No. Photoshop is a carbon application, which is based on the old Macintosh Toolbox. This is partly the reason for it's delay. Being one of the oldest apps from Adobe, it contains very significant amounts of old code. Most of which had to be re-written.
Trying not to be flamebait, but could you please show me a Free Software project in the same category as Photoshop (read, Graphics app) that even come close to matching PS's feature set and usability. And No... GIMP isn't even in the same league as Photoshop. I have tried both and speak from experience. Thats not to say GIMP isn't a good program, because it is.
I understand that you value free software, and for good reason. But Photoshop is THE app for OSX, as far as Apple's core graphics market is concerned.
Give please at least give credit where credit is due.
It's interesting that humans seem to be so hell-bent on engineering ourselves to extinction. Everyone here would have to admit that mother nature is a hell of a lot smarter then we are. As such, wouldn't you agree that if nature thinks someone be it man or woman shouldn't reproduce, then maybe science shouldn't step in and let them have children anyway?
The human race is getting weaker and weaker due to all the medicines and anti-biotics we take. It will be interesting to see what happens when those medicines stop having any effect on disease.
If you missed it, Apple just announced MacOS 9. While it is still based on the old code base, it is an improvement. The MacOS has been getting timely, regular updates.
When the MacOS X code base is ready for prime time, it too will be updated regularly.
I am using MacOS X Client now and it is very nice thankyou very much. As I said X Client is available to those that want it. As is the DEV builds of the Linux Kernal.
They used Intels OWN TESTS to benchmark the G4. They grabed all the tests Intel used on the PIII to make it look good, ported 'em to G4, ran them and beat the shit outta Intel...
Now thats funny.
Another thing about the G4... when typing it, if you give it a little SHIFT, you get G$
At least until there is a MacOS or MacOS X version of it. Seriously, there is NO SINGLE APPLICATION that would make me switch to Linux or WinBlows. If anyone want my money, they have to be on the Mac... And thats the way it is.
Not that really has much to do with StarOffice or Sun. It would be nice to see a Mac version. Currently there is no office suite that runs on all platforms. There is only MS Office (which is pretty cool) for Mac and AppleWorks (which rocks).
Another one would be nice, but if I cant run it... I dont want it. Simple.
That goes for all applications/games/whatevers. It may be the bast program in the world, but I could not give a damn if it is not for the mac.
Thats loyalty for ya.
If you are wondering why I love the mac so much, it is because the Mac has saved my company literally tens of thousands of dollars on support costs compared to windows.. let alone Linux.
RealNetworks on Linux. Ok.. Real can port their RealPlayer to Linux. Big deal. Real player is ONE application. It is not difficult to port such a small app like RealPlayer to Linux. One person could do it easily.
What is QT? QuickTime is NOT an application. It is an entire Media Architecture in itself. QT handles Video, Audio, Animations, Text, Panoramas. In version 5 It will include Speech and 3D.
This means that with QT, you can have a Panorama with a television in it with a live moving picture on it. Try doing that with RealPlayer.
Quicktime is also available to ANY application that supports it. For example... you can put a live streaming video inside a WORD document.
With new wired sprites... you can create an entire Application in a QuickTime movie.
Quicktime on Linux. Apple has already ported QT to BSD for the up-comming MacOS X. So after that is released... you might get a surprise.
See the problem with the Linux model of "get the software for free... pay for support" means that there is no incentive to make the software better... more intuitive... simpler.... easier, because it is in the "support peoples" interest to keep it all confusing and complicated.
Answer me this...
How many/. readers would have a job in a Linux support position it linux was as easy to use/understand/configure/maintain as the mac???
answer.... probably not many. Hence the fact that it is not very profitable being in the Macintosh support area. I speek from a position of authority here because I have been doing Mac support for about 6 years now and I can tell you... if I had been doing Winblows or Binux support I would be a wealthy man.
CASE POINT : Tim O'reily. Do you think he really wants Linux to be really easy and simple.
Short Answer.... NO.
By the way? How much do the guys at RedHat expect to make when they go public??? 20 million... 200 million?
Not bad for using other peoples hard work.
Basically... Stop baggin commercial companies cause for free software to exist... there has to be commercial companies. Even LINUS himself has admitted this. He even WORKs for a commercial company to put food on the table. Free software does not do this.
Apple has little credibility with the Linux community.
Ummm... and Apple really gives a shit about the Linux community?
Think about it this way...
Apple could have said... "No.. Fuck the linux community. We are not going to release any of our source at all."
Beggars cannot be choosers. Basically, linux needs every single bit of help it can get from Apple and every other commercial company.
You know, Apple.. if they wanted to.. could really screw linux to the wall in a commercial sence by just porting MacOS X to Intel.
