Actually, since ISP companies never put in enough capacity to service a 100% load, that means that if your neighbor uses their full connection then you're effectively throttled as you both fight for the limited resource.
Another angle is that companies exist to make a profit, and they face competition that keeps prices as low as possible (SNNRRKKBWahahahahaaa, oh man, I just couldn't... sigh, well let's pretend for now) so if your neighbor utilizes their connection then your ISP will have to upgrade their network. And they're sure as hell going to pass on that cost to you. Of course, they'll fight that by trying to limit how much everyone can use, even though you bought the unlimited (but not really) plan.
They're getting 1.5/386? Hell that's better then last time I bought comcast. I signed up for a plan that was apparently "between zero and eight". So I bought 8, only ever got 3, usually more like 1.5, and sometimes zilch.
Well one nutball deserves another I guess.
It's not so bad when you look at the vast amount of GDP we have. But yeah, it would really help to reduce the debt.
I really don't see how the most powerful nation on the planet is going away. Possibly if china stops buying our debt. But they'd want to unpin their currency from ours before they do that, which would cause massive turbulence and ultimately a raise in their currency, which would also massively disrupt their economy. They're not about to slit their own throat.
So walk me through this, how's it going to happen?
Also, raising up the other nations of the world is a good thing. When you have an imbalance like we did, it means that jobs go over there, but we get cheap goods. That's good and bad. When they get rich off of this deal, jobs will return, but prices will go up. Good and bad. If you want to be a pessimist and ignore all the good, have fun with that.
His statement is only true because he is paid a income on unrealized capital gains, which he ends up paying a capital gains tax on, which also is MUCH lower then if it were a straight up federal income tax.
Why yes. Yes that DOES make his statement true.
Since when did "true" equate to "stupid"?
Inflation... caused wealth to accumulate at the top...
Think about that for a while. Inflation, which causes accumulated wealth to decrease in value, caused wealth to accumulate somewhere.
Now, you actually may have a point with the creation of monopolies and such, but inflation is not one of those things that makes the rich richer.
You're TRYING for an insightful answer, which is good. But you're missing. Let me help you with that.
The simple solution you're going for is to remove money from the rulers. Since that's the example that's the grandparent post was talking about. Now, you see, your first mistake is associating third-world rulers which are usually the government figures with the rulers of the united states, which is largely run by corporations.
You're also trying to throw around a lot of right-wing propaganda talking points in a hope that it'll somehow convince people to hate Obama. Stop watching Fox News. It'll rot your head.
Getting laws to pass that are tied to anything is going to be hard enough. Tying the alternate minimum tax to inflation for example. $250K was supposed to be "rich". And it was, when they wrote the law. With a bit of inflation, well, that creeps down. Personally, $250K still seems plenty rich to me.
Anyway, this sort of idea is great, but it requires congressmen to give away control and power. As men of power, they HATE that. If they had things like, say, a sense of duty, ethics, belief in the greater good, or if they cared more about the nation then they did about their own career, then maybe I could seen them limiting their own power. But in today's politics? With these politicians? Nawwww, ain't happening.
We will always have access to some oil. Even if we have to distill down corn or boil it out of yeti-protected tar-sands. But for a finite resource distributed across varying levels of reachability, there comes a point where shit gets really expensive and you go find oil elsewhere. Peak oil. We've hit it in the USA. We're going to hit it world wide. Unless we find an economical alternative. Which would be awesome.
Scaffolding. Neat. But you're getting nitpicky and/or argumentative. War. Lemme rephrase that. I'd rather the army that I support to defend me be armed with machine guns rather then flintlocks. Salvage. Now here you bring up a good idea. Getting the "true cost" of lumber to be reflected. A tax or a equal replanting system to account for environmental damage. And something similar for risks of environmental damage. That's the insightful Drinkypoo I know and love. Free market. It doesn't exist. A pure, true, absolute, the-real-deal free market simply doesn't exist outside of theory. It's one of those things that people work towards. Governments exist, natural monopolies exist, people have friends, and no one is perfectly rational and well-informed. So don't go off into the deep end and say that the price of lumber doesn't have anything to do with the free market. The USA has a pretty damn free market. Historically speaking. Could be better. But if I go down to the store and buy a plank, there are free market forces at work determining how much it's going to cost me.
Decent idea.
1) Some people cannot learn calculus. They simply don't have the background and/or mental capacity.
2) What's the point of having more English or Philosophy majors?
