Writing a piece of proprietry software, or software to solve as yet unexplored problems is equivalent to designing the bridge from basic principles and cannot be taught.
you've never used a framework or a class library, have you? what about CASE tools and code generation?
this debate is meaningless with all these kids posting. let the engineers speak...
software should be just as reliable as a bridge - and you'd know that if you'd any experience of formal methods. look at heart machines, air traffic control, the bank networks, even your microwave oven - how often does it crash?
when you leave your home pc in your dorm room at your.edu and get out into the real world, then you'll know the score.
no, not at all maybe that was true in the early days of the web, maybe it's still true on the projects you work but...
over here, we deal with real money, real commerce. if something breaks, it *costs* and we might get *sued*.
certification/accreditation means that you are serious and responsible enough to be trusted with applications, not toys. i'm bound by the IAP code of conduct, and this means that so long as we don't break the rules, the job gets done to spec and everyone's happy.
you get "self taught" cowboys coming in, the whole project gets messed up, these people have no discipline and no experience, and they can't be trusted.
How could anyone truly believe that MS is essential to *anything*?
i'll probably get flamed for this, but objectively speaking, so far in the history of computing microsoft have been far more essential than linux ever has, and this is unlikely to change.
doesn't work like that. these days, sysadmin and programming skills are largely commoditized, especially since CASE and code generation tools are becoming mature. The real skills are in analysis and project management.
just out of curiousity, i know domain names go for $$$ these days, but were perl.org and cpan.org really it's most valuable assets (in dollars)? does anyone have any figures?
I'm not sure this is a valid point, after all, the specs of the NGPS are beyond anything that a current PC is capable of. Certainly you won't see PCs with the raw speed to emulate an NGPS for a few years, and the NGPS is backwardly compatible, according to Edge magazine.
IMHO, Sony are just panicking over emulation because it makes piracy so much easier.
with the rise of n-tier architecture and thin client, mainframe-style computing is getting stronger than ever. centralised data and logic, just the display on the desktop.
I seriously suggest that if you don't believe that SQL 7.0 and NT 4.0 can sustain high transaction load, you're wrong,
I have powerful, highly available NT servers too, altho' not handling quite that much load. when i said high transaction loads, I meant high, of the scale of a country's cheque clearing for example.
I've been using Sphinx since beta 1, and I like it a lot. What I like most about NT is it gives me a complete platform, SQL/MSMQ/MTS/IIS all sitting nicely together.
57 servers that prove you wrong. Individually, these servers are not as high powered as a 14 processor Enterprise 6000 running Oracle
57 servers cheaper than an E6000? hmm, i think you need to look at these.
of course, no-one seriously suggests that you can run NT for high-volume OLTP, say, for that you need a serious piece of kit like a Sequent. And NT doesn't even run on the hardware you'd need for serious data warehousing. Rock solid medium sized databases on a E450, AXP running VMS or an AS/400, for example, are superior to NT - for now.
but if you want to run a data mart, OLAP and decision support, NT is excellent. It's cheap, Sphinx handles medium sized datasets well if you're going with pure MS, and Oracle on NT is much better (actually far better than Oracle on Linux), and NTS/NTW integrate easily, there are plenty of tools available, &c &c.
Remember that NT isn't that old - how long did it take Unix to become accepted? here in the UK, it was 1998 before the Inland Revenue felt that Unix was powerful enough to support their operations (they were running on ICL VME machines) and how they're porting to HP and Sequent. Many data centres are sticking with their IBM kit because Unix simply won't cut it for their operations.
This isn't to say that either NT or Unix are intrinsically bad, but the fact is simply that you have to deploy the right tool in the right circumstance. Linux, for example, is great for a cheap X windows desktop, or a low volume web server - but can anyone honestly say that AMEX or NASDAQ could run their transactions on it? or serve a site like cnn.com?
I own a NeXT color turbo, and it's an excellent piece of kit, but...
the original cube was an '030 with an optical disk designed to be sold to education... for $10,000. and they wondered why they didn't sell, it's Jobs and his up-his-own-arse elistist pretensions again. he doesn't *want* to be popular, he just wants adoration from a fanatical minority.
