I upgraded from fedora core 1 to fedora core 2 and gnome desktop got much much slower. So did kde. I also noticed that they switched to xorg. xorg in fedora core 2 is slow. No really really slow, and used up about 72 megs of ram. Run that with Gnome and a gnome panel or two and mozilla firebird, and I saw about 80% or my memory being sucked out the window, and I have 512 megs of ram / 1.2Ghz AMD CPU.
I'll probably try fedora core 3 when it comes out, but if it is like this, I may switch to using gentoo on my desktop. Fedora does not make it easy to use the openbox window manager ( read gdm does not allow it as a selection ). They do not make it easy to use any of the other window managers that they include, except windowmaker. Why include this stuff it you are going to make it more difficult for someone to switch to it. It only confuses the end user.
I thought I had a fast PC then I installed fedora core 2 and it seems as slow as my old P233 with 64megs of ram did.
I'm not trying to be a troll, or flamebait, I'm just kinda supprised that the performance is as bad as it is, on my system. I'd really like to know if anyone else is experiencing performance degradation with thier fc2 system and what they did to overcome it?
"If you don't know what you're doing, and something is slightly off-kilter...you're better off in Debian or some other distro with an easier installer which won't give you a scary cryptic error message."
I'd suggest if you don't know what you are doing to use fedora or SuSE or Mandrake. Debian is still more for the 'geek' than fedora or SuSE.
I'd have to say that having used FreeBSD, NetBSD, RH/Fedora, and Slackware, Gentoo is a refreshing change. It gives me all the drivers in GNU/Linux, and the BSD minimalism ability. So I can install and configure the system as I want.
Only thing I haven't yet been able to do figure out is how to emerge world from packages and not build the whole world. It takes to darn long on a p233.
It appears at the bottom of the screen and if you are not looking for it ( ie looking for the normal popup window ) then you don't find the find. Lets talk about bad UI design okay?
... it will be as open source as Java is... and that is only mildly open... I do have to wonder. IfSun were to actually GPL (lol) thier source, where would that leave the SCO lawsuit ( not that that's going anywhere ). Sun competes with SCO on x86 along with Linux and BSD.
I still think it will not be GPL, but some Java type license.
Closed source is slowly becoming a thing of the past and even MS knows this. Which is why the are doing thier patent thing. So if Sun does open source their OS what will their stance be on their technology that may have patents behind them?
Actually both sides have used the supreme court to get what they want. I think last year (Texas case) the left used the supreme court to throw out sodomy laws, but it was the right that used the supreme court in the 19(70's or was it 80's) to enforce sodomy laws (Georgia case).
The Republicans realize that in todays society, that laws made by the states that limit peoples rights or take them away, are eventually going to go to court. If the Republicans stack the federal judges and supreme court with thier judges then suddenly they can take away people rights and the federal judges and supreme court with do nothing about it. The Democrates realize this too, which is why there is so much filubustering going on from BOTH sides.
The reality is that states should only be adding rights to people not taking them away. Also the states should be protecting the minority from the majority.
My problem with Republicans today is that they are more interested in using religion to justify hate and distruction of the environment. In 21 states it is unhealthy to eat the fish, because of the mercury levels. Bill Clinton was tring to pass an environment law ( which takes about 8 years to do ) to prevent the factories that dump mercury into the water supplies from doing this. This law ended up on GWB desk and he tossed it aside. If you live in one of those states then I hope you don't like fish or don't eat the fish from your state! This is just one example of what our Senators and Reps are doing to f*** over the common man ( me and you ) so that they can make more money.
Personally I hate both parties, however I see democrates as the lessor of two evils, but on some things I agree with the republicans thus I'm a registered independant.
I'd agree, but more importantly has anyone lived in a dorm room? They are not exactly that far apart. You would probably see 50 networks in a dorm room if everyone setup their own WAP.
If the school lets you use theirs then what do you need your own for?
Any ideas if they make their software available for download? It would be nice to be able to do that for my local city government. I'm sure alot of people would like to be able to track what goes on in their government.
