Yahoo messenger and aim. I know gaim works with text chat and these two systems, but I am wondering if they are going to also connect into the video and audio chat of aim and ymessenger. I have lots of friends that use yahoo messenger or aim and I chat with them this way. It would be nice to be able to use my quickcam 4000 and to chat with my mac friends, who are using ymessenger or aim.
"Given the amount of software I have on my Linux box, I think a BSD/Gentoo-like build process just wouldn't be practical for me."
No kidding. My NetBSD box taks hours to compile all these packages. If all you want to do is upgrade xscreensaver, all you have to type is make update ( or is it upgrade ). But what happens in the background is that it probably has newer requirements, like an updated gtk, which depends on pango updates, and that depends on.. and so on and so on, and then suddenly updating one program becomes updateing the WHOLE gnome desktop and compiling from sources. On an old 233Mhz that is a long time. But hey NetBSD and FreeBSD install on on old 233Mhz with only 64Megs of RAM, Redhat doesn't, ( debian does though ).
I agree "The choice shouldn't been between huge amounts of recompilation..." but I can't see having the whole GUI using JITs. Also most of these programs use dynamic binding.
See the problem is that the maintainers of these packages, upgrade the requirements of the packages based on new features in these packages or just because it is the latest in the release tree and assumed to have less bugs. IE. xscreensaver probably would have compiled fine in teh above example with the gtk onn my system, but the Makefile for it has a requires gtk 2.2.x+ or something like that in it which it then checks to see if it is installed on the system. It should really have done, if gtkversion == 2.0 compile with gtk 2.0, and leave our whatever features that it is missing. Chances are there are none that require gtk 2.2 and 2.0 wont work just fine. However if it was gtk = 1.2 then update. A better example is programs that still use gtk 1.2. Is there really a difference between gtk 1.2.10 and 1.2.10nb2? Probably not enough that you are required to upgrade all the programs on the system. They should add an option, and call it make update_all which updates ALL the dependancies and then the default behavior should be make update just this one program. That's what the problem is with this compile stuff. I use Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Windows, Sun, and Mac. They all have their plusses and minuses. It really depends on what you think is important.
Patents have maintainence fees. I wonder if they paid them. I also think that they probably just figured out that jpeg falls under their patent, which makes me think that it must have had broad claims.
If it is a few hardware devices then it wont be a huge issue to debian users. But if suddently all wireless devices stop working ( probably overkill ) then what will be left? Replace wireless devices with your favorite hardware device that may stop working. I hope he puts out a list of all things that will stop working or will require users to do more in their configs.
I'm makeing way less now then I was back in the dot com boom. One of the reasons so much of this is going overseas is because many programmers are asking to much and companies think there are loads of programmers out there ( which there are ) so they offer less and require you to do more.
The fact is that any chimp can program, especially if it is code they wrote. Try debugging someone elses program and that is much harder. Try solving real world solutions and not school made problems, and it is a different story. I'M NOT saying you are a bad programmer. I am saying that many people can't solve some of these simple tasks and are programmers.
What is the largest program you worked with? How big are these companies? What area do you live in? These all play into how much you get paid. When I was graduating from college years ago getting 38k as an engineer was good. If you live in kansas, I'd guess that 15k is good ( its fairly cheap there ) . If you are in NY it is probably more like 45k. It also depends on what language. I've heard perl programmers and C programmers get less than java programmers, but that may have changed.
Redhat has done their own thing as far as kernels go for the past I don't know how many years.
There 2.4 kernel has support for lmsensors, which is not in 2.4 default. They have support for more drivers to. So what. Redhat will support these features if they put them in their kernel. They have to, especially since there new business modle is selling redhat OS for a pretty penny.
I would think that Fedora would just make their system 2.6 asnd 2.4 compatible when Fedora core 2 comes out.
I've had issues with Redhat doing things like this in the past, and you can still use the default kernel with Redhat, you just have to know what you are doing.
SuSE has their own kernel too. They are just upset cause they didn't think of it first. Some people will not want to upgrade to 2.6 because of its newness, but they will want the features. If these can be ported back, and supported by Redhat then what is the big deal? Its open source people and as long as Redhat gives the source code away also they are well within their rights under the GPL. Remeber the GPL says something about "use and modify as long as you give the source...". They always have done this and always will. So what!
Actualy you do have a right click in OS X it is just hidden so to speak. Try Ctl-Apple Mouse button, or try hooking up a 2 buttoned mouse.
