It is speculative as when DVD pirating will become economic via DeCSS. Additional compression will only come with a loss of quality.
The source that you linked to was css-auth from the LiViD CVS. It was not the windows program DeCSS. The readme file instructs you to use it by piping the output to a player.
Have you read up on these cases? The EFF site http://www.eff.org has an affadavit on Norwegian Law which very clearly states that people have the right to reverse engineer and that EULAs can not take that right away. The California case is toast.
The DVD CCA has come up with direct quotes from the defendents in the CA case that they knowingly and willingly ignored and violated federal law.
You're reading *way* too much into those statements. They don't admit to violating the law. The admit that they are likely to get (wrongfully) charged with breaking the law. Big difference.
After reading the transcript of the NY hearing, it's pretty clear that we have an uphill battle on the MPAA cases. But, even there, the eventual outcome is far from certain. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I find it amazing that people could be so blind, so steeped in doublethink as to not only believe that DeCSS is can only be used to play movies in Linux, but to outright attack anything that doesn't conform to whatever it is they choose to believe.
You've been called a Troll because you misrepresent what is being said here.
No one here thinks or says that DeCSS can only be used to play movies. The comments that you have misread are that the or intent of the writers of DeCSS was to help design a DVD player for Linux. Other comments that you misread say correctly that it is economically foolish to use DeCSS for piracy. I suppose you can reencode it as a VCD and (illegally) pass it around, but why would you want to? CVD has terrible quality. You get better results by defeating the Macrovision and recording the movie on a VCR.
I've already posted that DeCSS should be allowed to die because it has fufilled its purpose and that css-auth should be mirrored, but the legal case against DeCSS needs to be defended because css-auth derives from it.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Let's ignore the expense and difficulty of this step for the moment. The plaitiffs are out there portraying the defendants as pirates. If we walk into court and demonstrate piracy, then we make the plaintiff's case for them.
The case is not about piracy. To address that is to fall into the trap that the DVD CCA and the MPAA have placed. The case is about fair use and freedom within the context of respect for the principles of copyright. The only demonstration that needs to be done is to play a DVD on a Linux system.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
The truly sad part is that all they have to do is A) stop putting out the most popular music in the old format and B) provide some thin shell of an argument for the technical superiority of the new system and gullible people will start buying.
I don't think so. (A) They won't cut their revenue source until there is a sufficient market share for the new format. And (B) DIVX demonstrates that consumers will not buy an alternative that put's business' interestests before theirs. Encyrpted CDs will die because no one will buy the players.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Look at the URLs that you've posted. These are AP and Reuters wire copy, not ABC copy.
That said, I expect that Disney won't try to fool with the ABC News Division. Remember how CBS got skewered for replaing an NBC logo with its own through digital minipulation? I suspect that other outlets would be all over ABC News if they tried to skew the story. I expect that it won't be a perfect story from our point of view, but I expect that it won't be a bomb.
Say, whatever happened to that Mike from ABC guy who used to post on/.?
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I've already written a post on why DeCSS should die and why we should be mirroring css-auth from the LiViD CVS. But, just because DeCSS is a Windows program dosn't mean that it wasn't necessary at the time in order to develop a Linux player. How can you present the product of your limited worldview as reality when you know the DVD CCA lawyers are reading/.?
In fact, the code from DeCSS was used to develop css-auth. If DeCSS falls as a misappropriated trade secret (the Ca. DVD CCA case) or as a violation of the DMCA (the NY and Ct MPAA cases)then css-auth likely falls too.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Wrong motion. Your link points to a 1/10 motion to seal. The motion to seal that was heard yesterday was with regard to the Hoy declaration which was a plaintiff affadavit.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
My font sizes in Mozilla are small enough to be almost unreadable.
Did you even read the release notes? They give several fixes if your experience this problem which has been a problem since sites began being "optimised" for IE. Mozilla actually fixes the problem. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
In this post I state "I sincerely doubt that the DVD CCA or MPAA lawyers are so stupid as to allow unsealed CSS source into open court records." I hereby retract that statement.
