Re:What is all your guy's problem?
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RFC for Spammers
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"You get tons of junk mail via the postal service, we dont see laws being passed about that do we? "
Yes there are - you can contact the direct marketing association and be put on a remove list. Do this and contact the 3 credit bureaus, and 99% of your home junk mail is gone. I haven't seen a credit card offer in over a year. Anyone who refuses to stop sending, fill out a form 1500 and no more mail (it becomes a crime to send any further mail)
"Spam legistlation is absolutely BS, their is no legal basis for saying someone cant mass email their advertising to millions of people. "
Yes there is - freedom of commercial speech does not allow the speaker to FORCE others to listen. Even deleting the offending message, which has FORCED its way to my inbox, violates this.
"Here's Douglas, discussing the Supreme Court's First Amendment (not the old-fashioned one on paper, an archaic irrelevancy), and concurring with the majority:
In asking us to force the system to accept his message as a vindication of his constitutional rights, the petitioner overlooks the constitutional rights of the commuters. While petitioner clearly has a right to express his views to those who wish to listen, he has no right to force his message upon an audience incapable of declining to receive it. In my view the right of the commuters to be free from forced intrusions on their privacy precludes the city from transforming its vehicles of public transportation into forums for the dissemination of ideas upon this captive audience. [50]"
The above cut and pasted from: http://www.krusch.com/real/supreme.html
Now to paraphrase:
While spammer clearly has a right to e-mail his ads to those who wish to read them, he has no right to force his message upon an audience incapable of declining to receive it, or not wishing to receive it.
Can it be made any clearer? You can NOT force me to listen to your message if I don't want to hear it. If you insist, I have the right to take action against you.
Commercial speech is not entirely protected. One of the Supreme Court justices (I'm too lazy to look up which right now) wrote a decision (on telemarketing, I beleive) that stated that while anyone has the right to free speech, they DO NOT have the right to force others to listen to it. That is the case with spam. The firm may have a right to advertise, they do NOT have the right to force me to receive their ads, nor to make me pay to receive them.
That doesn't stop the junk fax. I get at least 1/week on an unlisted #. Many try to hide by selling ads for non-profits. The Center for Missing and Exploited Children is a fax spammer. Their service is supplied by Fax.com. I find it disgusting that a legitimate non profit that does genuinely good work would stoop to such a low level to raise revenue.
Spammers cost money by the resources they consume. The really stupid ones are even worse. One spammer even has virui attached to their spam. Tell me that isn't harmful. Taking my bandwidth, time, and resources costs me. When I visit a web site, some of the bandwidth I don't pay for, but the advertisers etc do. They pay the website to get their ad in front of me (what the filters don't catch). The spammer takes, and doesn't allow me a choice. If thats your legit email, you will soon find yourself deluged in spam as your email address is harvested.
As for the shower issue, no you don't have the right to force the other person to shower, but you DO have the right to not associate with them. They don't have the right to follow you around and force you to put up with them.
Not entirely. You can call 800-555-1212 and find out the reseller who owns the 800 number, and get the contact info for that reseller. You can then advise the reseller about the illegal activities of their customer and ask where to send the subpoena to obtain full customer information. This will rattle them and you will have as much info as you can get until you proceed with court action.
You can also try http://www.555-1212.com, but most times spammers aren't listed 800 numbers. Maybe we need a regulation/law requiring legit contact info for 800 owners, not unlike what is "supposed" to be done for web pages.
Also, perhaps a web page that lists and identifies these vermin? I can contribute a couple when I find the paperwork, including http://www.fax.com - a fax spammer. They were very upset when I finally tracked them down and identified them.
This is a military project that should have died years ago. Politicians want this bird more than the pentagon does. It is build in important political districts, not by accident, so that it can't be killed easily by congress.
The solution is to require every member of congress that supports this fuster-cluck to use one exclusively for all air transport, both for him/her self and their family. How many of those vermin will risk their own families to keep some worthless, unsafe pork barrel project going? And the ones that do will help clean out the gene pool when the next one crashes.
