hmmmm, wait a second... *sniffs the smoke* *listens to the chanting mob* *Looks down at the pitchfork in his hands*. Yep. This is a witch-hunt.
Now, don't get me wrong. I honestly despise this paticular brand of witch. These guys suck and their actions have a very anti-social bent to it. Their buisness model is abuse and intrusive. Fuck marketers. I know plenty well enough to protect myself, but "the masses" are just kinda generally dumb and enough are swayable into doing dumb things. Like using emacs or voting along party lines. Or worse. There are large scale sociological problems when corporations know too much about every individual.
BUT. I mean, come on guys. We'v got to be allowed to build our own phone books. A name and an address isn't.... Nobody expects that to be private. If you own a house it's literally public knowledge. You WANT people to know you own that land. This is all publicly accessible data. That's fine. In fact I'd expect companies to collect this stuff. It's not a problem. The problem is if they harvest PRIVATE data.
So... like... let's go burn down the castle of someone that's actually a monster.
At the same time I bought an EEEPC with Linux on it. $375, roughly the same size. But it was about a million times more useful. My daughter loved it.
(And for a first-world child, yeah, I'd say learning Linux is simply more viable.)
But you can't quite compare the time usage between these two devices as one was $375 and HALF the cost of the other was literally donated somewhere. You're comparing a $400 device and a $200 device. It's no real shock that she preferred the one that's twice as valuable (and therefore, presumably, has twice the capabilities). And once you get used to a system... well, we all know about lock-in here at slashdot. I doubt your pre-teen had never used any linux system prior.
How about we solve those problems for everyone on the planet first, instead of putting the cart before the horse?
Because that's fucking BULLSHIT. You're suggesting we HALT all development other than the water, food, and shelter.
FURTHERMORE, congratulations, we HAVE / ARE solving those problems. BOOM.
There are LESS places with LESS people in those situations than there has been for hundreds of years. That's not percentage-based either, I mean absolutely. TIMES ARE GOOD.
Why would you want to bar the poor from having high technology? Why keep them down in the dirt? What would motivate you to even suggest that?
They shipped 3 million At that 1% = 30,000 young coders doesn't sound like a trivial number. (And I'm sure most of them have been through multiple hands). It's been years, where are the success stories or github accounts popping up from Uruguay and Nigeria? You'd think these feel-good stories would be an easy sell.
For WHAT kids? You're making presumptions and it's turning you into an ass. I'm so sorry that your pretend target audience is suffering with more serious issues, but there are plenty of kids out there that got a laptop and it was hella useful and made their life better.
if everything else is solved then sure, go for it.
It's a retrospective. That whole "Learning from history" thing so maybe we don't do it again. As a reminder 2005 was 13 years ago. It's also a bit of a hit-piece, as while the OLPC didn't wholly deliver a world-up-heaving revolution... they did ship a lot of laptops to a bunch of poor kids.
We don't want people sitting on land without using it. If you can't afford it, SELL IT. There's only so much of it where people want to be, and it's very zero-sum.
I never quite understood the connection between property tax and school budgets though. Why did that happen?
have a Federal sales tax and 80% money is to be distributed
That would be simpler, but it would remove an important aspect of why we have states. They're places to try experiments with different government and to match rules with their situation.
....the thing with corporations and tax exemption bidding wars IS fucking bullshit though. It's just that they're bigger players than the states/cities and can bully them around. It's not even a sales tax thing. Typically the exceptions are straight up "We'll ignore property tax if you move here"? "Incentives". I don't think it's typically campaign donations.
Fundamentally, the justification for the tax is that it costs money maintaining the infrastructure and system that facilitates said sale. When the sale happens at a distance... both locations bear the burden, so.... both locations could reasonably demand sales tax. Sender's sales tax vs state's sales tax. Of course, this is handled internationally with customs, fees, import taxes and such, and the fed is specifically tasked with removing that sort of barrier to trade between states. And rightly so. And it doesn't sound so great as now we would then get two bodies slapping on their own sales tax. And it complicates the whole affair. A whole lot of affairs as every PoS system would need updating. There's a legit argument that this broad of a change would cause "undue burden". We're simply locked into the old way.
But it's not like reason has any real impact on what happens in court. So all that is probably moot.
