I hope you remember this when you think about the healthcare debate. Many healthcare providers refuse to cover or severely limit coverage for depression, one more reason a public option is needed to keep them honest.
For some reason I don't see nationalized health care as innately unconservative. IT seems rather Christian to see that everyone gets a doctor, IMHO. Unlibertarian yes, but unconservative no.
I love how all the computer companies have these new-age wonderful human mottos for their products, like "Unite", and then cut deals with dictators to try and make a couple of extra bucks.
You could make the argument that for many people the 1940s-1950s was the present local peak of the USA. Since that time, due to resource exhaustion, increasing population and foolish trade deals, the standard of living has dropped in relative terms, the opportunities are not what they were, there's more aggravation, less optimism. The writing is worse, reporting is worse, the arts are terrible and people actually build less and make less. We're just shoved into boxes with sex and drugs but can't really ever get out of it, lest we bump into someone else's box. Yeah, if you weren't white, it sucked, but I'd bet we'd reach a point where due to declining wealth, where even the disenfranchised black guy in the 1940s had more real wealth than a near future free black guy of today. Certainly this is true in Detroit...
It's like an attempt to paint yourself as a moral person, while being lazy and not doing anything anyway.
Not really. He could just say, "yeah, I hate how Opera deals with China.. but they still make a pretty good browser."
Do you propose we work to overthrow the Chinese government? I thought we learned from the Bush administration that idealistic crusades are a heap of trouble in their own right. Maybe at some point you have to say "screw the Chinese people", and move on.
The whole "we're indexed by Google" story is just butchered. Nobody uses Google or any search engine to look for content on or drive traffic to a news site like the WSJ or Fox. The brand is already there and people just use it. AT most, people use Google to find where the WSJ site is. If these sites had content that got page ranked, or was useful, perhaps it would be different, but they don't. The real story here is that media sites have terrible content, and Rupert just doesn't get it.
So really, Microsoft is writing Fox a giant check to accomplish absolutely nothing. Microsoft should at least know better, even if Fox doesn't. But they don't, and that says miles about how dumb Redmond is these days.
The whole Windows refund thing is ridiculous. Please, just go into a restaraunt, and see how much you can get discounted because you order a dinner with green beans instead of mash potatoes. Maybe buy a car without the original set of tires and get some other tire swapped. If you don't want a computer with Windows, don't buy a computer with Windows. It's pretty basic.
Most good Japanese restaraunts have the difference between Sushi and Sashimi on page 1 of their menu, and more Americans than you think know the difference.
No, I mean we need to use averages over some time period. You pretend we don't, so that you can easily 'falsify' predictions using a metric you pulled out of your own arse.
you: 100 years from now, the earth will be 6C warmer me: linear interpolates to this year. you: says y=mx+b is not shape of curve. me: what is shape then? you (and everyone else): well its some magical thing...
I'm just asking, what's the function of prediction?
They're not going to increase without limit forever, but there certainly is enough remaining fossil fuel for CO2 to increase beyond today's levels, and thus for warming rates to accelerate.
not really actually. ok in the case of natural gas, there's a lot of it, but that's methane and burning it is actually almost better because methane is terrible..
coal, despite its supporters, is actually running out. Used to be all coal was really hard anthracite.. now we're onto cheaper coals. Germany is practically out of anything but lignite, which is pretty shitty coal.
dick cheney himself said repeatedly in late 1990s that the world was screwed for oil.
In the US, is it unusual for employees to be covered by an insurance policy paid by the employer
No, that's the common case, yes. But disability coverage is usually pretty short, like maybe a few months, after which, long term disabled get tossed onto the government.
You can drive whatever car you like for all I care. But you better compensate the rest of us if you damage our mutual environment.
So, what gives you the right to say that the environment is yours? If you can claim a right to say how it should be disposed, then, I have the same right too.
But...I say the atmosphere is mine, and really, you ought to be mailing me a check for even breathing.
Nonetheless, that is exactly the kind of environment where a lot of the Surface Stations [surfacestations.org] are located. Makes me question the data...
