Every time I hear this b.s. being spouted, it's almost always by whiny investors who have a sense of entitlement... "I invested $$ in your organization and now you OWE me a return on it GUARANTEED!".
Yep, that Wall Street quarterly earnings prediction game which Google don't want to play, which is why Google don't provide them.
I don't just work there, I get paid by Google to promote them, hence the positive overtones in my post. Okay seriously...
Thanks for the disclosure. Astroturfing is bad, and it has been documented on BN that MS/Waggoner Edstorm did a lot of astroturfing. Even Google isn't perfect, but they did make a public apology when it was revealed:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/
So, another thing that makes Google less evil than MS.
From http://www.rienswagerman.nl/2008/01/googles-design-overview.html :
"The first Google homepage was built by Sergey Bin one of the two founders of google. Sergey did not have enough HTML skills to make a fancy designed HTML page so he kept it simple. The page changed over time but is in essence still the same."
To be more precise, the Cyrix MediaGX series, which was sold to NSC and renamed as the Geode, which was again sold to AMD, who makes today's Geode GX/LX chips.
"We need to find a way to encourage the people who know the business they are in to get higher up and make decisions, rather than feeding the orgy of MBA's and people with business degrees that now rule most companies."
Agreed, the nonsense called "shareholder value" needs to end, because that is what to blame for this mess.
"As to how, I have very little in the way of ideas"
Well, I think the key is in the board of directors. After all, they are the ones that hired the MBA in the first place.
"I think a lot of the lack of R&D goes back to decisions made many years ago by the government. At one point all employee salaries regardless of how outrageous they were were a deductible expense. Congress decided they wanted to tax high salaried people. Therefore companies found ways around those laws. In comes stock bonuses and stock options. The problem with that is that a highly paid employee (most likely a decision maker) will do what is best for them, which is kick up the stock price so that they get higher effective pay. Easy way to do that, kill long term R&D."
Not exactly, I don't think tax laws were to blame for creating stock options in the first place. What I think stock options actually came from was agency theory I think, which was the idea that managers should be agents of shareholders. And the obvious way to ensure that was, you guessed it, stock options. But, yes, tax laws did help in making it popular.
Here is a good article on this:
http://www.slate.com/id/2068693/
Well, that is true on Intel with it's desktop chipsets (even the 945 did not support memory remapping), but AMD has supported memory remapping on all their AMD64 processors since the beginning.
And even back then, the Athlon 64's memory controller supported memory remapping, unlike desktop Intel chipsets of that era. But not all BIOSes exposed that support back them.
From an email sent to me by Geoff Chappell about this article:
"That's going to cost me even more money
for the ever-increasing bandwidth. Between Slashdot and Reddit, I had a
month's bandwidth (16GB) drained in 8 hours yesterday. It's nice to have the
site recognised, but in another way, it's no fun at all!"
It seems to not only be an issue with the firmware but elsewhere as well (although I forget the other area that enforces the limit) so both areas would have to be modified to allow 4GB to be used.
Most likely, it is the memory controller inside the northbridge. The 945 and older northbridges have support for only 32 address lines, and so no it is not an artificial limit.
"I'd picked one with 3 Gig of RAM installed to avoid potential problems with a 64 bit system and was a tad surprised to see that Fedora installed a PAE kernel by default."
Most likely due to NX requiring PAE. Fedora 11 does detection of PAE and NX in the installer and select the right kernel.
"Of course, that might be because the PAE isn't really needed. I don't know; I don't do Windows."
Windows XP SP2 and later does the same PAE/NX detection and kernel selection in the bootloader, so XP SP2 and later would have booted up the PAE kernel as well (granted, limited to 4 GB of physical address space unlike Linux) to use the NX bit.
"I've generally had the impression that most do, however I suspect they would have disabled it in their budget (and possibly in their mobile) lines. I had a Celeron M laptop that didn't support PAE but as it's both mobile *and* budget I never figured out who to blame;-) "
Indeed, even the higher end Pentium M didn't support PAE until they were forced to because NX required PAE support. What is even more embarrassing about this is that the first version of the Pentium M was released in March 2003, which was right when AMD released the Opteron processor as the first NX capable processor. While Windows was able to work-around this by auto-detecting PAE and NX in the bootloader and selecting the kernel appropriately, Linux's bootloader couldn't and so most Linux distributions defaulted to the non PAE kernels which lacked both NX and support for more than 4 GB of RAM until recently, when installer auto-detection was finally added to default to the PAE kernel for NX capable systems.
