In the end, engineered food may be safer than any other. After all, nature has spent billions of years trying to make things that other things can't or won't eat. Man, sorry about the diabetes. I'm sure you know about the rise in diabetes coinciding with the rise in the use of corn syrup. Remember when soda was made with suger? I do, barely.
Anything can kill you. Some things that can kill you, we've been dealing with for thousands of years. Some we don't even know about. Engineered food falls into that later category. And food companies have as much incentive to cheap out on testing and hush up any deaths or problems as they do to actually produce healthy food.
So on the one hand, we have these natural food nuts who say that any GM, irradiated, or engineered food is automatically bad. Then we have the companies saying they are automatically good. I mean, when organic dairies tried to put "No GBH" on their milk labels, Monsanto sued them for defamation, saynig that even mentioning that they don't have Bovine Growth Hormone is implying that having it is bad. So we know that the companies involved in making this stuff will play dirty. Therefore, I urge caution.
Anyways, sorry if I came of a little trollish. Must. Not. Post. Before. Coffee...
I was mugged in Seattle and lost my left eye. I have forgiven the mugger. I can't say for sure that if someone I loved was killed I would find it as easy to forgive, but I would find a way. Not for their sake, but for mine.
Could you forgive a hurricane or an earthquake if it killed a loved one? Would you even need to? Why are the actions of a human treated differently, because the human had a choice? How do you know they had a choice, and how do you know the hurricane didn't? Seeing as how one of the defining traits of consciousness is that it is private, you have about as much real knowledge of the choices of another as you do about the "choices" of a hurricane or earthquake.
Moral Judgement is part of a mental parasite that infects almost all humans. "Judge not lest ye be judged" means everytime you judge someone else, you make the Judge part of the parasite inside you stronger, and there is no place you can hide from it. It is not our place to judge the rightness of things, but it is our place to discern the difference between things. Judgement is not "wrong" (that is judgement!) It is just inefficient and counterproductive to the functioning of the individual and society.
Weird. I said, "Without proper testing, we won't know until it's too late. So let's not just give a free pass to a technology that may kill millions. Let's try to see that it is used responsibly."
Then you bring up an irelevant point about unlikely soybean mutations, and imply that I advocate acting on fear while you support acting on evidence. Most people would have taken what I said to mean that I am all for acting on evidence, but evidently I have fallen into bizzaro world, where calling for testing equals acting on fear rather than evidence.
Why are you against testing GM or engineered foods? Do you work for or own stock in a company that produces them? Or are you just so certain that they can not cause any possible time that you think testing is a waste of time? Either way, you don't get to pull the "acting on evidence" card.
Food has been modified by breeding, not by engineering. There may be a difference. Maybe even a large, toxic difference. Without proper testing, we won't know until it's too late. So let's not just give a free pass to a technology that may kill millions. Let's try to see that it is used responsibly.
Yeah, they use a different technique, but it's kinda the same thing. I just thought it was interesting that people thousands of years ago had techniques for getting water out of air. And I knew everyone else was going to be yelling "Arakis!" and "Tatooine!" so I thought I would put out an example from the real world.
Here we are, as promised. About a third of the way down the page. Ignore the Reichian weirdness, the wells were built near the ancient Byzantine city of Feodosiya. There were 13 large conical tumuli of stones, each about 10,000 feet square and 30-40 feet tall, on hilltops. Russian engineer Friedrich Zibold calculated they would each produce more than 500 gallons daily. These theories have been disputed by some archeologists (who don't seem to like it when engineers discover cool archeological stuff and make up theories about it) but the mounds do all have numerous terra-cotta pipes around the base, presumeably to collect the run off
I recall reading an article about ancient rock mounds, where the rocks were loosely lumped with plenty of space in between. Air filtered through and encountered the cool rock faces of the interior of the mound. Water condensed on the interior rock faces and trickled out the bottom. I'll see if I can find a link.
It's not a gift from the X Prize foundation. They had to cut a deal with the State of New Mexico in order to do it here, and evidently free tickets for state employees are part of the deal. We have to go down to the State Employement Development Department to pick them up. Plus, I just noticed in the email announcing the free tickets there is a plea for volunteers at the bottom.