I do agree to an extent with the writer. The main focus of open source is often from a programmers point of view, so most programmers or computer savy people are more confortable with it. KDE and GNOME have vastly improved, but still have a few weak areas.
In the case of a mac, my roommmate can go to the Mac store and buy a printer, camera, video camer, software, install it and use and not have to think about how to get it running. You can't do that with Linux, there are few if any stores that sell Linux software, linux cameras, linux video cameras, etc, ( except for online stores ). Buy a quickcam 4000 and try to get it running. You must download special software and then 'compile...' I'm sorry but once you start haveing to require a person to compile anything they loose interest if all they want to do is use the computer. Most people think of the computer as a tool to do a task and don't want to f*** with the OS to get stuff done. Redhat and SuSE and several other vendors and programmers have made installing it and using it somewhat easier, yes, but my experience has been Mac is easeier to use, and I use Linux as my primary desktop. Windows is even easier to use.
The difference is that both Windows and Mac have UI designers, that work at the whole look and feel and making things easier for the end user. Most open source projects dont have that and need it desperately.
I think the point that you may have missed in the article is that the design of most open source is by a programmer and used by other programmers who understand all this stuff. End Users dont. I do, but I'm a programmer.
To many of the HOWTOS out there are missing a few things here and there and require a little debugging. They usually cover the majority of cases, but people don't want to read a how to they want to turn on a computer and it just works. The reason cell phones have gained such a huge acceptance today is because you just turn it on and it works. That is what made Palm so liked, was the fact that it was a simple UI. This is what Mac is famous for. The simple to use UI. of course if someone tells an open source programmer that their UI is lacking, they take offense. Hey why shouldn't they! They did it for free.
I thought I was already taxed on that.. isn't this against some law about interstate commerce? I know I can be taxed in the state I buy stuff in, but should I really be taxed in the state I live in for that? Isn't that like taxing me for bringing something across the border of one state? If I go to a state and that state does not have sales tax and then I bring it back to a state that does have sales tax am I supposed to report that? And then isn't that against some insterstate commerce law of way back where you can't atx someone for brining something into thier home state from another state?
Sure I understand that if I go to California and buy something CA is going to charge me sales tax, but if I bring that to Oregon, Oregon is not supposed to tax me for bringing it in the state. Why is it that if I buy something in Oregon and bring it to CA that CA wants me to pay tax on that, and I though there was some free trade / interstate commerce law that forbid that kind of taxation?
.. then Redhat and probably a few other people will be able to get whatever is left over. If all that is left over is IP rights, the question will then become will Redhat be able to get those rights and what would they do with them if they did?
Would Redhat finally open source and free the IP?
Free IP free IP.. I think that it is obvious SCO is going down...
Any company that has partnered with MS seems to have been either bought by, or hindered by things like this. EG: Netscape -> gone for all intents and purpses, and while mozilla lives on, the market share is small. Real.com -> While they are still around, who uses real over windows media player or quicktime? Corel -> yeah they are still around, but didn't MS dump its stock in them? Mac -> MS owns part of Mac, or at least last time I checked they did.
My guess is that Sun and MS would play real nice in Windows services for UNIX, of course I just use cygwin and don't pay for more MS licenses.
Just my 2 cents.... I know Sun is in trouble and they are probably doing this as a last resort, to save money.
What I have found to work well is the use of a little css. You can use css to set font size and font family, and href attributes, but I still use tables for layout. I find they scale easier when dealing with internationalization and forms where you want label / input in columns. I try to avoid nexted tables. Doing this makes the pages still viewable in old browsers, or limited browsers, but also makes it a nicer experience in newer browsers. People still use lynx, and links and neither has support for css. They both kinds just strip it all down.
I actually think what the problem is, is that these states have such huge budget deficits ( California in particular) that they are looking for ways to generate income. I think ultimately this may end up in court though.
To me it has kinda become like a library, only worse. How can you stop someone from taking your stuff, unless you threaten to sue. That's costly. You can ask, but people ignore you. Foriegn countries ( I'm in US ) don't obey the same rules. If they did we'd be able to control spam in the US.
The internet is so open, you just have to let it go. At best you can send them an email and ask them to stop. If that does not work, contact the goverment of that country and see if they give a f***. After they stop laughing at you, you can only do one thing. Cry.
yeah, that's true. and when you bring that item back to your home state, you don't pay taxes on it again and are not required to either. essentially what they are suggesting is almost an import tax, between states. I could see paying taxes in the state that is selling the item, but not the state that I live in. Again, I think the business should have to pay the tax on their sales and then pass that to the end user / buyer. That is the only way it would work.
