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Monkey Cloning. Sort Of.
A whole slew of people have written about the announcement
from scientists that they have "cloned" monkeys. Actually, in yet another case of bad science coverage (See my rant earlier today), they split an early-stage embryo. So, they really made artificial twins, which they then re-implanted into the mother. Still a heckuva a ways away from actually doing any sort of real cloning, IMHO.
I don't know.....this is so lame i wouldn't have even bothered posting the article...i guess this is thier way of telling us to "shut up" uh? *LOL*
Seriously though, has any noticed that the news reports more and more non-news day in and day out? the side effects of 24hr cable news channels maybe? ah well...
The artificial twin case smacks of Huxley. Why aren't more people raising a stink about that issue?
cool. Now all we need is an assembly line doing this sort of shit and we can get that complete works of shakespeare going....
or double the IQ of texas or something...
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Maybe I'm just drunk on car fumes or something, but I did a report on cloning a while back and I swear we've been able to do this for some time. Am I right? Is the only reason you posted this article to make fun of the people that did the original article?
Sometimes American make me afraid !
They even say that "the method is commonly used in animals such as cattle", so I'm not sure why the fact that it's a monkey this time would be all that important.
Maybe what makes people nervous is how close monkeys are to humans; that raises implications. ("This is essentially the method of Brave New World" might be overstating it a little, though.) Otherwise, it's already a common practice.
-- I'll be more enthusiastic about thinking outside the box when there's evidence of thinking going on inside it.
Which in turn shows a measure of my own stupidity. There. I've said it. The rest of y'all can sit it out while I eat the crow. (Mm.. tastes like chicken.) I saw a headline, and thought the article reflected it. Pass the ketchup.
The reason I'm stepping forward is to start this discussion: how can a techie community browbeat the media into reporting with a clue? It's frightening to see how the media mislead the general populace so damn stupidly and see the techie sector utterly unable to do anything about it.
We've just made it out of the Y2K scare, and we're moving on the the usual fare (internet porn, et cetera, et cetera).
It's also sad to see how many scientists and engineers agree with the phrase "I'm not superstitious in general, but I believe reporters are bad luck."
*sigh*
Wow, they cloned monkeys... I'm still waiting to see scientists successfully get a single monkey drunk. Those poor little chimps are restrained from all the fun their human relatives can have.
-FweE-
ha ha ha ha, you said douchebags, that makes me laugh....
It's not cloning by a long shot, but creating identical twins on demand has huge benefits.
For one, you can create a significant population for a 'nature vs. nurture' study.
Two, with an identical genetic baseline, all with a specific genetic defect, you can do comparative studies of different treatments. Since treatment on the genetic level is likely to be affected by the genetics of the individual being treated, a 'same' baseline allows for much more reasonable studies of treatment effectiveness.
Three, again a common genetic foundation in animals engineered to produce a hormone, or grow organs or whatever have you, is going to result in a much more consistent product. And Animal Farm (heh) can essencially be a mass-production assembly line, with little or no variance in the 'components'.
You can tweak a brood of embryos, analyse the yield, terminate those that are not desirable for your needs, and 'twin' the ones that are. No need to repeat the original impregnation and creation of life - since nature will do that for you. You just pick the good 'fruit' and reproduce it on an assembly line.
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Okay, despite the fact that this seemingly trivial article was blown way out of proportion by the word "cloning," I can see where this is newsworthy. I mean, if what the scientists say is true and this is the first time that we have been able to create a genetically identical population of rhesus monkeys, then I could see why the scientific community might be excited. Despite the fact that they can probably only get a limited number of offspring from any given zygote. I see this as news not because of the technical achievement but because of the research that it makes possible...if the same could be done with humans then the whole nature/nurture argument could be closed for good in many instances. Depending on how close these monkeys are, this development could end many of the same arguments.
Invicta{HOG}
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Did anyone notice the remark that they named it "Tetra" meaning "One of four?" Sounds like a borg monkey name.
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I guess since the world didn't end with Y2K, CNN is desperate for anything with a buzzword in it. I'm looking forward to the day when we see something like "Linux inventor combines DNA with well known athlete" and they talk about his daughter. Tabloidism is the order of the day.
Logic ... merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who
In a sense, splitting an embryo IS cloning. In Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", this is exactly what's done (plus some other ethically very questionable things) to produce workers (gammas, deltas and epsilons) while higher caste embryos were left unsplitted.