They couldn't find a niche because they didn't bother to study the market beforehand. The targetting of NeXT towards the mission-critical custom app (MCCA) space saved them, but by then it was too late... NeXT could have made an absolute killing in the scientific, financial and DTP/pre-press markets if they'd been clued up, and today you'd have a dual-PPC NeXT slab on your desk instead of a SPARCstation.
NeXTStep is some of the most advanced software ever written, even today, but it was left to wither and die by Jobs.
trained by the Microsoft Evil Empire to believe that lockups and crashes are normal behaviour
or not. the last time my NT workstation crashed was last september when the SCSI controller failed. Since then it's been up running half a dozen servers and heavy interactive use, no problem. YMMV.
my degree is in mechanical engineering, which isn't terribly relevant to my job as an rdbms programmer, but the things it taught me about engineering principles, honed my problem solving skills, taught me about rigour and formal proof &c &c.
and of course, the staff and the facilities exposed me to things i'd never have been able to try otherwise.
not to mention the social aspect, and the opportunity to up sticks and move to the city...
if you're wondering whether or not to go to college, my advise is skip the big bucks for a few years (it's not long really) and just learn and enjoy yourself!
microsoft UK gave a million UKP to a children's charity. billg has personally given millions to build school libraries, immunise against diseases, and suchlike.
microsoft UL gave a million UKP to a children's charity. billg has personally given millions to build school libraries, immunise against diseases, and suchlike.
Java is also a language. It is a good language. I would like to write programs in it. this was the argument used by many to justify microsoft's Win32 specific extensions:0)
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ah, you poor naive child.
people like you are why there's so much legacy code in the world, because back then people knew how to build systems, and now they just don't care.
say well away from programming anything that isn't a toy. don't even think about air traffic control, the banking system, life support machines....
*sigh*
you aren't certifying a *language* you're certifying a *process*
actual code is trivial if the system analysis and process is good - it's just data entry.
you've never used a framework or a class library, have you? what about CASE tools and code generation?
this debate is meaningless with all these kids posting. let the engineers speak...
that's just excuses.
.edu and get out into the real world, then you'll know the score.
software should be just as reliable as a bridge - and you'd know that if you'd any experience of formal methods. look at heart machines, air traffic control, the bank networks, even your microwave oven - how often does it crash?
when you leave your home pc in your dorm room at your
over here, we deal with real money, real commerce. if something breaks, it *costs* and we might get *sued*.
certification/accreditation means that you are serious and responsible enough to be trusted with applications, not toys. i'm bound by the IAP code of conduct, and this means that so long as we don't break the rules, the job gets done to spec and everyone's happy.
you get "self taught" cowboys coming in, the whole project gets messed up, these people have no discipline and no experience, and they can't be trusted.
i'll probably get flamed for this, but objectively speaking, so far in the history of computing microsoft have been far more essential than linux ever has, and this is unlikely to change.
doesn't work like that. these days, sysadmin and programming skills are largely commoditized, especially since CASE and code generation tools are becoming mature. The real skills are in analysis and project management.
does anyone have comparison between hotspot and oracle's 8i JVM?
:0( (running 8.0.5 and 7.3.4 on all our suns)
i don't have a spare box for 8i at the moment
just out of curiousity, i know domain names go for $$$ these days, but were perl.org and cpan.org really it's most valuable assets (in dollars)? does anyone have any figures?
I'm not sure this is a valid point, after all, the specs of the NGPS are beyond anything that a current PC is capable of. Certainly you won't see PCs with the raw speed to emulate an NGPS for a few years, and the NGPS is backwardly compatible, according to Edge magazine.
IMHO, Sony are just panicking over emulation because it makes piracy so much easier.
the PC community *won*?
what have you been smoking?
with the rise of n-tier architecture and thin client, mainframe-style computing is getting stronger than ever. centralised data and logic, just the display on the desktop.
you've never actually seen a VMS machine, have you?
Why Unix/Linux is better? Unix is the de-facto incarnation of all OS-research/science teached at Universities (there can't be anything better)
you've never been into a real-world data centre, have you?
