself about your own excellence. So you will fight to the death to maintain your unfair advantages, because otherwise, you would need to rewrite your own life story, and in that rewritten and more honest story, you are not the hero you tell yourself that you are.
You will fight to the death to maintain your privilege, and I will fight to the death to ensure equal opportunity, so we will always be in conflict.
Do not be fooled by their furry cuteness. They would just as soon kill you and everyone you love, for fun.
We have been blinded by the Vast Oligarchical Masonic Banking Illuminati Conspiracy (or VOMBIC) and we can not see the forest for the trees. Please enlighten us, how did the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project cause the release of radon, local ionization of the lower atmosphere, and subsequent water vapor condensation leading to localized lower atmospheric heating?
You don't know me or my life story. I spent more time in slums and poor areas than you ever will. I was a community organizer, labor activist, social justice activist, anti-war activist, and anti hunger activist throughout my twenties.
And you are not adding anything to the conversation here, you are just making the same assertions without any additional corroborating evidence. All you do is try to put a pretty bow on it by claiming I don't understand. Nice.
My intentions may or may not be pure. Who cares? Results matter. Facts matter. And you have not presented any facts, merely opinions. You have not presented any specific results, just generalities. What can I even argue against? You have presented no facts for me to refute, no coherent position, just opinions. Yes, I get it. You think all people, rich or poor, deserve the circumstances they find themselves in. The rich are good, the poor are bad, and the world works just as it should work, with fairness and opportunity for all who would take them.
Do you not see how self serving that philosophy is to the privileged? It means you deserve all good things that happen to you, while everyone else deserves all bad things that happen to them, and you are not required to care, because it is all fair and just.
Hitler did not get all that money from the Jews, don't forget, he brought Germany out of the recession before he started stealing from the Jews. The difference between the Jews and the Rich is that the Jews are defined by their ethnic identity, while the rich are defined by their actions. In the first case, they were saying, "Jews do not deserve their wealth because they are Jews, and Jews are all bad people." In the second case, we are saying "Bad people do not deserve their wealth because they stole it." See the difference? The first case is prejudice. The second case is rule of law. Socialists are not saying "Take everything away from all rich people." We are saying, "Abide by the rule of law, and punish the rich when they break the law."
We, the people, decide the law of our land. If we want to make murder illegal, we make murder illegal and we put cops on the beat hunting down murderers. If we want to make selling certain types of financial instruments illegal, we make that illegal and we put cops on the beat hunting down Wall Street cheats and con men. It is not "government regulation" any more or less than saying "Thou shalt not kill" is government regulation. We aren't advocating "seizing their property" we are advocating "returning the stolen property to its rightful owners." Sure, the Nazis said they were returning the property the Jews stole, but they were lying. You either have to say, "No returning stolen property, EVER, that's just redistribution of wealth" or you have to recognize that sometimes, taking someone's property is a valid act that is, in fact, protecting someone else's rightful property.
We are not taking from the Evil Group. We are making a case by case determination of who has broken the law and is thus in possession of stolen property, and we are returning that stolen property. Protection of property is a very basic function of government. One I'm sure you can wholeheartedly support. So we are not arguing whether the policy is a good one, we are only arguing over when to apply it. You seem to believe that all rich people deserve to keep their property, that none of them have taken anything unfairly. I say, some have stolen what they have, while some have earned it. And based on the amount the ultra wealthy thieves have stolen, taken their stolen property from them and giving it back to the rightful owners should be our top priority.
I'm sure that you would agree that when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't profit from it. I'm sure you would agree that we must protect everyone's right to the fruits of their own labor. But you have this systemic prejudice that says, if a man is rich, he must have earned it, while I have a systemic prejudice that says, if a man is rich, we must scrutinize his actions to ensure his wealth was not ill-gotten. To me, it is almost as if you look at a man running from a bank with a gun and a bag of money and say, "hmm, he sure has a lot of money. People who have a lot of money are all superior people. I'm sure he must have just made a withdrawal from his account." While I look at the same scene and think, "bank robber."