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See also Wall St chumps lose out to chimp
For an example of a clueless reporter, check out this article in today's NY Times.
I don't know if the reporters are dumb, or the write for dumbies, or both.
I'm sure they'll find a way to tax this.
kwsNI
Alright! All the monkey's we want! Cool!
But I personally don't want a monkey, cloned or otherwise.(What you do in your own home is your own biz) What WOULD be cool is if they would clone part of a chimp (eyes, organs, etc) like was posted here. That would mean vat grown replacement parts for us human-types aren't too far off.
I do not want what YOU haven't got.
Just wait till some crappy band steals your nic.
This is yet another case of the liberals trying to usurp God's role, and failing pathetically. It's only natural that a group of borderline-psychopathic thugs and killers would get their epistemology so wrong as to conclude that they are the creators of the universe. They have utterly failed to check their premises, and the results are obvious. Only God can make a monkey, and only the triumph of Ego in a Free Market can create lead to scientific work. The reason for this is that the dynamics of the Free Market force businesses to concentrate all their efforts on short-term improvements in shareholder value. This is known as "fiduciary responsibility". The excercise of this responsibility prevents scientists from wasting their time and funding on blue-sky garbage and pseudoscience like so-called "evolutionary" biology, and indeed most other forms of biology as well. Astronomy and high-energy physics are two more pseudoscientific jokes which will only everbe funded by a socialist system. The number of "astronomers" and high-energy physicists running around loose in any given nation is an absolutely reliable indicator of the number of death squads they have. The two are inseparable. Both are inevitable results of a socialist system. Free scientists are prevented from squandering their energies on star-gazing and the like, but enslaved scientists can waste their time any way they like, even on things which show little promise of profit in the near future. It's disgusting, and it's only one aspect of the socialist octopus which entangles our world in these benighted times.
My logic is meretricious and my conclusions are indisputably indefensible. My facts stand on firm epistemological ground. You may draw different conclusions if you like, but only if you are insane. You may dispute my facts, but only if you are deluded. If you are rational and in touch with reality to any measurable extent, you will agree with me.
Wait a minute here! The article talks about monkeys, true, but how far is this really from the process of cloning humans? Sure, we'll split an early embryo now and freeze half. That way, later in life when the poor schmuck drinks himself half to death, we can bring the other half to term (splitting it again, of course) and give the guy a new liver.
I'm certainly no right-to-life advocate, but once an embryo comes to term I don't think anyone would argue that it's now a living being.
I'm rambling, of course. The implications of something like this are just too frightening to imagine.
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Before all this talk about "cloning" in the media, "clones" used to mean identical copies. The monkeys in the CNN article will indeed have identical DNA, so they will de facto be clones of each other. Sure, we could also call this identical twins but why this rant?
People reading scientific papers are, just like everyone else impressed by buzzwords (like cloning). Like it or not. But they obviously do it to get attention. I see no reson to rant when someone actually uses a buzzword in with the original meaning. Sort of like replacing "going to the movies" with "having a multimedia experience" :-)
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Clones are twins. And twins are clones. I understand that you'll reserve the term "clone" until I can take a clipping from your fingernails and grow a Hemos Mark II inside a bubbling vat, but in my opinion it's pretty important not to make this false clone/twin distinction.
:-) then we know what will result. We've all read the sci-fi: sex slaves, war drones, and second class status.
The reason is that, if we continue to think of a clone as different from a twin in some vague, undefinable way, then we are sure to treat clones as less than human if ever the technology becomes widespread.
People are often arrogant about the things they create. If we allow ourselves to be deceived in considering clones "our creatures" rather than as human twins achieved at a rather late date
Yes it would be stupid! Surely the origin of a genetic duplicate is irrelevant when determing the intrinsic worth or rights of the duplicate. But somehow I fear that logic wouldn't play a very large role in the decision.
We have a chance to forstall all this if we try to change our thinking now, before clones are walking down the street alongside us.
Clones = Twins
Twins = Clones
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Yes! We are all individuals! I'm not!
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Yes! We are all individuals! I'm not!
Too many reporters and media companies are not just clueless, but they don't care.
It's going to take a bit more.
Unless you can convince me with one heck of a good reason why this is a Good Thing.
