this. even today, when i'm studying, i have a pen in my hand and a (paper) notebook in front of me. laptops and tablets are just fancy ways to waste time, excuses for mediocre students who don't really want to study.
i dont think there will be performance improvement. the gpu don't really care if a few pixels have to be transparent. and i they're not going to turn off compositing. that said, win8 does seem a lot faster than win7 on my laptop. the boot ups and shutdowns are lightning fast, even faster than mint.
i thought people in this thread wanted an alt+f2 alternative. that's what win+"type" is, and i think its much better than alt+f2 ever was. i agree that menus have their use, and sadly microsoft seems to be systematically eliminating them.
IE 10: Better HTML 5 support - not much else - who cares?
most web devs do.
Sign in with MS Account: Who cares? Is anyone gonna use this?
yes.
Picture Password and PIN Login: Picture pass is kinda cool, but PIN login? Really?
whats so obviously wrong about PIN login?
Ribbon in Windows Explorer: Holy cow no thank you.
its actually much better than the win7 ui.
Hybrid Boot: Kinda cool - depends on how well it works.
my 2yr old i3 laptop with a 5400rpm hdd boots to metro in ~20 seconds. i think the new boot thingy is working pretty good.
Windows To Go - Officially supported BartPE. Yawn.
wtf is a bartpe? this right here is feature no other (good/usable) os has, and you yawn about it.
Refresh and Reset Recovery - How about making it so you don't need recovery in the first place? How is this better than a decent backup system?
they already have a superb backup and file versioning system. and refresh and reset are just specific implementations of that base functionality.
Native USB 3 - This shouldn't be a Windows 8 "feature," this should be in a service pack for Vista and Seven
usb3 works on win7.
New Windows Task Manager - Yawn
this thing beats the hell out of any other system monitor utility i've seen. the fact that you don't need it just means that you don't have any use of your pc beyond accessing facebook.
XBox Live integration - I don't think anyone will care about this - are they thinking about competing with steam? Good luck.
if this turns out to be any good, people won't even remember steam a few years from now. but i don't think they will, the xbox guys simply can't make anything nice for the pc (eg, gfwl).
Family Safety - Wasn't this included with Windows Live? Yawn
agree, yawn. any child worth his/her salt will learn how to go around the restrictions.
Antivirus in Windows Defender - In other words, they are just including MSE.
yes, which is pretty big. mse works very well, and its time people stopped wasting their money on spammy antivirus like norton.
Secure Boot Support - Holy cow no thank you
agree, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to the user. its just a mechanism to lock down the pc.
summary: win8 is a considerable improvement in terms of features. if you don't want ANY of those features, sucks to be you. but the os itself has more features. my main gripe with the whole thing is lack of an option to turn off the metro bits altogether. if i'm not using a touchscreen, why not just give me the regular desktop (i don't mind the non-transparent color scheme).
You can't be as effective, MS gets rid of the eye candy and features like Aero peak that I use every single day.
aero peek works fine in the consumer preview, dunno if they changed it in the latest build.
Metro apps are terribly under developed and underpowered. Just look at IE 10 and the Hotmail Metro apps? No cut and paste, no tabs, the hotmail one has 3 functions and it just hotmail.com in a fullscreen IE Window maximized!
there is cut and paste in ie10. the hotmail app is actuall the mail app, and it is quite feature-rich. maybe you used the original dev preview version, it was indeed very limited.
Me too. At home I use Windows just for gaming and occasionally for Excel, so I'll just install my good old Vista into the next PC too. There is no way I will pay for this "upgrade". I just wonder, what they will do for the professional version, as no company will waste their money for re-learning needed for that Win8 either. Perhaps XFCE and Linux provide finally a reasonable alternative for Windows at offices too.
This is not Metro. This is the Windows 7 - like part of the OS, they just made the color theme a bit more like Metro. Aero transparency was really jarring when you switched from Metro. I think the desktop has been deprecated. Microsoft no longer intends to add any new feature to it, just bug-fixes. That's sad, because the desktop found in Windows 7 is probably the best computer interface there is.
lol! and you still can't share a song/photo/video through the bluetooth on the latest iphone. yeah! they built it for the consumers. facetime works only with wifi, but they did it for the users! otoh, i've been video calling/skyping over 3.5g on 7yr old nokias, sending and receiving photos/music without any cell network usage. but you believe that apple " built a phone for consumers rather than for carriers". the ignorance, its unbelievable.
When Apple first announced the iPhone, Jobs said in an interview that he would be happy if the iPhone captured 3% of the global smartphone market. Mind you, at the time, the Blackberry and the Treo were pretty much the only smartphones that existed.
Nokia was at the time, the biggest provider of any type phones and Apple believed that they had no chance to compete in that market, especially since Nokia was making phones that cost a mere $20 after being subsidized by the carrier.
