QNX Neutrino & Photon GUI is SMP. It is finished for x86. A demo has been available for download for some time. It fits on a single 1.44mb floppy. Neutrino, Photon GUI, TCP stack and browser. Yo can get on the net with ONE floppy. Less than 1/10 of the kernel/OS is cpu dependent so is entirely portable. AND the kernel is tiny.
Phase5 announced the A/box when Amiga had no owner (after Escom went bust) and put it on hold once Gateway bought Amiga. They have QNX neutrino OS and the hardware is off-the-shelf so it should be easy/quick to produce. I have a few phase5 cards -they re all he best in their respective catagories, well designed and manufacture and reliable
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Erm, I (can) run Linux on my 68K Amiga and my dual 68k/PPC Amiga
The new OE will be hardware independent, but is designed to tightly integrate with the hardware/cpu (which will be the optimal platform). they have already said that the re considering porting the new OE BACK to classic Amiga's with G3 PPC cards. so there is no reason that it will not run on x86,Mips, Arm ect
Tee new Operating Environment IS open source (with linux kernel) with a CPU that is DESIGNED to run the Linux kernel & Java & Amiga classic software (Transmeta - Linus Torvald works for them AND has been speaking alot about Amiga recently)
Since when was Amiga DOA 10million Amiga sold by commodore does not sound like DOA to me 1985...by my reckoning that is 14 years (ha ha very long death mate)
As I understand it (could be wrong:)) Amiga is pre-emptive multitasking (in 1985) PC is AT BEST round-robin multitasking This is due to the evolutionary Amiga architecture and integrated chipset - Agnus, Paula...... one for sound, one for gfx one cpu blah blah all multitasking together
BeOS WAS the next AmigaOS until they found QNX Be has Dave Haynie ect who is one of the Amiga foundes. Carl Sasenrath who created REBOL/REBOL2 for just bout all OS Amiga/Amiga PPC/ Linux/Win? Mac.......
Well they seem to have gone PPC friendly recently. PPC support for OS3.5 (for classic Amigas) and the possibility of the new Amiga Operating Environment (as they are calling it) being ported back to G3 accelerated classic Amigas. Although Transmeta is also a strong contender
I think the tick was actually the logo for Workbench. I liked the tick though. I like the boing ball also But I prefered the original red AMIGA logo rather than the new black font that Escom introduced
It is the Amiga "boing" ball. The unofficial logo. When the Amiga was first eleased (1985) there was a demo with the boing ball rotating andbouncing around the screen. It was bsolutely astounding..... C=64's & Spectrums were the norm and PC's were still using MS Dos let alone Windoze whilst Amiga had a fully WIMP realtime multitasking OS (in 1985 for godsake)
You have got to remember that of the 8 years, there was virtually no development due to the bankruptcies of C= Commodore and then Escom. Gateway seem serious. Indeed Amiga now has some shit hot heavyweight employees from the industry... The new Motorola G4 PowerPC will undoubtedly be the CPU Big announcement due soon from M. As to gfx..... something special me thinks.
Just to let you know - CUT the UK organisers has already stated that any loss of profits will be unverifiable and therefore irrelevant to the boycott. Tee real objective is media and political coverage and awareness. In the UK it has been covered by all the computer magazines (PC Format, Amiga Format, Computer Shopper, Wired, PCW etc etc) by internet sites (SlashDot, CNet, ZDNet, BBC Online etc etc) by radio and TT and also the NewSPapers....with more to come tomorrow and monday
Sorry but that is utter rubbish. The campaign is not about universal unmetering (ie forcing higher line rental on every one). It is about having the choice of different tariffs which would be available in a competitive environment (which clearly their is not). We are campaigning for unmetered LOCAL calls, this would mean moving away from 0845 non-geographic no`s (charged at local rate). I assumed the price you pay is a bundled option with cable TV. The nearest Cable company to me is 100 miles. BT is THE ONLY choice. AS to ADSL & high speed access - WHY would BT introduce it? it has a monopoly & captive users for which it can charge what it likes. I agree that ADSL is inherently an unmetered technology but BT is dragging it`s heels. COMPETETION OR REGULATION is needed.
Yes Kingston still do unmetered calls, but only to their own ISP Karoo Extra. It costs £40 per month for unmetered calls OR £15 per month plus 6p per call (no matter the length). Kingston is owned and run by Hull county council and is about to float on the market.
With regard to ADSL BT (British Telecom) has 85% residential share of the market. ie Monopoly. As it was a state owned company until 10 years ago when it was privatised. By introducing ADSL it would shoot itself (and it`s share holders) in the foot. It has NO competition so does not need to offer ADSL. Leased lines cost atleast 10x in UK than US.
