Give me a break. If Microsoft broke the law, they must be held accountable.
IF is the point. The antitrust laws are so vague that it is almost impossible to know if and when you have broken them, until you are taken to court.
I remember studying the famous US vs ALCOA case, in which a judge ruled that providing better products at a lower cost than your rivals was anticompetitive, and found ALCOA guilty. Their crime? They were successful and popular. The punishment? Restriction of ALCOAs business. The consequence? A chronic shortage of Aluminium during WW2.
The problem is simply that the antitrust laws can be interpreted to punish anyone for anything, retroactively. That's right - even if it wasn't illegal when you did it, you can still be found guilty anyway.
Jealousy? Why? I don't write operating systems, and I have a Linux machine at home!
Now, you could row across the atlantic, and boat designs are free, and you don't need anyone's help, but personally, I find it easier, cheaper in total cost, faster and more enjoyable to take an airliner.
And that's why just because something's free that doesn't automatically make it good.
since i have this weird notion that life should be fair
Me too.
Which is why I resent governments forcing private citizens to bow at the point of a gun. Make no mistake, political force is nothing but physical coercion. If the DOJ wins, it sends the clear message the US citizens have no rights, and exist only at the whim of thugs and their sycophants.
"A government of laws, not of men" - if only this was true.
Interestingly, CMGI own Engage, who have a product known as "Engage Knowledge" - this allows you to compare the demographic and advertising data from your site with the data from *all* Engage sites, so you can see how your users differ from the "net average user".
Alta Vista would give this product a huge boost in terms of it's database, and vice versa, the revenue generation from Alta Vista will doubtless be enhanced by more sophisticated personalisation and targeting.
I've never had a problem with recruiters like this - I can even phone them up, recite the URL of my CV and they won't stop calling me back...
He complains that they didn't accept his document format; I dare say the head hunter said to his buddies, "here's some dude who ignored our clear instructions on what formats we accept".
The state of the average recruiters database is such that, for the majority of positions, they will have hundreds of vague matches, and a few good ones - without computers to sift them (after all, this is what computers are good at) they wouldn't be able to do their jobs.
Of course, the recruitter with the best database searching technology is the one who'll get most of the commissions, so expect to see them set better, quickly. I wonder if any of them can afford to implement Autonomy?
I think people would have been more upset if the requirement had been NT or AIX or any other $$$ OS.
Having one business unit(Tivoli) actively attempt to prevent the sales of another(AIX) is something that I wouldn't have expected even IBM to consider.
Well, despite the hysterical raving of many "open source" advocates, remember that Microsoft is just a company like any other. Would it be newsworthy if ESR was invited to speak at Sun Microsystems or SGI?
Considering ESR's public writing is often little short of slander, Microsoft are being extremely magnanimous (SP?) by inviting him, I only hope that he endeavours to make it a productive meeting and doesn't engage in his customary circus act - if for no other reason than it would simply be rude to insult his hosts.
Alpha is the fastest slab of silicon money can buy.
no it isn't, not by a long shot. Why do you think an S/390 with half a dozen CPUs is so much faster than a top-end AlphaServer 8400? and the more recent PA-RISC jobs are very close in performance - I'd rate a K-class against the equivalent Compaq kit anyday.
I'm always amused by this name, since none of them have done a days work in their lives. They're the party of parasites, who live off the effort of the workers.
Of course Microsoft want people to analyse Linux. What on earth do you suppose Slashdot itself is, with threads like this? Could it possibly be the Linux community analysing Microsoft, again and again, repeating the same conclusions ad nauseum?
according to an article on Lucas in last weekend's Sunday Times, individuality is not tolerated in his company, and pay is 33% less than similar companies. All workers exist simply to fulfill the vision of Lucas, and that's it - no dissent is permitted.
Yes, I imagine that working on starwars might be fun, but i would not work for a company like that, no matter what.
i've read many of these postings, and it seems that microsoft are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
MS have been so demonised by fanatical linux zealots that, let's face it, whatever they say or do from now until the end of time, there will be people on/. either randomly flaming them, spreading FUD about them or just ranting.
maybe, if you were just serving static documents, you could get a dozen boxes, copy your site to each one and use round robin DNS.
but add in session management, personalisation, real-time news feed, content archives, commerce, access control, extensible templating and dynamic page generation and all that other stuff we do in the real world, and your solution starts to look quite naive.
