Why is it those who complain about nuclear power plants never bat an eye at the ~4000 nuclear warheads aimed at people all over the world, ready to do harm with the press of a button, held in place with the same failsafes they deem insufficient?
There was debris, quickly collected away. Where is any kind of airplane wreck? Surely they could have produced some material to show that there actually was an airplane.
Let's leave the rest of the "conspiracy theories" around 9/11 out, I haven't stated here what I believe of any other specific things, but what hit the pentagon was not an airplane or your government has some really weird agenda to actually try and keep it a secret that it was an airplane - lol.
It's trendy to be anti-9/11-conspiracy, but it's not useful to be stupid and blind - as usual, people debating most loudly of this are extremists which hold that everything that the other side claims is automatically false.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but our country is not similar to Zimbabwe or Somalia - I don't think those Somali refugees would be that keen to come here if it were.
Important documents? Maybe - personally I think what matters is what kind of country you want yours to be - but cut the BS.
Between "dumb and dumber" (and I'm not seeing Obama that dumb, just not very good) I'm glad to have the dumb - doesn't mean I would have voted for him (I'm not US citizen, but for obvious reasons we Europeans are also concerned of US politics).
So yes, I'd say there is a difference - but damn it, US citizens should not vote based on such little differences but start voting 3rd party candidates or you'll never get out of your two-party dictatorship. The only way to change it is for each of you personally to start voting who you really want, even if you're scared that it will lead into your preferred party-of-two-parties candidate to lose to the other.
Btw, as European only recently having started learning more about US politics, I was not long ago very confused of terms "red states" and "blue states", thinking they would mean the opposite, but from the discussion it soon became clear that blue referred for democrats and red for republicans - what's the story of these colors when every "American" associates "the reds" with "commies"? And right wing extremists most certainly paint democrat party as commie hitler satan puppykitten killers:D
Just a funny odd observation from outsider - who doesn't really see a major left party existing in US, and it's just colors anyway...
PS. Excellent post.
PPS. Never mind the question, I'll just leave it here as (interesting?) observation - the wikipedia article explains the story behind the colors - and that:
Before the 2000 presidential election, the traditional color coding scheme was "Blue for Republican, Red for Democrat,"[2] in line with historical European associations (red was used for left-leaning parties).
"Deliberately corrupt programming" is the key here - there are no "out of calibration touch screens" or "accidental software bugs preventing selection of certain candidate" - it's hilarious how outrageous some of these issues are... If they were to happen in my country it would be a full blown political scandal! Unfortunately we have had some tests with electrical voting machines also, but not surprisingly there has not been issues like this with them - there have been issues, sure, but not like these...
Businesses go further than that. They lobby for favorable laws, favorable spending, tax treatment etc. Look how hard Amazon fought against paying sales taxes. Amazon even tried to force the issue by shutting down all facilities in those states that tried to collect, to punish them. What's the difference between what they do and bribing? Perhaps just semantics.
Most insightful words I've read on this thread so far!
And what's wrong with masturbating? I actually use my computer to enhance masturbation experience sometimes, and I very much doubt that I'm the only one here doing that...
My Linux installation resides on a 30GB drive - I have other (network) drives for personal files, but my OS and most software are installed on that 30GB. Plenty enough.
Sounds familiar, though I was commenting on the claimed huge difficulty transitioning from one GUI to "completely different"* GUI - it's not hard, and I can't see how could it be harder than transitioning from CLI to GUI, which actually is completely different (knowing how to use underlying CLI is not using the GUI).
* Usually that "completely different" is not that different - if it is then it's most often transition to different device (ie. from desktop to tablet or smartphone), which is really not transitioning but rather learning a whole different system and there is little baggage from the earlier system.
The Finnish version calls them "rapuolento", which would crudely translate to "crab being" or "crab creature" - though in English it doesn't work the same way as "rapuolento" clearly sounds like it's not exactly a crab but something like a crab...
I guess the word "crab/rapu" was used instead of "lobster/hummeri" because lobsters are not that common in Finland... Or actually maybe because "hummeriolento" would really feel ridiculous to us:p Language differences, I think the lobstrosities is really good one and I can't come up with anything in Finninsh that puts the two words together that nicely (yes, it was clear to me:) ).
Usually I actually prefer to read the original version (that is if it's in Finnish or English - other languages I don't do that well) because, well as we can see here, something always gets lost in the translation:)
Damn, I was just reading it today - I'm at the point where Roland got the aspirin from Eddie and is feeling better... just yesterday I read the part where the "lobstrosities" (are they called that in the English version? I'm reading the Finnish translation) bit Rolands Fingers off...