I have powerful, highly available NT servers too, altho' not handling quite that much load. when i said high transaction loads, I meant high, of the scale of a country's cheque clearing for example.
I've been using Sphinx since beta 1, and I like it a lot. What I like most about NT is it gives me a complete platform, SQL/MSMQ/MTS/IIS all sitting nicely together.
57 servers that prove you wrong. Individually, these servers are not as high powered as a 14 processor Enterprise 6000 running Oracle
57 servers cheaper than an E6000? hmm, i think you need to look at these.
of course, no-one seriously suggests that you can run NT for high-volume OLTP, say, for that you need a serious piece of kit like a Sequent. And NT
doesn't even run on the hardware you'd need for serious data warehousing. Rock solid medium sized databases on a E450, AXP running VMS or an AS/400, for example, are superior to NT - for now.
but if you want to run a data mart, OLAP and decision support, NT is excellent. It's cheap,
Sphinx handles medium sized datasets well if you're going with pure MS, and Oracle on NT is much better (actually far better than Oracle on Linux), and NTS/NTW integrate easily, there are plenty of tools available, &c &c.
Remember that NT isn't that old - how long did it take Unix to become accepted? here in the UK, it was 1998 before the Inland Revenue felt that Unix was powerful enough to support their operations (they were running on ICL VME machines) and how they're porting to HP and Sequent. Many data centres are sticking with their IBM kit because Unix simply won't cut it for their operations.
This isn't to say that either NT or Unix are intrinsically bad, but the fact is simply that you have to deploy the right tool in the right circumstance. Linux, for example, is great for a cheap X windows desktop, or a low volume web server - but can anyone honestly say that AMEX or NASDAQ could run their transactions on it? or serve a site like cnn.com?
or on NT? of course not.
I own a NeXT color turbo, and it's an excellent piece of kit, but...
the original cube was an '030 with an optical disk designed to be sold to education... for $10,000. and they wondered why they didn't sell, it's Jobs and his up-his-own-arse elistist pretensions again. he doesn't *want* to be popular, he just wants adoration from a fanatical minority.
They couldn't find a niche because they didn't bother to study the market beforehand. The targetting of NeXT towards the mission-critical custom app (MCCA) space saved them, but by then it was too late... NeXT could have made an absolute killing in the scientific, financial and DTP/pre-press markets if they'd been clued up, and today you'd have a dual-PPC NeXT slab on your desk instead of a SPARCstation.
NeXTStep is some of the most advanced software ever written, even today, but it was left to wither and die by Jobs.
it was a zero division error that caused the crash, not the operating system. please check your facts.
or not. the last time my NT workstation crashed was last september when the SCSI controller failed. Since then it's been up running half a dozen servers and heavy interactive use, no problem. YMMV.
SGI myth and reality:
http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/sgi-myths.html
definitely.
my degree is in mechanical engineering, which isn't terribly relevant to my job as an rdbms programmer, but the things it taught me about engineering principles, honed my problem solving skills, taught me about rigour and formal proof &c &c.
and of course, the staff and the facilities exposed me to things i'd never have been able to try otherwise.
not to mention the social aspect, and the opportunity to up sticks and move to the city...
if you're wondering whether or not to go to college, my advise is skip the big bucks for a few years (it's not long really) and just learn and enjoy yourself!
microsoft UK gave a million UKP to a children's charity. billg has personally given millions to build school libraries, immunise against diseases, and suchlike.
i challenge redhat to match any donations.
microsoft UL gave a million UKP to a children's charity. billg has personally given millions to build school libraries, immunise against diseases, and suchlike.
i challenge redhat to match any donations.
didn't jamie zawinski say as much?
Java is also a language. It is a good language. I would like to write programs in it. this was the argument used by many to justify microsoft's Win32 specific extensions :0)
Apple charge for upgrades. So do Oracle, Sybase, IBM and almost every other company.
And the article didn't say the 'service pack' wasn't free - it says the upgrade wan't free.
claiming the SP isn't free is hysterical scaremongering.
no sharing without profit is a *bad* thing.
a nthm10.txt
read this:
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/etext/gutenberg/etext98/