I'm pretty sure you can replace "Robot" with "limited liability corporation (llc)" in this debate and we already have answers to most of the questions people are raising. Like, do they have safeguards to keep them from hurting people? And the answer is "the law".
....wut? Ok guys, it's time to accept that we're living in a cyberpunk novel. They were windows into the future and that future is now. So make with the pink mohawks and techno music.
Remember, only only Keanu can save us. I think all those John Wick movies were just prepping him.
Because you're redefining "free" into a bullshit non-statement.
Imagine you're in a prison. Do you think to yourself "I AM the ultimate arbiter of where I go! I can go anywhere! I just have to accept that if I step over that line the guy in the guardtower is free to shoot me, and that would be.... inappropriate".....Do you really have freedom of movement?
If you think "no", then you're not completely crazy and you should realize this line of reasoning applies to speech as well. If you think "Yes, prisoners are free to move and go wherever they want", then you're crazy in the sense that you're no longer operating with the same terms as everyone else and you've got some double-think going on to the levels of "war is peace" and "freedom is slavery". This just isn't how the vast majority of people see the world and define these terms. Communication will be hard. Somehow you spin this worldview into a perfectly workable end product. Hey, you and I are more or less on the same page when it comes to how people should be censored. But we disagree fundamentally on just what freedom is.
1) That's a bad thing. The NICE part of bitcoin is that it's distributed. It's a feature!
2) It's WASTE heat dude.
But sure, they've been trying to harvest waste heat from power plants. I've heard some interesting ideas about using the heat gradient as a sterling engine and turning it into vibrations then converting that back into power.
They need to think about how to co-locate thermal power intensive industries.
They're going to co-locate where the damn coal is cheap. Where the land is cheap. Where the employees are cheap. Or do you think having a cheap bread baking oven is going to offset the cost of running a RAIL ROAD LINE from the coal mine to the coal plant? It's great that you're thinking about efficiencies. But this is a general issue with power plants that has been around a long time and there's a whole field of education dedicated to this stuff. It's like commenting that maybe NASA should think about how much air resistance rockets have to deal with.
Leftists are boogeymen created by conservative talk show hosts.
I'd actually say that Bitcoin is a product of libertarians. The sort that don't think our monetary system should be left to the government. And yeah, "how do deal with pollution" gets you a variety of answers from that crowd.
This right here indicates that you have completely understood the purpose of free speech.
Thank you
There are NO limits to free speech.
Ah, you're crazy. Have fun with that.
Free speech is not speech free from consequence.
And here's the crazy. Because by this logic, everyone in the most fascist oppressive thought-crime hellhole has complete and absolute freedom of speech. They can say whatever they want.....But they're not free from the consequences of the state goons blackbagging them in the night...
"Consequences" range allllll the way from summary execution to people scoffing at you and walking away. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from OTHER people saying mean things. But it should protect you from being silenced and censored. If you swear at kids in a kindergarten, they will stop you.
Are you so crazy that you're suggesting we SHOULD allow people to yell profanities at our children at kindergarten and not stop them?
Because anything not being said openly is being discussed covertly with ZERO moderating influence.
So what do you think about subbreddits where the mods work their damned hardest to block and ban anyone coming in and having rational discussion? Take...../r/latestagecapitalism a sub which, you know, I generally agree with the concept but they take it way way WAY too far. So, a lot of similarities with this thread here. Apparently 6 months ago they simply started banning anyone that has any sort of debate. It's a "safe space for leftists". Their words. I thought it was an april fools joke. But no, they're enforcing their bubble. They are blocking any sort of moderating influence to keep their craziness in check. It's not good.
But... there ARE limits to free speech. I'm all for fighting this recent wave of oppression. "...but I'll defend your right to say it..." blahblahblah and all that. But let's not go too extreme in the other direction.
Calling for violence. Specifically planning a lynch mob to go hurt someone at a specific time and place. That's illegal. It constrains what you're allowed to say and therefore free speech. Calling for all emac users to be flayed alive some time in the future? That's a general call and more of a political viewpoint. Suggesting we mob Chas tomorrow after work outside of his office and give him a wet willie? That's specific, and tantamount to conspiring to violence (of the most heinous sort). This is illegal because of all those dead black people hanging from trees in the south surrounded by mobs of white folk. It was a problem so we made it illegal. Hopefully we don't go back to lynch mobs, but now we have tools to throw them in jail if they try.