Actually web services are kinda cool. WSDL + Java == really raelly easy. Well maybe not that easy, but Java's abilioty to do RMI makes WSDL and Java as easy as making function calls.
Anyway, my company is now moving towards We Services. I can see this becomimg more popular as time goes on to. Web Services will make sharing data easier.
In our case we have an application that has a database. Currently our clients direct populate our database. This leads to problems because NONE of the necessary edit checks are done when that data is entered into the system. It could be a week it could be 6 months before this data corruption is uncovered. When dealing with financial data that causes major problems. Especially if your GL is out of balance.
In comes are new web services. They allow our clients to enter in data using our predefined Web service API ( using WSDL ). Then they get the edit checks from the API. I can write the web services in any language I choose ( or management chose -> JAVA ), and they can use whatever language they want to talk to my web service. The clients still get to enter data, but only now it gets checked correctly ( I hope ) before the transactions geet committed.
Actually it is his right to do so. He wrote and maintained all the pwc code, so he has the right to request that it be removed.
It would be like painting a smile with teeth on the mona lisa because you did not like the smile that is there already.
If you have ever participated in discussions on the kernel mailing list, then you'd know that there is a lot of hate running through that list. People get into real heated discussions and it always comes down to GPL this and GPL that. The GPL is all good and fine, but what is the problem with a binary only module attached to the kernel. It was not shipped with the kernel it was external to the kernel. nVidia did this for a while.
Rather than everyone attacking the maintainer of this, we should be thinking that this guy went out of his way to provide us with support for many webcams that we would probably not have gotton support for.
I just want to thak the Linux kernel developers and all the people who attack this guy, because when his code goes out the kernel, all the people who use those cams are going to be sitting at their desks with a useless peice of hardware on top that does not work with. Consider it a waste of about 50-100 USD. Thanks guys! I only bought the cam because I found his site and saw it was supported.
I'd suggest that if this is your request, that you take over maintainership of the pwc module. It was released under the GPL so there is no reason that you cannot maintain it now.
LOL... DNA... I think its NDA... In reading your post I actually thought he had to give some of his own DNA to get the information ROTFLOL... and it sounded really weird, then I realized that you must have meant NDA ( none disclosure agreement ).
I haven't had my coffee this morning so I'm a little slow at these things:-).
I've had a GNU/Linux PC for almost 8 years now, and for each upgrade I've paid a couple of dollars, probably in total less than or around $50. I can't get a copy of any windows (except 3.1) for that price. The hardware is the same and once its setup it just works. So I don't get these win vs linux comparisons. They are both about the same today, it really depends on do you have windows admins or UNIX / BSD / Linux admins.
80 columns died when they came out with 132 column printers. Where have you been?
No seriously on Linux use svgatextmode if you can or a framebuffer driver and try to expand the columns on your screen. Or just use X / windows elsewhere.
I guess I see it as a situation where there are people who's motives are to find the exploits in various operating systems, and instead of explotiing them they point them out. So I guess I feel if you are looking for exploits in the code, then you may be able to find them but only if you know what you are looking at. The linux kernel is not rocket science. While it does take skill an knowledge to add enhancements, and bug fixes. If you are that skilled, one would hope you also are aware of what causes the exploits.
My point is, that if someone was a terrorist and managed to get a job at microsoft and implemented an exploit. Take for instance a few months ago there was an exploit in open source where someone introduced some code into libpcap. They basically made is so that packets were 'cc'd' in the packet monitoring, so to speak. It was found out and then fixed because someone could look at the source and noticed the weirdness in the code. In the case of MS, noone could look at the code, so it could stay burried in a dll for the longest time. If that dll was a winsock dll, noone would know until the dll got rewritten, which is more likely to happen in open source than in commercial software vendors, only because its usually to expensive for a vendor to rewrite.
But if skilled contributors look at the same source, they will never see the security problems.
I'm not sure I'd say never. I can see your argument, that having the source makes it possible to see exploits. My question is what's to stop the taliban from infriltrating MS and putting malicious code in MS code. Code that noone except MS will see. At least with open source you can do audits, bugfixes, and rewrites as the code is there.