3) Teaching people how to sell themselves and how to interview isn't something that colleges usually do. I mean, it sounds like a good idea. My college had a career services department that could help with that if you asked, but they were pretty lonely there.
4) Who goes to what college. I mean, I would have loved to go to MIT, but that wasn't going to happen.
How about we start tracking people into different categories post-highschool: STEM colleges for the smart people that actually do stuff. Colleges with other bullshit degrees for future office drones. Trade schools for skilled laborers. And straight into the work force for the poor shmucks doing unskilled labor. Although I guess they could drop out any time.
Man, I love how you rally against labels like "right" and "left" and then go on a veritiable rampage throughout your thread about the labels of Nazis, socialists, communists, who was who, and who was similar to who.
Fuck your -ists, fuck your -isms. It all boils down to what they did. Everyone that sits around bickering about how it all fits into the ideological flavors of... whatever, they need to get off their ass and go do something.
Do you prefer baking babies into pies over Mr. Politician's policies?
Oh, I'm sorry sir, "bullshit" isn't an option. I'll just mark you down as "strongly disagree". Thank you so much for supporting Mr. Politician! Have a nice day.
But seriously, any group that answered "I don't know" to every question would have scored perfectly on this guy's interpretation of the poll data.
That sir, is an awesome post. You should post more. It's important to remember that these crazy people have reasons that they're crazy. For all things a reason. The question then, is what the hell do we do about it? The factories have moved to third-worlds. There's a reason for that too, and they ain't coming back. What does an expensive first-world nation do with a glut of unskilled labor? And this problem is compounded by additional unskilled labor immigrating into the nation. I've nothing against immigrants. Know ye from whence ye came. But I think the racism and nationalism is just a convenient cover for the real antagonizing fact that they're facing additional competition for decent jobs. And there's a reason for the immigration too, shit sucks back in old country.
So how do we get everyone to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?
What, no of course not. Didn't you see my first post?
Ahhhhhh, I see what happened here. We've tripped on semantics. You think that if stolen code has a GPL slapped on it, it would later be revoked. Yeah, no, me and that one guy don't see it that way. You can't GPL stolen code and if that scenario happened, there would be no GPL'd code to revoke. At no time would such code be under the GPL, and everyone who thought so would simply be wrong.
But this much is ironclad: Once you GPL something, IT CANNOT BE UNDONE. The question is if it was really GPL'd to begin with.
And that question is not trivial. We cannot allow corporations to decide that they didn't really mean to GPL some code, they can claim that a rogue employee did it and simply abolish the license and everything that was derived from it.
Where does corporate responsibility lie? Ask yourself, who releases code to the GPL? A company or a person within the company?
Much like the barrier between personal projects and company projects can be easily breached, if a company acknowledges the GPL on one of it's projects, say, by an employee viewing and agreeing to the GPL, then the company should be complicit with the license. And we all know no one actually reads those things.
Only after you tear off the shingles, the siding, the insulation, the drywall, the venting, all the stuff inside, and the fixtures (you cut power right?).
THEN you have access to the frame of the house. But you're going to have to built some scaffolding around it or rent a lot of cherrypickers if you want to PULL THE NAILS (or screws). And all that said and done, you have a few peices of crappy 2x4s. Turns out, with today's labor prices and the availability of lumber, it's cheaper to go chop down another tree.
Sorry Dink, the free-market forces are right about this one. It ain't worth it.
(The fixtures and the various copper sources in old houses can be worth it though. That's why you hear about scavangers electrocuting themselves every now and then. You don't hear about the roof falling on lumber scavengers.)
I will eat my own hat if you have deconstructed a house and have have pictures of you harvesting the old lumber.
As for progress and war, shrug, that gets into philosophy. Which is mostly pointless. You might be more right here then about lumber, but if push came to shove, I'd rather have a machine gun then a flint lock.
Imagine you have a small nation with carpenters. They build stuff out of trees. Trees become a scarce resource and up pops a thriving
tree farming industry. You know, planting and protecting trees.
Then, magic of magic, someone finds a convenient mountain pass. Right next door. On the other side of a small mountain is a literal forest of trees.
Anyone can now get lumber. All they have to do is go get it. The tree planting industry tanks, and a few druids are out of business.
And yet the carpenters have plenty of material to work with, people have cheaper houses, cheaper goods, and a new (if smaller) industry of trail guides.
You are arguing to close the mountain pass, entrench the middle-men, and force everyone to support a worthless industry.