But this has to be very embarassing for the high-priced DVD CCA lawyers.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
You see, when DVD-CCA filed its nice little lawsuit against DeCSS, it included the DeCSS source in its filing. The court has to release that filing to the public, and did so. That filing, and everything in it, are now in the public domain, if I am not mistaken.
You are mistaken. Despite the story posted yesterday on Slashdot, the CSS source has not been made part of the public record in the case. The plaintiffs requested and the judge granted that the CSS source be sealed records. They are not publically available from the court nor are they in the public domain. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I see that you've repented of your rash statements, so I'll go easy on you.;^)
The link in the article dosn't lead to a court web site. It leads to someone's private site. The EFF would have received copies of the plaintiff's affadivits even if they were sealed and they probably shared them with some defendants. I think that someof the DVD CCA's filings were available on the EFF site though I don't remember seeing this one there.
I suggest that someone got a copy of this from a defendant (notice that it says "Hardcopy from Anonymous" near the top of the cryptome page) and decided to post it.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
From all indications that I have, the DVD CCA lawyers did ask the judge to seal the CSS code that they submitted and he complied. I think that the report that they are in open court records is dead wrong.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's called sealing court records. When the DVDCCA submitted the printout of the CSS source code into evidence at the original hearing, they asked that the court seal the record. That way, they get it their way. They get the evidence in the court record and they make it so that no one can go to the courthouse and retrieve a copy.
I sincerely doubt that the DVD CCA or MPAA lawyers are so stupid as to allow unsealed CSS source into open court records. I looked at the site where the story came from and all I can suggest is that the people who posted it are misinformed.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
if the two are identical why in the world would I pay for the commercial version? I think you have answered your own question. You would pay for the non-GPLed version if you want to do something with it that the GPL does not allow -- i.e. make and release binary only versions. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's really hard to say. It seems to me that CSS is the copy protection protecting the DVD movie which is the copyrighted work. The reverse engineering exemption allows subverting an access control mechanism for the purpose of inteoperability between computer programs which is whi I was trying to make the case that theDVD movie can be considered a computer program. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Actually, the auto manufacturers have invented systems that could be considered copy-protection on their intellectual property. Bullshit. There is no copyright issue there. Concentrate on the problems we face today, not imaginary ones from your paranoid dreams. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Not funny. This is serious stuff. 31337 speak will not impress anyone. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Automobiles are not subject to copy protection. The DCMA will not prohibit reverse engineering of any automobile or other nuts and bolts product. I will write a letter tonight. I will politely state that I own a computer system that runs the Linux operating system and that I wish to play legitimately purchased DVDs on my computer system. The techonological protection section of the DCMA prevents me from doing so and prevents the programmers who have been writing such software from doing so unless an exemption is granted for personal use of DVD media under alternate operating systems. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I can't imagine how you managed to pack so much mis-information in a four sentance post when two of then were questions. The restraining order was against three defendants in New York. There has never been a declaration that it is legal to post DeCSS in California. The MPAA will likely take the New York TRO around and try to intimidate others into taking it down, but they really can't do that either. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Don't make too much of this. In order to receive a temporary restraining order, all that they have to show is a prima facie case and a likelihood to win on the merits. The California case failed to receive a TRO because their trade secret case was obviously full of holes from day 1. It does not mean that the judge has prejudged the case or that the defense will not be allowed to present their defense. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
The complaint against 2600 was for violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which makes it illegal to circumvent a protection system that controls access to a copyrighted work. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's only remains a crutch if there's no compelling reason to move on past it. OS/2 offered little that Windows itself didn't offer, but if native apps were faster, that would be plenty of incentive to move past the transition layer.
Note to Moderators: Flamebait?!? You couldn't tell flamebait if it scorched your shorts. I gave a personal impression (Why *I* was disappointed, not Why you should be) and I backed it up with facts. What I expected, and what I got. Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
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It is speculative as when DVD pirating will become economic via DeCSS. Additional compression will only come with a loss of quality.
/dvd/video_ts/vts_01_[1-9].vob|css-cat -v1P -|mpeg2player -vob -f -
The source that you linked to was css-auth from the LiViD CVS. It was not the windows program DeCSS. The readme file instructs you to use it by piping the output to a player.