Inciting panic over false threats. It's illegal to make bomb threats. "Calling fire in a theater". This sort of scenario is where words DO cause real physical harm. (Or massive disruption while the bomb squad pokes bags or IT uninstalls emacs). If this is allowed it's an obvious denial of service security hole that would eventually be abused by actual terrorists.
Commercial speech. We're supposed to have truth in advertising. People can't sell you snake oil medicine and lie about it's properties. If you're paid to say it, you can't knowingly lie. Without this, fraud is legal and people might start praising emacs.
Local censorship. You can't swear like a sailor at a kindergarten. You can't constantly hit on people at yoga class. This isn't illegal (maybe, fuck if I know) but the local authorities can kick you out. The teacher, the instructor, the mods. This is fine. And they can make up whatever crazy rules they want. It's their land/building/server. They can't arrest you or fine you, but they are not forced to put up with you. (eh, ok, city ordinances can also fine you for playing your music too loud at night and such. That's a little fuzzier.)
Any and all emacs discussion. This just goes without saying. We don't want this sort of indecency going on here.
While I staunchly defend the ideals of free speech and discourage censorship from both government and elsewhere, these are perfectly reasonable and justifiable limits on free speech.
Structural racism is like how on slashdot everyone feels perfectly content to belittle minorities because there's no consequence for doing so
Dude, let it go. Emacs has lost the war and all you old codgers are just fools for not waking up and smelling the coffee that Vi is dominant. And calling yourselves a "race" is bullshit.
Slashdot Mirror
So, I'm not seeing it. Please explain the exploit. Someone knows both my name, address.... and now my twitter handle? Oh... noes?
If your online accounts use your real name... then yes, this could all be exploited to... make a modern day phone book.
hmmmm, wait a second... *sniffs the smoke* *listens to the chanting mob* *Looks down at the pitchfork in his hands*. Yep. This is a witch-hunt.
Now, don't get me wrong. I honestly despise this paticular brand of witch. These guys suck and their actions have a very anti-social bent to it. Their buisness model is abuse and intrusive. Fuck marketers. I know plenty well enough to protect myself, but "the masses" are just kinda generally dumb and enough are swayable into doing dumb things. Like using emacs or voting along party lines. Or worse. There are large scale sociological problems when corporations know too much about every individual.
BUT. I mean, come on guys. We'v got to be allowed to build our own phone books. A name and an address isn't.... Nobody expects that to be private. If you own a house it's literally public knowledge. You WANT people to know you own that land. This is all publicly accessible data. That's fine. In fact I'd expect companies to collect this stuff. It's not a problem. The problem is if they harvest PRIVATE data.
So... like... let's go burn down the castle of someone that's actually a monster.
At the same time I bought an EEEPC with Linux on it. $375, roughly the same size. But it was about a million times more useful. My daughter loved it.
(And for a first-world child, yeah, I'd say learning Linux is simply more viable.)
But you can't quite compare the time usage between these two devices as one was $375 and HALF the cost of the other was literally donated somewhere. You're comparing a $400 device and a $200 device. It's no real shock that she preferred the one that's twice as valuable (and therefore, presumably, has twice the capabilities). And once you get used to a system... well, we all know about lock-in here at slashdot. I doubt your pre-teen had never used any linux system prior.
How about we solve those problems for everyone on the planet first, instead of putting the cart before the horse?
Because that's fucking BULLSHIT. You're suggesting we HALT all development other than the water, food, and shelter.
FURTHERMORE, congratulations, we HAVE / ARE solving those problems. BOOM.
There are LESS places with LESS people in those situations than there has been for hundreds of years. That's not percentage-based either, I mean absolutely. TIMES ARE GOOD.
Why would you want to bar the poor from having high technology? Why keep them down in the dirt? What would motivate you to even suggest that?
They shipped 3 million At that 1% = 30,000 young coders doesn't sound like a trivial number. (And I'm sure most of them have been through multiple hands). It's been years, where are the success stories or github accounts popping up from Uruguay and Nigeria? You'd think these feel-good stories would be an easy sell.
even a $500 smart phone is beyond the reach of the children
. . . Even? As in that price-tag for a phone is... low?
And can you imagine trying to write anything beyond a tweet on a smart phone keyboard?
If only we had the technology...
