I absolutely understand your feeling about Gnome/E as shipped on RH6.0. It's a disaster. However, the latest stable gnome (1.0.53 which is 1.0.54 on my system somehow) is a far different critter, much more stable. I generally despise Enlightenment for it's obtrusiveness and grandiosity which has gone from bad to worse, so I replace E with IceWM 1.0.1 This is much nicer feeling than E, IMO, cause it does what you want a windowmanager to do and doesn't constantly call attention to itself. IceWM 1.0.1 and October gnome has made Gnome liveable for me, finally, although in the months since RH6.0 I have spent a lot of time in KDE, and more lately discovering lighter environments and windowmanager combinations. Now that I can stand gnome, I'm not sure I want or need a "desk environment". I rarely use the start menu thingy for either Gnome or KDE and the other panel apps aren't too compelling in either case, so I'm kind of pared down to IceWM+DFM (a good file manager that's attractive, unlike Gnu Midnight Commander, which I could never stand the sight of). Lighter combinations are faster and IceWM's Gnome compatibility and the fact that DFM itself is gtk based allow me to use "Gnome" gtk apps transparently with the file manager without having to run a Gnome-session desktop. It has also solved 95% of my angst about KDE's clunky look and heavy footprint. This at last is about all i want or could ask from a Linux desktop and I'd recommend it to anyone who's underwhelmed by overblown desktop environments and not afraid of doing a samll amount of text configuration.
Try 2.3.35 I did and I think that sound and networking were solid, on my 1 Linx box anyway. Using Intel EtherExpress 100B and Creative SB awe64 cards. I do want to find out more about the new packet filtering dealie that's "replacing" ipchains. Does that mean ipchains will not work right anymore? Must study up on this question before I move 2.3 to active duty.
Announced back in the fall that they were going to jointly promote Debian in retail stores. Maybe this will be available to the general public as another, professional-workstation, shrinkwrapped version of Debian? that would be rich!
Will you buy a whole VA Linux rig to get it? I am sceptical along with some others that this will benefit "Linux users" anymore than the existence of fully OpenGL modules for XiGraphics. Maybe even less. XiGraphics requires you to purchase some software. This press release (hinted at on MaximumPC site yesterday) sounds to me like VA's bid to produce an essentially proprietary workstation platform which is based on, but not sharing with, Linux. I don't fault them for doing it, but I doubt I'll benefit from this move despite the fact that I own a TNT2.
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from what I can see that's basically their business plan: keep 'em stupid. Kids hop up and down until their parents get them AOL, then they get gouged on "premium" content stuff like splatterball on a per-minute basis --all of which they can get for free or for lower flat-rates on their own. I have a friend who asks me for advice on pc matters from time to time. His oldest kid armtwisted him into signing up for AOL (but it's free, Dad it's free for 100 whole hours!!). Then he started getting the bill.(hohoho) 45 dollars a month for Splatterball alone, not including the charge for basic AOL. He asked me about it. 5 minutes of searching on the web later, I found out that you can play Splatterball+ for unlimited minutes/hours for 9.99 a month (from the company that created the game). Why do people hate AOL? well devious pricegouging is one good reason. An even better reason is that many of us AOL-haters know very well that Steve Case has not given up his dream of subverting the Internet and converting it to his private toll-road (the way aol and compuserve were before the www made the Internet popular). The dumbed-down AOL interface hides the resources of the Internet from its vic^H^H^users preventing them from knowing what their really connected to when they access some interesting content pushed their way by AOL. The result is --remember that these are generally kids and people with the mental capacity of children-- that they believe the stuff BELONGS to AOL. AOL must have created it for them (!). This is fundamentally misrepresentation, and leads to users being unaware of existence of a market for the services accessed which leads,in turn, to massive overcharging for these services. Meanwhile AOl remains antagonistic to the open character and tradition of the internet and web, and this hostility begins right at the user's PC: AOL subtracts from the freedom of users to use software of their choosing --from applications to operating systems-- when accessing the Internet through their AOL dialup connections. And it keeps them stupid and in a state of infantile dependence on the AOL interface. You will use AOL keywords! we control the vertical, we control the horizontal, we control the language you use to navigate and negotiate your way on the web.You will use the web our way and if you want to learn other programs, we've already put up every roadblock imaginable --so forget about it. AOl users never "grow up" in terms of their skills; take away AOL and their helpless as babies sucking their thumbs and crying with rage against interfaces as "user-hostile" as Netscape, InternetExplorer and Yahoo. The restrictions of the AOL interface prevent them from learning adaptation, whereas the standard tools and standard ISP's do not restrict the users experimentations, so they learn as they try different things to see if it suits them. The more people sign on to this company, AOL --I don't really know what you'd call it, you can't really call it an ISP; they restrict more service than they provide-- the more pervasive becomes the lie that AOL is the Internet, an ISP like any other, the more accepted general online imbecility becomes, and the deeper AOL's shadow over online content providers and standards becomes. And the fewer people there are remaining who understand that freedom of everyone online is being threatened by an alien and essentially hostile parasite.