Anyway, there is a difference between being an employee of the state and an elected official of the state. AFAIK, the rules on gifts are much looser for us lowly hourly employees.
I worked one college summer doing landscaping. Proper technique for pruning a branch that is larger than shears can handle is under, over, collar. First cut a notch a few inches out from the trunk underneath the branch. Then cut down from the top to meet the notch. Then cut the stub off at the collar, not flush with the trunk. The collar is the circular ring around the base of the branch and it contains natural defenses against insects, disease, and fungus. So cut diagonally at the base, keeping the collar.
Parent post is right, these shears are worse than worthless, they will hurt your trees.
No see, the US said "I'm just gonna take it from you and you're gonna like it," and the EU said, "You can't take it from me if I give it to you, you big stud!" and then wet slapping sounds were heard.
It may be hard to comprehend for someone whose world revolves around a computer in a basement, but most humans are _social_ beings
Sorry, whenever anyone mentions that humans are social beings here on slashdot, I have to pull out that Breakfast Club line. And I call it a "den," not a basement...
If the old Omni magazine made your brow furl, if Discover makes you feel like a retard, if Scientific American is just plain incomprehensible to you, or if you are stuck in a WalMart waiting for your wife to buy make-up and there's nothing else to read, there's always Popular Mechanics. New articles about military hardware and cars in every edition! Why not buy some plans for a hovercraft from the back page? Plus: build things from wood! All in Popular Mechanics, the magazine for those too dumb for Discover.
No problem, honest slip. But you should understand that was why your original post was modded troll. I've been modded troll myself on more than one occasion, so don't take it as some kind of systematic slashdot liberal bias. Slashdot is actually very centrist, it's just that the right wing has gotten so used to getting their unquestioned way, and being able to claim the moral high ground unchallenged that when centrist people call them on things, they think it's liberal or left wing. It isn't, it's centrist, middle of the road America, who I think are just becoming very tired of the right wing, neo-con, fundie Christian branch of the Republican party.
Stewart does make fun of Jews at least as often as he does Christians. What he mostly pokes fun at are fundamentalist zealots, and there are far more Christian than Jewish fundies in this country. He is a liberal, sure, but I remember when he started anchoring the show in 1999, he made fun of Clinton & the Democrats more often than the Republicans. Like comedians everywhere, he and the show target those in power. I'm sure that soon, when the Republicans get booted out of office by an angry electorate he will go back to teasing the Democrats.
Yes, it does regularly blast Democrats and other liberals. Can it be helped that Republicans are currently in power and therefore have more to answer for?
Now, please state why you even bothered to mention he was a liberal, let alone that he was Jewish, and perhaps I will agree you shouldn't have been modded troll. As it is, I think you spoke from the heart without realizing that your anti-semitism and contempt for liberals was so blatant, and so despicable to most people. But if you can clearly explain why you needed to mention that he was Jewish, I will retract that statement.
That one. "Why didn't you do more about Osama" is easy. It's so blatant, you do exactly what Clinton did, or any Republican would have done: you go on the attack. They attack you, you attack back, show them you have some balls. The Democrats need to grow a pair, and Bill's shown them how.
But the Hillary question? That is funny on so many levels. You can see the moment of panic on Bill's face, he was obviously ready for a tough question but that just came out of left field. Tacked on the end of a question he surely WAS expecting was this absolute curveball.
So making fun of Republican over and over again is unfair. Would you say the same thing about the undending stream of Clinton jokes?
Colbert is funnier, but he makes the same anti Republican jokes over and over again, too. He just cloaks them in irony so that stupid people don't understand he is bashing the conservatives even harder than Stewert.
Boo hoo. If Bush weren't such a comical chimp, and he weren't fucking the country so badly, maybe TDS would have more time to make fun of the democrats. Which they still do, but good God! You either have to laugh at our smirking chimp of a president or cry in desperation over the sick sad road he's taken this great country down. So TDS is doing us sane folks a service, helping us laugh rather than slit our wrists.
Come on, do you really still support Bush? Even Republicans are leaving that sinking ship. Say you support the Republicans, say you are a conservative, I have no problem, but Bush? Please, the man is a walking joke. Everything he's ever touched in his entire miserable life has turned to shit. Any random American picked off the streets could have done a better job.
I am absolutely serious and I take offense to your tone. Your little act is meant to imply that my position is ludicrous, beyond belief and could only be held by someone with little or no reasoning or critical thinking skills. Well, surprise, surprise, I feel the same way about your position. How could you NOT think that about Fox News? Please, try to provide any piece of evidence from the real world that Fox would not do that. Fox has sued in Federal court that their right to free speech includes the right to lie on air. Why would they want that right?
I feel that anyone who takes Fox News seriously is a serious nutter and not to be taken seriously themselves. Try reading more about Fox News' past lies.
You obviously have partisan feelings that are keeping the blinders on you, and these feelings have kept you from being able to think critically about the subject. You think I'm a nut, I think you're a nut, so there really isn't much point in continuing this conversation. Good day, sir.
Only someone blinded by their own ideology would believe that Fox News would not do this purposefully. Fox News sued for the right to lie on air, and this demonstrates why they would want that right. Stop supporting people just because they are on "your team" and start looking at the world critically.
Sadly, this is not true. Fox News does have that much contempt for their audience, just like every propaganda machines in service of tyranny everywhere. You are the one who is utterly delusional. Your level of naivete and gullibility would be astonishing if it weren't so common.
Yeah, it is JUST like the "Don't like your job? Just quit!" arguments. I have about as much sympathy for the plight of the poor beleaguered homeowner dealing with the mean old HOA as the average owning class asshole has for the plight of the common working man, and I am throwing their arguments back in their face. Because most of the clowns whining about HOAs are the same fools who use those "Don't like your job? Just quit!" arguments. If you aren't one of those fools, this thread is not meant for you, and I'm sorry if I offended you.
Who are you to tell us what traditional American values are? People came to America to GET AWAY from people like you, telling them what was right and proper to think. Your sort are an affront to the values of our Founding Fathers. It is obvious that you have nothing but contempt for the REAL values that make our country great.
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In the end, engineered food may be safer than any other. After all, nature has spent billions of years trying to make things that other things can't or won't eat. Man, sorry about the diabetes. I'm sure you know about the rise in diabetes coinciding with the rise in the use of corn syrup. Remember when soda was made with suger? I do, barely.
Anything can kill you. Some things that can kill you, we've been dealing with for thousands of years. Some we don't even know about. Engineered food falls into that later category. And food companies have as much incentive to cheap out on testing and hush up any deaths or problems as they do to actually produce healthy food.
So on the one hand, we have these natural food nuts who say that any GM, irradiated, or engineered food is automatically bad. Then we have the companies saying they are automatically good. I mean, when organic dairies tried to put "No GBH" on their milk labels, Monsanto sued them for defamation, saynig that even mentioning that they don't have Bovine Growth Hormone is implying that having it is bad. So we know that the companies involved in making this stuff will play dirty. Therefore, I urge caution.
Anyways, sorry if I came of a little trollish. Must. Not. Post. Before. Coffee...
I was mugged in Seattle and lost my left eye. I have forgiven the mugger. I can't say for sure that if someone I loved was killed I would find it as easy to forgive, but I would find a way. Not for their sake, but for mine.
Could you forgive a hurricane or an earthquake if it killed a loved one? Would you even need to? Why are the actions of a human treated differently, because the human had a choice? How do you know they had a choice, and how do you know the hurricane didn't? Seeing as how one of the defining traits of consciousness is that it is private, you have about as much real knowledge of the choices of another as you do about the "choices" of a hurricane or earthquake.
Moral Judgement is part of a mental parasite that infects almost all humans. "Judge not lest ye be judged" means everytime you judge someone else, you make the Judge part of the parasite inside you stronger, and there is no place you can hide from it. It is not our place to judge the rightness of things, but it is our place to discern the difference between things. Judgement is not "wrong" (that is judgement!) It is just inefficient and counterproductive to the functioning of the individual and society.
Weird. I said, "Without proper testing, we won't know until it's too late. So let's not just give a free pass to a technology that may kill millions. Let's try to see that it is used responsibly."
Then you bring up an irelevant point about unlikely soybean mutations, and imply that I advocate acting on fear while you support acting on evidence. Most people would have taken what I said to mean that I am all for acting on evidence, but evidently I have fallen into bizzaro world, where calling for testing equals acting on fear rather than evidence.
Why are you against testing GM or engineered foods? Do you work for or own stock in a company that produces them? Or are you just so certain that they can not cause any possible time that you think testing is a waste of time? Either way, you don't get to pull the "acting on evidence" card.
Food has been modified by breeding, not by engineering. There may be a difference. Maybe even a large, toxic difference. Without proper testing, we won't know until it's too late. So let's not just give a free pass to a technology that may kill millions. Let's try to see that it is used responsibly.
Yeah, they use a different technique, but it's kinda the same thing. I just thought it was interesting that people thousands of years ago had techniques for getting water out of air. And I knew everyone else was going to be yelling "Arakis!" and "Tatooine!" so I thought I would put out an example from the real world.
Here we are, as promised. About a third of the way down the page. Ignore the Reichian weirdness, the wells were built near the ancient Byzantine city of Feodosiya. There were 13 large conical tumuli of stones, each about 10,000 feet square and 30-40 feet tall, on hilltops. Russian engineer Friedrich Zibold calculated they would each produce more than 500 gallons daily. These theories have been disputed by some archeologists (who don't seem to like it when engineers discover cool archeological stuff and make up theories about it) but the mounds do all have numerous terra-cotta pipes around the base, presumeably to collect the run off
I recall reading an article about ancient rock mounds, where the rocks were loosely lumped with plenty of space in between. Air filtered through and encountered the cool rock faces of the interior of the mound. Water condensed on the interior rock faces and trickled out the bottom. I'll see if I can find a link.
It's not a gift from the X Prize foundation. They had to cut a deal with the State of New Mexico in order to do it here, and evidently free tickets for state employees are part of the deal. We have to go down to the State Employement Development Department to pick them up. Plus, I just noticed in the email announcing the free tickets there is a plea for volunteers at the bottom.
Anyway, there is a difference between being an employee of the state and an elected official of the state. AFAIK, the rules on gifts are much looser for us lowly hourly employees.
I worked one college summer doing landscaping. Proper technique for pruning a branch that is larger than shears can handle is under, over, collar. First cut a notch a few inches out from the trunk underneath the branch. Then cut down from the top to meet the notch. Then cut the stub off at the collar, not flush with the trunk. The collar is the circular ring around the base of the branch and it contains natural defenses against insects, disease, and fungus. So cut diagonally at the base, keeping the collar.
Parent post is right, these shears are worse than worthless, they will hurt your trees.
As a New Mexico State employee, I just got free tickets to the next X-Prize Cup in Las Cruces. Barely Tested Rockets, the nerd's version of NASCAR!
No see, the US said "I'm just gonna take it from you and you're gonna like it," and the EU said, "You can't take it from me if I give it to you, you big stud!" and then wet slapping sounds were heard.
It may be hard to comprehend for someone whose world revolves around a computer in a basement, but most humans are _social_ beings
Sorry, whenever anyone mentions that humans are social beings here on slashdot, I have to pull out that Breakfast Club line. And I call it a "den," not a basement...
If the old Omni magazine made your brow furl, if Discover makes you feel like a retard, if Scientific American is just plain incomprehensible to you, or if you are stuck in a WalMart waiting for your wife to buy make-up and there's nothing else to read, there's always Popular Mechanics. New articles about military hardware and cars in every edition! Why not buy some plans for a hovercraft from the back page? Plus: build things from wood! All in Popular Mechanics, the magazine for those too dumb for Discover.
No problem, honest slip. But you should understand that was why your original post was modded troll. I've been modded troll myself on more than one occasion, so don't take it as some kind of systematic slashdot liberal bias. Slashdot is actually very centrist, it's just that the right wing has gotten so used to getting their unquestioned way, and being able to claim the moral high ground unchallenged that when centrist people call them on things, they think it's liberal or left wing. It isn't, it's centrist, middle of the road America, who I think are just becoming very tired of the right wing, neo-con, fundie Christian branch of the Republican party.
Stewart does make fun of Jews at least as often as he does Christians. What he mostly pokes fun at are fundamentalist zealots, and there are far more Christian than Jewish fundies in this country. He is a liberal, sure, but I remember when he started anchoring the show in 1999, he made fun of Clinton & the Democrats more often than the Republicans. Like comedians everywhere, he and the show target those in power. I'm sure that soon, when the Republicans get booted out of office by an angry electorate he will go back to teasing the Democrats.
