Well, another responder answered your question quite handily already, but I will add this: Unmanaged means I have no effective way of dealing with your overgrazing or wikipedia abuse. Communally managed means we can, as a community, keep you from abusing the resource. If common grazing land were like wikipedia, the answer would be nuking all your sheep from orbit and posting a lock and a sign on the commons stating "you must be at least THIS------> Respectable before you can graze your sheep on these commons."
Why don't you read the original essay? The tragedy of the commons happened when a common ground was abused because no effective method of management was in place to ensure the integrity of the common land. That method of management could be a single stakeholder, or a communal system of management. The original essay was very clear in regards to the fact that there is more than one way to effectively manage a resource.
Now, we could argue all day as to whether the system of management wikipedia has in place is effective or not, but we cannot argue that it has such a system. Imagine, would there be a tragedy of the commons if everyone felt free to simply kill all the cos of the offenders? If there weas, it would certainly be a different tragedy. That is akin to the management system of wikipedia. No overgrazing because any one person can nuke every single cow on the planet, and any other person can resurect every dead cow on the planet.
An experts only publication would not be a bad idea. Why don't you start one up and tell me when you get say 1/1,000 the number of articles wikipedia has, or 1/10,000 the readers. But don't do it to wikipedia, start your own. Wikipedia already has a system that works well enough. Sorry if you don't like it, but in this free market of ideas, enough people find it useful, as is, to make it one of the most popular sites on the Internet.
Read the wiki article you link to. The tragedy of the commons only applies to unmanaged resources. Wikipedia is a communally managed resource, so the analogy is less than apt. Your speculation regarding the impact of a no-follow wiki on the rest of the Internet is interesting, though.
I bring up the point about the Tragedy of the Commons because the parable has been used as an excuse to privatize communally managed resources, when such resources do not fall prey to the Tragedy. Reasoning such as yours could be used to justify the 'privatization' of wikipedia, turning it into an experts-only publication where the public has no input. This would be as bad a misapplication of the lessons of the Tragedy parable as it is when governments and industry collude to privatize such things as water cooperatives, which are public but managed resources and not vulnerable to the Tragedy at all.
No, because quarks have no mechanism that we know of for expressing behavior that generates more quarks. Genes, like brains, are complex systems of multiple interacting feedback loops, capable of taking information from the environment, procesing it, and expressing behavior based on internal and external conditions. They are also capable of self-reproduction. One can't say the same thing about quarks.
I think the point that the GP post was trying to make was quite similar to the point Dawkins was making. Genes don't give a metaphorical rat's ass about the individuals that are expressions of those genes. Genetics always operates on a broader scale than that of the individual. Altruistic behaviors that are counterproductive for the individual may still be selected for genetically if they are adaptive for the species.
Is that right? That sure seems to be what you are saying. In fact, you seem to be saying that it is our duty to fuck over stupid people, am I reading you right? You are a shining fucking beacon of libertarian morality, one more reason I consider libertarians to be about as reputable as Scientologists. Yeah, the mises.org link gives it away. I hope you and your entire family get fucked over so we can all laugh at you and say, "Haha, darwinism at work. You deserved it." You aren't perfect, everyone makes mistakes, and when you do, I hope you realize you have forfeit all claims to sympathy.
There is one snowflake out there that is just the right shape to cure cancer. If we find it, we can use it to cure one person's cancer. Too bad no two snowflakes are the same, or we might be able to cure more. But then, you didn't really ask for that, did you? You just asked for us to "Cure CANCER DAMNIT!!!!!" You should have asked to "Cure every instance of every type of cancer." Jeez, be more careful what you wish for. Guess who's NOT getting a turn to rub the lamp. You're one of those people who'd wish for a million bucks and end up dead, buried in male reindeer.
From reading the wikipedia articles on snow, it seems that relativly high temperature, as well as cold temperature snow forms the familiar plate and dendrite shapes. Snow that forms between -5C and -10C takes the shape of needles or hollow columns. What you are seeing there is a snowflake that formed as a hollow column, then entered either a warmer a colder zone where the traditional dendritic plate shapes formed at the end of the hollow column.
Here's an even more interesting picture. The same process happened, then rime frost (frozen fog) formed on the plates. Weird looking!
Now you know how us liberals feel. You guys STILL haven't stopped with the damn Clinton jokes. Tell you what, you guys stop making dumb Clinton jokes, we'll stop making stupdid Bush jokes. Deal?