What makes you so sure that the taliban has beeter coders than the open source coders?
In CSS1 it does not have this limitation. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1#width
It seems to be only CSS2. So I think that the issue is that Gecko based browser are using CSS2 rules and IE is still supporting CSS1 where it does not specfiy this.
It's hard to understand what you mean when you mix up your terminology like that
Obviously its not that hard to understand what I was talking about, cause you got it. The point was not which browser was right, the point is that they differ.
This property does not apply to non-replaced inline-level elements. The width of a non-replaced inline element's boxes is that of the rendered content within them (before any relative offset of children).
Yes I know, you got this from the spec. To me this is more confusing. What is a non-replaced in line level element?
Lastly if someone comes to a web site and decides to spoof a useragent, then their browser better be able to render the content like the useragent they are spoofing.
However in the dom there are otherways of spoofing out a useragents capabilities. EG:
if ( document.getElementById ) { do your document.getElementByID }
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.. maybe.. having used powerbuilder it would be a really cool tool to do java development in. less thought and more development...
.. with human body parts.. monad.. go---.. ;-0
I thought I had a fast PC then I installed fedora core 2 and it seems as slow as my old P233 with 64megs of ram did.
I'm not trying to be a troll, or flamebait, I'm just kinda supprised that the performance is as bad as it is, on my system. I'd really like to know if anyone else is experiencing performance degradation with thier fc2 system and what they did to overcome it?
I'd suggest if you don't know what you are doing to use fedora or SuSE or Mandrake. Debian is still more for the 'geek' than fedora or SuSE.
I'd have to say that having used FreeBSD, NetBSD, RH/Fedora, and Slackware, Gentoo is a refreshing change. It gives me all the drivers in GNU/Linux, and the BSD minimalism ability. So I can install and configure the system as I want.
Only thing I haven't yet been able to do figure out is how to emerge world from packages and not build the whole world. It takes to darn long on a p233.
It appears at the bottom of the screen and if you are not looking for it ( ie looking for the normal popup window ) then you don't find the find. Lets talk about bad UI design okay?
I still think it will not be GPL, but some Java type license.
Closed source is slowly becoming a thing of the past and even MS knows this. Which is why the are doing thier patent thing. So if Sun does open source their OS what will their stance be on their technology that may have patents behind them?
The Republicans realize that in todays society, that laws made by the states that limit peoples rights or take them away, are eventually going to go to court. If the Republicans stack the federal judges and supreme court with thier judges then suddenly they can take away people rights and the federal judges and supreme court with do nothing about it. The Democrates realize this too, which is why there is so much filubustering going on from BOTH sides.
The reality is that states should only be adding rights to people not taking them away. Also the states should be protecting the minority from the majority.
My problem with Republicans today is that they are more interested in using religion to justify hate and distruction of the environment. In 21 states it is unhealthy to eat the fish, because of the mercury levels. Bill Clinton was tring to pass an environment law ( which takes about 8 years to do ) to prevent the factories that dump mercury into the water supplies from doing this. This law ended up on GWB desk and he tossed it aside. If you live in one of those states then I hope you don't like fish or don't eat the fish from your state! This is just one example of what our Senators and Reps are doing to f*** over the common man ( me and you ) so that they can make more money.
Personally I hate both parties, however I see democrates as the lessor of two evils, but on some things I agree with the republicans thus I'm a registered independant.
If the school lets you use theirs then what do you need your own for?
Any ideas if they make their software available for download? It would be nice to be able to do that for my local city government. I'm sure alot of people would like to be able to track what goes on in their government.
.. so does that count? Its not GPL, but if anyone wants to buy it and link against it / compile it they can. They just cant sell it.
Also depends on weather they use buggy electronic ballot boxes that work questionably...
Anyway, my company is now moving towards We Services. I can see this becomimg more popular as time goes on to. Web Services will make sharing data easier.
