"Because there is so far no scientifically validated reason to think it's a health problem" You are wrong. Factually wrong. Crypto has been found a number of times now.
" We Portlanders greatly appreciate our open air reservoirs" As a Portlander, I say "Speak for your self."
"City Water Bureau does not." False, they just chose safety and meeting Federal standards of the open air system and it's costs.
"Despite a large public outcry" less then 1000 people is not large. Loud, obnoxious and lying? yes.
" water department despite saying that they were working to keep our reservoirs" It's Bureau and not a department, and they did work hard and spend a lot of money to get exemptions.
"did not file for a waiver from the department of homeland security to keep the reservoirs open air." Gosh, it's not up to them, is it? What a nonsense statement.
"the water department listened to public comment more and acted less like a dictator." the WB listen to the public. They have open meeting, and get input all the time. Frankly., they are too open becasue the only people who have time for input are idiots like you.
It is not. Due to loug and stupid public outcry, the WB has been trying to get an exemption for those rules for a number of years at the cost of 10's of millions of dollars. The just recently got the final word saying no exemption, it has to be covered. Finally. The funny thing is., the original pan called for green way with fountains, and a track to be guilt of the enclosed reserves, but becasue the people fought them so long there isn't money in the budget for it so now they get ugly tanks.Until it is covered, the water is tested 2 times a week, for cryptosporidium along with a myriad of other safety processes.
"hey need to either be doing UV or ozone treatment after pulling water from the reservoir, or using a membrane/diatomaceous earth/slow sand filter to successfully filter out most crypto s.." They new plants they finally get to build will be UV. They also wanted to fluoridate, and many the loons came out then. And where given a disproportionate amount of media time. So it got shot down. Welcome to Portland, where "Herp Derp" outweighs science. Not that it bothers me....
It is not run through a filter at any time. The water from Bull Run is exceptional in many regards, and considered one of the best, if not the best, water sources in the world.
They are trying to build a proper treatment facility, but fucktwads keep fighting them on it based on conspiracy theories.
No, it has nothing to do with contractor buddies. That is a fall back conspiracy position put out by clueless morons. It is strictly a PR issue. I know because I worked at the Portland WB and have talked to him several times about this issue.
The city has a group of fear mongers trying to dictate what the WB should do, regardless of science. They are right up their with anti-vaxers and chemtrail loons.
Why do you think people on planes will have an issue? Planes are 'hardened' against non hostile EM event. such as lightening. They also have several redundant systems. The amount of redundancy depends on the criticality of the system The impact of an EMP would be minimal. At least on Boeing systems. I assume* Air Bus also used RTCA/DO-160D or it's equivalent.
Since there are several ignorant memes in the public conscious put there by ignorant fear monger survivalist, panic may be a real issue. Fact is, most planes will fly, the vast majority(>95%) of automobiles will work, and critical supplies will continue to flow.
"Nuclear detonation? We'd have worse things to worry about then (like ionizing radiation killing us all)." no everyone. Air burst can be high altitude. so to minimize fallout, allow for landing, temporarily cripple and not destroy cities you want to occupy. While tat would be local, the way the current grid is set up, a local even could take out have the nations power.
"How the hell would you even protect the entire planet from something that powerful in the first place?" A) It wold depend on the size the is a wide range from slight impact to so large the material following it will kill us all anyways. B) Start by re-engineering are electrical grid.
"Don't we have more immediate things to worry about than something as unlikely as this?" This is one in a wide body of infrastructure issue that needs to be discussed and prioritized And if you are referring to a Solar event, then it isn't unlikely, it is inevitable.
They are correct, we do need to take step to prevent impact from a massive EMP from a solar burst. IT need to be part of a larger revamping of the system. DEsigned by engineers, and not by congress.
And why would trucks stop coming into the city? Oh, right becasue idiots think an EMP would stop most vehicles from running. Next time you tin foil hat friends mention it, be sure to inform them that only 3% would ahve any effect at all, and only a smalle number of those would lead to a situation where a crash could occur.
So, basically, we would be in 1910 for about a month, then 1920, within a year everyone would have power again.
Would people die? yes/ Would civilization collapse? no. The internet would be running at some capacity through the whole thing.
The biggest risk is that all these ignorant survivalist cause people to panic becasue of all the FUD that have been spreading.
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Nope. Continuation of the species is you first and foremost concern, even if you don't realize it.
Sadly. most parent with two working parents and a child in day care would be better off with one working parent, cost wise.
I've seen that a lot.
You missed one:
They can do the scientifically accurate thing regardless of public outcry.
"Because there is so far no scientifically validated reason to think it's a health problem"
You are wrong. Factually wrong.
Crypto has been found a number of times now.
" We Portlanders greatly appreciate our open air reservoirs"
As a Portlander, I say "Speak for your self."
"City Water Bureau does not."
False, they just chose safety and meeting Federal standards of the open air system and it's costs.
"Despite a large public outcry"
less then 1000 people is not large. Loud, obnoxious and lying? yes.
" water department despite saying that they were working to keep our reservoirs"
It's Bureau and not a department, and they did work hard and spend a lot of money to get exemptions.
"did not file for a waiver from the department of homeland security to keep the reservoirs open air."
