If limited liability only applies to capital, then why do corporations rather than the CEO or board get fined when the corporation commits a crime? People use corporations as a shield against prosecution all the time. It sickens me to see what they get away with, and that's just what we hear about. Corporations don't kill people, the people running corporations kill people, and they get away with it. For instance, why did Warren Anderson go free?
For cleaning vegetables anyway, a mild vinegar solution killed more bacteria on the surface of vegetables than did soap. The food scientists at the magazine explained that lowering the pH interferes with many kinds of biological processes inside bacterial cells. A quick Google search turned up this interesting site that recommends using hydrogen peroxide as well.
That being said, I think we should trust our immune systems more. Unless the immune system is compromised in some way, it does a bang up job fighting off most bacteria. When I was a kid, I played in the dirt and ate bugs. Now, I never get sick and I have no allergies. I think over-protecting the immune system not only weakens it, but causes it to focus on the wrong types of things, creating more allergies.
Heh. But to be honest, it's no worse than many private sector setups I've seen. I've inherited much bigger messes than this before. The one thing that really upset me, seeing as how it affected me directly, was the near criminal disregard for proper fiber channel cable routing to our SAN. We experienced two kinked cables before I got management to schedule some downtime to fix it.
Oh don't pity me, I don't have to support it. We're looking into open source alternatives, but we've got around 2,000 Access databases statewide. The really sad thing is, people are pulling copies of our main dataset from Sybase and working with those. Ugh. I want to slap the consultants who designed that thing.
We're going to be using PostgreSQL in our next major rewrite and we simply won't be allowing anyone to dump the entire dataset. You'd be surprised how much support there is for open source here, even among management. Most of our back end servers run Linux. That's why they brought me on here, and that is why, thankfully, I don't have anything to do with any Microsoft products.
I work in the public sector, and we don't use spit or duct tape much. We have custom software, it's not not ancient but it's written in COBOL anyway. The hardware is mostly new IBM blades and blade centers and we're phasing out the older stuff. We use Access databases, not Excel spreadsheets. But then, we're a state agency, not the Federal Government, so we may be doing it wrong.
I've never seen a paid individual make a stupid mistake like this. The captain of the Exxon Valdez was a volunteer with the Red Cross on a humanitarian mission. The Challenger and Columbia were piloted by kids from space camp. The original Tacoma Narrows bridge was designed by volunteers with Habitat for Humanity.
On the other hand, we all know that segregation & apartheid were both ended by paid professionals. If you want something big done right, only paid professionals can do it.
Dumb way of putting it, I know. The younger generation? Youngest? Twenty five to thirty somethings? I wasn't trying to make an exact science of it, I was trying to tweak the collective nose of the boomers.
Reread the original post he was replying to again and then tell me how what UbuntuDupe said was not simply a condescending restatement of the original 'nerds' comment, as if the OP did not make the point well enough, or we were just too dumb to get it.
The OP did a fine job of saying that CIA agents can be nerds too. You were just restating what he said in a condescending way that made it appear as if you were the only one here who realized what he was saying, and we all needed to be reminded that agents are people too. That's why I laid into you like that.
I didn't imply that you said torturing people was justified. That's a real strawman. I was using it as an example. I'm saying, why even mention that people in the CIA are real people? Do you really think we are all so childish as to completely demonize everyone we disagree with? Does the fact that they like Buffy excuse any immoral actions they take? I think you are being disingenuous and trying to do a little propagandizing yourself. It looks as though you are trying to build sympathy for Big Brother.
"I'm just saying, don't be surprised if the same guy who tries to manipulate the public's understanding, also likes Buffy."
Why even point out the blazingly obvious like that? What is your motivation?
It's important to get the word out about this kind of thing, and it seems you are trying to downplay the importance of it. Maybe we aren't surprised it is happening, but we still want to know the specifics. Your cynicism and moral relativity do nothing but attempt to excuse those who disseminate propaganda. You lump them in with people trying to make honest contributions. You use the word truth as if it were not related to objective, external reality. I don't find that insightful at all.
As much as it may astound us, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and Stalin were real people with real feelings and interests. To the extent that torturing people counts as a "real interest." Real people do really immoral things.