Check your data and methodology. I've found that when the distance seperating the two slits is less than one cat-length, a single cat fired at the slits can interfere with itself, as evidenced by the distinctive banding in the blood spatters. Of course, if the slits are further than one cat-length apart, no interference patterns appear. Then all you get is a cat-ass-trophy.
Maybe it's that I do so much alchemy in Oblivion that I notice all the differences. Different trees and different plants, mostly. There is the Black Forest, with pine trees and swamps. There's the Nibaney Valley, with rolling hills, meadows, bushes and few tall trees. There's the northern and easter forested hills, with fewer herbs and bushes but more mixed deciduous and evergreen trees. There's the gold coast with grassy hills and few trees. Then there's the far northern mountains with mostly evergreens. So, I'd say there is a great deal of variety. What there isn't is any of the gee-whiz, that's sure strange looking type landscapes that Morrowind had.
The architecture is mostly the same, but there are subtle differences. I think that's appropriate in the more homogenous setting of Oblivion. Morrowind had Imperial, Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvani, Dwemer, common, Ashlander, Sixth House, and Velothi architecture. Oblivion only has Imperial, Nord, Akaviri, common, and Oblivion architecture.
The lack of underwater stuff is disappointing. Kinda makes water-breathing a moot point. In Morrowind, there was some great underwater content. In Oblivion, the lakes and rivers are all barren underwater, but there are a few interesting underwater dungeons.
Morrowind had auto-leveling, too. But as with Morrowind, the auto-leveling caps at level 20, so there is a point to leveling. Plu
What if there's a nuclear war, and all you have to eat is prepackaged crap because of the nuclear winter? Your body is going to be like, Oooh, no! I can't eat this, yeck! BLAAARF! And you will die because you have not properly trained your body to consume crap. Consider your once a month McDonald's kind of like a dietary innoculation.
Laugh if you like, but I had a friend in San Francisco, crazy (mostly) vegan bike messenger, who actually ate McDonald's once a month for this reason. Looked about to puke the whole time, but he always dutifully finished his Big Mac.
With the growth of Islam in the west, we might be well advised to start considering our own language laws.
Yes, because what the Muslims have done to us is entirely comparable to the Holocaust, so we must react the same way the Germans have to freedom of speach issues. The audacity of your statement astounds me on multiple levels. First, the authoritarianism, bordering on fascism, inherent in the idea that we need to restrict free speach to protect ourselves from Muslims. Unbelievable to hear coming from a confessed conservative. Second, the idea that anything the Muslims have done to the west can be compared in any way to what Hitler did to the Jews is so startlingly offensive that I almost have to believe you are attempting a very bad joke. But I've read some of your other posts, and no, you just really are that offensive and authoritarian. I get the feeling that in your heart of hearts, you think you'd make a really excellent dictator-for-life.
Well, damn! Your anecdotal evidence beats my anecdotal evidence. Not. You can be as condescending and vehement as you want, and so can I, but unless one of us can point to a study showing media bias, this is all just pointless opinion waving.
And thanks for setting me straight. Now that I know I was wrong, and you people are not overlords and tyrants, but poor, struggling underdogs valiantly defending the moral high ground all by your loneseomes, I will certainly cut you more slack. Poor conservatives, all alone in a world of cruel and powerful liberals. How do you make it through the day?
Meh. To each his own. I like the combat system. The leveling system has problems, but it doesn't require you to min-max anything. I think what your really trying to say is, the levelling system makes creating uber-characters too much like work. You can get through the story just fine without ever getting a +5 on any stat.
These issues existed in Morrowind, too. Mods to fix these perceived slights have been released for Oblivion just as quickly. Can't name them off the bat, as I just got the game for Christmas and am playing it through without mods first.
In Morrowind, there was no compass leading you to unknown dungeons with handy icons. There was no overland map with fast travel options. When you found a new location in Morrowind, you felt a sense of accomplishement.
To me, this went well with the mysterious and foreign feel of Morrowind. Cyrodil is supposed to be the heart of the empire, settled for thousands of years. The feeling of familiarity is actually enhanced by the new interface, just as the feeling of foreign mystery was enhanced by the lack of map and compass in Morrowind.
That said, I've still enjoyed exploring in Oblivion. It's just a bit different. First, you do need to get close to a location before your compass tells you about it, unless you learn of it through a quest or the like. Second, there are still interesting and important places that aren't ever indicated on the map. The doomstones, or the back doors of most dungeons, for instance.