There are better ways to accomplish the same mission the osprey does. Its time to utilize them instead. To paraphrase another/.ers sig, just because the osprey is a possible solution doesn't mean it must be the one used.
end of rant/tirade against corrupt pols (oops - redundant phrase)
"UUnet is another matter. They clearly know exaclty what they're doing and don't care because they're making money. Something must be done, but I'd still prefer that the internet community somehow solve this problem without getting governments involved. "
Here is how to stop uu.net:
forward EVERY piece of uu.net originated spam to sales@uu.net, info@uu.net
I have irritated the sales scum to the point they have told their pink contracts to remove my email. I used to get 7 spams a day - now its less than one a week.
By the way, Vice President Clint Smith of uu.net is responsible for the pro spam stance according to spamhaus.org
If i can confirm his email, i know what i'll use for all those free reg sites!
I don't have the quote handy, but Chief Justice Renquist said something to the effect that while freedom of speech allows someone to say something, they do not have the right to force you to listen to it.
If spam was forced to have legit addresses and forced to honor removal requests, then the other laws wouldn't be necessary.
Yes there are laws against junk mail - tell them to stop sending and they have to. If they don't go fill out form 1500 at the post office - that will end it.
I wrote the DMA and 3 credit bureaus, and guess what - the only junk mail i get now is the weekly grocery store flyer.
yes, but the kiddie pix traders may not live out their terms, and they will certainly have lots of new boyfriends. (One of my high school football coaches (volunteer) had a full time job at as a head of security at a major prison - the guards don't see much or hear much when pedofiles get gang raped in the shower.
And to answer your question, no 9 years is not excessive. It needs to be enough deterent to stop the existing volume of spam, before it completely cripples the system.
As long as you understand the theory of the equastion, I feel the calculator is fine. Assuming you continue with a math/science background, you will find that understanding the concepts behind the formula useful. You will ask yourself the same thing going through calculus and transform analysis. Cool stuff, but understanding the idea is the most important part. Even if you forget the actual formulae, if you have learned the concepts, it will be much easier to relearn/remember the formulae.
Sorry, kind of verbose but hope it helps. Good luck.
RCN is what is known as an overbuilder. Others include WINFirst, maybe cablevision? What happened in Philly may attact the attention of the FCC - they are pushing to get overbuilders in. There will soon be some competion, but expect to see it in large, highly profitable markets. The threat of an overbuilder here in San Jose has forced AT&T to upgrade the existing cable infrastructure - that isn't going to help given that I get more channels and better service from Dish, for $15 a month less. AT&T here bought out TCI, and managed to make the service even worse. I really feel sorry for those who used to have Media One, and more so for the Media One employees - talk about getting shafted!
There are some new technologies on the horizon that should make cable even more profitable, and attract more overbuilders. Video on Demand (VOD), interactive TV (quite popular in europe now), and other services could generate enough revenue to encourage competition - if you make the pot too attractive, more and more companies are going to want a piece of it. If the existing cable companies try to block the entrace of competitors, they become monopolies abusing their power, and open up their firms to anti-trust laws - very expensive give the treble damages clauses and such.
"They" did NOT force the power companies to spin off... The "deregulation" bill was the bill the power companies wanted - they got the exact bill they paid their congresscritters to write. That fixed rate was 50% higher than what anyone else was paying at the time. Profits were huge until this year.
As for me, I'm sticking solar panels on the roof this year - at least i'll be able to surf, compute, and watch tv when the grid breaks again.
Just to make an ontopic comment - too much for those flat panels - i'll stick with the 17's for now...
Its much worse. If you aren't mormon, your kids WILL be excluded from many extra-curricular activities. No cheerleading, no leadership positions, etc. I lived in a moron community for 5 years as a child, and it sucked! I would NEVER subject my own (future) children to that kind of abuse, nor want to live among people so narrow minded that they peep through keyholes with both eyes.