... what's the difference if I go to the other state and buy the product in that state and bring it to CA?
If they want to really collect tax they need to find a way to make the seller responsible for collecting the taxes not they buyer to report them. So now what, all companies in CA who buy things from CDW or tigerdirect are suppose to report how much they bough on the internet and then report that to the IRS? That will create a tax nightmare. Good luck to them at auditing!
NO seriously, they have several mini itx motherboards, cases, sound cards, etc, and usually if you buy a harddrive and some other components, you can get a copy of Lindows / Lin---s included for free. I am looking into this to save some space on my desktop. In fact here is one example http://www.idotpc.com/TheStore/Desktop/806Spec.asp ?Product.id=806&Cate.id=19
Usually when MS forms an alliance with someone for any reason they want to put them out of business somehow, but not sure if that would happen in this case. Isn't sendmail GPL or BSD licensed?
Well not entirely, but enough of one that it wont make such a difference in which one someone chooses. KDE has shown that it does do a supurb job with its applications. There are many window managers, but not all are actively maintained. It is nice to see KDE / GNOME being maintained and rather than the two arguing over which should be 'the' desktop, realizing that the whole purpose of the desktop is for the end user experience, and that working togeather in these ways it makes it a better experience for the end user. You will have to have lots of libraies on your system though, but I'd imagine that most distros will take care of this for their users.
My guess is that you don't get it. If an 800 lb gorilla, as YOU call them, offers you money to change your name, are you going to refuse, KNOWING that they sued Lin---s and made them change their name or are you going to tell them no? Your going to say okay, sure, because you can't afford the lawyers. MS does not see wxWidgets as a threat to their business. They offer a widget set as an alternative to VC++ /.net, but their market share is probably so negligible that MS just sees them as an annoyance, and does not want them causing any possible confusion.
Hmm have you ever heard of Netscape? Don't you remember what they did to them? Those that forget the past are condemed to repeat it.
If MS approached you and there was only a few of you, what would you do? Threaten to sue them when you have little money?
Chances are they did not intend to 'infringe on MS' Windows name. Problem is that this may set a presidence. IE Whats next changing the name of X-Windows to X-widgets?
What else, calling windows, glass doorways?
Personally I think they should have just agreed to a statement on the web site saying if you are looking for MS Windows go here and point people to ms web site.
This just sets a bad president for MS to go after anyone who has windows in their name, like X-Windows. Guess we need to call it XFree86.
I had to do the same thing. I set up a windows server with adobe distiller and created a simple active x object on the box. Threw it into a web service and made it 'thread safe'. Distiller is not thread safe so you have to use semaphores to do a little locking while one pdf is being generated. Get a quick server and its no biggie. Then make your active X object a web service either using dot net or get jacob ( java com bridge => http://danadler.com/jacob/) and java. I used jacob.
You now have a web service you can all anywhere. Stick your apache server on the firewall with 2 nics. One nic it can use to call the webservice and the other it can use to serve requests. If you dont want it on the firewall, you can put it outside the firewall and use ipsec to secure the point from the webserver to your firewall. It works great for us.
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Yahoo messenger and aim. I know gaim works with text chat and these two systems, but I am wondering if they are going to also connect into the video and audio chat of aim and ymessenger. I have lots of friends that use yahoo messenger or aim and I chat with them this way. It would be nice to be able to use my quickcam 4000 and to chat with my mac friends, who are using ymessenger or aim.
No kidding. My NetBSD box taks hours to compile all these packages. If all you want to do is upgrade xscreensaver, all you have to type is make update ( or is it upgrade ). But what happens in the background is that it probably has newer requirements, like an updated gtk, which depends on pango updates, and that depends on .. and so on and so on, and then suddenly updating one program becomes updateing the WHOLE gnome desktop and compiling from sources. On an old 233Mhz that is a long time. But hey NetBSD and FreeBSD install on on old 233Mhz with only 64Megs of RAM, Redhat doesn't, ( debian does though ).
I agree "The choice shouldn't been between huge amounts of recompilation ..." but I can't see having the whole GUI using JITs. Also most of these programs use dynamic binding.