Or not even that. It could be that 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, nobody really gave a shit about making the measurement super accurate because it didn't need to be at that time. It kinda needed be in the ballpark, so if it was off, who really cared. Now people are looking at the data and cooking it in a bunch of different ways to try and make it "good", with statistical tools, but sometimes, when you are giving a dead guy CPR, he's gonna stay dead. The only thing we have that's credible and consistent is the satellite. Woodshole plunging a thermometer into a bucket of water it pulled from the ocean or a guy with a thermometer attached to his shed just doesn't cut it any more.
Nonsense. This is only true if it's a linear relationship. Given that the greenhouse effect involves a complex feedback cycle, that is not a valid assumption.
So it can be an exponential function, whatever, but you can either give me intermediate steps of some kind between now and 6C, perhaps by year, or certainly by decade, or you cannot. If you cannot, then quit trying to pretend that 6C actually means something because it means your number is crap. If you want me to believe in it, then that's fine, but you are making a religious argument, not a scientific one. Science is for things that you can test, and the moment you told me you cannot test 6C, you told me that it wasn't science.
Yes, and that's 0.06 per year or 0.06/365 per day. Sorry, but your "test" is simply not credible at all. There will always be natural variation on top of everything else.
Dude, that's a stupid argument.
At the end of the day, if you make predictions that can be interpolated, using some linear or non-linear function, you have science. If you cannot, you don't.
So, do you mean to tell me that this 6C cannot be tracked until we magically arrive at 100 years from now? I think unless you give me an F(X) for temperature, you do not have science. You have religion. I'm assuming that the 6C is the basis of some F(X). If it cannot be, then, all you have is religion and 6C is crap.
As stated in a dozen comments in this topic, the article is about disability insurance to replace wages, not about access to health care.
My point is that in the USA disability benefits are already provided by federal and state governments. Tis a shame that Canadians are unable to provide for the long term needs of the disabled.
Bottom line, insurance companies HAVE to take the advice of "trusted" professionals, trusted or not, really. That is why we have doctors and lawyers etc - we must have someone who has the proper knowledge to make the ultimate decisi
The problem is that doctors are rather incented to declare people sick, so insurers will pay them. And, there are so many doctors in the USA, if you cannot find one doctor to declare you sick, you can always go to another.
I'm wondering, for a second here, why Canadians need to have private health insurance? I thought under Canadian law insurance companies were barred from insuring anything the government does. So does this mean that Canadian health insurance does not include mental health?
That's deep, almost makes me want to find a quack doc and become "clinically depressed", maybe even start collecting payments, seeing as how I won't be able to work
I see a great opportunity for a web site that diagnoses climate change depression and pays for the disability with a tax on liberal industries such as record companies, tv, and movies.
Is there some reason you picked the Channel TLT data and not the, say, Channel TLS data which reports a negative 0.325 K/decade?
The TLT channel is for lower troposphere and it is, indeed, the closest to ground level.
Satellite temperatures are better for climate purposes because ground stations temperatures also pick up heat radiated from the ground and other buildings. Indeed, one of the great points of criticism made about global climate is weather or not the current level state of ground measuring statements is both consistent and accurate. I'd assume that they are not.
The satellite, because it is the same instrument and same methodology, is consistent, and so in my lay opinion, is the more reliable source of information when considering global climate trends.
I have a few friends who suffer, and if they were not receiving medication and therapy, they would never have the will to see daylight, let alone accomplish anything
I'm not biting the bullet by myself. Wellbutrin is the greatest thing ever invented and I've got no problem writing out the 2 cents per paycheck to the FEds or my insurance so that people that need psych meds can get them. Without meds, its just aweful.
All the emissions stuff they have strapped to your engine are to control particulate emissions. The combustion, or the operation of the engine itself, is what they are after. IF anything, cleaning up the soot from your engine probably made asthma sufferers worse and also increased the planetary temperature because nature can deal with larger particulates better than it can the really tiny aerosols. So basically, in order to be able to have motive power and not have all of our buildings and trees stained black, we've torched the planet. The hippies screwed up, but so did we.
Unlike Hadley, RSS uses satellite data, is consistent, and is open. They DO report a current trend of.15K per decade. This is far lower than the forecast.
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I hope you remember this when you think about the healthcare debate.
Many healthcare providers refuse to cover or severely limit coverage for depression, one more reason a public option is needed to keep them honest.
For some reason I don't see nationalized health care as innately unconservative. IT seems rather Christian to see that everyone gets a doctor, IMHO. Unlibertarian yes, but unconservative no.