Finally, in Morrowind, you basically had the swampy bit, the ashy mountainous bit, and the rest all looked the same. In Oblivion, the different areas look very different. But the map and compass do give a very different experience, and exploration is no longer as important or fulfilling as it was in Morrowind.
I got jumped in Seattle and had my left eye sliced in half. It was hard, but I've forgiven the people that did it. I'm not trying to come across all holier-than-thou, I'm just saying, holding on to your anger is only punishing yourself. If the person who did that to you knew how you felt, do you think they'd feel bad or would they just laugh?
Until you forgive, you are letting the people who wronged you continue to have power over your life. Forgivness: It's not for them, it's for you.
Half the fricken' comments in this story wouldn't have been posted if people had happened to notice this point: You have to be over 18, not 30. They will only card you if you look under 30. Very inaccurate summary and headline.
The coverage of the Iraq war is easy to explain to anyone who has the slightest clue how the news business works. The phrase in news is, "If it bleeds, it leads." It's not about right or left wing. It has nothing to do with making the war or the administration look bad. It has EVERYTHING to do with selling papers, or TV ratings.
Show me any mainstream US media NOT controlled by a large corporation. They tend to support neo-cons because they can get more out of them, but there is no real loyalty to a political ideology there, just mercenary expediency.
It always amazes me how far conservatives will go to make themselves seem like the underdogs or martyrs. You are not in any way the underdogs or martyrs, you are the overlords and tyrants. That kind of lack of self awareness scares me.
Lack of self awareness leads to projection, where you accuse your opponents of doing the very things you yourself do. Witness all the whinging about liberals being mean spirited and unable to debate without name calling. I've rarely seen liberals do this, and other liberals usually call them out on it. I see conservatives like Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh do it all the time, and conservatives just smirk.
So it goes with the whole "liberal media" myth. Unbiased studies show the number of column inches and TV-minutes spent parroting back conservative talking points far outweighs the amount of time spent covering liberal points.
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Well, another responder answered your question quite handily already, but I will add this: Unmanaged means I have no effective way of dealing with your overgrazing or wikipedia abuse. Communally managed means we can, as a community, keep you from abusing the resource. If common grazing land were like wikipedia, the answer would be nuking all your sheep from orbit and posting a lock and a sign on the commons stating "you must be at least THIS------> Respectable before you can graze your sheep on these commons."
See the difference?
Why don't you read the original essay? The tragedy of the commons happened when a common ground was abused because no effective method of management was in place to ensure the integrity of the common land. That method of management could be a single stakeholder, or a communal system of management. The original essay was very clear in regards to the fact that there is more than one way to effectively manage a resource.
Now, we could argue all day as to whether the system of management wikipedia has in place is effective or not, but we cannot argue that it has such a system. Imagine, would there be a tragedy of the commons if everyone felt free to simply kill all the cos of the offenders? If there weas, it would certainly be a different tragedy. That is akin to the management system of wikipedia. No overgrazing because any one person can nuke every single cow on the planet, and any other person can resurect every dead cow on the planet.
An experts only publication would not be a bad idea. Why don't you start one up and tell me when you get say 1/1,000 the number of articles wikipedia has, or 1/10,000 the readers. But don't do it to wikipedia, start your own. Wikipedia already has a system that works well enough. Sorry if you don't like it, but in this free market of ideas, enough people find it useful, as is, to make it one of the most popular sites on the Internet.
Read the wiki article you link to. The tragedy of the commons only applies to unmanaged resources. Wikipedia is a communally managed resource, so the analogy is less than apt. Your speculation regarding the impact of a no-follow wiki on the rest of the Internet is interesting, though.
I bring up the point about the Tragedy of the Commons because the parable has been used as an excuse to privatize communally managed resources, when such resources do not fall prey to the Tragedy. Reasoning such as yours could be used to justify the 'privatization' of wikipedia, turning it into an experts-only publication where the public has no input. This would be as bad a misapplication of the lessons of the Tragedy parable as it is when governments and industry collude to privatize such things as water cooperatives, which are public but managed resources and not vulnerable to the Tragedy at all.
No, because quarks have no mechanism that we know of for expressing behavior that generates more quarks. Genes, like brains, are complex systems of multiple interacting feedback loops, capable of taking information from the environment, procesing it, and expressing behavior based on internal and external conditions. They are also capable of self-reproduction. One can't say the same thing about quarks.