See the problem is that the maintainers of these packages, upgrade the requirements of the packages based on new features in these packages or just because it is the latest in the release tree and assumed to have less bugs. IE. xscreensaver probably would have compiled fine in teh above example with the gtk onn my system, but the Makefile for it has a requires gtk 2.2.x+ or something like that in it which it then checks to see if it is installed on the system. It should really have done, if gtkversion == 2.0 compile with gtk 2.0, and leave our whatever features that it is missing. Chances are there are none that require gtk 2.2 and 2.0 wont work just fine. However if it was gtk = 1.2 then update. A better example is programs that still use gtk 1.2. Is there really a difference between gtk 1.2.10 and 1.2.10nb2? Probably not enough that you are required to upgrade all the programs on the system. They should add an option, and call it make update_all which updates ALL the dependancies and then the default behavior should be make update just this one program. That's what the problem is with this compile stuff. I use Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Windows, Sun, and Mac. They all have their plusses and minuses. It really depends on what you think is important.
Patents have maintainence fees. I wonder if they paid them. I also think that they probably just figured out that jpeg falls under their patent, which makes me think that it must have had broad claims.
If it is a few hardware devices then it wont be a huge issue to debian users. But if suddently all wireless devices stop working ( probably overkill ) then what will be left? Replace wireless devices with your favorite hardware device that may stop working. I hope he puts out a list of all things that will stop working or will require users to do more in their configs.
I'm makeing way less now then I was back in the dot com boom. One of the reasons so much of this is going overseas is because many programmers are asking to much and companies think there are loads of programmers out there ( which there are ) so they offer less and require you to do more.
The fact is that any chimp can program, especially if it is code they wrote. Try debugging someone elses program and that is much harder. Try solving real world solutions and not school made problems, and it is a different story. I'M NOT saying you are a bad programmer. I am saying that many people can't solve some of these simple tasks and are programmers.
What is the largest program you worked with? How big are these companies? What area do you live in? These all play into how much you get paid. When I was graduating from college years ago getting 38k as an engineer was good. If you live in kansas, I'd guess that 15k is good ( its fairly cheap there ) . If you are in NY it is probably more like 45k. It also depends on what language. I've heard perl programmers and C programmers get less than java programmers, but that may have changed.
There 2.4 kernel has support for lmsensors, which is not in 2.4 default. They have support for more drivers to. So what. Redhat will support these features if they put them in their kernel. They have to, especially since there new business modle is selling redhat OS for a pretty penny.
I would think that Fedora would just make their system 2.6 asnd 2.4 compatible when Fedora core 2 comes out.
I've had issues with Redhat doing things like this in the past, and you can still use the default kernel with Redhat, you just have to know what you are doing.
SuSE has their own kernel too. They are just upset cause they didn't think of it first. Some people will not want to upgrade to 2.6 because of its newness, but they will want the features. If these can be ported back, and supported by Redhat then what is the big deal? Its open source people and as long as Redhat gives the source code away also they are well within their rights under the GPL. Remeber the GPL says something about "use and modify as long as you give the source ...". They always have done this and always will. So what!
go 4 SCO.. and stop them from selling SCO products...
I do agree to an extent with the writer. The main focus of open source is often from a programmers point of view, so most programmers or computer savy people are more confortable with it. KDE and GNOME have vastly improved, but still have a few weak areas.
In the case of a mac, my roommmate can go to the Mac store and buy a printer, camera, video camer, software, install it and use and not have to think about how to get it running. You can't do that with Linux, there are few if any stores that sell Linux software, linux cameras, linux video cameras, etc, ( except for online stores ). Buy a quickcam 4000 and try to get it running. You must download special software and then 'compile...' I'm sorry but once you start haveing to require a person to compile anything they loose interest if all they want to do is use the computer. Most people think of the computer as a tool to do a task and don't want to f*** with the OS to get stuff done. Redhat and SuSE and several other vendors and programmers have made installing it and using it somewhat easier, yes, but my experience has been Mac is easeier to use, and I use Linux as my primary desktop. Windows is even easier to use.
The difference is that both Windows and Mac have UI designers, that work at the whole look and feel and making things easier for the end user. Most open source projects dont have that and need it desperately.
I think the point that you may have missed in the article is that the design of most open source is by a programmer and used by other programmers who understand all this stuff. End Users dont. I do, but I'm a programmer.
To many of the HOWTOS out there are missing a few things here and there and require a little debugging. They usually cover the majority of cases, but people don't want to read a how to they want to turn on a computer and it just works. The reason cell phones have gained such a huge acceptance today is because you just turn it on and it works. That is what made Palm so liked, was the fact that it was a simple UI. This is what Mac is famous for. The simple to use UI. of course if someone tells an open source programmer that their UI is lacking, they take offense. Hey why shouldn't they! They did it for free.
Bottom line is you get what you pay for!
Oh.. usually I put a dash not 0, and I didn't see that question on my tax form....