Indeed, the market segmentation that particular limit is about is the desktop vs standard server vs enterprise server versions of Windows. (Only enterprise server support more than 4 GB of RAM via PAE)
What is even more unfortunate is that since there is no 32-bit version of Server 2008 R2, there is no 32-bit version of Windows 7 that support more than 4 GB of RAM via PAE!
"Intel Pentium D CPUs (Pentium 4 with x64 support and other minor changes)"
Actually, the first Pentium 4s with EM64T support was Xeon Nocona, then came the Pentium 4 6x0 and 5x1s with 64-bit support, and then came the dual-core Pentium Ds with 64-bit support as well.
A 640 k machine with a CGA card being compared to Pentiums running Windows 95.
Well, that was after the IBM PC/AT arrived with EGA and the 80286 processor able to address more than 640k of RAM. In fact, it was in late 1985 that the 80386 processor was introduced, and just a year later that the Compaq DeskPro 386 was introduced. That was the first machine that could at least in theory run Windows 95, OS/2 2.x, or Linux.
A 128k Mac up against a PowerMac. No real comparison at that point.
Well, the 512k Mac already existed, and the Plus was not far away. In face it ended up being released in January 1986. It could run up to System 7.5.5, which was released ten years later.
Yep, I wonder how this compares to the Eolas lawsuit that forced MS to require clicking to activate components in IE for 2 years (April 2006 to April 2008).
In general, MS KB articles with 5 digit numbers are old ones, as the system moved to 6 digit numbers long ago. Interestingly, right now the system is moving to 7 digit numbers:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2000011
"Agreed, the BSD man pages were miles ahead of the GNU ones, atleast at that time. The GNU man pages basically a little bit of description, followed by something along the lines of "These man pages are not maintained, please see the GNU info pages for more information"."
Which says it right there. Info pages are the primary docs for the GNU project, not Man pages.
If it's a REALLY original machine, it should have a BASIC ROM that will come up if it can't boot anythings else.
Well, only genuine IBM PCs (not clones) ever provided BASIC in ROM, and then only older ones (before 1992 I think). Newer IBM PS/2s and later genuine IBM PCs had the ROM BASIC removed, and PC cloners never cloned it. So unless you have an older genuine IBM PC, no.
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Every time I hear this b.s. being spouted, it's almost always by whiny investors who have a sense of entitlement... "I invested $$ in your organization and now you OWE me a return on it GUARANTEED!".
Yep, that Wall Street quarterly earnings prediction game which Google don't want to play, which is why Google don't provide them.
I don't just work there, I get paid by Google to promote them, hence the positive overtones in my post. Okay seriously...
Thanks for the disclosure. Astroturfing is bad, and it has been documented on BN that MS/Waggoner Edstorm did a lot of astroturfing. Even Google isn't perfect, but they did make a public apology when it was revealed: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/ So, another thing that makes Google less evil than MS.
From http://www.rienswagerman.nl/2008/01/googles-design-overview.html : "The first Google homepage was built by Sergey Bin one of the two founders of google. Sergey did not have enough HTML skills to make a fancy designed HTML page so he kept it simple. The page changed over time but is in essence still the same."
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To be more precise, the Cyrix MediaGX series, which was sold to NSC and renamed as the Geode, which was again sold to AMD, who makes today's Geode GX/LX chips.
"We need to find a way to encourage the people who know the business they are in to get higher up and make decisions, rather than feeding the orgy of MBA's and people with business degrees that now rule most companies." Agreed, the nonsense called "shareholder value" needs to end, because that is what to blame for this mess. "As to how, I have very little in the way of ideas" Well, I think the key is in the board of directors. After all, they are the ones that hired the MBA in the first place.
Everyone screams, like drugs are an entitlement. It is the pursuit of happiness, but the entitle to it.
Yep, can you say allopathy?
"I think a lot of the lack of R&D goes back to decisions made many years ago by the government. At one point all employee salaries regardless of how outrageous they were were a deductible expense. Congress decided they wanted to tax high salaried people. Therefore companies found ways around those laws. In comes stock bonuses and stock options. The problem with that is that a highly paid employee (most likely a decision maker) will do what is best for them, which is kick up the stock price so that they get higher effective pay. Easy way to do that, kill long term R&D." Not exactly, I don't think tax laws were to blame for creating stock options in the first place. What I think stock options actually came from was agency theory I think, which was the idea that managers should be agents of shareholders. And the obvious way to ensure that was, you guessed it, stock options. But, yes, tax laws did help in making it popular. Here is a good article on this: http://www.slate.com/id/2068693/
Well, that is true on Intel with it's desktop chipsets (even the 945 did not support memory remapping), but AMD has supported memory remapping on all their AMD64 processors since the beginning.
And even back then, the Athlon 64's memory controller supported memory remapping, unlike desktop Intel chipsets of that era. But not all BIOSes exposed that support back them.
