Section 798 deals with the disclosure of information. The information was already disclosed, however. So where is the problem? The other two deal with national defense. I am not aware that there is any defense-related information in the cables. On a different note, why should Wikileaks care about US law? It's not like they are under your jurisdiction. In contrast, they are part of the free world, not of the totalitarian regime the likes of you want to install. I fervently hope you do not succeed.
I read most of the stuff published so far, and I wouldn't call anything in there boring. Sure, there is a lot of stuff that is of no great consequence, but I found nearly every document very interesting for someone who cares for international politics. What really surprised me is how well written most of them are - I kinda expected dry and boring bureaucrat speak, but found lots of very polished essays that were straight to the point.
Nothing. That's what makes it so scary. This is a fundamental assault on the very concept of a free press - and I am quite scared of the amount of people wanting to see Assange's head on a pole here. Those people are the enablers of totalitarianism.
Well, in reality, they would prevent it, take a big fat dump on the concept of freedom of press and wipe their fascist arse with the constitution afterwards, I have no illusion there.
Yes, that's true - I didn't mean to imply that Milton was not Christian or was actively proselytizing for pagan beliefs, just that the imagery he created that still strongly influences the popular picture of Hell and Satan is not exactly bible-based in its origin.
I so hoped they would go with the suggestion from the guy over at LinuxHaters blog: Ubuntu 11 - "Naughty Nutgoblin". Seriously, who comes up with those naming schemes?
I'll have a look at it, thanks. I am faithful enough in my weak atheism that I do not fear conversion...;)
On a related noted, the scenario I originally mentioned is kinda ripped from this: Salvation War: Armageddon over at Stardestroyer.net. Basically, God tells mankind to go to hell, entrance to heaven is closed. Mankind tells him to sod off and gets the military rolling. Kinda Tom Clancy style military porn, but great fun to read.
That's not the whole story either - hard to pull the "good needs evil" thing out of the bible either. The whole Lucifer/Satan thing is rather apocryphal anyway and more based on Milton than on the bible itself. The words "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" are by Milton originally, spoken by his Satan. Milton didn't write Paradise Lost as a piece of Christian fiction - given how heavily influenced he was by Greek and Pagan ideas and how much of that shows in the poem. Amusingly, he is still the main source for the popular picture of hell and Satan.
In the end, it is just a question of who has the better PR department. And of course, the victor gets to rewrite history... Who knows who rebelled against whom for what reason there...
Oh, I did not mean Satan with the guy responsible for this. Any god condemning a single soul to infiinte punishment for a finite transgression is pure evil. That one would be the target in this unlikely case.
And if I unexpectedly should be thrown into that lake of fire instead of fading into nothingness, well... That would be the time to go ahead with the full survive, evade, resist, escape program and take the bastard responsible for this on. Let's see who's burning in the end.
Ah... so human rights are only valid for american citizens, yes? Others will be "dealt with"? Guess they are not human, are they? God, I try to like america. I lived there, working for a couple of months, most people seemed decent to me. This is a call to those decent people - put the fascist swine like the poster above in their place or you gonna lose a great thing.
Of course, the editor sets the content. No problem with that. Why is it suddenly wrong when Wikileaks does it? The GP didn't argue your point, he stated that Wikileaks is not an organ of the press, because he in his glorious majesty disapproves of the content. If he doesn't like it, he's free to open his own website, but he is NOT free to dictate other what constitutes "the press".
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Section 798 deals with the disclosure of information. The information was already disclosed, however. So where is the problem? The other two deal with national defense. I am not aware that there is any defense-related information in the cables. On a different note, why should Wikileaks care about US law? It's not like they are under your jurisdiction. In contrast, they are part of the free world, not of the totalitarian regime the likes of you want to install. I fervently hope you do not succeed.
I read most of the stuff published so far, and I wouldn't call anything in there boring. Sure, there is a lot of stuff that is of no great consequence, but I found nearly every document very interesting for someone who cares for international politics. What really surprised me is how well written most of them are - I kinda expected dry and boring bureaucrat speak, but found lots of very polished essays that were straight to the point.
You are modding this funny now... Wait until they really come after the free press in force under the banner of The War on Terrorism(TM).
Nothing. That's what makes it so scary. This is a fundamental assault on the very concept of a free press - and I am quite scared of the amount of people wanting to see Assange's head on a pole here. Those people are the enablers of totalitarianism.
Well, in reality, they would prevent it, take a big fat dump on the concept of freedom of press and wipe their fascist arse with the constitution afterwards, I have no illusion there.
Aaron Aardvark - to keep in the animal spirit here... For Bb, I am lost, too.
Yes, that's true - I didn't mean to imply that Milton was not Christian or was actively proselytizing for pagan beliefs, just that the imagery he created that still strongly influences the popular picture of Hell and Satan is not exactly bible-based in its origin.
If you got infinite power, you'll soon be infinitely bored. Why not mess with some people for entertainment?
I so hoped they would go with the suggestion from the guy over at LinuxHaters blog: Ubuntu 11 - "Naughty Nutgoblin". Seriously, who comes up with those naming schemes?
On a related noted, the scenario I originally mentioned is kinda ripped from this: Salvation War: Armageddon over at Stardestroyer.net. Basically, God tells mankind to go to hell, entrance to heaven is closed. Mankind tells him to sod off and gets the military rolling. Kinda Tom Clancy style military porn, but great fun to read.
That's not the whole story either - hard to pull the "good needs evil" thing out of the bible either. The whole Lucifer/Satan thing is rather apocryphal anyway and more based on Milton than on the bible itself. The words "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" are by Milton originally, spoken by his Satan. Milton didn't write Paradise Lost as a piece of Christian fiction - given how heavily influenced he was by Greek and Pagan ideas and how much of that shows in the poem. Amusingly, he is still the main source for the popular picture of hell and Satan.
Well, that pretty much sums up the works of Lewis. Arrogant Christian apologetics of a late convert trying to make up for his late conversion.
Neither do I, but I got all eternity to pull it off, after all...
In the end, it is just a question of who has the better PR department. And of course, the victor gets to rewrite history... Who knows who rebelled against whom for what reason there...
Oh, I did not mean Satan with the guy responsible for this. Any god condemning a single soul to infiinte punishment for a finite transgression is pure evil. That one would be the target in this unlikely case.
And if I unexpectedly should be thrown into that lake of fire instead of fading into nothingness, well... That would be the time to go ahead with the full survive, evade, resist, escape program and take the bastard responsible for this on. Let's see who's burning in the end.
Ah... so human rights are only valid for american citizens, yes? Others will be "dealt with"? Guess they are not human, are they? God, I try to like america. I lived there, working for a couple of months, most people seemed decent to me. This is a call to those decent people - put the fascist swine like the poster above in their place or you gonna lose a great thing.
Prison sentences based on what charge?
Getting slow at my age, young grasshopper. Enjoy your speed while it lasts.
His legal status does not depend on his opinion. Next?
Of course, the editor sets the content. No problem with that. Why is it suddenly wrong when Wikileaks does it? The GP didn't argue your point, he stated that Wikileaks is not an organ of the press, because he in his glorious majesty disapproves of the content. If he doesn't like it, he's free to open his own website, but he is NOT free to dictate other what constitutes "the press".
Licking the boots of your masters in the hope some day someone might lick yours?
So, freedom of press only applies if you approve of the content? Who died and made you chief censor?
A) There are no bad Oliver Stone movies.. ;)
B) Where do you think Stone gets his plots from? He tends to be quite accurate.
So what is the problem then with publishing documents that are basically just "gossip"? All harmless, isn't it? You can't have it both ways.