This style of computer doesn't breed much curiosity in the user, so Open Source is unlikely to interest them.
I beg to differ. The first time i got my hands on a Mac (then a wee Mac Plus in the school computer lab), I looked at it and wondered if I could make it better. And so the adventures with ResEdit began. I've performed many, many OS reinstalls because I changed the wrong bitvalue whilst stupidly hacking about in the active System suitcase.
So people are, in general, interested in that sort of thing. They just need the tools and a basic HOWTO to get started. Give a kid ResEdit, a HOWTO, a Mac, and some free time, and she/he'll be happily fragging away at resource forks instead of drooling stupidly in front of mtv.com.
--soze, the geek chicky over there
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*clears throat*
'guanu'.
okay, even i'll admit that was pretty lame. but hey, it's a slow workday, and i'm bored.
To the powerless college student it really doesn't matter what the article actually says, which seems to be a high matter of debate here. What matters is what the idiot luser adninnies will interpret it to mean, which will, in fact, be ban everything except port 80. Some might go so far as to yank the firewall cable right out of the friggin wall. Remember, these are the same guys that decided that linux was a 'hacking tool'.
Telnet is for hackers! FTP can be used to pirate Windows! Good obedient students concerned about getting a good corporate drone job only use the industry standard, Windows, because everyone else does! IT'S ALL PINE'S FAULT!
you're falling into the same logic hole as all of the 'bad guys'.
the net is great for learning. i read more (of substance, not alt.sex.stories either) daily on the web than i could realistically convince myself to buy on dead trees in a month.
and isn't the restriction of information what we're trying to prevent? if we keep our children from accessing the net, we'll just be more deeply ingraining into society the belief that information should be carefully closeted away from public view.
after all, to a ten year old, girls all have cooties anyway.
most, if not all, of my research in high school came off the net, supplying everything from U2 photos from the Cuban Missile Crisis to a proof of a controversial theorem in Relativity. the Net was an incredible resource for me, since my high school was half an hour drive away from my home and my local library just plain sucked rocks.
so children don't need to be banned from the internet. adults need to be banned from being absent from their children's lives. the internet is becoming another glass teat for parents that had children more to keep up with the Joneses than because they were genuinely interested in reproducing. society's gotta change, not us, dammit, because we got it right the first time.
Well, looking at the pic it seems that they're trying to push the iMac form factor without the gooshy candy colors. Remember black=badass when it comes to electronics in most consumers' minds.
Things deteriorate. Satellites that have run out of power eventually fall apart. They're not so much concerned with satellites knocking into each other as *fragments* of satellites hitting, say, the space shuttle and turning the Elbonian envoy to space into Swiss cheese (how's that for a diplomatic incident).
Have you ever seen the damage that space shuttle orbiters have come back sporting after a jaunt around the earth? Specks of dust nearly shattering viewports are not uncommon. Moving at whatever velocity they do (I won't bother pulling a number out of my ass here, but it's an obscene speed), even paint chips can do untold damage.
So space is a dangerous place, and we're not helping. IMO, we need to set up a Celestial Shop-Vac before things like, oh, say, the entire Iridium network, decide to flake out and create more of a hazard for spacefarers.
as we've all said by now, market research is the new gold. in a society where information is transforming from commodity into currency itself, it's not surprising that every company wants to know the buying habits of you and your three rabid gibbons.
i've noticed this on several levels. free software using sneaky tactics to get your download/spending habits is only the latest example. the more frightening example, however, is when companies demand to know how many pellets you feed your bunny or they won't support the product warranty.
i noticed this last example with a DOD ice box chorus pedal i bought from a music store. they wanted to know, amongst other things, what magazines i read and if i had 'logged on to the Internet' in the last month. i don't have the registration card in front of me (they didn't even pay for the postage), but the fine print said something akin to "we will not support problems with this pedal blowing up and taking your precious guitar, amp, MIDI system, and the west side of your house with it, if you do not return this card with the entire requested information".
so, what this boils down to, is that companies like DOD will sell you a product at an inflated price, and then expect you to give them information which is worth more than the profit they just made off of the purchase of said product, or they will not be responsible for any defects or otherwise in the product.
i now have an unregistered DOD product. an effects pedal is not worth my information.
[disclaimer: the following is written by an actual honest-to-god *female*. take it as you will.]
In response to all the people 'afraid' of discussion boards, to all the sexual harassment certain hahh-vahhd educated persons receive...
GROW A SPINE ALREADY!
Let's start with the people who're 'afraid' of/.'s mean old discussion boards. Ooh, look there, a one and a zero are slapped up against eachother! oh *no*! I THINK THE ELECTRONS ARE TALKING ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK!
The net is rough. Get an asbestos suit. Just because some 3137 hax0r d00d said that you fsck Fluffy, your wife's cat, every night before you turn in, does NOT mean that the net should be screened or filtered at the source. That's censorship. Isn't that one of the reasons those backwater hicks in those overseas British colonies picked up their muskets and started lobbing lead balls at the Redcoats in the first place?