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My cell biology text says that a clone is "a population of organisms derived from a single ancestor and therefore homogeneous." Which is to say, a population in which all individuals have no genetic difference.
Cloning doesn't require that the original cells not be eggs. It is certainly true that the achievement is minor, since it imitates normal biological events that occur when producing identical twins.
What made Dolly neat was that they made a clone from a cell that had differentiated and was therefore in theory incapable of producing anything other than udder cells. Dolly is no more or less a clone than this monkey, and I bet that more monkeys survive this kind of cloning than would if they cloned skin cells.
Since so many monkeys are endangered, it isn't surprising that they want to be able to clone them, and this is cheaper and easier than what they did for Dolly.
I value monkeys and wildlife, I really do... but if those people spent half the energy they do trying to improve the human condition, maybe there wouldn't be any need for primate research... or maybe they could do it more humanely.
Just a few thoughts. You know, the funny thing is, that here in Beaverton the primate research center isn't even given a second thought... all of the attention comes from elsewhere.
I also think it's quite weird... just down the street from all the protesters are a bunch of restaurants, serving ground beef and chicken and stuff from lots of dead animals... I'm no vegetarian but I really think it's hypocritical to eat meat if yer going to protest primate experiments.
Thought my geography could give a little perspective there... now back to your regularly scheduled trolling...
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Yes, this has nothing to do with the cloning techniqe used to clone dolly, but I do really think that we have been able to do what was described for a long time, longer then we could clone sheep as well.
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I believe it, no problems. And Cloned Monkeys may fly out of my butt. What does hurled, cloned monkey crap smell like, anyway? So whaddya eventually get when you set an infinite number of monkeys banging away at typewriters? The photocopied works of Shakespeare? I'm guessing that Monkeys are closer to some other worthless mammal which are 'impossible' to clone because they're too complex... Any clues? Old news, apparently.
Yes! This is great! We are one step closer to genetically engineering a race of super-monkeys to serve us. No longer will the disabled be the only ones to get cute little monkeys to do all their daily chores for them. Just think, monkeys smart enough to serve us in ways they are incapable of now, but not smart enough to rise up against us. I can't wait until the day when I come home from work and there are monkeys mowing the lawn, cooking dinner, etc. God bless the US of A!
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Does this strike anyone else as a waste of time?? Just about every civilized country is going to outlaw human cloning of any kind, including putting human genes in some other creature to provide implants/replacements. So why are researchers dumping all this money into it? how bout figuring how to cure cancer, huh?
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On Cloning:
Science is an evolutionary thing. Every step has to be proceeded by the step before. Consider this oversimplified example: In order to put your computer on your desk, two major lines of scientific research had to be done. First, we had to really understand how electricity worked(not just discover its existence)Thank you Nicola Tesla. Second, we had to discover how to actually make a computer, which we can thank many people, but the one that comes to mind right now is Madam Currie. THEN we had to figure out how to make the two sciences compatible.
My point is these are all baby steps getting the scientists closer to the end goal, actual cloning.
On Media:
The media is very much like a snake with its head cut off. It lashes out at anything it senses, and has no concept of what it is doing.
Take for instance the story ran just yesterday about DeCSS and its "piracy" software, versus the "Good Guys," the DVD industry. CNN makes me wretch. By the way, the hearing is tomorrow(today, my time.) Big turnout, please! Nothing would make me happier than Open Source supporters standing in the streets because the entire courthouse was chock full. Anyone who can, go support the cause.
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Unless they have at least four asses, they're useless...
(sorry, couldn't resist)
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This makes two articles now over a short time frame that were slammed as bogus right in the headline... yet were posted anyway. Are we having a bad day here or something?
"In 1993 Dr. Jerry Hall said he had cloned human embryos by splitting them, although he said the clones were destroyed."
He destroyed the clones?? At what point in the lifecycle, I wonder. It seems to me this would have been a huge deal-even if the clones weren't born yet. The pro-lifers would have had a cow. So how come I've never heard of it? They mentioned it so casually here.
Lisa
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to break the embryos of five-assed monkeys. That will be the obvious next step in all of this, two monkeys sharing ten asses...
I don't think I've ever seen such a jarring example of pathetically rehashed buzzwords, and random facts thrown together in a less coherent manner.
You managed to type 288 (unformatted) words and say nothing."Technology advances at an exponential rate, morality advances at a linear rate" What the hell does that mean? how can you mesure morality quantitatively?
that we dont get silly people in congress saying censor the internet or down with violent video games.