OLPC was a very different market and very different customers.
And yet rich Americans were chomping at the bit to purchase them, and weren't allowed. Until they came up with their buy 2 get 1 plan...
The only reason I ordered one was because it was novel.
You're literally a counter-example to your own stance.
Of course cheap-ass laptops didn't replace desktops. Come on dude.
for these kids.
For WHAT kids? You're making presumptions and it's turning you into an ass. I'm so sorry that your pretend target audience is suffering with more serious issues, but there are plenty of kids out there that got a laptop and it was hella useful and made their life better.
if everything else is solved then sure, go for it.
Utter fucking bullshit.
It's a retrospective. That whole "Learning from history" thing so maybe we don't do it again. As a reminder 2005 was 13 years ago. It's also a bit of a hit-piece, as while the OLPC didn't wholly deliver a world-up-heaving revolution... they did ship a lot of laptops to a bunch of poor kids.
We don't want people sitting on land without using it. If you can't afford it, SELL IT. There's only so much of it where people want to be, and it's very zero-sum.
I never quite understood the connection between property tax and school budgets though. Why did that happen?
have a Federal sales tax and 80% money is to be distributed
That would be simpler, but it would remove an important aspect of why we have states. They're places to try experiments with different government and to match rules with their situation.
"Archivist"? A 19 year old.... archivist? What kind of bullshit made up term is...
The teen is estimated to have around 30 terabytes of online data on his hard drives
...Well alright then. I'm not even mad. Props to the archivist.
Fundamentally, the justification for the tax is that it costs money maintaining the infrastructure and system that facilitates said sale. When the sale happens at a distance... both locations bear the burden, so.... both locations could reasonably demand sales tax. Sender's sales tax vs state's sales tax. Of course, this is handled internationally with customs, fees, import taxes and such, and the fed is specifically tasked with removing that sort of barrier to trade between states. And rightly so. And it doesn't sound so great as now we would then get two bodies slapping on their own sales tax. And it complicates the whole affair. A whole lot of affairs as every PoS system would need updating. There's a legit argument that this broad of a change would cause "undue burden". We're simply locked into the old way.
But it's not like reason has any real impact on what happens in court. So all that is probably moot.
all we have is PSEUDO-INTELLIGENCE
Well at least you admit it.
I'm pretty sure you can replace "Robot" with "limited liability corporation (llc)" in this debate and we already have answers to most of the questions people are raising. Like, do they have safeguards to keep them from hurting people? And the answer is "the law".
....wut? Ok guys, it's time to accept that we're living in a cyberpunk novel. They were windows into the future and that future is now. So make with the pink mohawks and techno music.
Remember, only only Keanu can save us. I think all those John Wick movies were just prepping him.
Because you're redefining "free" into a bullshit non-statement.
Imagine you're in a prison. Do you think to yourself "I AM the ultimate arbiter of where I go! I can go anywhere! I just have to accept that if I step over that line the guy in the guardtower is free to shoot me, and that would be.... inappropriate". ....Do you really have freedom of movement?
If you think "no", then you're not completely crazy and you should realize this line of reasoning applies to speech as well. If you think "Yes, prisoners are free to move and go wherever they want", then you're crazy in the sense that you're no longer operating with the same terms as everyone else and you've got some double-think going on to the levels of "war is peace" and "freedom is slavery". This just isn't how the vast majority of people see the world and define these terms. Communication will be hard. Somehow you spin this worldview into a perfectly workable end product. Hey, you and I are more or less on the same page when it comes to how people should be censored. But we disagree fundamentally on just what freedom is.
1) That's a bad thing. The NICE part of bitcoin is that it's distributed. It's a feature!
2) It's WASTE heat dude.
But sure, they've been trying to harvest waste heat from power plants. I've heard some interesting ideas about using the heat gradient as a sterling engine and turning it into vibrations then converting that back into power.
They need to think about how to co-locate thermal power intensive industries.
They're going to co-locate where the damn coal is cheap. Where the land is cheap. Where the employees are cheap. Or do you think having a cheap bread baking oven is going to offset the cost of running a RAIL ROAD LINE from the coal mine to the coal plant? It's great that you're thinking about efficiencies. But this is a general issue with power plants that has been around a long time and there's a whole field of education dedicated to this stuff. It's like commenting that maybe NASA should think about how much air resistance rockets have to deal with.