And this one goes out to all the ladies out there...
Most men are not assholes. Some are. Most male engineers usually don't notice what gender a person is when they're at work. Some do. A few of those try to use positions of power to get a piece of tail out of their underlings.
If you want respect out of a coworker or boss, you have to earn it just like everyone else. You're going to have to prove yourself, regardless of race or gender or creed, etc. It's the flip side of the whole Equal Opportunities thing. If you really want the same opportunities as Joe White-Guy working at the terminal at the end of the cubicle farm, you're gonna have to come down off of your pedestal and get your hands dirty just like him.
And to the sexual harassment? You're a software engineer. This means you can probably get an $80k/yr job just about anywhere these days. Slap your supervisor, tell him to go to hell, report him, then pick up and find a job where that sort of thing isn't tolerated.
(and just to disclaim the above, some women can be assholes, too.)
--t, who should prolly stop foaming at the mouth now
possibly microsoft has no problems with winblowz GUI copies because *they* copied the GUI from macintosh, who copied it from Xerox PARC, who're the ones who got lawsuit-happy in the *first* place.
granted, it's a bit of a stretch to compare the graffiti fiasco with the business practice patents that various companies have taken out, but why must all of these big uberconglomerates decide that, all of a sudden, after all of these years, they suddenly have to protect ideas that they vaguely kinda had?
the problem they have is that they tend to put money into big spliffy complicated things with all sorts of neat buttons, and spurn the simple and intuitively obvious. then to cover up their big gooey "d'oh", they send in the lawyers.
we seem to live in a world where the technologically brilliant are constantly stifled by the charcoal-suited legal elite.
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This style of computer doesn't breed much curiosity in the user, so Open Source is unlikely to interest them.
I beg to differ. The first time i got my hands on a Mac (then a wee Mac Plus in the school computer lab), I looked at it and wondered if I could make it better. And so the adventures with ResEdit began. I've performed many, many OS reinstalls because I changed the wrong bitvalue whilst stupidly hacking about in the active System suitcase.
So people are, in general, interested in that sort of thing. They just need the tools and a basic HOWTO to get started. Give a kid ResEdit, a HOWTO, a Mac, and some free time, and she/he'll be happily fragging away at resource forks instead of drooling stupidly in front of mtv.com.
--soze, the geek chicky over there
*clears throat*
'guanu'.
okay, even i'll admit that was pretty lame. but hey, it's a slow workday, and i'm bored.
To the powerless college student it really doesn't matter what the article actually says, which seems to be a high matter of debate here. What matters is what the idiot luser adninnies will interpret it to mean, which will, in fact, be ban everything except port 80. Some might go so far as to yank the firewall cable right out of the friggin wall. Remember, these are the same guys that decided that linux was a 'hacking tool'.
Telnet is for hackers! FTP can be used to pirate Windows! Good obedient students concerned about getting a good corporate drone job only use the industry standard, Windows, because everyone else does! IT'S ALL PINE'S FAULT!
[rant mode off]
--ze
no, dammit!
you're falling into the same logic hole as all of the 'bad guys'.
the net is great for learning. i read more (of substance, not alt.sex.stories either) daily on the web than i could realistically convince myself to buy on dead trees in a month.
and isn't the restriction of information what we're trying to prevent? if we keep our children from accessing the net, we'll just be more deeply ingraining into society the belief that information should be carefully closeted away from public view.
after all, to a ten year old, girls all have cooties anyway.
i beg to differ.
most, if not all, of my research in high school came off the net, supplying everything from U2 photos from the Cuban Missile Crisis to a proof of a controversial theorem in Relativity. the Net was an incredible resource for me, since my high school was half an hour drive away from my home and my local library just plain sucked rocks.
so children don't need to be banned from the internet. adults need to be banned from being absent from their children's lives. the internet is becoming another glass teat for parents that had children more to keep up with the Joneses than because they were genuinely interested in reproducing. society's gotta change, not us, dammit, because we got it right the first time.
Well, looking at the pic it seems that they're trying to push the iMac form factor without the gooshy candy colors. Remember black=badass when it comes to electronics in most consumers' minds.
i would be amused to see a turf war break out in times square between different flavors of linux...
would make for more interesting graffiti, in any case.
Uhm, no.
Things deteriorate. Satellites that have run out of power eventually fall apart. They're not so much concerned with satellites knocking into each other as *fragments* of satellites hitting, say, the space shuttle and turning the Elbonian envoy to space into Swiss cheese (how's that for a diplomatic incident).
Have you ever seen the damage that space shuttle orbiters have come back sporting after a jaunt around the earth? Specks of dust nearly shattering viewports are not uncommon. Moving at whatever velocity they do (I won't bother pulling a number out of my ass here, but it's an obscene speed), even paint chips can do untold damage.
So space is a dangerous place, and we're not helping. IMO, we need to set up a Celestial Shop-Vac before things like, oh, say, the entire Iridium network, decide to flake out and create more of a hazard for spacefarers.