Come again? that made no sense whatsoever. What does cloning have to do with video games? nothing you said nothing at all.
I'm sorry to flame you like this, but presudo-intellectualism has always bothered me. If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything at all?
At least Jon Katz has some point.
I know, I know a lot of people don't like my posts ether, but at least I always try to say something even if its not that articulate.
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how can a techie community browbeat the media into reporting with a clue?
I don't know that we can browbeat them. Most of the paranoia on the part of the public about science is due to the fact that our education systems produce a mandarin-like elite which even within itself contains specialized disciplines that are separated by vast gulfs of ignorance from each other. What we're looking at is a democratic defecit that is created by not educating everyone from birth onwards. Not enough attention is paid to kindergarten and primary schools and the early formative period of children's life. Hell - not enough attention is paid to them in childhood and adolesence. Our society has low expectations of its citizens and indeed for the upper-classes this ignorance is necessary to keep the peasants toiling away for them. We're caught in the contradiction of a non-democratic operational structure underlying a democratic constitution. Education requires resources, requires that the money comes from somewhere - taxes anyone? Who's first?
You're that same troll who was ranting over on that thread about Holland, MI, huh? Your writing style is remarkable similar, paranoid delusional, with just a touch of insanity.
For the sake of all that's good and *cough*holy*cough* I hope you're just trolling.
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I am going to take a stand on this. I am will to help fund the cloneing of supper models right now. I think we can make differance.
Unless you can convince me with one heck of a good reason why this is a Bad Thing.
All the ranting and raving about "weirdness" and "all those Sci-Fi books" is never going to convince me that splitting a Monkey embryo is a bad thing. We've been doing this for years, even on human egg cells. Its nothing new.
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"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true."
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This form of cloning reminds me of the type they used the Huxley's Brave New World: An embryo (that would then become the lowest-ranking caste members of that society) were bred in tubes from a single initial embryo, then split into 64. Just one more premonition Huxley had about the future....
Actually, researchers generally do a really good job of making things humane. There are a few that do not, but I think most researches would try and keep their animals from going to the places which are nasty. The point being if those protestors could just go to the researchers nicely and get commitments that the animals will only be sent to places with good conditions when theywere done with them, i.e. a black list of bad orginisations would be far more effective then those protesting loons could ever dream of being.
The protests are especially silly when you realize that the beef industry is probable far more crule then any primate researcher. Who knows maybe all those protestors are vegans.
Jeff
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
The next thing you know the media will say that monkeys have taken over the capital, and are ruling us humans. Oh wait... they already have
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But the article was right! Maybe unintentionally, but right all the same.
The geek readership here have read so much about current cloning practises that many of the non-Biologists among us have wrongly assumed that "cloning"=="nuclear substitution". That assumption is false. In Biology, a "clone" simply means a group of genetically identical siblings. So any viable offspring resulting from a single embryo count as a "clone". This includes natural-born human monozygotic twins, parthenogenetically created batch of greenfly larvae from the same mother, and monkeys grown from the same dissected embryo in a lab experiment.
All the ranting about bad journalism is not in fact justified on this occasion - and you shouldn't be eating your words.
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Thought exists only as an abstraction
Earlier this month the New York Times (it's not online anymore) and the Washington Post reported that researchers in Connecticut and Japan cloned six calves from skin cells taken from the ear of a bull and stored for months in the lab. A long ways away from cloning?! The interesting points are that they used skin cells, from a male, and stored them for a long period of time.
The story behind xbill might become reality. Let's see: Bill steps down as CEO and starts his new project to clone himself into millions of litle men...
Is that like lunch models??
Trollmastah
There are several steps to go before this technology can be truly useful
Here is what I would do if I were in charge of the program :
This only provides the raw material though - sort of like a hard disk factory that pumps out 20 GB drives at a rate of 100 per hour.
What we need to research is the ability to create clones that retain a pre-programmed memory. This way, we can run off a batch of clones that make up a ship's crew - Commander, Engineer, Navigator, Comms Officer, etc. The crew would have a useful lifespan, for operating the ship whilst the next batch of clones was growing in the tank.
On graduation day, when the next batch of clones matures to age 21, and the generation following them are confirmed to have passed their initial tests, the older redundant crew perform 'The Graduation Ceremony' :
This effectively solves the very-long-space-flight problem.