This article makes a number of very valid points. Certainly linux performance on low-end hardware is markedly superior to NT, but the question is, how many people deploy such hardware in production? Of course, that's not to say that there's no place for low end deployments, but the skilled engineer picks the right took for the right job in any situation. If I had a very low budget and just needed to deploy personal homepages and a POP3 server, for example, then linux would be a good choice (along with *BSD, naturally).
But for high volume dynamically generated content, for example, or commerce, or databases, NT is more mature and benefits from being developed by engineers rather than hackers. DEC, from whence Cutler came, are very serious about this.
While he is undoubtedly a highly talented programmer, I think that there are engineers in the world who are at least, if not more, skilled working for Sun, CMU, Microsoft, DEC and suchlike whose work has proved Linus to be very wrong. And as such, linux is crippled.
You code a product until it is done, and then release it. Anyway, I know that this model of development doesn't fit with what a suit expects, but please broaden your mind.
once I thought as you do.
but suits have lots of money, and I like big expensive toys from Sun and Oracle, so...
wtf has a transaction server got to do with serving webpages anyhow?
one word: ecommerce
Yeah but you get shite VB code monkeys
a more experienced engineer would realise that there are incompetent programmers with every language. some of the COM work that's been done here is very sophisticated, and VB means we can get it out the door quickly
Also there is already Oracles Application Server out in beta
yes, i know, i have deployed applications using both 3 and 4. it does some things well, but some things quite poorly - as is true for most products.
besides COM is a very limited OO architecture and is no match for the raw power of Perl
you've never actually used COM have you? or done much perl for that matter?
Only in a microsoft shop. It takes vb programmers longer to knock out bodged junk than decent c/per/java programmers can build a decent app using widely available tools.
your bigotry is evident. here's a clue: get some experience first. why do i say this? because you are focussing on language and completely ignoring the bigger picture.
yes, of course, and linux is probably quite suitable for small projects. however, it's not suitable for everything, as some of it's more zealous advocates seem to proclaim.
That's because you are accustomed to using the Microsoft tools
it's not ease so much as capability. certain features, such as message queuing, ORBs, &c simply don't work on linux (for now; but i'm not holding my breath). And where's the journalled filesystem, HA clustering, transaction monitoring, system partitioning?
Do you work for a company where budgets are very easy to get?
not anymore so than any other company, i'm sure, but we do fairly large projects.
A lot of sites use IIS 3, not 4 because 4 is still very buggy
certainly it has many more features, but it doesn't have more bugs. in fact, IIS4 is remarkably stable if you use it with MTS.
Is it $1,000.00 per server better?
$1000 is one day's work for a development team. if over a project, using NT's superior tools saves 2 days, the choice of NT has paid for itself. (before anyone flames me over "superior tools", please tell me the linux equivalents of MTS, MSMQ and DCOM)
Which server has more server side application options? Apache with it's module interface is superior to IIS and ISAPI. For example, rewrite and perl or python are much more powerful than ASP and jscript/Visual Basic
ASP has complete integration with COM and can do anything a COM object can do. This approach is markedly superior to text processing languages. This same advantage is shared by CORBA an EJB tools, which again, linux doesn't have.
Don't forget that to actually develop any thing worthwhile on NT/IIS (like database access and ecommerce) you have to puchase additional and sometimes very expensive tools.
see above. the tools rapidly pay for themselves, then save significant cash. also, the cost of OS and tools is a very small part of the budget on major projects.
The silicon follies series i found to be highly patronising. if you read the rest of them, the reiterating theme is "professional engineers are sad and pathetic" mixed in with a large dose of "useless liberal arts majors are good and wonderful".
basically, it's just another dig at techies, which is a pity as salon's content is often interesting.
it's not so much my hands are unused to writing, but my mind has lost the ability to structure large bodies of text without the ability to move and modify freely anywhere in the document!