Well, back in your day you still had an unbiased media willing to report on protests without giving 'equal time' to the five person counter-protest in the name of 'balance.' So you don't hear about it as much. Also, people see that and feel that traditional methods of protest are not reaching any kind of mainstream audience anymore, so they don't participate as much. Don't forget, the vast majority of young people in the 60s never went to a single protest. As important as the counterculture was, it was still a very small minority. Even in the day, if you weren't part of it you wouldn't hear much about it.
And let us not forget the motivating power of self preservation. There's no draft today.
The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing George W. Bush to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.
You are in a debris room filled with stuff washed in from the surface. A low wide passage with cobbles becomes plugged with mud and debris here, but an awkward canyon leads upward and west. There is a PDP-10 with a card reader and terminal here. A box of punchcards sits nearby. > get box You now have the box of punchcards. > input cards You carefully feed the cards into the card reader. > look terminal The terminal says: YOU ARE STANDING AT THE END OF A ROAD BEFORE A SMALL BRICK BUILDING. AROUND YOU IS A FOREST. A SMALL STREAM FLOWS OUT OF THE BUILDING AND DOWN A GULLY.
My first exposure was when I was six. My friend's dad was a comp-sci professor at UNLV. He had a teleprinter at home, and could dial in to the mainframe at school. He would dial in and set me up in the games directory where I would waste reams of paper playing Colossal Cave Adventure, Hunt the Wumpus, and Lunar Lander. That experience definitely helped shape my love of computers and technology.
My own personal experience includes volunteering with Food not Bombs and Homes not Jails in San Francisco when Mayor Frank Jordan was trying to pull a Giuliani and get rid of the homeless, and getting beaten down by riot police; volunteering with Earth First on the Headwaters campaign and getting chased through the forest by loggers with chainsaws right after Judy Bari got blown up; volunteering with the IWW on the Borders Books and several other organizing drives; working with Greenpeace; and protesting the first Iraq war in DC. Amongst other things.
But I'm just giving the boomers a hard time because I feel sometimes like they are a bit self centered and don't want to acknowledge the contributions of other generations. They did some great things. My mom and dad were college hippies and went to a lot of protests too.
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If limited liability only applies to capital, then why do corporations rather than the CEO or board get fined when the corporation commits a crime? People use corporations as a shield against prosecution all the time. It sickens me to see what they get away with, and that's just what we hear about. Corporations don't kill people, the people running corporations kill people, and they get away with it. For instance, why did Warren Anderson go free?
For cleaning vegetables anyway, a mild vinegar solution killed more bacteria on the surface of vegetables than did soap. The food scientists at the magazine explained that lowering the pH interferes with many kinds of biological processes inside bacterial cells. A quick Google search turned up this interesting site that recommends using hydrogen peroxide as well.
That being said, I think we should trust our immune systems more. Unless the immune system is compromised in some way, it does a bang up job fighting off most bacteria. When I was a kid, I played in the dirt and ate bugs. Now, I never get sick and I have no allergies. I think over-protecting the immune system not only weakens it, but causes it to focus on the wrong types of things, creating more allergies.
There are still partnerships, the only thing we'd need to do away with is the whole limited liability thing.
Heh. But to be honest, it's no worse than many private sector setups I've seen. I've inherited much bigger messes than this before. The one thing that really upset me, seeing as how it affected me directly, was the near criminal disregard for proper fiber channel cable routing to our SAN. We experienced two kinked cables before I got management to schedule some downtime to fix it.
Oh don't pity me, I don't have to support it. We're looking into open source alternatives, but we've got around 2,000 Access databases statewide. The really sad thing is, people are pulling copies of our main dataset from Sybase and working with those. Ugh. I want to slap the consultants who designed that thing.
We're going to be using PostgreSQL in our next major rewrite and we simply won't be allowing anyone to dump the entire dataset. You'd be surprised how much support there is for open source here, even among management. Most of our back end servers run Linux. That's why they brought me on here, and that is why, thankfully, I don't have anything to do with any Microsoft products.
I work in the public sector, and we don't use spit or duct tape much. We have custom software, it's not not ancient but it's written in COBOL anyway. The hardware is mostly new IBM blades and blade centers and we're phasing out the older stuff. We use Access databases, not Excel spreadsheets. But then, we're a state agency, not the Federal Government, so we may be doing it wrong.
But then, so is the wife. The cat takes after her in that regard.
I've never seen a paid individual make a stupid mistake like this. The captain of the Exxon Valdez was a volunteer with the Red Cross on a humanitarian mission. The Challenger and Columbia were piloted by kids from space camp. The original Tacoma Narrows bridge was designed by volunteers with Habitat for Humanity.