Bottom line: AOL is for losers who're too stupid to know better, or the criminally irresponsible who don't care.
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I absolutely understand your feeling about Gnome/E as shipped on RH6.0. It's a disaster. However, the latest stable gnome (1.0.53 which is 1.0.54 on my system somehow) is a far different critter, much more stable. I generally despise Enlightenment for it's obtrusiveness and grandiosity which has gone from bad to worse, so I replace E with IceWM 1.0.1 This is much nicer feeling than E, IMO, cause it does what you want a windowmanager to do and doesn't constantly call attention to itself. IceWM 1.0.1 and October gnome has made Gnome liveable for me, finally, although in the months since RH6.0 I have spent a lot of time in KDE, and more lately discovering lighter environments and windowmanager combinations. Now that I can stand gnome, I'm not sure I want or need a "desk environment". I rarely use the start menu thingy for either Gnome or KDE and the other panel apps aren't too compelling in either case, so I'm kind of pared down to IceWM+DFM (a good file manager that's attractive, unlike Gnu Midnight Commander, which I could never stand the sight of). Lighter combinations are faster and IceWM's Gnome compatibility and the fact that DFM itself is gtk based allow me to use "Gnome" gtk apps transparently with the file manager without having to run a Gnome-session desktop. It has also solved 95% of my angst about KDE's clunky look and heavy footprint. This at last is about all i want or could ask from a Linux desktop and I'd recommend it to anyone who's underwhelmed by overblown desktop environments and not afraid of doing a samll amount of text configuration.
Try 2.3.35 I did and I think that sound and networking were solid, on my 1 Linx box anyway. Using Intel EtherExpress 100B and Creative SB awe64 cards. I do want to find out more about the new packet filtering dealie that's "replacing" ipchains. Does that mean ipchains will not work right anymore? Must study up on this question before I move 2.3 to active duty.
Announced back in the fall that they were going to jointly promote Debian in retail stores. Maybe this will be available to the general public as another, professional-workstation, shrinkwrapped version of Debian? that would be rich!
Will you buy a whole VA Linux rig to get it? I am sceptical along with some others that this will benefit "Linux users" anymore than the existence of fully OpenGL modules for XiGraphics. Maybe even less. XiGraphics requires you to purchase some software. This press release (hinted at on MaximumPC site yesterday) sounds to me like VA's bid to produce an essentially proprietary workstation platform which is based on, but not sharing with, Linux. I don't fault them for doing it, but I doubt I'll benefit from this move despite the fact that I own a TNT2.
I have a friend who asks me for advice on pc matters from time to time. His oldest kid armtwisted him into signing up for AOL (but it's free, Dad it's free for 100 whole hours!!). Then he started getting the bill.(hohoho) 45 dollars a month for Splatterball alone, not including the charge for basic AOL. He asked me about it. 5 minutes of searching on the web later, I found out that you can play Splatterball+ for unlimited minutes/hours for 9.99 a month (from the company that created the game). Why do people hate AOL? well devious pricegouging is one good reason. An even better reason is that many of us AOL-haters know very well that Steve Case has not given up his dream of subverting the Internet and converting it to his private toll-road (the way aol and compuserve were before the www made the Internet popular). The dumbed-down AOL interface hides the resources of the Internet from its vic^H^H^users preventing them from knowing what their really connected to when they access some interesting content pushed their way by AOL. The result is --remember that these are generally kids and people with the mental capacity of children-- that they believe the stuff BELONGS to AOL. AOL must have created it for them (!). This is fundamentally misrepresentation, and leads to users being unaware of existence of a market for the services accessed which leads,in turn, to massive overcharging for these services. Meanwhile AOl remains antagonistic to the open character and tradition of the internet and web, and this hostility begins right at the user's PC: AOL subtracts from the freedom of users to use software of their choosing --from applications to operating systems-- when accessing the Internet through their AOL dialup connections. And it keeps them stupid and in a state of infantile dependence on the AOL interface. You will use AOL keywords! we control the vertical, we control the horizontal, we control the language you use to navigate and negotiate your way on the web.You will use the web our way and if you want to learn other programs, we've already put up every roadblock imaginable --so forget about it. AOl users never "grow up" in terms of their skills; take away AOL and their helpless as babies sucking their thumbs and crying with rage against interfaces as "user-hostile" as Netscape, InternetExplorer and Yahoo. The restrictions of the AOL interface prevent them from learning adaptation, whereas the standard tools and standard ISP's do not restrict the users experimentations, so they learn as they try different things to see if it suits them.
The more people sign on to this company, AOL --I don't really know what you'd call it, you can't really call it an ISP; they restrict more service than they provide-- the more pervasive becomes the lie that AOL is the Internet, an ISP like any other, the more accepted general online imbecility becomes, and the deeper AOL's shadow over online content providers and standards becomes. And the fewer people there are remaining who understand that freedom of everyone online is being threatened by an alien and essentially hostile parasite.
Bottom line: AOL is for losers who're too stupid to know better, or the criminally irresponsible who don't care.