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IF is the point. The antitrust laws are so vague that it is almost impossible to know if and when you have broken them, until you are taken to court.
I remember studying the famous US vs ALCOA case, in which a judge ruled that providing better products at a lower cost than your rivals was anticompetitive, and found ALCOA guilty. Their crime? They were successful and popular. The punishment? Restriction of ALCOAs business. The consequence? A chronic shortage of Aluminium during WW2.
The problem is simply that the antitrust laws can be interpreted to punish anyone for anything, retroactively. That's right - even if it wasn't illegal when you did it, you can still be found guilty anyway.
Laws should be definite and objective.
Jealousy? Why? I don't write operating systems, and I have a Linux machine at home!
Now, you could row across the atlantic, and boat designs are free, and you don't need anyone's help, but personally, I find it easier, cheaper in total cost, faster and more enjoyable to take an airliner.
And that's why just because something's free that doesn't automatically make it good.
Me too.
Which is why I resent governments forcing private citizens to bow at the point of a gun. Make no mistake, political force is nothing but physical coercion. If the DOJ wins, it sends the clear message the US citizens have no rights, and exist only at the whim of thugs and their sycophants.
"A government of laws, not of men" - if only this was true.
>Linux based search engines are good.
Why does the underlying operating system mean that the search algorithm is superior or inferior? Or is this more mindless linux bigotry?
Certainly, Linux's lack of a fast storage and support for advanced technologies such as NUMA mean that it is unsuitable for large-scale searches.
Interestingly, CMGI own Engage, who have a product known as "Engage Knowledge" - this allows you to compare the demographic and advertising data from your site with the data from *all* Engage sites, so you can see how your users differ from the "net average user".
Alta Vista would give this product a huge boost in terms of it's database, and vice versa, the revenue generation from Alta Vista will doubtless be enhanced by more sophisticated personalisation and targeting.
He complains that they didn't accept his document format; I dare say the head hunter said to his buddies, "here's some dude who ignored our clear instructions on what formats we accept".
The state of the average recruiters database is such that, for the majority of positions, they will have hundreds of vague matches, and a few good ones - without computers to sift them (after all, this is what computers are good at) they wouldn't be able to do their jobs.
Of course, the recruitter with the best database searching technology is the one who'll get most of the commissions, so expect to see them set better, quickly. I wonder if any of them can afford to implement Autonomy?
Having one business unit(Tivoli) actively attempt to prevent the sales of another(AIX) is something that I wouldn't have expected even IBM to consider.
Well, despite the hysterical raving of many "open source" advocates, remember that Microsoft is just a company like any other. Would it be newsworthy if ESR was invited to speak at Sun Microsystems or SGI?
Considering ESR's public writing is often little short of slander, Microsoft are being extremely magnanimous (SP?) by inviting him, I only hope that he endeavours to make it a productive meeting and doesn't engage in his customary circus act - if for no other reason than it would simply be rude to insult his hosts.
no it isn't, not by a long shot. Why do you think an S/390 with half a dozen CPUs is so much faster than a top-end AlphaServer 8400? and the more recent PA-RISC jobs are very close in performance - I'd rate a K-class against the equivalent Compaq kit anyday.
Can you say Rearden Metal?
This must be sarcasm, right? Or do you really think the way to get an education is to read web bulletin boards!?
I'm always amused by this name, since none of them have done a days work in their lives. They're the party of parasites, who live off the effort of the workers.
Of course Microsoft want people to analyse Linux. What on earth do you suppose Slashdot itself is, with threads like this? Could it possibly be the Linux community analysing Microsoft, again and again, repeating the same conclusions ad nauseum?
8086, I think you mean...
according to an article on Lucas in last weekend's Sunday Times, individuality is not tolerated in his company, and pay is 33% less than similar companies. All workers exist simply to fulfill the vision of Lucas, and that's it - no dissent is permitted.
Yes, I imagine that working on starwars might be fun, but i would not work for a company like that, no matter what.
i've read many of these postings, and it seems that microsoft are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
/. either randomly flaming them, spreading FUD about them or just ranting.