In our case we have an application that has a database. Currently our clients direct populate our database. This leads to problems because NONE of the necessary edit checks are done when that data is entered into the system. It could be a week it could be 6 months before this data corruption is uncovered. When dealing with financial data that causes major problems. Especially if your GL is out of balance.
In comes are new web services. They allow our clients to enter in data using our predefined Web service API ( using WSDL ). Then they get the edit checks from the API. I can write the web services in any language I choose ( or management chose -> JAVA ), and they can use whatever language they want to talk to my web service. The clients still get to enter data, but only now it gets checked correctly ( I hope ) before the transactions geet committed.
If this module goes out of the kernel, then people like me who bought the cam because it could do 640x480 are basically screwed.
So what supported webcams do 640x480 under Linux and do it well?
It would be like painting a smile with teeth on the mona lisa because you did not like the smile that is there already.
If you have ever participated in discussions on the kernel mailing list, then you'd know that there is a lot of hate running through that list. People get into real heated discussions and it always comes down to GPL this and GPL that. The GPL is all good and fine, but what is the problem with a binary only module attached to the kernel. It was not shipped with the kernel it was external to the kernel. nVidia did this for a while.
Rather than everyone attacking the maintainer of this, we should be thinking that this guy went out of his way to provide us with support for many webcams that we would probably not have gotton support for.
I just want to thak the Linux kernel developers and all the people who attack this guy, because when his code goes out the kernel, all the people who use those cams are going to be sitting at their desks with a useless peice of hardware on top that does not work with. Consider it a waste of about 50-100 USD. Thanks guys! I only bought the cam because I found his site and saw it was supported.
I'd suggest that if this is your request, that you take over maintainership of the pwc module. It was released under the GPL so there is no reason that you cannot maintain it now.
I haven't had my coffee this morning so I'm a little slow at these things :-).
I've had a GNU/Linux PC for almost 8 years now, and for each upgrade I've paid a couple of dollars, probably in total less than or around $50. I can't get a copy of any windows (except 3.1) for that price. The hardware is the same and once its setup it just works. So I don't get these win vs linux comparisons. They are both about the same today, it really depends on do you have windows admins or UNIX / BSD / Linux admins.
Just a thought... I'd agree with you though this ruling seems wrong. I kinda feel that religion is taking presidence over speech in this case.
No seriously on Linux use svgatextmode if you can or a framebuffer driver and try to expand the columns on your screen. Or just use X / windows elsewhere.
80 columns is thought of as old.
.. use their validator....http://validator.w3.org/
So what about div's? Aren't they also replaced elements? Aren't they supposed to allow setting of width and height?
My point is, that if someone was a terrorist and managed to get a job at microsoft and implemented an exploit. Take for instance a few months ago there was an exploit in open source where someone introduced some code into libpcap. They basically made is so that packets were 'cc'd' in the packet monitoring, so to speak. It was found out and then fixed because someone could look at the source and noticed the weirdness in the code. In the case of MS, noone could look at the code, so it could stay burried in a dll for the longest time. If that dll was a winsock dll, noone would know until the dll got rewritten, which is more likely to happen in open source than in commercial software vendors, only because its usually to expensive for a vendor to rewrite.
I'm not sure I'd say never. I can see your argument, that having the source makes it possible to see exploits. My question is what's to stop the taliban from infriltrating MS and putting malicious code in MS code. Code that noone except MS will see. At least with open source you can do audits, bugfixes, and rewrites as the code is there.
What makes you so sure that the taliban has beeter coders than the open source coders?
It seems to be only CSS2. So I think that the issue is that Gecko based browser are using CSS2 rules and IE is still supporting CSS1 where it does not specfiy this.
Obviously its not that hard to understand what I was talking about, cause you got it. The point was not which browser was right, the point is that they differ.
Yes I know, you got this from the spec. To me this is more confusing. What is a non-replaced in line level element?
Lastly if someone comes to a web site and decides to spoof a useragent, then their browser better be able to render the content like the useragent they are spoofing.
However in the dom there are otherways of spoofing out a useragents capabilities. EG:
if ( document.getElementById ) { do your document.getElementByID }
A web browser cant fake that kind of sniffing.