I have tried the DR of MacOS X Client and it beats the shit out of Linux in terms of consistancy, ease of use and functionality. I can see the advertisements now.
"Why bother with the diffulticies of Linux when you can have the power of UNIX with the ease of use of the Macintosh. - Now on your Intel PC"
It probably wont happen any time soon... but it could... so be affraid.
Like I said before, stop bashing companies that are trying to help you.
they'll play by our rules
Ummm... which rules are these? Are these the rules that say you have to give away millions of dollars worth of R&D away for free, with no hope of renumeration? No Thanks. Those rules suck.
Power Computing. It was competition. So it was removed.
If cloneing was allowed to continue... Apple would not be around. The cloning issue is dead and done.. Go find a different issue.
Quicktime costs millions to maintain and build. QuickTime is still free but if you want the pro version... you pay. Apple still looses money on QuickTime.
I haven't been able to crash apache yet.
Apple is a comercial company which is in the business of making money. Which is EXACTLY what DedHat will be as soon as it finishes its IPO.
And of course with ide/scsi you can hot plug the drives, and pull the plug while it is writing a file, then plug it back in and have it automatically finish writing the file.
NOT!!!
Dont let the speed of this little drive fool you. How fast was SCSI and IDE in their first generation?
Firewire "A" is capable of handling 400mbs. That is 50 MegaBytes for all you people that cant do math.
Lucent has demoed prototypes of Firewire running at 1.2Gbs. Thats 150Mega BYTES per sec. Apple also has the specs for 2.4Gb Firewire with will be demoed in 2002.
Firewire is going to kick arse!
Also, check out the physical size of the drive. It fits in your coat pocket. The next generation will also be bootable.
Duh!
Dont knock technology when it is only young, cause when it grows up, it's gonna come back and knock your face into the ground!
In the long run, people won't make money by selling distributions, they will move into support.
BINGO!
So the software, when taken from a Total-Cost-Of-Ownership point of view is not FREE because to make it do what it is supposed to do, you have to pay for support.
Yes, I know that there will always be people out there that dont need support. Lucky Them. But for the most of us, running Linux will always require support due to its ever changing nature.
We don't care about royalty checks, thats the whole point! Proprietary software is immoral.
Exactly how is proprietory software immoral, and who made that judgement. Does this mean that say... a JumboJet is immoral because it uses proprietory software AND hardware to make it work?
What about cars for that matter. Does that fact that they are proprietory or at least contain proprietory parts make them immoral as well?
You just cannot bring morality into it because no one can be the judge as to what is moral and what is immoral.
I would also like to point out that Linus Torvalds himself works for a COMMERCIAL PROPRIETORTY company. Why? You ask? Because he has bills to pay and a living to make.
In case you ask, he used to work for Transmeta. (Probably one of the most secret companies I know of.) It is now rumored that he has gone to work for Elbros. They are creating the new E2k chip, and you can bet your bottom dollar that is it will be one VERY proprietory chip.
Isn't it funny that the OpenSource/FreeSoftware movement has never branched out to hardware. Why dont you go and bang on Intels new Blue Door and get them to release the P3 and the Xeon under the GPL. One can guess pretty accurately as to the answer you would get from Intel.
I am not too sure about BSD, but I know that you are supposed to pay for Apache if you use it in a commercial environment. I am also sure Apple payed its due to the Apache group for the rights to plaster the Apache logo over everything, and to include Apache as part of a standard distrobution.
If he has anything to do with RedHat et all.... I am not talking about companies who "Distribute" software which they have leeched off the people that wrote it.
You wait till RedHat goes public and the founders make millions. I think a few "Free Software" people will be slightly pissed off at that. Seeing as RedHat makes Bucks and they get nothing for their years of hard work in coding.
One thing has been proven. Capitalism works. Maybe not as well as it should, but if you keep adding zeros to a cheque, you can get whatever you want.
Slashdot Mirror
I am guessing your joking here, because just about anything can be used to organize murderous attacks. Including, but not limited too...
Paper planes, pencils, pens, telephones, email, morse code, cars, hand signals, the list goes on.
BTW, your more likely to be hit by a car than killed by a terrorist. (No disrespect to those that have been).
I am pretty sure GNUStep is WAY out of date with Cocoa. I don't think it would be an easy task to update it either.
Don't for though, most "Mac" applications are coming across as Carbon, which means they will only run under MacOS X.
No. Photoshop is a carbon application, which is based on the old Macintosh Toolbox. This is partly the reason for it's delay. Being one of the oldest apps from Adobe, it contains very significant amounts of old code. Most of which had to be re-written.