In short, your metrics are lieing to you. You can't trust them to show you the whole picture. "Money velocity" is just a simplification of an aspect of a very complex system that you don't have a good grasp of. Work on that.
Uh, Drinkypoo, you're usually pretty insightful around here, but you're a little off the mark.
Screws are better because they hold the wood together more firmly. They don't take them out and reuse them. Nor do they use the wood again out of old houses. It's used lumber and hardware from ancient decaying houses. I wouldn't want my house built with used hardware. And this stuff is cheap enough that it's really not an issue. Old houses get scavenged and then torn down. The scavenging doesn't include the bloody FRAME of the house.
And... dear god. Automatic fire was leaps and bounds better then rifles with a slow and cumbersome reload. The argument that it wastes ammo was supposed to be ludicrous.
Drinky. An important first step is recognizing progress.
Yeah, it ain't easy. Good luck and try to stay positive.
Are you sure you even need to retrain? Years of experience as a programmer is usually leaps and bounds better then a degree. Big shops still require it, but you could look across the nation for similar small engineering shops.
Unless you're strongly tied to an area, that's pretty limiting.
Oye, one thing that might cheer you up. Look at it this way. We're 27, only 5 years out of college (or 9 out of highschool). That's peanuts to how long you're going to go on living. You've got, what? Another 50 years to live? Career-wise, we're still young blood.
once something has been released as GPL it cannot be undone.
YES. He claims that because it is true. Once it is GPL'd and released, anyone and everyone can now enforce that license, and part of the license is that you cannot remove that license. The code is free, from all those who would want to steal it away. Including you, the original author. Anything derived from the GPL'd code is like-wise GPL'd. There is no such thing as "unlicensing" the GPL.
Sorry, but you're simply wrong.
I gave a counter example showing his argument was invalid.
Your example was shit and even you should be able to see that. Grow up, grow a pair, admit when you're wrong, and learn how the world works.
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Actually, since ISP companies never put in enough capacity to service a 100% load, that means that if your neighbor uses their full connection then you're effectively throttled as you both fight for the limited resource.
Another angle is that companies exist to make a profit, and they face competition that keeps prices as low as possible (SNNRRKKBWahahahahaaa, oh man, I just couldn't... sigh, well let's pretend for now) so if your neighbor utilizes their connection then your ISP will have to upgrade their network. And they're sure as hell going to pass on that cost to you. Of course, they'll fight that by trying to limit how much everyone can use, even though you bought the unlimited (but not really) plan.
They're getting 1.5/386? Hell that's better then last time I bought comcast. I signed up for a plan that was apparently "between zero and eight". So I bought 8, only ever got 3, usually more like 1.5, and sometimes zilch.
Well one nutball deserves another I guess. It's not so bad when you look at the vast amount of GDP we have. But yeah, it would really help to reduce the debt.
I really don't see how the most powerful nation on the planet is going away. Possibly if china stops buying our debt. But they'd want to unpin their currency from ours before they do that, which would cause massive turbulence and ultimately a raise in their currency, which would also massively disrupt their economy. They're not about to slit their own throat.
So walk me through this, how's it going to happen?
Also, raising up the other nations of the world is a good thing. When you have an imbalance like we did, it means that jobs go over there, but we get cheap goods. That's good and bad. When they get rich off of this deal, jobs will return, but prices will go up. Good and bad. If you want to be a pessimist and ignore all the good, have fun with that.
His statement is only true because he is paid a income on unrealized capital gains, which he ends up paying a capital gains tax on, which also is MUCH lower then if it were a straight up federal income tax.
Why yes. Yes that DOES make his statement true.
Since when did "true" equate to "stupid"?
Inflation... caused wealth to accumulate at the top...
Think about that for a while. Inflation, which causes accumulated wealth to decrease in value, caused wealth to accumulate somewhere.
Now, you actually may have a point with the creation of monopolies and such, but inflation is not one of those things that makes the rich richer.
You're TRYING for an insightful answer, which is good. But you're missing. Let me help you with that.
The simple solution you're going for is to remove money from the rulers. Since that's the example that's the grandparent post was talking about. Now, you see, your first mistake is associating third-world rulers which are usually the government figures with the rulers of the united states, which is largely run by corporations.
You're also trying to throw around a lot of right-wing propaganda talking points in a hope that it'll somehow convince people to hate Obama. Stop watching Fox News. It'll rot your head.