I love how all the computer companies have these new-age wonderful human mottos for their products, like "Unite", and then cut deals with dictators to try and make a couple of extra bucks.
You could make the argument that for many people the 1940s-1950s was the present local peak of the USA. Since that time, due to resource exhaustion, increasing population and foolish trade deals, the standard of living has dropped in relative terms, the opportunities are not what they were, there's more aggravation, less optimism. The writing is worse, reporting is worse, the arts are terrible and people actually build less and make less. We're just shoved into boxes with sex and drugs but can't really ever get out of it, lest we bump into someone else's box. Yeah, if you weren't white, it sucked, but I'd bet we'd reach a point where due to declining wealth, where even the disenfranchised black guy in the 1940s had more real wealth than a near future free black guy of today. Certainly this is true in Detroit...
Until then, they owe the refund under the terms of their license to distribute Windows. It's pretty basic.
No, they don't.
It's like an attempt to paint yourself as a moral person, while being lazy and not doing anything anyway.
Not really. He could just say, "yeah, I hate how Opera deals with China.. but they still make a pretty good browser."
Do you propose we work to overthrow the Chinese government? I thought we learned from the Bush administration that idealistic crusades are a heap of trouble in their own right. Maybe at some point you have to say "screw the Chinese people", and move on.
The whole "we're indexed by Google" story is just butchered. Nobody uses Google or any search engine to look for content on or drive traffic to a news site like the WSJ or Fox. The brand is already there and people just use it. AT most, people use Google to find where the WSJ site is. If these sites had content that got page ranked, or was useful, perhaps it would be different, but they don't. The real story here is that media sites have terrible content, and Rupert just doesn't get it.
So really, Microsoft is writing Fox a giant check to accomplish absolutely nothing. Microsoft should at least know better, even if Fox doesn't. But they don't, and that says miles about how dumb Redmond is these days.
Ballmer, you are moron!
The whole Windows refund thing is ridiculous. Please, just go into a restaraunt, and see how much you can get discounted because you order a dinner with green beans instead of mash potatoes. Maybe buy a car without the original set of tires and get some other tire swapped. If you don't want a computer with Windows, don't buy a computer with Windows. It's pretty basic.
Most good Japanese restaraunts have the difference between Sushi and Sashimi on page 1 of their menu, and more Americans than you think know the difference.
No, I mean we need to use averages over some time period. You pretend we don't, so that you can easily 'falsify' predictions using a metric you pulled out of your own arse.
you: 100 years from now, the earth will be 6C warmer
me: linear interpolates to this year.
you: says y=mx+b is not shape of curve.
me: what is shape then?
you (and everyone else): well its some magical thing...
I'm just asking, what's the function of prediction?
They're not going to increase without limit forever, but there certainly is enough remaining fossil fuel for CO2 to increase beyond today's levels, and thus for warming rates to accelerate.
not really actually. ok in the case of natural gas, there's a lot of it, but that's methane and burning it is actually almost better because methane is terrible..
coal, despite its supporters, is actually running out. Used to be all coal was really hard anthracite.. now we're onto cheaper coals. Germany is practically out of anything but lignite, which is pretty shitty coal.
dick cheney himself said repeatedly in late 1990s that the world was screwed for oil.
Warming rates are projected to increase over time as more CO2 is added to the atmosphere, for obvious reasons;
But they can't, because there's not enough shit to burn.
In the US, is it unusual for employees to be covered by an insurance policy paid by the employer
No, that's the common case, yes. But disability coverage is usually pretty short, like maybe a few months, after which, long term disabled get tossed onto the government.
If you live in a society what you do affects others, and you're going to have to adapt to some degree. Deal with it.
We plan on it. There's more than one way to settle a territorial dispute.
You can drive whatever car you like for all I care. But you better compensate the rest of us if you damage our mutual environment.
So, what gives you the right to say that the environment is yours? If you can claim a right to say how it should be disposed, then, I have the same right too.
But...I say the atmosphere is mine, and really, you ought to be mailing me a check for even breathing.
Nonetheless, that is exactly the kind of environment where a lot of the Surface Stations [surfacestations.org] are located. Makes me question the data...