Trying not to be flamebait, but could you please show me a Free Software project in the same category as Photoshop (read, Graphics app) that even come close to matching PS's feature set and usability. And No... GIMP isn't even in the same league as Photoshop. I have tried both and speak from experience. Thats not to say GIMP isn't a good program, because it is.
I understand that you value free software, and for good reason. But Photoshop is THE app for OSX, as far as Apple's core graphics market is concerned.
Give please at least give credit where credit is due.
Wooo Hooo!!! Now I can write PHP scripts and colour-correct my CMYK pRon on the same machine! YAY for multitasking!
Firewire over glass fibre tops out at 3.2Gbs
3200 / 8 equals roughly 400 MegaBytes per second.
Show me a drive that can saturate that!
It's interesting that humans seem to be so hell-bent on engineering ourselves to extinction. Everyone here would have to admit that mother nature is a hell of a lot smarter then we are. As such, wouldn't you agree that if nature thinks someone be it man or woman shouldn't reproduce, then maybe science shouldn't step in and let them have children anyway?
The human race is getting weaker and weaker due to all the medicines and anti-biotics we take. It will be interesting to see what happens when those medicines stop having any effect on disease.
Ahh gotcha,
Much appreciated.
What are they and whats the difference?
Well actually, I have one sitting on my desk right now! It does smell a little bit though... does that count as Vapourware?
GET OVER THE FLOPPY WOULD YA!!!!!
If you love legacy hardware soooo much, go get yourself a nice XT with a 8 1/2 floppy drive and 2400 baud modem.
GET OVER THE FLOPPY!
If you missed it, Apple just announced MacOS 9. While it is still based on the old code base, it is an improvement. The MacOS has been getting timely, regular updates.
When the MacOS X code base is ready for prime time, it too will be updated regularly.
I am using MacOS X Client now and it is very nice thankyou very much. As I said X Client is available to those that want it. As is the DEV builds of the Linux Kernal.
Need I say more.
They used Intels OWN TESTS to benchmark the G4. They grabed all the tests Intel used on the PIII to make it look good, ported 'em to G4, ran them and beat the shit outta Intel...
;-)
Now thats funny.
Another thing about the G4... when typing it, if you give it a little SHIFT, you get G$
does Apple know something we dont
At least until there is a MacOS or MacOS X version of it. Seriously, there is NO SINGLE APPLICATION that would make me switch to Linux or WinBlows. If anyone want my money, they have to be on the Mac... And thats the way it is.
Not that really has much to do with StarOffice or Sun. It would be nice to see a Mac version. Currently there is no office suite that runs on all platforms. There is only MS Office (which is pretty cool) for Mac and AppleWorks (which rocks).
Another one would be nice, but if I cant run it... I dont want it. Simple.
That goes for all applications/games/whatevers. It may be the bast program in the world, but I could not give a damn if it is not for the mac.
Thats loyalty for ya.
If you are wondering why I love the mac so much, it is because the Mac has saved my company literally tens of thousands of dollars on support costs compared to windows.. let alone Linux.
Where do I start.
RealNetworks on Linux.
Ok.. Real can port their RealPlayer to Linux. Big deal. Real player is ONE application. It is not difficult to port such a small app like RealPlayer to Linux. One person could do it easily.
What is QT?
QuickTime is NOT an application. It is an entire Media Architecture in itself. QT handles Video, Audio, Animations, Text, Panoramas. In version 5 It will include Speech and 3D.
This means that with QT, you can have a Panorama with a television in it with a live moving picture on it. Try doing that with RealPlayer.
Quicktime is also available to ANY application that supports it. For example... you can put a live streaming video inside a WORD document.
With new wired sprites... you can create an entire Application in a QuickTime movie.
Quicktime on Linux.
Apple has already ported QT to BSD for the up-comming MacOS X. So after that is released... you might get a surprise.
Hmmm.. silence.
I think I made my point with my previous comment.
See the problem with the Linux model of "get the software for free... pay for support" means that there is no incentive to make the software better... more intuitive... simpler.... easier, because it is in the "support peoples" interest to keep it all confusing and complicated.
/. readers would have a job in a Linux support position it linux was as easy to use/understand/configure/maintain as the mac???
Answer me this...
How many
answer.... probably not many. Hence the fact that it is not very profitable being in the Macintosh support area. I speek from a position of authority here because I have been doing Mac support for about 6 years now and I can tell you... if I had been doing Winblows or Binux support I would be a wealthy man.
CASE POINT : Tim O'reily. Do you think he really wants Linux to be really easy and simple.
Short Answer.... NO.
By the way? How much do the guys at RedHat expect to make when they go public??? 20 million... 200 million?
Not bad for using other peoples hard work.
Basically... Stop baggin commercial companies cause for free software to exist... there has to be commercial companies. Even LINUS himself has admitted this. He even WORKs for a commercial company to put food on the table. Free software does not do this.