From an email sent to me by Geoff Chappell about this article: "That's going to cost me even more money for the ever-increasing bandwidth. Between Slashdot and Reddit, I had a month's bandwidth (16GB) drained in 8 hours yesterday. It's nice to have the site recognised, but in another way, it's no fun at all!"
No, you are probably confusing PAE with AWE which was indeed similar to EMS.
It seems to not only be an issue with the firmware but elsewhere as well (although I forget the other area that enforces the limit) so both areas would have to be modified to allow 4GB to be used.
Most likely, it is the memory controller inside the northbridge. The 945 and older northbridges have support for only 32 address lines, and so no it is not an artificial limit.
"I'd picked one with 3 Gig of RAM installed to avoid potential problems with a 64 bit system and was a tad surprised to see that Fedora installed a PAE kernel by default." Most likely due to NX requiring PAE. Fedora 11 does detection of PAE and NX in the installer and select the right kernel. "Of course, that might be because the PAE isn't really needed. I don't know; I don't do Windows." Windows XP SP2 and later does the same PAE/NX detection and kernel selection in the bootloader, so XP SP2 and later would have booted up the PAE kernel as well (granted, limited to 4 GB of physical address space unlike Linux) to use the NX bit.
"I've generally had the impression that most do, however I suspect they would have disabled it in their budget (and possibly in their mobile) lines. I had a Celeron M laptop that didn't support PAE but as it's both mobile *and* budget I never figured out who to blame ;-) "
Indeed, even the higher end Pentium M didn't support PAE until they were forced to because NX required PAE support. What is even more embarrassing about this is that the first version of the Pentium M was released in March 2003, which was right when AMD released the Opteron processor as the first NX capable processor. While Windows was able to work-around this by auto-detecting PAE and NX in the bootloader and selecting the kernel appropriately, Linux's bootloader couldn't and so most Linux distributions defaulted to the non PAE kernels which lacked both NX and support for more than 4 GB of RAM until recently, when installer auto-detection was finally added to default to the PAE kernel for NX capable systems.
Indeed, the market segmentation that particular limit is about is the desktop vs standard server vs enterprise server versions of Windows. (Only enterprise server support more than 4 GB of RAM via PAE) What is even more unfortunate is that since there is no 32-bit version of Server 2008 R2, there is no 32-bit version of Windows 7 that support more than 4 GB of RAM via PAE!
"Intel Pentium D CPUs (Pentium 4 with x64 support and other minor changes)" Actually, the first Pentium 4s with EM64T support was Xeon Nocona, then came the Pentium 4 6x0 and 5x1s with 64-bit support, and then came the dual-core Pentium Ds with 64-bit support as well.
A 640 k machine with a CGA card being compared to Pentiums running Windows 95.
Well, that was after the IBM PC/AT arrived with EGA and the 80286 processor able to address more than 640k of RAM. In fact, it was in late 1985 that the 80386 processor was introduced, and just a year later that the Compaq DeskPro 386 was introduced. That was the first machine that could at least in theory run Windows 95, OS/2 2.x, or Linux.
A 128k Mac up against a PowerMac. No real comparison at that point.
Well, the 512k Mac already existed, and the Plus was not far away. In face it ended up being released in January 1986. It could run up to System 7.5.5, which was released ten years later.
Yep, I wonder how this compares to the Eolas lawsuit that forced MS to require clicking to activate components in IE for 2 years (April 2006 to April 2008).
In general, MS KB articles with 5 digit numbers are old ones, as the system moved to 6 digit numbers long ago. Interestingly, right now the system is moving to 7 digit numbers: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2000011
"Agreed, the BSD man pages were miles ahead of the GNU ones, atleast at that time. The GNU man pages basically a little bit of description, followed by something along the lines of "These man pages are not maintained, please see the GNU info pages for more information"." Which says it right there. Info pages are the primary docs for the GNU project, not Man pages.
It already is, as far as I can tell. Or at least, I couldn't figure out how to access a remote serial console without installing minicom first.
Well, minicom is the *client*, where the TTY subsystem they were talking about was the *server*.
Usually what I do in this case is just take the letter 's' off of the https URL so it becomes http.
Yep, it is listed in GNU's words to avoid or use with care: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Theft
If it's a REALLY original machine, it should have a BASIC ROM that will come up if it can't boot anythings else.
Well, only genuine IBM PCs (not clones) ever provided BASIC in ROM, and then only older ones (before 1992 I think). Newer IBM PS/2s and later genuine IBM PCs had the ROM BASIC removed, and PC cloners never cloned it. So unless you have an older genuine IBM PC, no.