Well... okay, maybe I just broke it in 2.
yum yum clone a clone
clone a cone monkeys
i love clone a clone
clone a clone monkeys
There's always one of me just-a hangin' arou-hound.
Animals fall into two broad classes, deuterostomes and protostomes. For protostomes, the mouth forms before the anus. Starfish, jellyfish and insects and protostomes. In deuterostome development, the anus forms first. Vertebrates are among the deuterostomes. The early cleavage of protostomes is spiral. For deuterostomes, it is radial.
If one removes cells from a protostome blastula after the first few divisions, a deformed, partial organism will develop. Cell differentiation starts early. Deuterostomes differentiate later. An animal can develop normally after removing a few cells from a blastula even after the first few divisions.
Once cells begin differentiating, it is hard to clone them. Dolly was such a feat because the managed to reset that cell differentiation clock removing the DNA from a zygote, putting in the parent's DNA and doing some chemical magic.
This feat was accomplished with a mouse a long time ago. I saw it on Nova. Those researchers also fused two separate, very tiny embryos. One embryo was from a line of white mice; the other from a line of black mice. They got a mouse with patches of both colors.
Splitting a tiny embryo to make several embryos is an accomplishment. The work is difficult and delicate. Even though cell differentiation begins later in deuterostomes, I imagine it is still challenging to get the cells to survive and then to grow normally.
Cloning usually means making a genetically identical copy. It comes from the Greek word for twig in reference to the horticultural practice of cutting and grafting small twigs to make clones. Most pecan trees in the USA actually have the roots of another species. Pecan trees do not have sturdy roots. Grafting them onto strong roots solves that problem. These scientists, however, did not make copies of an adult. They cannibalized an embryo. Cloning is still good enough, I think.
Twins and clones are not necessarily the same. Mitochondria have their own (small) genome, and mitochondria are inherited soley from your mother (via the egg cell from whence you sprang). So twins will share the same genome and the same mitochondria; clones could have different mitochondria if different host mothers are used.
This difference would normally be insignificant, but there are some diseases that are inherited via the mitochondria.
Jesus! I slave over a hot keyboard, trolling my fingers to the bone, and this is the thanks I get! What a rotten world we live in.
It hurts, you know that? It really hurts.
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My monkey did not taste like chicken, so I spanked it.
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a few friends and I were commenting on the whole thing, and in the witty sarcastic manner that we all seem to enjoy, this sort of came out: Monkeys for nothing Now look at them chromo's, that's the way you dupe it You play the doctor on the chimpanzee That ain't workin', that's the way you dupe it Monkeys for nothing and chimps for free Now that ain't workin', that's the way you dupe it Lemme tell ya them guys aint dumb Maybe get a blister on your little finger Maybe get a blister on your thumb We gotta install microstrain cousins Custom bitchin' deliveries We gotta move these green blue hairs We gotta move these color free teeth See the little maggot with the hearing and the grey pup Yeah buddy that's his own hair That little maggot got his own leg heir fame That little maggots mades some millionaires We gotta install microstrain cousins Customs bitchin' deliveries We gotta move these green blue hairs We gotta move these color free teeth I shoulda learned to play the doctor I shoulda learned to play with 'somes Look at that rna, she got it stickin' in the camera Man we could have some fun And he's up there, what's that? Blue stained photos? Bangin' on the mongos like their chimpanzees That ain't workin' that's the way you dupe it Get your monkies for nothin' get your chimps for free We install microstrain cousins Custom bitchin' deliveries We gotta move these green blue hairs We gotta move these color free teeth, Lord Now that ain't workin' that's the way you dupe it You play the doctor on the chimpanzee That ain't workin' that's the way you dupe it Monkies for nothin' and your chimps for free Monkies for nothin' and chimps for free (note: parody of Dire Straits "Money For Nothing" on the "love over gold" album. No offense meant, if any was taken.)
Flamebait? All right, it could have been written more nicely. But the point still remains: if you don't have a clue about something, then don't go around bashing it. I'm referring to the "microbes from Mars"-story and this one.
Hey, it's okay to bash it if you've got facts. But if you don't understand the basic concepts behind the issue then please shut up instead of saying "this is bad science" or "this is not cloning, a clone needs to be done with a sizzling transporter ray gone haywire".