Leftists are boogeymen created by conservative talk show hosts.
I'd actually say that Bitcoin is a product of libertarians. The sort that don't think our monetary system should be left to the government. And yeah, "how do deal with pollution" gets you a variety of answers from that crowd.
Huh, is this some sort of competition to find the dirtiest of money?
This right here indicates that you have completely understood the purpose of free speech.
Thank you
There are NO limits to free speech.
Ah, you're crazy. Have fun with that.
Free speech is not speech free from consequence.
And here's the crazy. Because by this logic, everyone in the most fascist oppressive thought-crime hellhole has complete and absolute freedom of speech. They can say whatever they want. ....But they're not free from the consequences of the state goons blackbagging them in the night...
"Consequences" range allllll the way from summary execution to people scoffing at you and walking away. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from OTHER people saying mean things. But it should protect you from being silenced and censored. If you swear at kids in a kindergarten, they will stop you.
Are you so crazy that you're suggesting we SHOULD allow people to yell profanities at our children at kindergarten and not stop them?
Because anything not being said openly is being discussed covertly with ZERO moderating influence.
So what do you think about subbreddits where the mods work their damned hardest to block and ban anyone coming in and having rational discussion? Take..... /r/latestagecapitalism a sub which, you know, I generally agree with the concept but they take it way way WAY too far. So, a lot of similarities with this thread here. Apparently 6 months ago they simply started banning anyone that has any sort of debate. It's a "safe space for leftists". Their words. I thought it was an april fools joke. But no, they're enforcing their bubble. They are blocking any sort of moderating influence to keep their craziness in check. It's not good.
It says that the recipient won't be able to forward email content, copy and paste, download or print the email.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
holy shit how far has Google fallen!?
I remember when they wouldn't even try to float that one by the general populace because they know that we're going to read it.
God DAMN, has this "post-truth society" thing really infected everyone else?
WORD!
But... there ARE limits to free speech. I'm all for fighting this recent wave of oppression. "...but I'll defend your right to say it..." blahblahblah and all that. But let's not go too extreme in the other direction.
Calling for violence. Specifically planning a lynch mob to go hurt someone at a specific time and place. That's illegal. It constrains what you're allowed to say and therefore free speech. Calling for all emac users to be flayed alive some time in the future? That's a general call and more of a political viewpoint. Suggesting we mob Chas tomorrow after work outside of his office and give him a wet willie? That's specific, and tantamount to conspiring to violence (of the most heinous sort). This is illegal because of all those dead black people hanging from trees in the south surrounded by mobs of white folk. It was a problem so we made it illegal. Hopefully we don't go back to lynch mobs, but now we have tools to throw them in jail if they try.
Inciting panic over false threats. It's illegal to make bomb threats. "Calling fire in a theater". This sort of scenario is where words DO cause real physical harm. (Or massive disruption while the bomb squad pokes bags or IT uninstalls emacs). If this is allowed it's an obvious denial of service security hole that would eventually be abused by actual terrorists.
Commercial speech. We're supposed to have truth in advertising. People can't sell you snake oil medicine and lie about it's properties. If you're paid to say it, you can't knowingly lie. Without this, fraud is legal and people might start praising emacs.
Local censorship. You can't swear like a sailor at a kindergarten. You can't constantly hit on people at yoga class. This isn't illegal (maybe, fuck if I know) but the local authorities can kick you out. The teacher, the instructor, the mods. This is fine. And they can make up whatever crazy rules they want. It's their land/building/server. They can't arrest you or fine you, but they are not forced to put up with you.
(eh, ok, city ordinances can also fine you for playing your music too loud at night and such. That's a little fuzzier.)
Any and all emacs discussion. This just goes without saying. We don't want this sort of indecency going on here.
While I staunchly defend the ideals of free speech and discourage censorship from both government and elsewhere, these are perfectly reasonable and justifiable limits on free speech.
Structural racism is like how on slashdot everyone feels perfectly content to belittle minorities because there's no consequence for doing so
Dude, let it go. Emacs has lost the war and all you old codgers are just fools for not waking up and smelling the coffee that Vi is dominant. And calling yourselves a "race" is bullshit.
And the WaffeHouse CEO didn't interrogate her every week for a list of all clients and ordering history so he could sell it.