Apple has little credibility with the Linux community.
Ummm... and Apple really gives a shit about the Linux community?
Think about it this way...
Apple could have said... "No.. Fuck the linux community. We are not going to release any of our source at all."
Beggars cannot be choosers. Basically, linux needs every single bit of help it can get from Apple and every other commercial company.
You know, Apple.. if they wanted to.. could really screw linux to the wall in a commercial sence by just porting MacOS X to Intel.
I have tried the DR of MacOS X Client and it beats the shit out of Linux in terms of consistancy, ease of use and functionality. I can see the advertisements now.
"Why bother with the diffulticies of Linux when you can have the power of UNIX with the ease of use of the Macintosh. - Now on your Intel PC"
It probably wont happen any time soon... but it could... so be affraid.
Like I said before, stop bashing companies that are trying to help you.
they'll play by our rules
Ummm... which rules are these? Are these the rules that say you have to give away millions of dollars worth of R&D away for free, with no hope of renumeration? No Thanks. Those rules suck.
Power Computing. It was competition. So it was removed.
If cloneing was allowed to continue... Apple would not be around. The cloning issue is dead and done.. Go find a different issue.
Quicktime costs millions to maintain and build. QuickTime is still free but if you want the pro version... you pay. Apple still looses money on QuickTime.
I haven't been able to crash apache yet.
Apple is a comercial company which is in the business of making money. Which is EXACTLY what DedHat will be as soon as it finishes its IPO.
Linux is becomming comercial.
Deal with it.
P.S. Welcome to the real world.
Why not try WebObjects. It is the best App server out there and you can write the whole thing in Java if you want to.
Runs on Solaris, HP-UX, NT and MacOS X
Uh huh!
And of course with ide/scsi you can hot plug the drives, and pull the plug while it is writing a file, then plug it back in and have it automatically finish writing the file.
NOT!!!
Dont let the speed of this little drive fool you. How fast was SCSI and IDE in their first generation?
Firewire "A" is capable of handling 400mbs. That is 50 MegaBytes for all you people that cant do math.
Lucent has demoed prototypes of Firewire running at 1.2Gbs. Thats 150Mega BYTES per sec. Apple also has the specs for 2.4Gb Firewire with will be demoed in 2002.
Firewire is going to kick arse!
Also, check out the physical size of the drive. It fits in your coat pocket. The next generation will also be bootable.
Duh!
Dont knock technology when it is only young, cause when it grows up, it's gonna come back and knock your face into the ground!
Would you change your tune if Apple ported QuickTime to... hmmm lets see....
Linux??????
In the long run, people won't make money by selling distributions, they will move into support.
BINGO!
So the software, when taken from a Total-Cost-Of-Ownership point of view is not FREE because to make it do what it is supposed to do, you have to pay for support.
Yes, I know that there will always be people out there that dont need support. Lucky Them. But for the most of us, running Linux will always require support due to its ever changing nature.
We don't care about royalty checks, thats the whole point! Proprietary software is immoral.
Exactly how is proprietory software immoral, and who made that judgement. Does this mean that say... a JumboJet is immoral because it uses proprietory software AND hardware to make it work?
What about cars for that matter. Does that fact that they are proprietory or at least contain proprietory parts make them immoral as well?
You just cannot bring morality into it because no one can be the judge as to what is moral and what is immoral.
I would also like to point out that Linus Torvalds himself works for a COMMERCIAL PROPRIETORTY company. Why? You ask? Because he has bills to pay and a living to make.
In case you ask, he used to work for Transmeta. (Probably one of the most secret companies I know of.) It is now rumored that he has gone to work for Elbros. They are creating the new E2k chip, and you can bet your bottom dollar that is it will be one VERY proprietory chip.
Isn't it funny that the OpenSource/FreeSoftware movement has never branched out to hardware. Why dont you go and bang on Intels new Blue Door and get them to release the P3 and the Xeon under the GPL. One can guess pretty accurately as to the answer you would get from Intel.
I am not too sure about BSD, but I know that you are supposed to pay for Apache if you use it in a commercial environment. I am also sure Apple payed its due to the Apache group for the rights to plaster the Apache logo over everything, and to include Apache as part of a standard distrobution.
Who's Bob Young?
If he has anything to do with RedHat et all.... I am not talking about companies who "Distribute" software which they have leeched off the people that wrote it.
You wait till RedHat goes public and the founders make millions. I think a few "Free Software" people will be slightly pissed off at that. Seeing as RedHat makes Bucks and they get nothing for their years of hard work in coding.
One thing has been proven. Capitalism works. Maybe not as well as it should, but if you keep adding zeros to a cheque, you can get whatever you want.