I think the point that the GP post was trying to make was quite similar to the point Dawkins was making. Genes don't give a metaphorical rat's ass about the individuals that are expressions of those genes. Genetics always operates on a broader scale than that of the individual. Altruistic behaviors that are counterproductive for the individual may still be selected for genetically if they are adaptive for the species.
What with all the exploding robots exploring them, of course they're going to be a bit hazardous.
You cannot be trusted with such power yet, young grasshopper.
Selfish in the same sense as Dawkin's book, The Selfish Gene .
Is that right? That sure seems to be what you are saying. In fact, you seem to be saying that it is our duty to fuck over stupid people, am I reading you right? You are a shining fucking beacon of libertarian morality, one more reason I consider libertarians to be about as reputable as Scientologists. Yeah, the mises.org link gives it away. I hope you and your entire family get fucked over so we can all laugh at you and say, "Haha, darwinism at work. You deserved it." You aren't perfect, everyone makes mistakes, and when you do, I hope you realize you have forfeit all claims to sympathy.
There is one snowflake out there that is just the right shape to cure cancer. If we find it, we can use it to cure one person's cancer. Too bad no two snowflakes are the same, or we might be able to cure more. But then, you didn't really ask for that, did you? You just asked for us to "Cure CANCER DAMNIT!!!!!" You should have asked to "Cure every instance of every type of cancer." Jeez, be more careful what you wish for. Guess who's NOT getting a turn to rub the lamp. You're one of those people who'd wish for a million bucks and end up dead, buried in male reindeer.
From reading the wikipedia articles on snow, it seems that relativly high temperature, as well as cold temperature snow forms the familiar plate and dendrite shapes. Snow that forms between -5C and -10C takes the shape of needles or hollow columns. What you are seeing there is a snowflake that formed as a hollow column, then entered either a warmer a colder zone where the traditional dendritic plate shapes formed at the end of the hollow column.
Here's an even more interesting picture. The same process happened, then rime frost (frozen fog) formed on the plates. Weird looking!
Now you know how us liberals feel. You guys STILL haven't stopped with the damn Clinton jokes. Tell you what, you guys stop making dumb Clinton jokes, we'll stop making stupdid Bush jokes. Deal?
Check your data and methodology. I've found that when the distance seperating the two slits is less than one cat-length, a single cat fired at the slits can interfere with itself, as evidenced by the distinctive banding in the blood spatters. Of course, if the slits are further than one cat-length apart, no interference patterns appear. Then all you get is a cat-ass-trophy.
Maybe it's that I do so much alchemy in Oblivion that I notice all the differences. Different trees and different plants, mostly. There is the Black Forest, with pine trees and swamps. There's the Nibaney Valley, with rolling hills, meadows, bushes and few tall trees. There's the northern and easter forested hills, with fewer herbs and bushes but more mixed deciduous and evergreen trees. There's the gold coast with grassy hills and few trees. Then there's the far northern mountains with mostly evergreens. So, I'd say there is a great deal of variety. What there isn't is any of the gee-whiz, that's sure strange looking type landscapes that Morrowind had.
The architecture is mostly the same, but there are subtle differences. I think that's appropriate in the more homogenous setting of Oblivion. Morrowind had Imperial, Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvani, Dwemer, common, Ashlander, Sixth House, and Velothi architecture. Oblivion only has Imperial, Nord, Akaviri, common, and Oblivion architecture.
The lack of underwater stuff is disappointing. Kinda makes water-breathing a moot point. In Morrowind, there was some great underwater content. In Oblivion, the lakes and rivers are all barren underwater, but there are a few interesting underwater dungeons.
Morrowind had auto-leveling, too. But as with Morrowind, the auto-leveling caps at level 20, so there is a point to leveling. Plu
What if there's a nuclear war, and all you have to eat is prepackaged crap because of the nuclear winter? Your body is going to be like, Oooh, no! I can't eat this, yeck! BLAAARF! And you will die because you have not properly trained your body to consume crap. Consider your once a month McDonald's kind of like a dietary innoculation.
Laugh if you like, but I had a friend in San Francisco, crazy (mostly) vegan bike messenger, who actually ate McDonald's once a month for this reason. Looked about to puke the whole time, but he always dutifully finished his Big Mac.
worst pun ever Boy, that sounded like a challenge.
Light, for all its flare, can't hold a candle to electricity's current ability to generate a buzz around computing!
Worst pun ever? Pfha! We have not yet begun to pun!
Please don't post links to conservative think tanks set up by disgusting neo-nazis like the Coors family. Thanks.
Forking is reuse. Your reusing the code you forked, right?