Getting laws to pass that are tied to anything is going to be hard enough. Tying the alternate minimum tax to inflation for example. $250K was supposed to be "rich". And it was, when they wrote the law. With a bit of inflation, well, that creeps down. Personally, $250K still seems plenty rich to me.
Anyway, this sort of idea is great, but it requires congressmen to give away control and power. As men of power, they HATE that. If they had things like, say, a sense of duty, ethics, belief in the greater good, or if they cared more about the nation then they did about their own career, then maybe I could seen them limiting their own power. But in today's politics? With these politicians? Nawwww, ain't happening.
Arguably, the legal system.
Barring blatantly evil things, legality is largely a matter of how good of a lawyer you can afford.
Obviously it's a virtual massage-based game.
Newsflash. We are running out of cheap oil.
We will always have access to some oil. Even if we have to distill down corn or boil it out of yeti-protected tar-sands. But for a finite resource distributed across varying levels of reachability, there comes a point where shit gets really expensive and you go find oil elsewhere. Peak oil. We've hit it in the USA. We're going to hit it world wide. Unless we find an economical alternative. Which would be awesome.
Damn, I really wanted to be able to point at LiftPort as someone that was working towards a space elevator. But it really doesn't look like it.
I've given this one a little bit of thought.
Scaffolding. Neat. But you're getting nitpicky and/or argumentative.
War. Lemme rephrase that. I'd rather the army that I support to defend me be armed with machine guns rather then flintlocks.
Salvage. Now here you bring up a good idea. Getting the "true cost" of lumber to be reflected. A tax or a equal replanting system to account for environmental damage. And something similar for risks of environmental damage. That's the insightful Drinkypoo I know and love.
Free market. It doesn't exist. A pure, true, absolute, the-real-deal free market simply doesn't exist outside of theory. It's one of those things that people work towards. Governments exist, natural monopolies exist, people have friends, and no one is perfectly rational and well-informed. So don't go off into the deep end and say that the price of lumber doesn't have anything to do with the free market. The USA has a pretty damn free market. Historically speaking. Could be better. But if I go down to the store and buy a plank, there are free market forces at work determining how much it's going to cost me.
Decent idea. 1) Some people cannot learn calculus. They simply don't have the background and/or mental capacity.
2) What's the point of having more English or Philosophy majors?
3) Teaching people how to sell themselves and how to interview isn't something that colleges usually do. I mean, it sounds like a good idea. My college had a career services department that could help with that if you asked, but they were pretty lonely there.
4) Who goes to what college. I mean, I would have loved to go to MIT, but that wasn't going to happen.
How about we start tracking people into different categories post-highschool: STEM colleges for the smart people that actually do stuff. Colleges with other bullshit degrees for future office drones. Trade schools for skilled laborers. And straight into the work force for the poor shmucks doing unskilled labor. Although I guess they could drop out any time.
Man, I love how you rally against labels like "right" and "left" and then go on a veritiable rampage throughout your thread about the labels of Nazis, socialists, communists, who was who, and who was similar to who.
Fuck your -ists, fuck your -isms. It all boils down to what they did. Everyone that sits around bickering about how it all fits into the ideological flavors of... whatever, they need to get off their ass and go do something.
It's a loaded question.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Do you prefer baking babies into pies over Mr. Politician's policies?
Oh, I'm sorry sir, "bullshit" isn't an option. I'll just mark you down as "strongly disagree". Thank you so much for supporting Mr. Politician! Have a nice day.
But seriously, any group that answered "I don't know" to every question would have scored perfectly on this guy's interpretation of the poll data.
That sir, is an awesome post. You should post more. It's important to remember that these crazy people have reasons that they're crazy. For all things a reason. The question then, is what the hell do we do about it? The factories have moved to third-worlds. There's a reason for that too, and they ain't coming back. What does an expensive first-world nation do with a glut of unskilled labor? And this problem is compounded by additional unskilled labor immigrating into the nation. I've nothing against immigrants. Know ye from whence ye came. But I think the racism and nationalism is just a convenient cover for the real antagonizing fact that they're facing additional competition for decent jobs. And there's a reason for the immigration too, shit sucks back in old country.
So how do we get everyone to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?
What, no of course not. Didn't you see my first post?
Ahhhhhh, I see what happened here. We've tripped on semantics. You think that if stolen code has a GPL slapped on it, it would later be revoked. Yeah, no, me and that one guy don't see it that way. You can't GPL stolen code and if that scenario happened, there would be no GPL'd code to revoke. At no time would such code be under the GPL, and everyone who thought so would simply be wrong. But this much is ironclad: Once you GPL something, IT CANNOT BE UNDONE. The question is if it was really GPL'd to begin with.