As you say, media publicity is the REAL objective. Also if politicians can become involved etc. The sooner the local loop is "unbundled" from BT`s monopoly the better. A communal local loop has been proposed.
A member of CUT - Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications
I'm surprised that so many people in Europe are still using telephone lines. Isn't the European Infrastructure superior to the United States? I would image everyone there had xDSL or ISDN or Cable.
This is because the European Telco`s were/are state owned and generally have large monopolies in their own countries = no competition = no need to introduce DSL ect since their customers have no where else to go...per minute charges=lots of profit for their shareholders
You don't need a degree in maths to see that since Internet calls are usually longer than voice calls (on an unmetered service), more internet calls means higher peak usages. On an unmetered service, though, the cost of meeting these peak demands gets passed on to the voice-only customers as well as the net users who are hogging the capacity -- pretty unfair.
I disagree peak-usage is during business hours. The Telco must have the required infrastructure to deal with thes peak-times, so usage during non-peak times incures no cost. Especially when using the local loop (not the non-geographical numbers we use in the UK which are national calls.)
As to being subsidised by voice calls - you have the option of paying a higher flat-rate fee for unmetered local calls which includes VOICE calls.
Also long distance/national& international calls in the US are cheaper than BT. So if they are subsidisng unmetered calls then BT are royally shagging us both ways.
Sorry - but US long distance and indeed international calls are significantly cheaper than British Telecom national & international calls. Also it is often the case that Telco`s in the US are either solely a local provider or a national provider. THe Telco`s that operate as a local provider owns the local loop and are all profitable by charging either low rental + metered charges or a higher flat-rate fee for unmetered local calls.
That is what the Campaign is about. CHOICE We want the choice of unmetered local calls for a flat-rate fee. ie higher line rental A metered option would still be available and have lower line rental.
This sounds like DR Who`s T.A.R.D.I.S Any Doctor Who fans here - I can`t remeber what the acronym means. But Dr Who is a British Sci-fi series (running for 30 years) - he is a Timelord and travels in his TARDIS which is vastly larger on the inside than the outside (it is actually an onld policebox)
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QNX Neutrino & Photon GUI is SMP. It is finished for x86.
A demo has been available for download for some time. It fits on a
single 1.44mb floppy. Neutrino, Photon GUI, TCP stack and browser. Yo
can get on the net with ONE floppy.
Less than 1/10 of the kernel/OS is cpu dependent so is entirely
portable. AND the kernel is tiny.
Phase5 announced the A/box when Amiga had no owner (after Escom went
bust) and put it on hold once Gateway bought Amiga.
They have QNX neutrino OS and the hardware is off-the-shelf so it
should be easy/quick to produce. I have a few phase5 cards -they re
all he best in their respective catagories, well designed and
manufacture and reliable
Erm, I (can) run Linux on my 68K Amiga and my dual 68k/PPC Amiga
The new OE will be hardware independent, but is designed to tightly
integrate with the hardware/cpu (which will be the optimal platform).
they have already said that the re considering porting the new OE BACK
to classic Amiga's with G3 PPC cards. so there is no reason that it
will not run on x86,Mips, Arm ect
Tee new Operating Environment IS open source (with linux kernel) with
a CPU that is DESIGNED to run the Linux kernel & Java & Amiga classic
software (Transmeta - Linus Torvald works for them AND has been
speaking alot about Amiga recently)
Since when was Amiga DOA
10million Amiga sold by commodore does not sound like DOA to me
1985...by my reckoning that is 14 years (ha ha very long death mate)
BeOS WAS the new AmigaOS
Most of the employees ARE Amigans
Dave Haynie designed the original Amiga
As I understand it (could be wrong :))
Amiga is pre-emptive multitasking (in 1985)
PC is AT BEST round-robin multitasking
This is due to the evolutionary Amiga architecture and integrated
chipset - Agnus, Paula...... one for sound, one for gfx one cpu blah
blah all multitasking together
BeOS WAS the next AmigaOS until they found QNX
Be has Dave Haynie ect who is one of the Amiga foundes.
Carl Sasenrath who created REBOL/REBOL2 for just bout all OS
Amiga/Amiga PPC/ Linux/Win? Mac.......
Well they seem to have gone PPC friendly recently. PPC support for
OS3.5 (for classic Amigas) and the possibility of the new Amiga
Operating Environment (as they are calling it) being ported back to G3
accelerated classic Amigas.
Although Transmeta is also a strong contender
I think the tick was actually the logo for Workbench.
I liked the tick though.
I like the boing ball also
But I prefered the original red AMIGA logo rather than the new black
font that Escom introduced
It is the Amiga "boing" ball. The unofficial logo.