Yes, it does regularly blast Democrats and other liberals. Can it be helped that Republicans are currently in power and therefore have more to answer for?
Now, please state why you even bothered to mention he was a liberal, let alone that he was Jewish, and perhaps I will agree you shouldn't have been modded troll. As it is, I think you spoke from the heart without realizing that your anti-semitism and contempt for liberals was so blatant, and so despicable to most people. But if you can clearly explain why you needed to mention that he was Jewish, I will retract that statement.
That one. "Why didn't you do more about Osama" is easy. It's so blatant, you do exactly what Clinton did, or any Republican would have done: you go on the attack. They attack you, you attack back, show them you have some balls. The Democrats need to grow a pair, and Bill's shown them how.
But the Hillary question? That is funny on so many levels. You can see the moment of panic on Bill's face, he was obviously ready for a tough question but that just came out of left field. Tacked on the end of a question he surely WAS expecting was this absolute curveball.
So making fun of Republican over and over again is unfair. Would you say the same thing about the undending stream of Clinton jokes?
Colbert is funnier, but he makes the same anti Republican jokes over and over again, too. He just cloaks them in irony so that stupid people don't understand he is bashing the conservatives even harder than Stewert.
Boo hoo. If Bush weren't such a comical chimp, and he weren't fucking the country so badly, maybe TDS would have more time to make fun of the democrats. Which they still do, but good God! You either have to laugh at our smirking chimp of a president or cry in desperation over the sick sad road he's taken this great country down. So TDS is doing us sane folks a service, helping us laugh rather than slit our wrists.
Come on, do you really still support Bush? Even Republicans are leaving that sinking ship. Say you support the Republicans, say you are a conservative, I have no problem, but Bush? Please, the man is a walking joke. Everything he's ever touched in his entire miserable life has turned to shit. Any random American picked off the streets could have done a better job.
I am absolutely serious and I take offense to your tone. Your little act is meant to imply that my position is ludicrous, beyond belief and could only be held by someone with little or no reasoning or critical thinking skills. Well, surprise, surprise, I feel the same way about your position. How could you NOT think that about Fox News? Please, try to provide any piece of evidence from the real world that Fox would not do that. Fox has sued in Federal court that their right to free speech includes the right to lie on air. Why would they want that right?
I feel that anyone who takes Fox News seriously is a serious nutter and not to be taken seriously themselves. Try reading more about Fox News' past lies.
You obviously have partisan feelings that are keeping the blinders on you, and these feelings have kept you from being able to think critically about the subject. You think I'm a nut, I think you're a nut, so there really isn't much point in continuing this conversation. Good day, sir.
Only someone blinded by their own ideology would believe that Fox News would not do this purposefully. Fox News sued for the right to lie on air, and this demonstrates why they would want that right. Stop supporting people just because they are on "your team" and start looking at the world critically.
Sadly, this is not true. Fox News does have that much contempt for their audience, just like every propaganda machines in service of tyranny everywhere. You are the one who is utterly delusional. Your level of naivete and gullibility would be astonishing if it weren't so common.
AWESOME! Let's add "And these four rules shall be the ONLY four rules." Let me know where, and I'm moving in.
Yeah, it is JUST like the "Don't like your job? Just quit!" arguments. I have about as much sympathy for the plight of the poor beleaguered homeowner dealing with the mean old HOA as the average owning class asshole has for the plight of the common working man, and I am throwing their arguments back in their face. Because most of the clowns whining about HOAs are the same fools who use those "Don't like your job? Just quit!" arguments. If you aren't one of those fools, this thread is not meant for you, and I'm sorry if I offended you.
He is a Jewish Liberal. You may find that he is a "true patriot" but others may not. Heck even his writers admit that they are liberal.
You have come dangerously close to implying that neither Jews nor liberals can be patriots. Is this what you meant to imply?
Who are you to tell us what traditional American values are? People came to America to GET AWAY from people like you, telling them what was right and proper to think. Your sort are an affront to the values of our Founding Fathers. It is obvious that you have nothing but contempt for the REAL values that make our country great.