And that question is not trivial. We cannot allow corporations to decide that they didn't really mean to GPL some code, they can claim that a rogue employee did it and simply abolish the license and everything that was derived from it.
Where does corporate responsibility lie? Ask yourself, who releases code to the GPL? A company or a person within the company? Much like the barrier between personal projects and company projects can be easily breached, if a company acknowledges the GPL on one of it's projects, say, by an employee viewing and agreeing to the GPL, then the company should be complicit with the license. And we all know no one actually reads those things.
Huh. I thought they were just slower to work with. The more you know, eh?
Only after you tear off the shingles, the siding, the insulation, the drywall, the venting, all the stuff inside, and the fixtures (you cut power right?).
THEN you have access to the frame of the house. But you're going to have to built some scaffolding around it or rent a lot of cherrypickers if you want to PULL THE NAILS (or screws). And all that said and done, you have a few peices of crappy 2x4s. Turns out, with today's labor prices and the availability of lumber, it's cheaper to go chop down another tree.
Sorry Dink, the free-market forces are right about this one. It ain't worth it.
(The fixtures and the various copper sources in old houses can be worth it though. That's why you hear about scavangers electrocuting themselves every now and then. You don't hear about the roof falling on lumber scavengers.)
I will eat my own hat if you have deconstructed a house and have have pictures of you harvesting the old lumber.
As for progress and war, shrug, that gets into philosophy. Which is mostly pointless. You might be more right here then about lumber, but if push came to shove, I'd rather have a machine gun then a flint lock.
free software is usually good a decade or so after the retail software has been on the market.
Yeah, like remote desktop, desktop search, and multiple desktops....
Imagine you have a small nation with carpenters. They build stuff out of trees. Trees become a scarce resource and up pops a thriving tree farming industry. You know, planting and protecting trees.
Then, magic of magic, someone finds a convenient mountain pass. Right next door. On the other side of a small mountain is a literal forest of trees. Anyone can now get lumber. All they have to do is go get it. The tree planting industry tanks, and a few druids are out of business.
And yet the carpenters have plenty of material to work with, people have cheaper houses, cheaper goods, and a new (if smaller) industry of trail guides.
You are arguing to close the mountain pass, entrench the middle-men, and force everyone to support a worthless industry.
In short, your metrics are lieing to you. You can't trust them to show you the whole picture. "Money velocity" is just a simplification of an aspect of a very complex system that you don't have a good grasp of. Work on that.
Uh, Drinkypoo, you're usually pretty insightful around here, but you're a little off the mark.
Screws are better because they hold the wood together more firmly. They don't take them out and reuse them. Nor do they use the wood again out of old houses. It's used lumber and hardware from ancient decaying houses. I wouldn't want my house built with used hardware. And this stuff is cheap enough that it's really not an issue. Old houses get scavenged and then torn down. The scavenging doesn't include the bloody FRAME of the house.
And... dear god. Automatic fire was leaps and bounds better then rifles with a slow and cumbersome reload. The argument that it wastes ammo was supposed to be ludicrous.
Drinky. An important first step is recognizing progress.
Yeah, it ain't easy. Good luck and try to stay positive.
Are you sure you even need to retrain? Years of experience as a programmer is usually leaps and bounds better then a degree. Big shops still require it, but you could look across the nation for similar small engineering shops.
Unless you're strongly tied to an area, that's pretty limiting.
Oye, one thing that might cheer you up. Look at it this way. We're 27, only 5 years out of college (or 9 out of highschool). That's peanuts to how long you're going to go on living. You've got, what? Another 50 years to live? Career-wise, we're still young blood.
once something has been released as GPL it cannot be undone.
YES. He claims that because it is true. Once it is GPL'd and released, anyone and everyone can now enforce that license, and part of the license is that you cannot remove that license. The code is free, from all those who would want to steal it away. Including you, the original author. Anything derived from the GPL'd code is like-wise GPL'd. There is no such thing as "unlicensing" the GPL.
Sorry, but you're simply wrong.
I gave a counter example showing his argument was invalid.
Your example was shit and even you should be able to see that. Grow up, grow a pair, admit when you're wrong, and learn how the world works.
Even when you bypass the licensing cost of both LEGO and the Star Wars franchises?