While caffeine is bitter, it is not the major component of the bitter flavor in coffee, which actually comes from tannins. Tannins take longer to extract than other flavor compounds, so be sure that you do not steep your coffee for longer than six minutes, Most drip coffee makers take at least eight minutes to brew, guaranteeing a bad cup of coffee. I have found that pre-heating the water before putting it in an automatic drip coffee maker can reduce the time it takes to brew. I use an electric kettle, and remove the water right before it boils so it retains its oxygenation and doesn't taste flat.
Progressive income tax?!? From Hans-Joachim Braun, "The German Economy in the Twentieth Century", Routledge, 1990, p. 114, "The top income tax rate in 1941 was 13.7% in Germany as opposed to 23.7% in Great Britain."
The Nazis were a populist movement, like the Tea Party here in America. But unlike the Tea Party, the Nazis actually supported the working class because the working class supported them. And, as disgusting as their other policies were, their "socialist" policies brought Germany from deep depression to full employment in four years. So, if you were trying to smear socialism by tying it to the Nazis, you failed, because that part of Nazi policy actually worked. If it hadn't, Germany would never have been a real threat to the rest of the world.
Do you believe that others do not desire to improve their lives? If not, why not, and what can be done to inculcate that desire? Do you think that others are unwilling or unable to learn from their peers as you do? You really haven't answered the question. You haven't said what the difference is between you and a loser. You've just mentioned what you do, in terms that I feel apply to everyone. Who doesn't want to improve their life? Who doesn't observe others?
Simply adding a few details to your observation that some people appear to want to try, and others don't, also doesn't help. Unless of course all you are looking for is an excuse not to care. Just chalk up their whole life story to "Well they are a bad person and deserve all the bad things that happen to them and we should never try to help them because it only encourages them." Congratulations. You've solves the problem, in that you've simply decided it's not your problem and you don't have to care.
Of course, all those fuckups are still there, fucking up. Maybe you should punish them for their failures some more, to encourage them not to fail. Not working? Well, maybe there's just no helping them. Maybe they are just bad eggs. And there's only one thing to do with bad eggs, right? Throw them out.
You see, to me anyhow, the line of reasoning that begins with "people do bad things because they are bad people" invariably leads to the solution that tyrants always employ: "kill the bad people."
People aren't ever trapped poverty. They are trapped by the expectations of their peers and their society. They can't imagine a different path for themselves, they can only visualize the path that their society shows them. You simply can't expect that everyone is going to be the type of person who can throw off societal expectations and march to the beat of a different drummer. Genetically speaking, we're rare. If we were all marching to the beat of a different drummer instead of just doing what society expects of us, society would collapse. We need followers at least as much as we need leaders. But leaders have a responsibility to followers, to help them imagine a better life for themselves, and to help them find the path from here to there.
We are the ones who have failed, not them. We've failed to do our jobs as leaders, to help people imagine a way towards a better future.
You see, your line of reasoning leads to the conclusion, "Fuck the world and the sorry ass people who live on it, I'm in this for me." while my line of reasoning leads me to the conclusion that I and others like me need to think of some new solutions and work a little harder at implementing them.
Not to be a self congratulatory dick, but I'm glad there are more people who believe as I do than believe what you believe.
You know that the phrase "Godwinning a thread" does not indicate a value judgment, right? It is not necessarily considered a bad thing to bring up Nazis. The original quote was something along the lines of "The longer a discussion goes on, the higher the probability that someone will mention Nazis"
As time went on, though, the meaning started to shift towards "Inappropriate mention of the Nazis in a thread." However, as we have people here essentially advocating Nazi eugenics policies, I don't think the mention is inappropriate.
What utter bullshit. Please back up your outrageous claims with some sort of citations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi#Ideology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany
Hmm, it looks as though you either do not know history, or you are trying to revise it to suit your political ideology.
What caused you to make the right choices and them to make the wrong ones?
Sorry I was harsh, but I won't tolerate the elitist belief that if we just stop helping the needy, everything would be peachy keen. People are only what society makes us. Raise an Einstein in a barren locked closet and you won't have a genius, you'll have an animal. Raise a Ghandi or Mother Theresa with the right kind of abuse, and you won't have a saint, you'll have a monster.