On the other hand, we all know that segregation & apartheid were both ended by paid professionals. If you want something big done right, only paid professionals can do it.
Dumb way of putting it, I know. The younger generation? Youngest? Twenty five to thirty somethings? I wasn't trying to make an exact science of it, I was trying to tweak the collective nose of the boomers.
Oh wait, I do that all the time. Now I feel like I was just being a dick, and I apologize.
Reread the original post he was replying to again and then tell me how what UbuntuDupe said was not simply a condescending restatement of the original 'nerds' comment, as if the OP did not make the point well enough, or we were just too dumb to get it.
All he did was restate the OP's comment in a condescending way, as if we couldn't understand that CIA agents are people to from the 'nerds' comment.
The OP did a fine job of saying that CIA agents can be nerds too. You were just restating what he said in a condescending way that made it appear as if you were the only one here who realized what he was saying, and we all needed to be reminded that agents are people too. That's why I laid into you like that.
I didn't imply that you said torturing people was justified. That's a real strawman. I was using it as an example. I'm saying, why even mention that people in the CIA are real people? Do you really think we are all so childish as to completely demonize everyone we disagree with? Does the fact that they like Buffy excuse any immoral actions they take? I think you are being disingenuous and trying to do a little propagandizing yourself. It looks as though you are trying to build sympathy for Big Brother.
"I'm just saying, don't be surprised if the same guy who tries to manipulate the public's understanding, also likes Buffy."
Why even point out the blazingly obvious like that? What is your motivation?
It's important to get the word out about this kind of thing, and it seems you are trying to downplay the importance of it. Maybe we aren't surprised it is happening, but we still want to know the specifics. Your cynicism and moral relativity do nothing but attempt to excuse those who disseminate propaganda. You lump them in with people trying to make honest contributions. You use the word truth as if it were not related to objective, external reality. I don't find that insightful at all.
As much as it may astound us, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and Stalin were real people with real feelings and interests. To the extent that torturing people counts as a "real interest." Real people do really immoral things.
Your point is what, exactly?
Well, back in your day you still had an unbiased media willing to report on protests without giving 'equal time' to the five person counter-protest in the name of 'balance.' So you don't hear about it as much. Also, people see that and feel that traditional methods of protest are not reaching any kind of mainstream audience anymore, so they don't participate as much. Don't forget, the vast majority of young people in the 60s never went to a single protest. As important as the counterculture was, it was still a very small minority. Even in the day, if you weren't part of it you wouldn't hear much about it.
And let us not forget the motivating power of self preservation. There's no draft today.
The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing George W. Bush to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.
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You are in a debris room filled with stuff washed in from the surface. A low wide passage with cobbles becomes plugged with mud and debris here, but an awkward canyon leads upward and west. There is a PDP-10 with a card reader and terminal here. A box of punchcards sits nearby.
> get box
You now have the box of punchcards.
> input cards
You carefully feed the cards into the card reader.
> look terminal
The terminal says:
YOU ARE STANDING AT THE END OF A ROAD BEFORE A SMALL BRICK
BUILDING. AROUND YOU IS A FOREST. A SMALL
STREAM FLOWS OUT OF THE BUILDING AND DOWN A GULLY.
My first exposure was when I was six. My friend's dad was a comp-sci professor at UNLV. He had a teleprinter at home, and could dial in to the mainframe at school. He would dial in and set me up in the games directory where I would waste reams of paper playing Colossal Cave Adventure, Hunt the Wumpus, and Lunar Lander. That experience definitely helped shape my love of computers and technology.
My own personal experience includes volunteering with Food not Bombs and Homes not Jails in San Francisco when Mayor Frank Jordan was trying to pull a Giuliani and get rid of the homeless, and getting beaten down by riot police; volunteering with Earth First on the Headwaters campaign and getting chased through the forest by loggers with chainsaws right after Judy Bari got blown up; volunteering with the IWW on the Borders Books and several other organizing drives; working with Greenpeace; and protesting the first Iraq war in DC. Amongst other things.
But I'm just giving the boomers a hard time because I feel sometimes like they are a bit self centered and don't want to acknowledge the contributions of other generations. They did some great things. My mom and dad were college hippies and went to a lot of protests too.
Interesting. Not sure I buy it, but it's also not something I can dismiss out of hand.