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Ripping DVDs to VCDs was done before DeCSS was released. All of the tools that I'm aware of to do this don't use DeCSS.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Have you read up on these cases? The EFF site http://www.eff.org has an affadavit on Norwegian Law which very clearly states that people have the right to reverse engineer and that EULAs can not take that right away. The California case is toast.
The DVD CCA has come up with direct quotes from the defendents in the CA case that they knowingly and willingly ignored and violated federal law.
You're reading *way* too much into those statements. They don't admit to violating the law. The admit that they are likely to get (wrongfully) charged with breaking the law. Big difference.
After reading the transcript of the NY hearing, it's pretty clear that we have an uphill battle on the MPAA cases. But, even there, the eventual outcome is far from certain.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I find it amazing that people could be so blind, so steeped in doublethink as to not only believe that DeCSS is can only be used to play movies in Linux, but to outright attack anything that doesn't conform to whatever it is they choose to believe.
You've been called a Troll because you misrepresent what is being said here.
No one here thinks or says that DeCSS can only be used to play movies. The comments that you have misread are that the or intent of the writers of DeCSS was to help design a DVD player for Linux. Other comments that you misread say correctly that it is economically foolish to use DeCSS for piracy. I suppose you can reencode it as a VCD and (illegally) pass it around, but why would you want to? CVD has terrible quality. You get better results by defeating the Macrovision and recording the movie on a VCR.
I've already posted that DeCSS should be allowed to die because it has fufilled its purpose and that css-auth should be mirrored, but the legal case against DeCSS needs to be defended because css-auth derives from it.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Let's ignore the expense and difficulty of this step for the moment. The plaitiffs are out there portraying the defendants as pirates. If we walk into court and demonstrate piracy, then we make the plaintiff's case for them.
The case is not about piracy. To address that is to fall into the trap that the DVD CCA and the MPAA have placed. The case is about fair use and freedom within the context of respect for the principles of copyright. The only demonstration that needs to be done is to play a DVD on a Linux system.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
The truly sad part is that all they have to do is A) stop putting out the most popular music in the old format and B) provide some thin shell of an argument for the technical superiority of the new system and gullible people will start buying.
I don't think so. (A) They won't cut their revenue source until there is a sufficient market share for the new format. And (B) DIVX demonstrates that consumers will not buy an alternative that put's business' interestests before theirs. Encyrpted CDs will die because no one will buy the players.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Look at the URLs that you've posted. These are AP and Reuters wire copy, not ABC copy.
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That said, I expect that Disney won't try to fool with the ABC News Division. Remember how CBS got skewered for replaing an NBC logo with its own through digital minipulation? I suspect that other outlets would be all over ABC News if they tried to skew the story. I expect that it won't be a perfect story from our point of view, but I expect that it won't be a bomb.
Say, whatever happened to that Mike from ABC guy who used to post on
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I've already written a post on why DeCSS should die and why we should be mirroring css-auth from the LiViD CVS. But, just because DeCSS is a Windows program dosn't mean that it wasn't necessary at the time in order to develop a Linux player. How can you present the product of your limited worldview as reality when you know the DVD CCA lawyers are reading /.?
In fact, the code from DeCSS was used to develop css-auth. If DeCSS falls as a misappropriated trade secret (the Ca. DVD CCA case) or as a violation of the DMCA (the NY and Ct MPAA cases)then css-auth likely falls too.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Wrong motion. Your link points to a 1/10 motion to seal. The motion to seal that was heard yesterday was with regard to the Hoy declaration which was a plaintiff affadavit.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
My font sizes in Mozilla are small enough to be almost unreadable.
Did you even read the release notes? They give several fixes if your experience this problem which has been a problem since sites began being "optimised" for IE. Mozilla actually fixes the problem.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
In this post I state "I sincerely doubt that the DVD CCA or MPAA lawyers are so stupid as to allow unsealed CSS source into open court records." I hereby retract that statement.