(I know that the religion isn't all bad, ie no mormons on welfare, but it still has too many other negatives)
Too bad he isn't expending his efforts on spammers. Would ANYONE here be complaining if he were going after spammers like this?
That doesn't mean i agree with the guy, his methods are certainly questionable, just that there is definaltely a double standard here (listening for the sound of jaws dropping in shock).
I do agree though - he should be treated like a lawyer - see sig.
HD is already compressed. It is broadcast at about 19.2 Mb/s. Raw HD, uncompressed for editing etc, chews up 1.5Gb/s. Various intermediate levels apply for internal (non broadcasted) signals, includin 270m/bit and a few others (sorry didn't memorize them). Firewire should be able to handle this easily. You probably want a scsi system, and ideally raid as well.
I saw some video on cnn - no pic on their site. The students cheated - it was the body shell of a vw bug, not the whole thing: no chassis, no engine, no wheels, etc. Come on, they aren't that heavy. 3 or 4 strong people can pick one up easily, and with as many as they had, it should have been easy
Several years ago, AAA did a study on the causes of accidents. Speed does NOT cause accidents. Higher speeds merely increase the severity of a accident when it happens. The cause of accidents is differentials in speed. 9 cars travelling at 80 mph and 1 at 55 mph, the slow car is going to cause the accident. Reverse it, 9@55 and 1@80, and the fast car will cause the accident. This came out at about the same time as the raising of the speed limit on interstates in CA from 65 to 70. Needless to say, the insurance industry quickly buried the study...
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"You get tons of junk mail via the postal service, we dont see laws being passed about that do we? "
Yes there are - you can contact the direct marketing association and be put on a remove list. Do this and contact the 3 credit bureaus, and 99% of your home junk mail is gone. I haven't seen a credit card offer in over a year. Anyone who refuses to stop sending, fill out a form 1500 and no more mail (it becomes a crime to send any further mail)
"Spam legistlation is absolutely BS, their is no legal basis for saying someone cant mass email their advertising to millions of people. "
Yes there is - freedom of commercial speech does not allow the speaker to FORCE others to listen. Even deleting the offending message, which has FORCED its way to my inbox, violates this.
If a tv transmitter can have a water/antifreeze based cooling system moving around in a 30kV environment, whats the worry with 120/240?
"Here's Douglas, discussing the Supreme Court's First Amendment (not the old-fashioned one on paper, an archaic irrelevancy), and concurring with the majority:
In asking us to force the system to accept his message as a vindication of his constitutional rights, the petitioner overlooks the constitutional rights of the commuters. While petitioner clearly has a right to express his views to those who wish to listen, he has no right to force his message upon an audience incapable of declining to receive it. In my view the right of the commuters to be free from forced intrusions on their privacy precludes the city from transforming its vehicles of public transportation into forums for the dissemination of ideas upon this captive audience. [50]"
The above cut and pasted from: http://www.krusch.com/real/supreme.html
Now to paraphrase:
While spammer clearly has a right to e-mail his ads to those who wish to read them, he has no right to force his message upon an audience incapable of declining to receive it, or not wishing to receive it.
Can it be made any clearer? You can NOT force me to listen to your message if I don't want to hear it. If you insist, I have the right to take action against you.
Commercial speech is not entirely protected. One of the Supreme Court justices (I'm too lazy to look up which right now) wrote a decision (on telemarketing, I beleive) that stated that while anyone has the right to free speech, they DO NOT have the right to force others to listen to it. That is the case with spam. The firm may have a right to advertise, they do NOT have the right to force me to receive their ads, nor to make me pay to receive them.
That doesn't stop the junk fax. I get at least 1/week on an unlisted #. Many try to hide by selling ads for non-profits. The Center for Missing and Exploited Children is a fax spammer. Their service is supplied by Fax.com. I find it disgusting that a legitimate non profit that does genuinely good work would stoop to such a low level to raise revenue.
Spammers cost money by the resources they consume. The really stupid ones are even worse. One spammer even has virui attached to their spam. Tell me that isn't harmful. Taking my bandwidth, time, and resources costs me. When I visit a web site, some of the bandwidth I don't pay for, but the advertisers etc do. They pay the website to get their ad in front of me (what the filters don't catch). The spammer takes, and doesn't allow me a choice. If thats your legit email, you will soon find yourself deluged in spam as your email address is harvested.
As for the shower issue, no you don't have the right to force the other person to shower, but you DO have the right to not associate with them. They don't have the right to follow you around and force you to put up with them.
unless the company knowingly allows spammers to use their service - see UU.net
Not entirely. You can call 800-555-1212 and find out the reseller who owns the 800 number, and get the contact info for that reseller. You can then advise the reseller about the illegal activities of their customer and ask where to send the subpoena to obtain full customer information. This will rattle them and you will have as much info as you can get until you proceed with court action.
You can also try http://www.555-1212.com, but most times spammers aren't listed 800 numbers. Maybe we need a regulation/law requiring legit contact info for 800 owners, not unlike what is "supposed" to be done for web pages.
Also, perhaps a web page that lists and identifies these vermin? I can contribute a couple when I find the paperwork, including http://www.fax.com - a fax spammer. They were very upset when I finally tracked them down and identified them.
good luck
**CueHack then informs me that someone in the white house has page viewed the goatse.cx site over 100 times**
Yup - every time he looks in the mirror...
Thats why I forward my spam to sales@uu.net and info@uu.net
Spam has dropped from 7/day 1/3weeks now - the sales staff hate it and make their pink contracts remove me from their lists.
Next up - Gridnet.net
This is a military project that should have died years ago. Politicians want this bird more than the pentagon does. It is build in important political districts, not by accident, so that it can't be killed easily by congress.
/.ers sig, just because the osprey is a possible solution doesn't mean it must be the one used.
The solution is to require every member of congress that supports this fuster-cluck to use one exclusively for all air transport, both for him/her self and their family. How many of those vermin will risk their own families to keep some worthless, unsafe pork barrel project going? And the ones that do will help clean out the gene pool when the next one crashes.
There are better ways to accomplish the same mission the osprey does. Its time to utilize them instead. To paraphrase another
end of rant/tirade against corrupt pols (oops - redundant phrase)
I used to have shiny stuff - til my ferrets stole it all...
"UUnet is another matter. They clearly know exaclty what they're doing and don't care because they're making money. Something must be done, but I'd still prefer that the internet community somehow solve this problem without getting governments involved. "
Here is how to stop uu.net:
forward EVERY piece of uu.net originated spam to sales@uu.net, info@uu.net
I have irritated the sales scum to the point they have told their pink contracts to remove my email. I used to get 7 spams a day - now its less than one a week.
By the way, Vice President Clint Smith of uu.net is responsible for the pro spam stance according to spamhaus.org
If i can confirm his email, i know what i'll use for all those free reg sites!
I don't have the quote handy, but Chief Justice Renquist said something to the effect that while freedom of speech allows someone to say something, they do not have the right to force you to listen to it.
If spam was forced to have legit addresses and forced to honor removal requests, then the other laws wouldn't be necessary.
Yes there are laws against junk mail - tell them to stop sending and they have to. If they don't go fill out form 1500 at the post office - that will end it.
I wrote the DMA and 3 credit bureaus, and guess what - the only junk mail i get now is the weekly grocery store flyer.
yes, but the kiddie pix traders may not live out their terms, and they will certainly have lots of new boyfriends. (One of my high school football coaches (volunteer) had a full time job at as a head of security at a major prison - the guards don't see much or hear much when pedofiles get gang raped in the shower.
And to answer your question, no 9 years is not excessive. It needs to be enough deterent to stop the existing volume of spam, before it completely cripples the system.
As long as you understand the theory of the equastion, I feel the calculator is fine. Assuming you continue with a math/science background, you will find that understanding the concepts behind the formula useful. You will ask yourself the same thing going through calculus and transform analysis. Cool stuff, but understanding the idea is the most important part. Even if you forget the actual formulae, if you have learned the concepts, it will be much easier to relearn/remember the formulae.
Sorry, kind of verbose but hope it helps. Good luck.
"I'm not suggesting a moral equivalency betwen the Nazis and the corporations in the Online Privacy Alliance."
Of course not - that would be grossly unfair to the Nazis.
RCN is what is known as an overbuilder. Others include WINFirst, maybe cablevision? What happened in Philly may attact the attention of the FCC - they are pushing to get overbuilders in. There will soon be some competion, but expect to see it in large, highly profitable markets. The threat of an overbuilder here in San Jose has forced AT&T to upgrade the existing cable infrastructure - that isn't going to help given that I get more channels and better service from Dish, for $15 a month less. AT&T here bought out TCI, and managed to make the service even worse. I really feel sorry for those who used to have Media One, and more so for the Media One employees - talk about getting shafted!
There are some new technologies on the horizon that should make cable even more profitable, and attract more overbuilders. Video on Demand (VOD), interactive TV (quite popular in europe now), and other services could generate enough revenue to encourage competition - if you make the pot too attractive, more and more companies are going to want a piece of it. If the existing cable companies try to block the entrace of competitors, they become monopolies abusing their power, and open up their firms to anti-trust laws - very expensive give the treble damages clauses and such.
"They" did NOT force the power companies to spin off... The "deregulation" bill was the bill the power companies wanted - they got the exact bill they paid their congresscritters to write. That fixed rate was 50% higher than what anyone else was paying at the time. Profits were huge until this year.
As for me, I'm sticking solar panels on the roof this year - at least i'll be able to surf, compute, and watch tv when the grid breaks again.
Just to make an ontopic comment - too much for those flat panels - i'll stick with the 17's for now...
Its much worse. If you aren't mormon, your kids WILL be excluded from many extra-curricular activities. No cheerleading, no leadership positions, etc. I lived in a moron community for 5 years as a child, and it sucked! I would NEVER subject my own (future) children to that kind of abuse, nor want to live among people so narrow minded that they peep through keyholes with both eyes.
(I know that the religion isn't all bad, ie no mormons on welfare, but it still has too many other negatives)
Too bad he isn't expending his efforts on spammers. Would ANYONE here be complaining if he were going after spammers like this?
That doesn't mean i agree with the guy, his methods are certainly questionable, just that there is definaltely a double standard here (listening for the sound of jaws dropping in shock).
I do agree though - he should be treated like a lawyer - see sig.
HD is already compressed. It is broadcast at about 19.2 Mb/s. Raw HD, uncompressed for editing etc, chews up 1.5Gb/s. Various intermediate levels apply for internal (non broadcasted) signals, includin 270m/bit and a few others (sorry didn't memorize them). Firewire should be able to handle this easily. You probably want a scsi system, and ideally raid as well.
I saw some video on cnn - no pic on their site. The students cheated - it was the body shell of a vw bug, not the whole thing: no chassis, no engine, no wheels, etc. Come on, they aren't that heavy. 3 or 4 strong people can pick one up easily, and with as many as they had, it should have been easy
Good luck keeping the plate - the religious reich will be out to get you. If you do keep it, make sure to get a Lamborghini Diablo after the ipo...
(I know - waaaay off topic)
Several years ago, AAA did a study on the causes of accidents. Speed does NOT cause accidents. Higher speeds merely increase the severity of a accident when it happens. The cause of accidents is differentials in speed. 9 cars travelling at 80 mph and 1 at 55 mph, the slow car is going to cause the accident. Reverse it, 9@55 and 1@80, and the fast car will cause the accident. This came out at about the same time as the raising of the speed limit on interstates in CA from 65 to 70. Needless to say, the insurance industry quickly buried the study...
Have you seen the charges for ambulance transportation lately? - Its horrible if you do have insurance - if you don't you are REALLY screwed....