With the growth of Islam in the west, we might be well advised to start considering our own language laws.
Yes, because what the Muslims have done to us is entirely comparable to the Holocaust, so we must react the same way the Germans have to freedom of speach issues. The audacity of your statement astounds me on multiple levels. First, the authoritarianism, bordering on fascism, inherent in the idea that we need to restrict free speach to protect ourselves from Muslims. Unbelievable to hear coming from a confessed conservative. Second, the idea that anything the Muslims have done to the west can be compared in any way to what Hitler did to the Jews is so startlingly offensive that I almost have to believe you are attempting a very bad joke. But I've read some of your other posts, and no, you just really are that offensive and authoritarian. I get the feeling that in your heart of hearts, you think you'd make a really excellent dictator-for-life.
Well, damn! Your anecdotal evidence beats my anecdotal evidence. Not. You can be as condescending and vehement as you want, and so can I, but unless one of us can point to a study showing media bias, this is all just pointless opinion waving.
And thanks for setting me straight. Now that I know I was wrong, and you people are not overlords and tyrants, but poor, struggling underdogs valiantly defending the moral high ground all by your loneseomes, I will certainly cut you more slack. Poor conservatives, all alone in a world of cruel and powerful liberals. How do you make it through the day?
Meh. To each his own. I like the combat system. The leveling system has problems, but it doesn't require you to min-max anything. I think what your really trying to say is, the levelling system makes creating uber-characters too much like work. You can get through the story just fine without ever getting a +5 on any stat.
These issues existed in Morrowind, too. Mods to fix these perceived slights have been released for Oblivion just as quickly. Can't name them off the bat, as I just got the game for Christmas and am playing it through without mods first.
In Morrowind, there was no compass leading you to unknown dungeons with handy icons. There was no overland map with fast travel options. When you found a new location in Morrowind, you felt a sense of accomplishement.
To me, this went well with the mysterious and foreign feel of Morrowind. Cyrodil is supposed to be the heart of the empire, settled for thousands of years. The feeling of familiarity is actually enhanced by the new interface, just as the feeling of foreign mystery was enhanced by the lack of map and compass in Morrowind.
That said, I've still enjoyed exploring in Oblivion. It's just a bit different. First, you do need to get close to a location before your compass tells you about it, unless you learn of it through a quest or the like. Second, there are still interesting and important places that aren't ever indicated on the map. The doomstones, or the back doors of most dungeons, for instance.
Finally, in Morrowind, you basically had the swampy bit, the ashy mountainous bit, and the rest all looked the same. In Oblivion, the different areas look very different. But the map and compass do give a very different experience, and exploration is no longer as important or fulfilling as it was in Morrowind.
I got jumped in Seattle and had my left eye sliced in half. It was hard, but I've forgiven the people that did it. I'm not trying to come across all holier-than-thou, I'm just saying, holding on to your anger is only punishing yourself. If the person who did that to you knew how you felt, do you think they'd feel bad or would they just laugh?
Until you forgive, you are letting the people who wronged you continue to have power over your life. Forgivness: It's not for them, it's for you.
Half the fricken' comments in this story wouldn't have been posted if people had happened to notice this point: You have to be over 18, not 30. They will only card you if you look under 30. Very inaccurate summary and headline.
The coverage of the Iraq war is easy to explain to anyone who has the slightest clue how the news business works. The phrase in news is, "If it bleeds, it leads." It's not about right or left wing. It has nothing to do with making the war or the administration look bad. It has EVERYTHING to do with selling papers, or TV ratings.
Show me any mainstream US media NOT controlled by a large corporation. They tend to support neo-cons because they can get more out of them, but there is no real loyalty to a political ideology there, just mercenary expediency.
It always amazes me how far conservatives will go to make themselves seem like the underdogs or martyrs. You are not in any way the underdogs or martyrs, you are the overlords and tyrants. That kind of lack of self awareness scares me.
Lack of self awareness leads to projection, where you accuse your opponents of doing the very things you yourself do. Witness all the whinging about liberals being mean spirited and unable to debate without name calling. I've rarely seen liberals do this, and other liberals usually call them out on it. I see conservatives like Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh do it all the time, and conservatives just smirk.
So it goes with the whole "liberal media" myth. Unbiased studies show the number of column inches and TV-minutes spent parroting back conservative talking points far outweighs the amount of time spent covering liberal points.
Yeah, you know, after I posted this, I thought that must be what he meant. But his math is still way, way off.