When the Amiga was first eleased (1985) there was a demo with the
boing ball rotating andbouncing around the screen. It was bsolutely
astounding..... C=64's & Spectrums were the norm and PC's were still
using MS Dos let alone Windoze whilst Amiga had a fully WIMP realtime
multitasking OS (in 1985 for godsake)
You have got to remember that of the 8 years, there was virtually no
development due to the bankruptcies of C= Commodore and then Escom.
Gateway seem serious. Indeed Amiga now has some shit hot
heavyweight employees from the industry...
The new Motorola G4 PowerPC will undoubtedly be the CPU
Big announcement due soon from M. As to gfx.....
something special me thinks.
Just to let you know -
CUT the UK organisers has already stated that any loss of profits will be unverifiable and therefore irrelevant to the boycott. Tee real objective is media and political coverage and awareness.
In the UK it has been covered by all the computer magazines (PC Format, Amiga Format, Computer Shopper, Wired, PCW etc etc) by internet sites (SlashDot, CNet, ZDNet, BBC Online etc etc) by radio and TT and also the NewSPapers....with more to come tomorrow and monday
Sorry but that is utter rubbish. The campaign is not about universal unmetering (ie forcing higher line rental on every one). It is about having the choice of different tariffs which would be available in a competitive environment (which clearly their is not).
We are campaigning for unmetered LOCAL calls, this would mean moving away from 0845 non-geographic no`s (charged at local rate).
I assumed the price you pay is a bundled option with cable TV. The nearest Cable company to me is 100 miles. BT is THE ONLY choice.
AS to ADSL & high speed access - WHY would BT introduce it? it has a monopoly & captive users for which it can charge what it likes.
I agree that ADSL is inherently an unmetered technology but BT is dragging it`s heels.
COMPETETION OR REGULATION is needed.
Yes Kingston still do unmetered calls, but only to their own ISP Karoo Extra. It costs £40 per month for unmetered calls OR £15 per month plus 6p per call (no matter the length).
Kingston is owned and run by Hull county council and is about to float on the market.
With regard to ADSL
BT (British Telecom) has 85% residential share of the market. ie Monopoly. As it was a state owned company until 10 years ago when it was privatised.
By introducing ADSL it would shoot itself (and it`s share holders) in the foot. It has NO competition so does not need to offer ADSL.
Leased lines cost atleast 10x in UK than US.
In the US, Canada, Australia & NZ people have the choice of low line rental & per minute charges OR higher line rental and unmetered local calls.
As you say, media publicity is the REAL objective.
Also if politicians can become involved etc.
The sooner the local loop is "unbundled" from BT`s monopoly the better. A communal local loop has been proposed.
A member of CUT - Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications
I'm surprised that so many people in Europe are still using telephone lines. Isn't the European Infrastructure superior to the United States? I would image everyone there had xDSL or ISDN or Cable.
This is because the European Telco`s were/are state owned and generally have large monopolies in their own countries = no competition = no need to introduce DSL ect since their customers have no where else to go...per minute charges=lots of profit for their shareholders
You don't need a degree in maths to see that since Internet calls are usually longer than voice calls (on an unmetered service), more internet calls means higher peak usages. On an unmetered service, though, the cost of meeting these peak demands gets passed on to the voice-only customers as well as the net users who are hogging the capacity -- pretty unfair.
I disagree peak-usage is during business hours. The Telco must have the required infrastructure to deal with thes peak-times, so usage during non-peak times incures no cost. Especially when using the local loop (not the non-geographical numbers we use in the UK which are national calls.)
As to being subsidised by voice calls - you have the option of paying a higher flat-rate fee for unmetered local calls which includes VOICE calls.
Also long distance/national& international calls in the US are cheaper than BT. So if they are subsidisng unmetered calls then BT are royally shagging us both ways.
Sorry - but US long distance and indeed international calls are significantly cheaper than British Telecom national & international calls.
Also it is often the case that Telco`s in the US are either solely a local provider or a national provider. THe Telco`s that operate as a local provider owns the local loop and are all profitable by charging either low rental + metered charges or a higher flat-rate fee for unmetered local calls.
That is what the Campaign is about. CHOICE
We want the choice of unmetered local calls for a flat-rate fee. ie higher line rental
A metered option would still be available and have lower line rental.
aha a Dr Who fan - what does TARDIS stand for????
Time and Relativity Distortion(Dimensional....
arggggghhhh
This sounds like DR Who`s T.A.R.D.I.S
Any Doctor Who fans here - I can`t remeber what the acronym means. But Dr Who is a British Sci-fi series (running for 30 years) - he is a Timelord and travels in his TARDIS which is vastly larger on the inside than the outside (it is actually an onld policebox)