Sure I understand that if I go to California and buy something CA is going to charge me sales tax, but if I bring that to Oregon, Oregon is not supposed to tax me for bringing it in the state. Why is it that if I buy something in Oregon and bring it to CA that CA wants me to pay tax on that, and I though there was some free trade / interstate commerce law that forbid that kind of taxation?
Would Redhat finally open source and free the IP?
Free IP free IP.. I think that it is obvious SCO is going down...
Any company that has partnered with MS seems to have been either bought by, or hindered by things like this. EG: Netscape -> gone for all intents and purpses, and while mozilla lives on, the market share is small. Real.com -> While they are still around, who uses real over windows media player or quicktime? Corel -> yeah they are still around, but didn't MS dump its stock in them? Mac -> MS owns part of Mac, or at least last time I checked they did.
My guess is that Sun and MS would play real nice in Windows services for UNIX, of course I just use cygwin and don't pay for more MS licenses.
Just my 2 cents.... I know Sun is in trouble and they are probably doing this as a last resort, to save money.
What I have found to work well is the use of a little css. You can use css to set font size and font family, and href attributes, but I still use tables for layout. I find they scale easier when dealing with internationalization and forms where you want label / input in columns. I try to avoid nexted tables. Doing this makes the pages still viewable in old browsers, or limited browsers, but also makes it a nicer experience in newer browsers. People still use lynx, and links and neither has support for css. They both kinds just strip it all down.
Hmmm I'd say they are now committing a terrorist act and that they should go ;-) LOL...
I actually think what the problem is, is that these states have such huge budget deficits ( California in particular) that they are looking for ways to generate income. I think ultimately this may end up in court though.
To me it has kinda become like a library, only worse. How can you stop someone from taking your stuff, unless you threaten to sue. That's costly. You can ask, but people ignore you. Foriegn countries ( I'm in US ) don't obey the same rules. If they did we'd be able to control spam in the US.
The internet is so open, you just have to let it go. At best you can send them an email and ask them to stop. If that does not work, contact the goverment of that country and see if they give a f***. After they stop laughing at you, you can only do one thing. Cry.
yeah, that's true. and when you bring that item back to your home state, you don't pay taxes on it again and are not required to either. essentially what they are suggesting is almost an import tax, between states. I could see paying taxes in the state that is selling the item, but not the state that I live in. Again, I think the business should have to pay the tax on their sales and then pass that to the end user / buyer. That is the only way it would work.
If they want to really collect tax they need to find a way to make the seller responsible for collecting the taxes not they buyer to report them. So now what, all companies in CA who buy things from CDW or tigerdirect are suppose to report how much they bough on the internet and then report that to the IRS? That will create a tax nightmare. Good luck to them at auditing!
NO seriously, they have several mini itx motherboards, cases, sound cards, etc, and usually if you buy a harddrive and some other components, you can get a copy of Lindows / Lin---s included for free. I am looking into this to save some space on my desktop. In fact here is one example http://www.idotpc.com/TheStore/Desktop/806Spec.asp ?Product.id=806&Cate.id=19
I have not tried them personally though.
We need to know who the patent examiner on this is and send him the list of prior art on this.
Usually when MS forms an alliance with someone for any reason they want to put them out of business somehow, but not sure if that would happen in this case. Isn't sendmail GPL or BSD licensed?
Well not entirely, but enough of one that it wont make such a difference in which one someone chooses. KDE has shown that it does do a supurb job with its applications. There are many window managers, but not all are actively maintained. It is nice to see KDE / GNOME being maintained and rather than the two arguing over which should be 'the' desktop, realizing that the whole purpose of the desktop is for the end user experience, and that working togeather in these ways it makes it a better experience for the end user. You will have to have lots of libraies on your system though, but I'd imagine that most distros will take care of this for their users.
Hmm have you ever heard of Netscape? Don't you remember what they did to them? Those that forget the past are condemed to repeat it.
Chances are they did not intend to 'infringe on MS' Windows name. Problem is that this may set a presidence. IE Whats next changing the name of X-Windows to X-widgets?
What else, calling windows, glass doorways?
Personally I think they should have just agreed to a statement on the web site saying if you are looking for MS Windows go here and point people to ms web site.
This just sets a bad president for MS to go after anyone who has windows in their name, like X-Windows. Guess we need to call it XFree86.
You now have a web service you can all anywhere. Stick your apache server on the firewall with 2 nics. One nic it can use to call the webservice and the other it can use to serve requests. If you dont want it on the firewall, you can put it outside the firewall and use ipsec to secure the point from the webserver to your firewall. It works great for us.