If people are scum, who should we blame? Only the lazy blame the scum themselves. If people are scum, it is because society made them that way. Personal responsibility is an illusion. It assumes the existence of a person separate from their conditions. Nothing exists outside of the conditions that create it. Punishing wrongdoers does not redress some sort of imbalance. We punish wrongdoers for practical reasons, to get them to stop. What "personal responsibility" really means is "I refuse to be my brother's keeper." It is an abdication of the responsibility we all share to co-create the sort of world we want.
Certain types of powerful people do not want us to love, help, and support each other because they want us utterly dependent on them. They want us all poor and desperate. The first step in their master plan is to get us all to hate the poor, and to blame the needy for their problems rather than empathizing with them and helping them solve their problems. This is why I take exception to your line of thinking. When you fail to empathize with the less fortunate, you are helping sociopaths destroy humanity.
Sure, you contributed to society, while they abused their parents. You're a fucking saint. And they, of course, they are all sub human animals. You fell into homelessness through no fault of your own, but they chose it out of laziness.
Who knows, though, maybe you did everything right and still came out unlucky. And maybe they aren't all father raping sub human animals. Maybe those others are more similar to you than you care to admit.
Sure, there are bastards and evil people in the world. But I don't worry about the little man who steals and cheats out of desperation, even though I lost an eye in a mugging to just such a person. I worry about the slick sociopath at the top, the man who creates the conditions of desperation that breed the criminals you worry about.
So, continue to rant about the evil leaves. I will be hacking at the roots.
You ignore your own privilege and luck in having the life you do. You abdicate responsibility for the world you help create. But things happen for a reason. Cause and effect explain everything. Nothing happens without a cause. Nothing in this world is an uncaused or first cause. That includes the human will.
Nobody wants smackhead thieves on their doorstep, but why do smackhead thieves exist? Simply chalking it up to "people are scum" doesn't answer anything. It is a cop-out by people who feel entitled to the life they have, and who do not want to help others because they are self centered and lazy.
How is it that you ended up homeless through no fault of your own, but these "others," these bad people, when they are homeless, it is because they are worthless scum? Here is my thought on the matter: karma is a bitch and you got what you deserved. Those smackhead thieves deserve help. You don't. The fact that the world is fucking with you is simply proof that the world is fair after all.
Spun, you are in a particularly righteous rage today. Not to say that this is bad, but is it healthy?
Of course not. Love, acceptance and understanding are healthy. Righteous rage is simply dangerous. Thought shuts down when strong emotions are present. I should try harder to understand and empathize with people like disheveled, it is the only way that that mindset will change. But understanding and empathizing with that sort of evil thought pattern is hard, dirty work. Sometimes, especially on the Internet, it's just too hard for me.
You wouldn't know the truth if it shoved you in a fucking gas chamber. You live in a disgusting, hellish nightmare world of your own making, but none of it is real. It is just your sick fantasy. And you will never escape from it. You will never know real love, or real friendship. You will never know complete openness and honesty with another conscious entity. You will be, in your own mind, alone, loveless, friendless, and without allies until the day you die. Have fun with that.
Good call. Or we could call it "Actual Nazi Social Policy." It's all just an intellectual excuse to be a total dick, and to believe that by being a total dick, you are doing the right thing. If it didn't have horrific real world consequences, it would be hilarious in its obvious, self serving inanity.
No, "The fact" that the poor and stupid breed more is not a fact, it is the plot of a comedy movie.
You are a sick, elitist Social Darwinist who doesn't have clue one how evolution really works.
"Those who breed more successfully" aren't the only one's whose genes get passed on. Look at eusocial insects like bees and ants, they have castes that don't breed at all, how do they pass on their genes?
Hopefully, it is the people like you who fail to breed. You are a sick fuck. Why bring up your idiotic, self aggrandizing fantasy that the stupid are breeding more? Obviously, you think that is bad. And obviously, you want something done about it or you would have kept your fucking fascist mouth shut.
Yeah, we should really do something about all the stupid people. Starting with you.
Dude. No. Trillions are chump change. A trillion times a trillion is chump change compared to the number of IPv6 addresses. 2^128 is a very big number.