It just pisses me off beyond belief when people say this and that is bogus when they in actuality don't even understand the basics of the subject!
Did anyone here Leno's comment last night?
It was something like this:
"It's the greatest breakthrough in cloning since The Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync..."
As it was mentioned by other /.ers here, this is real cloning, because cloning, in generally, means "getting something genetically identical". In especially, in molecular biology you often say about "cloning a gene", which has less in common with getting a dozen of Einsteins out of a bunch of Einsteins' hair.
The goal of the study was twofold. First, it is the first time a nonhuman primate clone was obtained. Second, the idea is of making a large scale experiment to look for possible abnormalities and/or distortions of resulting clones, as well as differences among them.
Another question was, at what stage of development is it safe to do the embryo splitting, e.g. is it possible to get a 32 cell embryo and divide it into 32 single cells, each resulting in a viable embryo?
The authors did not answer all the question fully, they rather prepared the ground for research yet to come. There are a lot of things to test, the goal not being necessarly cloning of humans (or even monkeys) itself, but rather basic research on development of primates and establishing cultures of embryonic cells (which are, as you know, very useful, because they are able to develope into any mature cell of a given organism).
Of course, getting genetically identical monkeys for drug research is also an issue, although I personally consider research on monkeys very questionable. Chimpansees are much more close to humans then most of the people think - if you haven't read any of Jane Goddals books on chimpansees, do not answer to this point of my reply. What I want to say is that I consider it to be more human to do the phase I drug research on human volunteers, yes, or even humans which are forced to do so - but are conscious of what is happening to them. Doing experiments on chimpansees is something like doing research on children for me.
Regards,
j.
If it was possible to clone a sheep,it was also possible to clone human.System of reproduction is very similar,in fact almost identical (as of higher species). It just about that scientists didn't want people to to get frightened.
clone: A term which is applied to genes, cells, or entire organisms which are derived from - and are genetically identical to - a single common ancestor gene, cell, or organism, respectively. Cloning of genes and cells to create many copies in the laboratory is a common procedure essential for biomedical research. Note that several processes which are commonly described as cell "cloning" give rise to cells which are almost but not completely genetically identical to the ancestor cell. "Cloning" of organisms from embryonic cells occurs naturally in nature (e.g. with the occurrence of identical twins). The laboratory cloning of a sheep using the genetic material from a cell of an adult animal has recently been reported.
cloning: the process of producing a genetically identical copy - or clone.
twinning: Two offspring developing with the same maternal parent and born at the same time. Twins can develop from the same zygote (monozygotic or "identical twins") or from separate zygotes (dizygotic or "fraternal twins"). Identical twins share the same genetic heritage whereas fraternal twins are no more or less related than are siblings born at different times.
identical twin: Twins which have been produced by the division of a single zygote (monozygotic). Each twin has an identical genotype. While each twin begins with the same set of genetic information, the effect of the environment within which each individual grows up can cause differences in how their genetic make-up is expressed.
No wonder people disagree so much on so many subjects when they don't agree on their terminology and don't tolerate the views of others! Twins from more than one eggcell is certainly not clones, while identical twins are usually called "clones" in the media when coming from laboratories. Wether they are truly clones or whatever they are is up to whoever judges them. Whatever reason they have for judging their neighbours. Also, wether a technical cloning has actually been perfomed remains a technical issue in each case. For the rest of us it's just words. I prefer to call them humans, or by their name if I get to know them.
Human Identical Twins are still human.
Human clones are still human.
No Less.
Not bad from someone from Microsoft though. I guess you're human too *sigh*.
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2 Natalie Portman's nude and petrfied. What a huge acomplishment!! Hot Grits for everyone.
it's not even creating twins
the other three died before birth
Well you just couldn't do that could you....
It's a Bad Thing because it is horrific. Plain and simple.
What is the intended use of thse experiments? I still need persuading.
My guesses :
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I disagree. In this case, the reporting was using a word from the biologist's field in place of an appropriate description for the lay person.
Clone does not mean twin, triplet, quadruplet, or otherwise to the ordinary person of this world. In fact, to call a twin a clone is patently offensive -- it's an insult.
The reporting was done, ostensibly, with the word clone because clone/cloning sells. It's a sensationalization of the events which took place that culls viewer's interest and increases newspaper's sales.
Yes, I want to hear about cloning. But this is not it.