Gosh, it's not up to them, is it? What a nonsense statement.
"the water department listened to public comment more and acted less like a dictator."
the WB listen to the public. They have open meeting, and get input all the time. Frankly., they are too open becasue the only people who have time for input are idiots like you.
So the Croton filtration system doesn't exist under the VanCortlandt park?
Nope he didn't. This is pure PR. nothing more. There is no risk form lawsuit.
Because you are stupid and crazy?
It is not. Due to loug and stupid public outcry, the WB has been trying to get an exemption for those rules for a number of years at the cost of 10's of millions of dollars.
The just recently got the final word saying no exemption, it has to be covered. Finally. The funny thing is., the original pan called for green way with fountains, and a track to be guilt of the enclosed reserves, but becasue the people fought them so long there isn't money in the budget for it so now they get ugly tanks.Until it is covered, the water is tested 2 times a week, for cryptosporidium along with a myriad of other safety processes.
"hey need to either be doing UV or ozone treatment after pulling water from the reservoir, or using a membrane/diatomaceous earth/slow sand filter to successfully filter out most crypto s.."
They new plants they finally get to build will be UV. They also wanted to fluoridate, and many the loons came out then. And where given a disproportionate amount of media time.
So it got shot down. Welcome to Portland, where "Herp Derp" outweighs science.
Not that it bothers me....
It is not run through a filter at any time. The water from Bull Run is exceptional in many regards, and considered one of the best, if not the best, water sources in the world.
They are trying to build a proper treatment facility, but fucktwads keep fighting them on it based on conspiracy theories.
Assuming it's poison when ingested as opposed to insert directly into the blood stream
Oh, this old canard.
No, it has nothing to do with contractor buddies. That is a fall back conspiracy position put out by clueless morons.
It is strictly a PR issue. I know because I worked at the Portland WB and have talked to him several times about this issue.
The city has a group of fear mongers trying to dictate what the WB should do, regardless of science. They are right up their with anti-vaxers and chemtrail loons.
Why do you think people on planes will have an issue? Planes are 'hardened' against non hostile EM event. such as lightening. They also have several redundant systems. The amount of redundancy depends on the criticality of the system
The impact of an EMP would be minimal. At least on Boeing systems. I assume* Air Bus also used RTCA/DO-160D or it's equivalent.
Since there are several ignorant memes in the public conscious put there by ignorant fear monger survivalist, panic may be a real issue.
Fact is, most planes will fly, the vast majority(>95%) of automobiles will work, and critical supplies will continue to flow.
*ah, crap.
half of it. But you could do the same thing with a few conventional explosive and a little research do do how the grid is currently laid out.
"Nuclear detonation? We'd have worse things to worry about then (like ionizing radiation killing us all)."
no everyone. Air burst can be high altitude. so to minimize fallout, allow for landing, temporarily cripple and not destroy cities you want to occupy.
While tat would be local, the way the current grid is set up, a local even could take out have the nations power.
"How the hell would you even protect the entire planet from something that powerful in the first place?"
A) It wold depend on the size the is a wide range from slight impact to so large the material following it will kill us all anyways.
B) Start by re-engineering are electrical grid.
"Don't we have more immediate things to worry about than something as unlikely as this?"
This is one in a wide body of infrastructure issue that needs to be discussed and prioritized
And if you are referring to a Solar event, then it isn't unlikely, it is inevitable.
Well, since the sun ejecting mass that would cause country wide EMP impact, and it WILL happen sooner or later, I think this qualifies.
Rebuilding are grid is a great benefit for many reasons. Better distributed power, less reliance on outside energy, improved SCADA defenses,
Re engineering the electrical grid minimizes the impact from a whole host of externals and internal issues.
The benefit is both wide and deep.
They are correct, we do need to take step to prevent impact from a massive EMP from a solar burst. IT need to be part of a larger revamping of the system. DEsigned by engineers, and not by congress.
Interesting red. if you like dry technical topics:
http://www.empcommission.org/d...
And why would trucks stop coming into the city?
Oh, right becasue idiots think an EMP would stop most vehicles from running.
Next time you tin foil hat friends mention it, be sure to inform them that only 3% would ahve any effect at all, and only a smalle number of those would lead to a situation where a crash could occur.
So, basically, we would be in 1910 for about a month, then 1920, within a year everyone would have power again.
Would people die? yes/ Would civilization collapse? no. The internet would be running at some capacity through the whole thing.
The biggest risk is that all these ignorant survivalist cause people to panic becasue of all the FUD that have been spreading.
http://www.empcommission.org/d...
Of course, this also mean it would need to be strong enough to impact that entire continent; which one could be, coming form the Sun.
If the work is done for the agency, then it's public record.
This is why I don't use my personal devices for any government business.
did you just allow an AC to bait you?
Yes, yes you did.
with modern design.
What about the issue of getting the electricity to shore.
Remember, when these reactors were design. plate tectonics was new.
I fond not using facebook has worked best.
A) It hasn't.
B) Prior expectations.
yeah, that will stand up in court. Really the people who put that in there should be fired. It will only end with a lawsuit and bad PR
I got one
"lets skip the prison rape ones."
oh, never mind.