I've read it once before though - it's good enough for second read:)
Someone anticipated just that - it's why GPL is written the way it is. Perfect? No such thing as perfect, but what you said was damn well anticipated by RMS.
I don't know how it works over there, but in the United States, this would result in rich people being unable to drive a car without half a dozen cops following them and watching their every move, while poor people driving at 90 through a school zone would be utterly ignored.
Yes, you're legal system seems to be broken here - one major problem is that police benefits from traffic violation tickets. In Finland there is no alternate motives for police to ticket you, they don't benefit from giving huge number and/or large fines (it's obvious that the alternate leads to broken system with police abusing the system).
Also, if I were a sufficiently rich person, I could hire a poor person to drive me to work. I could cut my commute time in half!
I read it. He's claiming that it's more fair to fine someone for speeding for 100% of their daily wage and someone else for 0.01% of their daily wage because the richer person deserves preferential treatment. He justifies that preference with irrelevant discussion on economics of trickle-down (leaving aside that voodoo economics has been proven false by increasing wealth and income in the top 1% and decreasing standard of living for the bottom 47%.). As I don't subscribe to voodoo economics, I ignored it. That doesn't mean I didn't read it. Just because it's stated doesn't make it true.
This I liked enough that I would mod you up if I could...
yeah, I am pretty just, unlike those, who think they must apply different rules to different people to equalize outcomes and thus create an unjust system by definition.
The rule is the same and applied to everyone equally. You must be for gay marriage then, as banning it affects people unequally, even if applied equally.
But you lost me here? I'm for gay marriage myself but I have no idea what that has got to do with this conversation? And are you saying this because you think gay marriage is bad or because you think that's what he thinks?
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Why is it those who complain about nuclear power plants never bat an eye at the ~4000 nuclear warheads aimed at people all over the world, ready to do harm with the press of a button, held in place with the same failsafes they deem insufficient?
They don't?
There was debris, quickly collected away. Where is any kind of airplane wreck? Surely they could have produced some material to show that there actually was an airplane.
Let's leave the rest of the "conspiracy theories" around 9/11 out, I haven't stated here what I believe of any other specific things, but what hit the pentagon was not an airplane or your government has some really weird agenda to actually try and keep it a secret that it was an airplane - lol.
It's trendy to be anti-9/11-conspiracy, but it's not useful to be stupid and blind - as usual, people debating most loudly of this are extremists which hold that everything that the other side claims is automatically false.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but our country is not similar to Zimbabwe or Somalia - I don't think those Somali refugees would be that keen to come here if it were.
Important documents? Maybe - personally I think what matters is what kind of country you want yours to be - but cut the BS.
Between "dumb and dumber" (and I'm not seeing Obama that dumb, just not very good) I'm glad to have the dumb - doesn't mean I would have voted for him (I'm not US citizen, but for obvious reasons we Europeans are also concerned of US politics).
So yes, I'd say there is a difference - but damn it, US citizens should not vote based on such little differences but start voting 3rd party candidates or you'll never get out of your two-party dictatorship. The only way to change it is for each of you personally to start voting who you really want, even if you're scared that it will lead into your preferred party-of-two-parties candidate to lose to the other.
Btw, as European only recently having started learning more about US politics, I was not long ago very confused of terms "red states" and "blue states", thinking they would mean the opposite, but from the discussion it soon became clear that blue referred for democrats and red for republicans - what's the story of these colors when every "American" associates "the reds" with "commies"? And right wing extremists most certainly paint democrat party as commie hitler satan puppykitten killers :D
Just a funny odd observation from outsider - who doesn't really see a major left party existing in US, and it's just colors anyway...
PS. Excellent post.
PPS. Never mind the question, I'll just leave it here as (interesting?) observation - the wikipedia article explains the story behind the colors - and that:
Before the 2000 presidential election, the traditional color coding scheme was "Blue for Republican, Red for Democrat,"[2] in line with historical European associations (red was used for left-leaning parties).
"Deliberately corrupt programming" is the key here - there are no "out of calibration touch screens" or "accidental software bugs preventing selection of certain candidate" - it's hilarious how outrageous some of these issues are... If they were to happen in my country it would be a full blown political scandal! Unfortunately we have had some tests with electrical voting machines also, but not surprisingly there has not been issues like this with them - there have been issues, sure, but not like these...