MS have been so demonised by fanatical linux zealots that, let's face it, whatever they say or do from now until the end of time, there will be people on
My advice? grow up and get a life.
maybe, if you were just serving static documents, you could get a dozen boxes, copy your site to each one and use round robin DNS.
but add in session management, personalisation, real-time news feed, content archives, commerce, access control, extensible templating and dynamic page generation and all that other stuff we do in the real world, and your solution starts to look quite naive.
But for high volume dynamically generated content, for example, or commerce, or databases, NT is more mature and benefits from being developed by engineers rather than hackers. DEC, from whence Cutler came, are very serious about this.
However, for midrange work, linux simply isn't up to par yet. I seem to recall Linus himself stating that he believed OS design was well understood by the 1970s, and he considers microkernels to be "stupid", plan9 to be "stupid" etc etc.
While he is undoubtedly a highly talented programmer, I think that there are engineers in the world who are at least, if not more, skilled working for Sun, CMU, Microsoft, DEC and suchlike whose work has proved Linus to be very wrong. And as such, linux is crippled.
a product until it is done, and then release it. Anyway, I know that this model of
development doesn't fit with what a suit expects, but please broaden your mind.
once I thought as you do.
but suits have lots of money, and I like big expensive toys from Sun and Oracle, so...
one word: ecommerce
Yeah but you get shite VB code monkeys
a more experienced engineer would realise that there are incompetent programmers with every language. some of the COM work that's been done here is very sophisticated, and VB means we can get it out the door quickly
Also there is already Oracles Application Server out in beta
yes, i know, i have deployed applications using both 3 and 4. it does some things well, but some things quite poorly - as is true for most products.
besides COM is a very limited OO architecture and is no match for the raw power of Perl
you've never actually used COM have you? or done much perl for that matter?
Only in a microsoft shop. It takes vb programmers longer to knock out bodged junk than decent c/per/java programmers can build a decent app using widely available tools.
your bigotry is evident. here's a clue: get some experience first. why do i say this? because you are focussing on language and completely ignoring the bigger picture.
yes, of course, and linux is probably quite suitable for small projects. however, it's not
suitable for everything, as some of it's more zealous advocates seem to proclaim.
That's because you are accustomed to using the Microsoft tools
it's not ease so much as capability. certain features, such as message queuing, ORBs, &c simply don't work on linux (for now; but i'm not holding my breath). And where's the journalled filesystem, HA clustering, transaction monitoring, system partitioning?
Do you work for a company where budgets are very easy to get?
not anymore so than any other company, i'm sure, but we do fairly large projects.
certainly it has many more features, but it doesn't have more bugs. in fact, IIS4 is remarkably stable if you use it with MTS.
Is it $1,000.00 per server better?
$1000 is one day's work for a development team. if over a project, using NT's superior tools saves 2 days, the choice of NT has paid for itself. (before anyone flames me over "superior tools", please tell me the linux equivalents of MTS, MSMQ and DCOM)
Which server has more server side application options? Apache with it's module interface is superior to IIS and ISAPI. For example, rewrite and perl or python are much more powerful than ASP and jscript/Visual Basic
ASP has complete integration with COM and can do anything a COM object can do. This approach is markedly superior to text processing languages. This same advantage is shared by CORBA an EJB tools, which again, linux doesn't have.
Don't forget that to actually develop any thing worthwhile on NT/IIS (like database access and ecommerce) you have to puchase additional and sometimes very expensive tools.
see above. the tools rapidly pay for themselves, then save significant cash. also, the cost of OS and tools is a very small part of the budget on major projects.
The silicon follies series i found to be highly patronising. if you read the rest of them, the reiterating theme is "professional engineers are sad and pathetic" mixed in with a large dose of "useless liberal arts majors are good and wonderful".
basically, it's just another dig at techies, which is a pity as salon's content is often interesting.
it's not so much my hands are unused to writing, but my mind has lost the ability to structure large bodies of text without the ability to move and modify freely anywhere in the document!
clearly, your TV is too small... :0)