Seriously, tho, you could get rough numbers on Outlook users from the LoveBug stories I'd wager.
...and get the number of pine users from the smug replies and evil cackling.
this may be a touch OT, but hear me out...
as we've all said by now, market research is the new gold. in a society where information is transforming from commodity into currency itself, it's not surprising that every company wants to know the buying habits of you and your three rabid gibbons.
i've noticed this on several levels. free software using sneaky tactics to get your download/spending habits is only the latest example. the more frightening example, however, is when companies demand to know how many pellets you feed your bunny or they won't support the product warranty.
i noticed this last example with a DOD ice box chorus pedal i bought from a music store. they wanted to know, amongst other things, what magazines i read and if i had 'logged on to the Internet' in the last month. i don't have the registration card in front of me (they didn't even pay for the postage), but the fine print said something akin to "we will not support problems with this pedal blowing up and taking your precious guitar, amp, MIDI system, and the west side of your house with it, if you do not return this card with the entire requested information".
so, what this boils down to, is that companies like DOD will sell you a product at an inflated price, and then expect you to give them information which is worth more than the profit they just made off of the purchase of said product, or they will not be responsible for any defects or otherwise in the product.
i now have an unregistered DOD product. an effects pedal is not worth my information.
--ze
*i* (and many other /.ers) use pine.
slaves.
remember, these virii are only propogated by the widespread use of software that equates to welfare for IT/MSCE's.
--ze, who needs more caffeine to work out the morning crankies
...you would model your own in Pro/E.
actually, the V-ger probes are still running and sending back data.
.gov/flteam/weekly-rpts/current.html for the feb 4 status report on the v-gers.
check out http://vraptor.jpl.nasa
half-assed probes produce half-assed results. the voyager probes pretty much prove that over-engineering a probe pays back a millionfold.
[disclaimer: the following is written by an actual honest-to-god *female*. take it as you will.]
/.'s mean old discussion boards. Ooh, look there, a one and a zero are slapped up against eachother! oh *no*! I THINK THE ELECTRONS ARE TALKING ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK!
In response to all the people 'afraid' of discussion boards, to all the sexual harassment certain hahh-vahhd educated persons receive...
GROW A SPINE ALREADY!
Let's start with the people who're 'afraid' of
The net is rough. Get an asbestos suit. Just because some 3137 hax0r d00d said that you fsck Fluffy, your wife's cat, every night before you turn in, does NOT mean that the net should be screened or filtered at the source. That's censorship. Isn't that one of the reasons those backwater hicks in those overseas British colonies picked up their muskets and started lobbing lead balls at the Redcoats in the first place?
And this one goes out to all the ladies out there...
Most men are not assholes. Some are. Most male engineers usually don't notice what gender a person is when they're at work. Some do. A few of those try to use positions of power to get a piece of tail out of their underlings.
If you want respect out of a coworker or boss, you have to earn it just like everyone else. You're going to have to prove yourself, regardless of race or gender or creed, etc. It's the flip side of the whole Equal Opportunities thing. If you really want the same opportunities as Joe White-Guy working at the terminal at the end of the cubicle farm, you're gonna have to come down off of your pedestal and get your hands dirty just like him.
And to the sexual harassment? You're a software engineer. This means you can probably get an $80k/yr job just about anywhere these days. Slap your supervisor, tell him to go to hell, report him, then pick up and find a job where that sort of thing isn't tolerated.
(and just to disclaim the above, some women can be assholes, too.)
--t, who should prolly stop foaming at the mouth now
well duh, that's why you have to reheat it ;>
What if we'll only be able to buy Microsoft PotPie2000 in the stores? Will there be Apple Macaroni and Cheese?
My question is, how will the Open Source movement respond to this? Perhaps we could get Debian Mashed Potatoes or FreeBSD Uberspicy Chicken Wings.
Do you think Handspring will make modules for this?
--t
Unless they all start posting to Slashdot, I don't think it matters.
uh, too late.
"f!r$+ p0$+!"
..end quote.
--t
So I guess it's *not* the flourescent lighting in my office turning me green.
--t
...was having to see Steve Case smiling at me from the front page of both of my morning papers at ~5am.
--t
possibly microsoft has no problems with winblowz GUI copies because *they* copied the GUI from macintosh, who copied it from Xerox PARC, who're the ones who got lawsuit-happy in the *first* place.
--t
granted, it's a bit of a stretch to compare the graffiti fiasco with the business practice patents that various companies have taken out, but why must all of these big uberconglomerates decide that, all of a sudden, after all of these years, they suddenly have to protect ideas that they vaguely kinda had?
the problem they have is that they tend to put money into big spliffy complicated things with all sorts of neat buttons, and spurn the simple and intuitively obvious. then to cover up their big gooey "d'oh", they send in the lawyers.
we seem to live in a world where the technologically brilliant are constantly stifled by the charcoal-suited legal elite.
*sigh*
--t