Have to fix my previous reply here - it was "hummeriolento" (lobster being/creature), not "rapuolento" (rapu=crab).
Businesses go further than that. They lobby for favorable laws, favorable spending, tax treatment etc. Look how hard Amazon fought against paying sales taxes. Amazon even tried to force the issue by shutting down all facilities in those states that tried to collect, to punish them. What's the difference between what they do and bribing? Perhaps just semantics.
Most insightful words I've read on this thread so far!
Yeah, so? Seems to me that you just had a hissy fit over someone else opinion :D
And what's wrong with masturbating? I actually use my computer to enhance masturbation experience sometimes, and I very much doubt that I'm the only one here doing that...
My Linux installation resides on a 30GB drive - I have other (network) drives for personal files, but my OS and most software are installed on that 30GB. Plenty enough.
XFCE is weird-ass how exactly?
That page has nothing but a big Yakuake logo in the middle. I guess some don't know how to make anything without scripts...
Sounds familiar, though I was commenting on the claimed huge difficulty transitioning from one GUI to "completely different"* GUI - it's not hard, and I can't see how could it be harder than transitioning from CLI to GUI, which actually is completely different (knowing how to use underlying CLI is not using the GUI).
* Usually that "completely different" is not that different - if it is then it's most often transition to different device (ie. from desktop to tablet or smartphone), which is really not transitioning but rather learning a whole different system and there is little baggage from the earlier system.
Awwww =)
The Finnish version calls them "rapuolento", which would crudely translate to "crab being" or "crab creature" - though in English it doesn't work the same way as "rapuolento" clearly sounds like it's not exactly a crab but something like a crab...
I guess the word "crab/rapu" was used instead of "lobster/hummeri" because lobsters are not that common in Finland... Or actually maybe because "hummeriolento" would really feel ridiculous to us :p Language differences, I think the lobstrosities is really good one and I can't come up with anything in Finninsh that puts the two words together that nicely (yes, it was clear to me :) ).
Usually I actually prefer to read the original version (that is if it's in Finnish or English - other languages I don't do that well) because, well as we can see here, something always gets lost in the translation :)
Damn, I was just reading it today - I'm at the point where Roland got the aspirin from Eddie and is feeling better... just yesterday I read the part where the "lobstrosities" (are they called that in the English version? I'm reading the Finnish translation) bit Rolands Fingers off...
I've read it once before though - it's good enough for second read :)
Someone anticipated just that - it's why GPL is written the way it is. Perfect? No such thing as perfect, but what you said was damn well anticipated by RMS.
Not really, it's just a common myth taken as truth without questioning it.
Damn that's some sad reading... and probably more or less true for other western countries as well (not saying only western).
Ok, hear you now :)
Bad troll - a troll should make just enough sense to be annoying, but this makes no sense at all.
I don't know how it works over there, but in the United States, this would result in rich people being unable to drive a car without half a dozen cops following them and watching their every move, while poor people driving at 90 through a school zone would be utterly ignored.
Yes, you're legal system seems to be broken here - one major problem is that police benefits from traffic violation tickets. In Finland there is no alternate motives for police to ticket you, they don't benefit from giving huge number and/or large fines (it's obvious that the alternate leads to broken system with police abusing the system).
Also, if I were a sufficiently rich person, I could hire a poor person to drive me to work. I could cut my commute time in half!
Yes.
Hah, you know, I was already replying not for him but for other readers really :)
I read it. He's claiming that it's more fair to fine someone for speeding for 100% of their daily wage and someone else for 0.01% of their daily wage because the richer person deserves preferential treatment. He justifies that preference with irrelevant discussion on economics of trickle-down (leaving aside that voodoo economics has been proven false by increasing wealth and income in the top 1% and decreasing standard of living for the bottom 47%.). As I don't subscribe to voodoo economics, I ignored it. That doesn't mean I didn't read it. Just because it's stated doesn't make it true.
This I liked enough that I would mod you up if I could...
yeah, I am pretty just, unlike those, who think they must apply different rules to different people to equalize outcomes and thus create an unjust system by definition.
The rule is the same and applied to everyone equally. You must be for gay marriage then, as banning it affects people unequally, even if applied equally.
But you lost me here? I'm for gay marriage myself but I have no idea what that has got to do with this conversation? And are you saying this because you think gay marriage is bad or because you think that's what he thinks?