So, how did Apple, which started with a very meager outlook for sales, completely destroy not one, but at least two major cell-phone makers (RIM and Nokia)? Both of these companies are mere shells of what they once were, and Apple is stronger than ever.
How is Apple one of the biggest companies on the planet, making what are essentially digital "toys"? Very few people actually *need* a smartphone, but apparently, and even Apple didn't forsee this, people *want* a single device that can really do it all.
its this sort of stupid ignorance that helps apple sell its overhyped products and drives true innovators into the ground. nokia had been making perfectly capable smatphones since forever when the 1st iphone was launched.
i wouldn't want to see a nokia that makes cheap/generic android phones. it would be better to just close shop than insult the memory of the great n95 this way.
lumia 900 is nice, but to recover nokia needs a string of ultra-high-end windows phones with features nobody else has (pureview, rich recording are the obvious candidates). unless this happens, why there's no reason buy a nokia if i can get a decent android at the same price.
maybe someone played a joke on you. get this in your head: in signal reception, NOKIA ALWAYS WINS. especially against motorola, which has always been pos. ps: however, the lumia phones are average in this regard, a tell tale sign that nokia is indeed gone now.
exactly. nokia must not become just another android phone manufacturer. but to do that they need extensive research, which they did. until now. they're closing down r&d right and left. its utter lack of ambition that will finally kill nokia or reduce it to the level of what microsoft is in software now.
don't forget the iSheep who ran after shiny ui with zero substance rather than solid, feature-rich phones which did not limit the functionality of any tech (eg, bluetooth) to please cell networks.
you buy s/w from me. if it does what you want from it, why bother? if it doesn't demand your money back, i'm sure you'll get it back. why do you feel entitled to code that i worked on and do not want to show anyone? does rolex open up its factories for everyone to see how they make their watches? no. then why should apple?
have it anywhere you want, but this argument is not a good one in favor of ope source s/w. it makes it impossible for a non-coder to use any s/w. because how will they trust their s/w unless they see and understand the code?
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even today, when i'm studying, i have a pen in my hand and a (paper) notebook in front of me. laptops and tablets are just fancy ways to waste time, excuses for mediocre students who don't really want to study.
as far as i recall, they were called tablet pcs. i think there was a 'windows xp tablet pc edition' too.
The iPod had a better/more usable interface than any of its competitors at the time.
That is what the average person bought it for. Not specs/features.
Somehow, most people still don't seem to understand this.
the average person bought ipods because apple. Somehow, most people still don't seem to understand this.
i dont think there will be performance improvement. the gpu don't really care if a few pixels have to be transparent. and i they're not going to turn off compositing. that said, win8 does seem a lot faster than win7 on my laptop. the boot ups and shutdowns are lightning fast, even faster than mint.
i thought people in this thread wanted an alt+f2 alternative. that's what win+"type" is, and i think its much better than alt+f2 ever was.
i agree that menus have their use, and sadly microsoft seems to be systematically eliminating them.
IE 10: Better HTML 5 support - not much else - who cares?
most web devs do.
Sign in with MS Account: Who cares? Is anyone gonna use this?
yes.
Picture Password and PIN Login: Picture pass is kinda cool, but PIN login? Really?
whats so obviously wrong about PIN login?
Ribbon in Windows Explorer: Holy cow no thank you.
its actually much better than the win7 ui.
Hybrid Boot: Kinda cool - depends on how well it works.
my 2yr old i3 laptop with a 5400rpm hdd boots to metro in ~20 seconds. i think the new boot thingy is working pretty good.
Windows To Go - Officially supported BartPE. Yawn.
wtf is a bartpe? this right here is feature no other (good/usable) os has, and you yawn about it.
Refresh and Reset Recovery - How about making it so you don't need recovery in the first place? How is this better than a decent backup system?
they already have a superb backup and file versioning system. and refresh and reset are just specific implementations of that base functionality.
Native USB 3 - This shouldn't be a Windows 8 "feature," this should be in a service pack for Vista and Seven
usb3 works on win7.
New Windows Task Manager - Yawn
this thing beats the hell out of any other system monitor utility i've seen. the fact that you don't need it just means that you don't have any use of your pc beyond accessing facebook.
XBox Live integration - I don't think anyone will care about this - are they thinking about competing with steam? Good luck.
if this turns out to be any good, people won't even remember steam a few years from now. but i don't think they will, the xbox guys simply can't make anything nice for the pc (eg, gfwl).
Family Safety - Wasn't this included with Windows Live? Yawn
agree, yawn. any child worth his/her salt will learn how to go around the restrictions.
Antivirus in Windows Defender - In other words, they are just including MSE.
yes, which is pretty big. mse works very well, and its time people stopped wasting their money on spammy antivirus like norton.