But this has to be very embarassing for the high-priced DVD CCA lawyers.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
You see, when DVD-CCA filed its nice little lawsuit against DeCSS, it included the DeCSS source in its filing. The court has to release that filing to the public, and did so. That filing, and everything in it, are now in the public domain, if I am not mistaken.
You are mistaken. Despite the story posted yesterday on Slashdot, the CSS source has not been made part of the public record in the case. The plaintiffs requested and the judge granted that the CSS source be sealed records. They are not publically available from the court nor are they in the public domain.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
In a US court, the plaintiffs would request that it be sealed and the judge would grant the request.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I see that you've repented of your rash statements, so I'll go easy on you. ;^)
The link in the article dosn't lead to a court web site. It leads to someone's private site. The EFF would have received copies of the plaintiff's affadivits even if they were sealed and they probably shared them with some defendants. I think that someof the DVD CCA's filings were available on the EFF site though I don't remember seeing this one there.
I suggest that someone got a copy of this from a defendant (notice that it says "Hardcopy from Anonymous" near the top of the cryptome page) and decided to post it.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Damn! I'd swear that I can see some blue lyapunov fractals in that Abell shot. Maybe I just need to lay off the mushrooms at lunch.
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why didn't the DVDCCA ask the judge to do this?
From all indications that I have, the DVD CCA lawyers did ask the judge to seal the CSS code that they submitted and he complied. I think that the report that they are in open court records is dead wrong.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's called sealing court records. When the DVDCCA submitted the printout of the CSS source code into evidence at the original hearing, they asked that the court seal the record. That way, they get it their way. They get the evidence in the court record and they make it so that no one can go to the courthouse and retrieve a copy.
I sincerely doubt that the DVD CCA or MPAA lawyers are so stupid as to allow unsealed CSS source into open court records. I looked at the site where the story came from and all I can suggest is that the people who posted it are misinformed.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
if the two are identical why in the world would I pay for the commercial version? I think you have answered your own question. You would pay for the non-GPLed version if you want to do something with it that the GPL does not allow -- i.e. make and release binary only versions.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's really hard to say. It seems to me that CSS is the copy protection protecting the DVD movie which is the copyrighted work. The reverse engineering exemption allows subverting an access control mechanism for the purpose of inteoperability between computer programs which is whi I was trying to make the case that theDVD movie can be considered a computer program.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Actually, the auto manufacturers have invented systems that could be considered copy-protection on their intellectual property. Bullshit. There is no copyright issue there. Concentrate on the problems we face today, not imaginary ones from your paranoid dreams.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Not funny. This is serious stuff. 31337 speak will not impress anyone.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Automobiles are not subject to copy protection. The DCMA will not prohibit reverse engineering of any automobile or other nuts and bolts product. I will write a letter tonight. I will politely state that I own a computer system that runs the Linux operating system and that I wish to play legitimately purchased DVDs on my computer system. The techonological protection section of the DCMA prevents me from doing so and prevents the programmers who have been writing such software from doing so unless an exemption is granted for personal use of DVD media under alternate operating systems.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
I can't imagine how you managed to pack so much mis-information in a four sentance post when two of then were questions. The restraining order was against three defendants in New York. There has never been a declaration that it is legal to post DeCSS in California. The MPAA will likely take the New York TRO around and try to intimidate others into taking it down, but they really can't do that either.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
Don't make too much of this. In order to receive a temporary restraining order, all that they have to show is a prima facie case and a likelihood to win on the merits. The California case failed to receive a TRO because their trade secret case was obviously full of holes from day 1. It does not mean that the judge has prejudged the case or that the defense will not be allowed to present their defense.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
The complaint against 2600 was for violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which makes it illegal to circumvent a protection system that controls access to a copyrighted work.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected
It's only remains a crutch if there's no compelling reason to move on past it. OS/2 offered little that Windows itself didn't offer, but if native apps were faster, that would be plenty of incentive to move past the transition layer.
Note to Moderators: Flamebait?!? You couldn't tell flamebait if it scorched your shorts. I gave a personal impression (Why *I* was disappointed, not Why you should be) and I backed it up with facts. What I expected, and what I got.
Anomalous: inconsistent with or deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected