"I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound."
As a former lab rat of nearly 20 years (Ritalin, Adderal, Desipramine) I'm going to say you don't have the in-depth experience or education to be able to make your statement with any authority.
It most certainly is a con. None of those things worked for me, and in fact made things worse.
Enjoy your blown and overloaded endocannabinoid system.
Strong case of ADHD here. Ritalin, Dexedrine, Concerta - definitely worked on me - as does amphetamines bought from the street (in low doses) for that matter - where's your con now?
As for actual antidepressants, as that's what I think the discussion was about before you, they are mostly dangerous bullshit.
I'm depressed and have 100-200 tabs open - then again this has been going on since Opera brought browser tabs (well, it was the first browser I saw them in anyway) and I definitely wasn't depressed then.
There's a lot of discussion here about "on your own time".. Such a concept does NOT exist for exempt (salaried) employees. You're not paid by the hour, you're paid by the day, week, month, what-have-you. Your company may have attendance rules and/or time cards, but realistically speaking, one aspect of "exempt" is that you are in a position where the company owns your intellectual product.
Bullshit.
Salaried or not, employees are not slaves.
They get to have their own life, separate from work. Even those who can be called to work at any time, such as firemen.
If I hire you to design a boats, and you go home and design boats in your spare time, I'm going to win that law suit 100 % of the time.
If you have boat designs already when you get hired, you better have proof somewhere, or better yet disclose them under a NDA agreement. And you better give up your hobby of designing boats from then on, even if you do it at home.
That is what this topic is all about. Its not as simple as your time vs employer time.
I write code as hobby and my employee's better to let me keep my hobby while working as a coder - I'm not going to give that up for a job.
My thoughts exactly, even though I admit never having played it myself. Seeing it in action was enough to lose big part of my interest to try it, and largely it was really not about it being bad in anyway (I have no opinion) as separate game, but the failed expectations for using a name and not living up to it. They should have named it Quake - or simply something new - as after Q1&Q2 it was clear that the name had no specific theme tied to it (though in *some* aspects I've felt that Q2 actually achieved being closer to DooM than DooM 3 did (if you just forget the hell theme, think about DooM E1M* tech style levels and compare design wise)).
Oh, and the automap - I understand it's not easy to create proper automap for real 3D 1st person shooter (descent had good map, but it's a very different animal - don't know if it would work with regular 1st p shooters), but really, at least some sort of automap, even if viewpoint limited to how DooM (or Duke3D - it had overlapping sectors, although only when one could not be seen from the other, and it managed good), although it would get messy with levels that have lots of vertically overlapping areas), but it really would be a killer feature from past if implemented properly.
Unlike many games of that era aiming to similar set of "features", DooM managed to achieve pure awesomeness in what it was \o/ In fact I still love firing up 3rd party (I've seen the originals enough times for life;) ) level packs (WAD's) on the original games ({{Ultimate,Final,}DooM,DooM ][}) - and I've been thinking of downloading DETH (Doom Editor for Total Headcases) or ZDETH (ZDooM port) level editor and my other favorite DooM tools and whip out some ultra-detailed (requiring at least BooM engine because of detail/size limits of Id's original engine, ZDooM if I choose to implement 3D (vertically overlapping sectors), scripting, level HUB, moving walls/sectors, or other more advanced features) new level(s) of my own - it's been a long time, over 10 years, since I last ran a BSP builder on my freshly saved work with DETH, but I really like how it's done - weirdly I guess for remaining DooM level designers even the limits and trying to implement awesomeness within and around them is actually more fascinating than the freedom of true 3D, dynamic lightning and other luxuries you just don't get with DooM:) I've heard that it's said to be similar to what drives C-64 and other retro hardware programmers to keep hacking...
Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it. I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.
They do that because they know that there is a "not insignificant" (=not big money but customers anyway) number of gamers who want, appreciate and are more likely to buy it instead of something you need to run under Wine (even if reported to work fine) game if it's authors support Linux right away - and because they believe that Linux is a good platform for developing and playing games and doesn't need that much extra work if the game is written cross-platform from the start in comparison to work needed to code it Windows only (not to mention that later need to port originally platform specific code will need much extra work).
Actually they have been writing games in cross-platform way starting at least from DooM (it wasn't 1st ran on x86 DOS) so even long before they released DooM sources and took the habit of releasing sources in GPL they were writing games to be easily ported.
Anyhow, I was a bit surprised to learn that it's not available as Linux binary - considering all I stated in my babbling above;)
Why would anyone feel that getting a game they don't enjoy for free is a reason to play it anyway?
The only reason would be that they don't feel the same way as you about it. Personally I wouldn't know. I consider DooM series to be DooM/Ultimate DooM, DooM ][ and Final DooM (latter was actually just DooM 2 engine + two 32 level WAD's that Id outsourced to TeamTNT, but I consider it Id Software game anyway) and I see DooM 3 as entirely separate game which might be good but doesn't get me more interested to try it than any other general 3D shooter. But that's just me.
Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it. I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.
They released the source code, the link is in the OP, so get programming whiney person.
Because that's what one enjoys doing to get a game to run?
There was no whining in GP's post, it was just stating an obvious issue. There's a difference - troll and flame replies to GP is an example of diff between GP and them. Since it's not issue to Windows users and/or non-gamers, etc. I don't understand the need to flame poster like he was insulting the whiners.
Should you have chosen a polite way and written a message with the useful part of your troll post it could've been something like this:
To shed some light into darkness with Linux & DooM 3 BFG Edition you might be happy to learn that Id did release the source code, as they have taken a habit to... It may quickly feel like not much help unless you're into porting (or as DooM 3 was written to compile also on Linux from the beginning it's likely to just compile cleanly from sources), but there's likely more than one person who have taken this on their TO-DO list from the moment they learned that Linux binary wasn't available so it's only a matter of time (and not likely that long time) before the engine binaries are provided in various package formats for Linux distributions - and after being released in websites and 3rd party repositories the distributions will be soon providing it on their official repos. I hope that helps while waiting a release for your OS of choice, have a good day:)
But no, there's you're impolite troll of yours which probably didn't contain the actually useful part of information because you wanted to be helpful (it doesn't go hand in hand with feeling the need to flame) and another message truly unsettling with the amount of immature FUD that I can only conclude to be a manifestation of deep inferiority complex (possibly sub conscious),
Why do people feel the need to act like this? The other flame post I can understand is because of mental issues, so it's really rather sad, but your post seems like sane person but bad behavior.
What is wrong with this fanboi? Being a gamer he should be satisfied of being able to play most games on Windows, and unlikely is doing anything else that needed a program with no linux version or equivalent he should be happy.
Such need to troll&flame someone for saying his choice of OS can't run something is a sign itself. Spouting FUD (lies and twisting/exaggerating issues) about how that other OS sucks bags of dicks just makes it so much more worrying. A sign of strong feeling of inferiority is what I'm talking about. I could barely understand such behavior if flame war was first initiated by earlier poster, but on a reply to perfectly neutral (on OS comparisons - the previous post didn't even hint to comparisons) is really a sign of some deeper mental issues.
If you feel that strongly inferior just because someone else is using something you think is "cooler for being minority" then perhaps consider switching to Linux and installing Windows in a VirtualBox or equivalent and you can play all the games you want and not feel threatened by "the cool minority":o It's a wrong reason to switch to another OS though, but in this case it may be the easiest way to ease your mental issues.
if you have the kind of personality type where it works for you, you might consider it.
Yeah, sounds like that could work pretty well for a sociopath.
It's based on a mutual agreement, just like with monogamy. A sociopath would not care about different agreement, for he/she only feels the deal is about what his/hers partner can/can't do.
I just read an article on polyamory, and it pretty much confirmed to me how dumb an idea it is. With that many people involved, someone is bound to get hurt, whether it's your wife or your other partners, or her other partners. Unless you also draw up contracts to alys be there for these other people too, which seems basically impossible to do for more than one person at a time.
People get hurt with life. They got hurt by relationships, whether monogamist or polygamist. Adults are considered to be able to choose what way of living fits them best, even though all of them make choices that are worse than someone else choice would have been to them. You don't have to be threatened by someone else choosing a different way than you - because that's why I think you are throwing insult to perfectly polite description of their choice of life way.
People who can resist any and every temptation are imaginary people. Yet many, like you, look down to others when they do it, yet most of the time are blind to themselves doing it, and when not they explain themselves out of it.
It's human nature. We are imperfect. Also we like to see only other people as imperfect.
Yeah, but relation to race has to have something to do with what you're saying to be racist.
Have you asked the African-Americans in your group how they feel about being called monkey? Oh, there aren't any African-Americans in your group? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Considering his explanation of their use of the word those African-Americans need to be really dumb to take offense.
Funny thing, btw, you being racist in your post claiming another person being racist. Probably don't realize it either even after I said it:)
Lawn mowers? Electric? Have you ever really tried to use one? No? My daughter (out of environmental respect) bought one and tried to make a go of it. The problem is unless you mow your lawn like a putting green an electric mower isn't going to cut the grass. Sure, if you need to take 0.5 inches off the top, no problem. But if you need to cut 2 inches of grass blade it will not function. So you can make it work if you cut your grass every couple of days - like a putting green. Or you can get a mower with 10x the power but has a gas engine. My daughter now has a gas mower after returning the electric one as being non-functional in her yard. Don't know anyone that has an electric one around here in Iowa either.
Erm, there is no rule saying that you have to buy the worst piece of shit if you get an electric lawn mower.
Obviously he is not robbing anybody of anything, the 'future generations' do not actually exist and they may not exist for all we know. 'Future generations' is an abstract idea that completely worthless from our perspective, we will never meet them, we will never know if they even will exist or not and it is really not our problem what challenges they will face as time progresses. We certainly are doing our best to make our own lives better (well, not the ones that are socialists but reasonable people who understand that free market capitalism is the actual solution to the environmental challenge, since it is the free market capitalism that creates the tools necessary to solve the problem by increasing the wealth of the society in pursuit of private profits).
What a great way to admit the total selfishness behind free market extremist lunatics views - reasonable? Well, for a sociopath it would be "reasonable" to act all selfish.
Can't believe that's actually not common law in a so called 1st world country of today... I believe condoms are pretty much standard practice in porn industry around most 1st world outside USA.
WTF kind of religion is this? Blind worship of power. Power may be a motivator of life, but conscious beings recognize freedom as the only sustainable goal. Far from protecting us from pollution and violence, government enables it on a vast scale. Socialism is the correct answer? Sure, if you like famine, corruption, and death.
It's greatly obvious this is going to happen on so many levels, and it's the people who were shouting against "alarmists" who will we baffled and blaming others too...
According to the Argonne National Laboratory, it takes two barrels of water to produce one barrel of oil shale liquid. A lot of the shale rock is out where water is already being fought over between farmers, cities, and Native Americans.
Easy one: Case 1: Native American DO own the mineral rights. They will win.
If I was a yank I would be too ashamed to make that statement. Just like I would be to state that Sami people of Finland don't have the rights to land we Finns ripped from them long ago.
It's times like this when I wish I had mod points left... You summed up pretty much perfectly what I've wanted to say but couldn't quite find as good words as yours in many occassions when some idiot has tried to group me up with a bunch of idiots, like this one did here...
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"I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound."
As a former lab rat of nearly 20 years (Ritalin, Adderal, Desipramine) I'm going to say you don't have the in-depth experience or education to be able to make your statement with any authority.
It most certainly is a con. None of those things worked for me, and in fact made things worse.
Enjoy your blown and overloaded endocannabinoid system.
Strong case of ADHD here. Ritalin, Dexedrine, Concerta - definitely worked on me - as does amphetamines bought from the street (in low doses) for that matter - where's your con now?
As for actual antidepressants, as that's what I think the discussion was about before you, they are mostly dangerous bullshit.
I'm depressed and have 100-200 tabs open - then again this has been going on since Opera brought browser tabs (well, it was the first browser I saw them in anyway) and I definitely wasn't depressed then.
There's a lot of discussion here about "on your own time".. Such a concept does NOT exist for exempt (salaried) employees. You're not paid by the hour, you're paid by the day, week, month, what-have-you. Your company may have attendance rules and/or time cards, but realistically speaking, one aspect of "exempt" is that you are in a position where the company owns your intellectual product.
Bullshit.
Salaried or not, employees are not slaves.
They get to have their own life, separate from work. Even those who can be called to work at any time, such as firemen.
No, its not yours.
If I hire you to design a boats, and you go home and design boats in your spare time, I'm going to win that law suit 100 % of the time.
If you have boat designs already when you get hired, you better have proof somewhere, or better yet disclose them under a NDA agreement.
And you better give up your hobby of designing boats from then on, even if you do it at home.
That is what this topic is all about. Its not as simple as your time vs employer time.
I write code as hobby and my employee's better to let me keep my hobby while working as a coder - I'm not going to give that up for a job.
My thoughts exactly, even though I admit never having played it myself. Seeing it in action was enough to lose big part of my interest to try it, and largely it was really not about it being bad in anyway (I have no opinion) as separate game, but the failed expectations for using a name and not living up to it.
They should have named it Quake - or simply something new - as after Q1&Q2 it was clear that the name had no specific theme tied to it (though in *some* aspects I've felt that Q2 actually achieved being closer to DooM than DooM 3 did (if you just forget the hell theme, think about DooM E1M* tech style levels and compare design wise)).
Oh, and the automap - I understand it's not easy to create proper automap for real 3D 1st person shooter (descent had good map, but it's a very different animal - don't know if it would work with regular 1st p shooters), but really, at least some sort of automap, even if viewpoint limited to how DooM (or Duke3D - it had overlapping sectors, although only when one could not be seen from the other, and it managed good), although it would get messy with levels that have lots of vertically overlapping areas), but it really would be a killer feature from past if implemented properly.
Unlike many games of that era aiming to similar set of "features", DooM managed to achieve pure awesomeness in what it was \o/ In fact I still love firing up 3rd party (I've seen the originals enough times for life ;) ) level packs (WAD's) on the original games ({{Ultimate ,Final,}DooM,DooM ][}) - and I've been thinking of downloading DETH (Doom Editor for Total Headcases) or ZDETH (ZDooM port) level editor and my other favorite DooM tools and whip out some ultra-detailed (requiring at least BooM engine because of detail/size limits of Id's original engine, ZDooM if I choose to implement 3D (vertically overlapping sectors), scripting, level HUB, moving walls/sectors, or other more advanced features) new level(s) of my own - it's been a long time, over 10 years, since I last ran a BSP builder on my freshly saved work with DETH, but I really like how it's done - weirdly I guess for remaining DooM level designers even the limits and trying to implement awesomeness within and around them is actually more fascinating than the freedom of true 3D, dynamic lightning and other luxuries you just don't get with DooM :) I've heard that it's said to be similar to what drives C-64 and other retro hardware programmers to keep hacking...
Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.
They do that because they know that there is a "not insignificant" (=not big money but customers anyway) number of gamers who want, appreciate and are more likely to buy it instead of something you need to run under Wine (even if reported to work fine) game if it's authors support Linux right away - and because they believe that Linux is a good platform for developing and playing games and doesn't need that much extra work if the game is written cross-platform from the start in comparison to work needed to code it Windows only (not to mention that later need to port originally platform specific code will need much extra work).
Actually they have been writing games in cross-platform way starting at least from DooM (it wasn't 1st ran on x86 DOS) so even long before they released DooM sources and took the habit of releasing sources in GPL they were writing games to be easily ported.
Anyhow, I was a bit surprised to learn that it's not available as Linux binary - considering all I stated in my babbling above ;)
Why would anyone feel that getting a game they don't enjoy for free is a reason to play it anyway?
The only reason would be that they don't feel the same way as you about it. Personally I wouldn't know. I consider DooM series to be DooM/Ultimate DooM, DooM ][ and Final DooM (latter was actually just DooM 2 engine + two 32 level WAD's that Id outsourced to TeamTNT, but I consider it Id Software game anyway) and I see DooM 3 as entirely separate game which might be good but doesn't get me more interested to try it than any other general 3D shooter. But that's just me.
Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.
They released the source code, the link is in the OP, so get programming whiney person.
Because that's what one enjoys doing to get a game to run?
There was no whining in GP's post, it was just stating an obvious issue. There's a difference - troll and flame replies to GP is an example of diff between GP and them.
Since it's not issue to Windows users and/or non-gamers, etc. I don't understand the need to flame poster like he was insulting the whiners.
Should you have chosen a polite way and written a message with the useful part of your troll post it could've been something like this:
To shed some light into darkness with Linux & DooM 3 BFG Edition you might be happy to learn that Id did release the source code, as they have taken a habit to... It may quickly feel like not much help unless you're into porting (or as DooM 3 was written to compile also on Linux from the beginning it's likely to just compile cleanly from sources), but there's likely more than one person who have taken this on their TO-DO list from the moment they learned that Linux binary wasn't available so it's only a matter of time (and not likely that long time) before the engine binaries are provided in various package formats for Linux distributions - and after being released in websites and 3rd party repositories the distributions will be soon providing it on their official repos. :)
I hope that helps while waiting a release for your OS of choice, have a good day
But no, there's you're impolite troll of yours which probably didn't contain the actually useful part of information because you wanted to be helpful (it doesn't go hand in hand with feeling the need to flame) and another message truly unsettling with the amount of immature FUD that I can only conclude to be a manifestation of deep inferiority complex (possibly sub conscious),
Why do people feel the need to act like this? The other flame post I can understand is because of mental issues, so it's really rather sad, but your post seems like sane person but bad behavior.
What is wrong with this fanboi? Being a gamer he should be satisfied of being able to play most games on Windows, and unlikely is doing anything else that needed a program with no linux version or equivalent he should be happy.
Such need to troll&flame someone for saying his choice of OS can't run something is a sign itself. Spouting FUD (lies and twisting/exaggerating issues) about how that other OS sucks bags of dicks just makes it so much more worrying.
A sign of strong feeling of inferiority is what I'm talking about. I could barely understand such behavior if flame war was first initiated by earlier poster, but on a reply to perfectly neutral (on OS comparisons - the previous post didn't even hint to comparisons) is really a sign of some deeper mental issues.
If you feel that strongly inferior just because someone else is using something you think is "cooler for being minority" then perhaps consider switching to Linux and installing Windows in a VirtualBox or equivalent and you can play all the games you want and not feel threatened by "the cool minority" :o It's a wrong reason to switch to another OS though, but in this case it may be the easiest way to ease your mental issues.
Ditto for same from the child's perspective.
if you have the kind of personality type where it works for you, you might consider it.
Yeah, sounds like that could work pretty well for a sociopath.
It's based on a mutual agreement, just like with monogamy. A sociopath would not care about different agreement, for he/she only feels the deal is about what his/hers partner can/can't do.
I just read an article on polyamory, and it pretty much confirmed to me how dumb an idea it is. With that many people involved, someone is bound to get hurt, whether it's your wife or your other partners, or her other partners. Unless you also draw up contracts to alys be there for these other people too, which seems basically impossible to do for more than one person at a time.
People get hurt with life. They got hurt by relationships, whether monogamist or polygamist. Adults are considered to be able to choose what way of living fits them best, even though all of them make choices that are worse than someone else choice would have been to them. You don't have to be threatened by someone else choosing a different way than you - because that's why I think you are throwing insult to perfectly polite description of their choice of life way.
People who can resist any and every temptation are imaginary people. Yet many, like you, look down to others when they do it, yet most of the time are blind to themselves doing it, and when not they explain themselves out of it.
It's human nature. We are imperfect. Also we like to see only other people as imperfect.
This is 0 and it's parent "5, Funny", really? Should be switched :)
"Intent" is not required to be racist.
Yeah, but relation to race has to have something to do with what you're saying to be racist.
Have you asked the African-Americans in your group how they feel about being called monkey? Oh, there aren't any African-Americans in your group? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Considering his explanation of their use of the word those African-Americans need to be really dumb to take offense.
Funny thing, btw, you being racist in your post claiming another person being racist. Probably don't realize it either even after I said it :)
Most excellent post.
Lawn mowers? Electric? Have you ever really tried to use one? No? My daughter (out of environmental respect) bought one and tried to make a go of it. The problem is unless you mow your lawn like a putting green an electric mower isn't going to cut the grass. Sure, if you need to take 0.5 inches off the top, no problem. But if you need to cut 2 inches of grass blade it will not function. So you can make it work if you cut your grass every couple of days - like a putting green. Or you can get a mower with 10x the power but has a gas engine. My daughter now has a gas mower after returning the electric one as being non-functional in her yard. Don't know anyone that has an electric one around here in Iowa either.
Erm, there is no rule saying that you have to buy the worst piece of shit if you get an electric lawn mower.
You're a little slow, ain't you?
Yup, I know, this is plain trolling from my part - I don't care, you are dumb as fuck and I needed to get that out.
Obviously he is not robbing anybody of anything, the 'future generations' do not actually exist and they may not exist for all we know. 'Future generations' is an abstract idea that completely worthless from our perspective, we will never meet them, we will never know if they even will exist or not and it is really not our problem what challenges they will face as time progresses. We certainly are doing our best to make our own lives better (well, not the ones that are socialists but reasonable people who understand that free market capitalism is the actual solution to the environmental challenge, since it is the free market capitalism that creates the tools necessary to solve the problem by increasing the wealth of the society in pursuit of private profits).
What a great way to admit the total selfishness behind free market extremist lunatics views - reasonable? Well, for a sociopath it would be "reasonable" to act all selfish.
Can't believe that's actually not common law in a so called 1st world country of today... I believe condoms are pretty much standard practice in porn industry around most 1st world outside USA.
Government made you
WTF kind of religion is this? Blind worship of power. Power may be a motivator of life, but conscious beings recognize freedom as the only sustainable goal. Far from protecting us from pollution and violence, government enables it on a vast scale. Socialism is the correct answer? Sure, if you like famine, corruption, and death.
Talk about seeing in black and white, lol...
We're all bound to have "beliefs" of some sort, but other than that I pretty much agree with all you wrote.
It's greatly obvious this is going to happen on so many levels, and it's the people who were shouting against "alarmists" who will we baffled and blaming others too...
According to the Argonne National Laboratory, it takes two barrels of water to produce one barrel of oil shale liquid. A lot of the shale rock is out where water is already being fought over between farmers, cities, and Native Americans.
Easy one:
Case 1: Native American DO own the mineral rights. They will win.
If I was a yank I would be too ashamed to make that statement. Just like I would be to state that Sami people of Finland don't have the rights to land we Finns ripped from them long ago.
*applause*
It's times like this when I wish I had mod points left... You summed up pretty much perfectly what I've wanted to say but couldn't quite find as good words as yours in many occassions when some idiot has tried to group me up with a bunch of idiots, like this one did here...