Secure Boot Support - Holy cow no thank you
agree, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to the user. its just a mechanism to lock down the pc.
summary: win8 is a considerable improvement in terms of features. if you don't want ANY of those features, sucks to be you. but the os itself has more features. my main gripe with the whole thing is lack of an option to turn off the metro bits altogether. if i'm not using a touchscreen, why not just give me the regular desktop (i don't mind the non-transparent color scheme).
You can't be as effective, MS gets rid of the eye candy and features like Aero peak that I use every single day.
aero peek works fine in the consumer preview, dunno if they changed it in the latest build.
Metro apps are terribly under developed and underpowered. Just look at IE 10 and the Hotmail Metro apps? No cut and paste, no tabs, the hotmail one has 3 functions and it just hotmail.com in a fullscreen IE Window maximized!
there is cut and paste in ie10. the hotmail app is actuall the mail app, and it is quite feature-rich. maybe you used the original dev preview version, it was indeed very limited.
Me too. At home I use Windows just for gaming and occasionally for Excel, so I'll just install my good old Vista into the next PC too. There is no way I will pay for this "upgrade". I just wonder, what they will do for the professional version, as no company will waste their money for re-learning needed for that Win8 either. Perhaps XFCE and Linux provide finally a reasonable alternative for Windows at offices too.
*head asplodes*
This is not Metro. This is the Windows 7 - like part of the OS, they just made the color theme a bit more like Metro. Aero transparency was really jarring when you switched from Metro.
I think the desktop has been deprecated. Microsoft no longer intends to add any new feature to it, just bug-fixes. That's sad, because the desktop found in Windows 7 is probably the best computer interface there is.
or just start> type app name
i bet stupid iSheep will buy a stone stamped with the apple logo, as long as it's overpriced!
in the mid-nineties i was 5-6 years old, so i can't say anything. what i said applies to the post 2000 years.
lol! and you still can't share a song/photo/video through the bluetooth on the latest iphone. yeah! they built it for the consumers. facetime works only with wifi, but they did it for the users! otoh, i've been video calling/skyping over 3.5g on 7yr old nokias, sending and receiving photos/music without any cell network usage. but you believe that apple " built a phone for consumers rather than for carriers".
the ignorance, its unbelievable.
When Apple first announced the iPhone, Jobs said in an interview that he would be happy if the iPhone captured 3% of the global smartphone market. Mind you, at the time, the Blackberry and the Treo were pretty much the only smartphones that existed.
Nokia was at the time, the biggest provider of any type phones and Apple believed that they had no chance to compete in that market, especially since Nokia was making phones that cost a mere $20 after being subsidized by the carrier.
So, how did Apple, which started with a very meager outlook for sales, completely destroy not one, but at least two major cell-phone makers (RIM and Nokia)? Both of these companies are mere shells of what they once were, and Apple is stronger than ever.
How is Apple one of the biggest companies on the planet, making what are essentially digital "toys"? Very few people actually *need* a smartphone, but apparently, and even Apple didn't forsee this, people *want* a single device that can really do it all.
its this sort of stupid ignorance that helps apple sell its overhyped products and drives true innovators into the ground. nokia had been making perfectly capable smatphones since forever when the 1st iphone was launched.
reminds me: i used to write python scripts in my n95 before most people knew what a 'smart'phone was supposed to be.
i wouldn't want to see a nokia that makes cheap/generic android phones. it would be better to just close shop than insult the memory of the great n95 this way.
lumia 900 is nice, but to recover nokia needs a string of ultra-high-end windows phones with features nobody else has (pureview, rich recording are the obvious candidates). unless this happens, why there's no reason buy a nokia if i can get a decent android at the same price.
maybe someone played a joke on you. get this in your head: in signal reception, NOKIA ALWAYS WINS. especially against motorola, which has always been pos.
ps: however, the lumia phones are average in this regard, a tell tale sign that nokia is indeed gone now.
nokia bought navteq a few years ago for 8 billion. sad to see that now its own worth is 8 billion.
exactly. nokia must not become just another android phone manufacturer. but to do that they need extensive research, which they did. until now. they're closing down r&d right and left. its utter lack of ambition that will finally kill nokia or reduce it to the level of what microsoft is in software now.
don't forget the iSheep who ran after shiny ui with zero substance rather than solid, feature-rich phones which did not limit the functionality of any tech (eg, bluetooth) to please cell networks.
how cute! an annoyed idiot!
its actually the other way round: installing a hobo onto a king's throne.
you buy s/w from me. if it does what you want from it, why bother? if it doesn't demand your money back, i'm sure you'll get it back. why do you feel entitled to code that i worked on and do not want to show anyone? does rolex open up its factories for everyone to see how they make their watches? no. then why should apple?
have it anywhere you want, but this argument is not a good one in favor of ope source s/w. it makes it impossible for a non-coder to use any s/w. because how will they trust their s/w unless they see and understand the code?