Or not even that. It could be that 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, nobody really gave a shit about making the measurement super accurate because it didn't need to be at that time. It kinda needed be in the ballpark, so if it was off, who really cared. Now people are looking at the data and cooking it in a bunch of different ways to try and make it "good", with statistical tools, but sometimes, when you are giving a dead guy CPR, he's gonna stay dead. The only thing we have that's credible and consistent is the satellite. Woodshole plunging a thermometer into a bucket of water it pulled from the ocean or a guy with a thermometer attached to his shed just doesn't cut it any more.
Nonsense. This is only true if it's a linear relationship. Given that the greenhouse effect involves a complex feedback cycle, that is not a valid assumption.
So it can be an exponential function, whatever, but you can either give me intermediate steps of some kind between now and 6C, perhaps by year, or certainly by decade, or you cannot. If you cannot, then quit trying to pretend that 6C actually means something because it means your number is crap. If you want me to believe in it, then that's fine, but you are making a religious argument, not a scientific one. Science is for things that you can test, and the moment you told me you cannot test 6C, you told me that it wasn't science.
Yes, and that's 0.06 per year or 0.06/365 per day. Sorry, but your "test" is simply not credible at all. There will always be natural variation on top of everything else.
Dude, that's a stupid argument.
At the end of the day, if you make predictions that can be interpolated, using some linear or non-linear function, you have science. If you cannot, you don't.
So, do you mean to tell me that this 6C cannot be tracked until we magically arrive at 100 years from now? I think unless you give me an F(X) for temperature, you do not have science. You have religion. I'm assuming that the 6C is the basis of some F(X). If it cannot be, then, all you have is religion and 6C is crap.
As stated in a dozen comments in this topic, the article is about disability insurance to replace wages, not about access to health care.
My point is that in the USA disability benefits are already provided by federal and state governments. Tis a shame that Canadians are unable to provide for the long term needs of the disabled.
Bottom line, insurance companies HAVE to take the advice of "trusted" professionals, trusted or not, really. That is why we have doctors and lawyers etc - we must have someone who has the proper knowledge to make the ultimate decisi
The problem is that doctors are rather incented to declare people sick, so insurers will pay them. And, there are so many doctors in the USA, if you cannot find one doctor to declare you sick, you can always go to another.
I'm wondering, for a second here, why Canadians need to have private health insurance? I thought under Canadian law insurance companies were barred from insuring anything the government does. So does this mean that Canadian health insurance does not include mental health?
How barbaric!
That's deep, almost makes me want to find a quack doc and become "clinically depressed", maybe even start collecting payments, seeing as how I won't be able to work
I see a great opportunity for a web site that diagnoses climate change depression and pays for the disability with a tax on liberal industries such as record companies, tv, and movies.
Is there some reason you picked the Channel TLT data and not the, say, Channel TLS data which reports a negative 0.325 K/decade?
The TLT channel is for lower troposphere and it is, indeed, the closest to ground level.
Satellite temperatures are better for climate purposes because ground stations temperatures also pick up heat radiated from the ground and other buildings. Indeed, one of the great points of criticism made about global climate is weather or not the current level state of ground measuring statements is both consistent and accurate. I'd assume that they are not.
The satellite, because it is the same instrument and same methodology, is consistent, and so in my lay opinion, is the more reliable source of information when considering global climate trends.
I have a few friends who suffer, and if they were not receiving medication and therapy, they would never have the will to see daylight, let alone accomplish anything
I'm not biting the bullet by myself. Wellbutrin is the greatest thing ever invented and I've got no problem writing out the 2 cents per paycheck to the FEds or my insurance so that people that need psych meds can get them. Without meds, its just aweful.
All the emissions stuff they have strapped to your engine are to control particulate emissions. The combustion, or the operation of the engine itself, is what they are after. IF anything, cleaning up the soot from your engine probably made asthma sufferers worse and also increased the planetary temperature because nature can deal with larger particulates better than it can the really tiny aerosols. So basically, in order to be able to have motive power and not have all of our buildings and trees stained black, we've torched the planet. The hippies screwed up, but so did we.
Woops.
At least we now have some falsifiability in this.
IF the forecast temperature rise is 6C per century, then it is .6C per decade. Let's see what we have so far:
http://www.remss.com/msu/msu_data_description.html#msu_decadal_trends
Unlike Hadley, RSS uses satellite data, is consistent, and is open. They DO report a current trend of .15K per decade. This is far lower than the forecast.