I just downloaded the app for Win and took it for a spin. Very stable.
Ehhh...how can you say something is "very stable" when you just downloaded it? I'm not saying it isn't, but from the obviously short time you must have used it, you simply can't have any idea about whether it is "very stable".
For one, most sites don't have the budget to develop to standards. It's much easier to code to specifics and use non-standard work-arounds where possible then to boil everything down to the least common denominator (which standards are supported by whom). When I say easier, I mean that years of experience have instilled intimate knowledge in the seasoned web developer that almost comes as instinct now.
Yes, a lot of "web designers" will have to re-learn how to create websites. They will have to learn CSS and other such stuff and it will take some time before they are able to make beautiful websites as fast as they could before. I believe you'll get those money you invested in education, back pretty quickly. You talk about coding to specifics - how much more specific than the W3C recommendations can you get?. Instead of having to create several versions of your website to make it look good in both Netscape 4.x and IE, you just create *one* version of your site. That can't be anything but cheaper. You will probably have to make some adjustments because the browsers (as all other software) have bugs or don't support a particular part of the CSS recommendation, but it has always been like that. Your website may not look the same in all browser, but that was never the intention with html (others have explained this much better than I can), so it's really not suprising. The good thing is that by seperating content and style, you can change your design much faster than before.
Eh...what? He doesn't say that you should drop supporting lynx. Actually, by using CSS instead of a table based layout with a lot of font tags and stuff, your site will most likely look a lot better and be much easier to read in lynx and other viewers that doesn't support the more fancy stuff.
Besides, this is one chapter of a whole book, don't judge the man on this single chapter.
I didn't state they did, but what use is it to me if I can't watch it? They could make them available for $0.01 - it would be of no use to me no matter what.
You are primarily speaking about Dansk Folkeparti - that's not the same as the government. No, I don't like Pia Kjaersgaard - she is an incredible annoying person.
I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but mentioning the current Danish government and anything remotely related to Nazi in the same sentence makes you look really stupid.
Yes, Ogg is good for low bitrates, and it'd be great to see it adopted as a streaming format, but I don't think there's really a need to convert to Ogg yet.
I can give you at least one good reason: Ogg Vorbis is an open and patent free "standard". Ogg Vorbis also produces smaller files.
Unless you need MP3 because you have a hardware player that only support that, I see no reason to encode using anything but Ogg Vorbis. I'll not buy a player that doesn't support Ogg Vorbis and I've told the manufactures that.
Do you really believe the former government planned to continue to fund the windmill industry forever?! Cut the crap, will you? I'm not saying we should abandon producing windmills, but the industry has recieved a lot of funding in the last few years. An industry that's not able to survive without massive government funding, isn't a good thing IMHO.
Why do you talk about the Danish Center of Human Rights? That has absolutely nothing to do with this and only shows your obviously dislike the current government. It was a very controversial suggestion and it came from Dansk Folkeparti (I dislike Pia Kjaersgaard, just as much as you). Should we also talk a bit about all the stupid suggestions Enhedslisten have come up with?! If they were in control, cars would have been banned in Denmark (yes, that is a joke, but they do believe that public transport fits everyone - yearh right). They have absolutely no sence of how the real world works.
IIRC, it was the plan under the previous government too, that the funding for wind mills should be slowed down and eventually stopped. The goal was (again, IIRC) to reach 14% in wind power and we have reached that goal. It's not good to have an industry that can't live without government funding. Furtunately the wind mills are getting (a lot) bigger and better and should soon be able to compete in the energy marked.
Opinions, yes, but we are far from anything that looks like such a law in Denmark. A study about open source should be released sometime later this year here, it'll be interesting to see what that says...
You've got it all wrong. The primary issue is exactly that the government should use only open formats and standards. It's not enough that the tool they use is capable of using an open format - under Sincere Choice, the government should would never use.doc (unless MS made it completely open). The issues you talk about doesn't exist. The whole point is to let the users use whatever tool they think is the best tool for the job.
Do you really think that there would have been that much coordinated activity among so many people with differing goals and viewpoints, and in a Machevelian way? No, sorry. I actually could not get Red Hat to sign on to Sincere Choice, Tiemann had alread decided on his direction.
I understand why Tiemann didn't want to sign on to Sincere Choice, but it is still sad, because I donøt think they have a chance of getting anywhere with their proposal. Sincere Choice is much better and have a much better chance of becomming reality.
Since they link to jabber.com in the story - will they be using their technology?
I'm on that impressed by the jabber.com clients though. JIM (their client) hasn't been updated for "ages" it seems and it's not because it's bug free...
They have a webclient too...which only works with IE5-IE6 and Netscape 4.x! I'm NOT impressed!
* Windows network protocols should be well documented in such a way that other companies can write software that interfaces with Windows clients (like SAMBA) and Windows servers (like Ximian Connector).
What of they do make those available, but under a license that restricts the use of the open source licenses like the GPL/LGPL and others?
I would not be the least surprised if they released it with a license like that. IIRC, they have already released some stuff under such a license.
We don't hear much brou-ha-ha with regards to the European patent system, so presumably you folks are doing something right.
Sadly, this is not true:( I'm no expert in these matters, I can tell you that we already have software patents in Europe and we have some bad ones too. Right now you have to apply for a patent in each country (AFAIK, but I'm not 100% sure about it), hat they are about to do right now is to change that so you only have to apply once for all of EU.
In regards to stupid patents - we have a patent that makes it impossible to use special Danish letters in domain names (this is actually a world wide patent). Online banking is patented too.
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I just downloaded the app for Win and took it for a spin. Very stable.
Ehhh...how can you say something is "very stable" when you just downloaded it? I'm not saying it isn't, but from the obviously short time you must have used it, you simply can't have any idea about whether it is "very stable".
For one, most sites don't have the budget to develop to standards. It's much easier to code to specifics and use non-standard work-arounds where possible then to boil everything down to the least common denominator (which standards are supported by whom). When I say easier, I mean that years of experience have instilled intimate knowledge in the seasoned web developer that almost comes as instinct now.
Yes, a lot of "web designers" will have to re-learn how to create websites. They will have to learn CSS and other such stuff and it will take some time before they are able to make beautiful websites as fast as they could before. I believe you'll get those money you invested in education, back pretty quickly. You talk about coding to specifics - how much more specific than the W3C recommendations can you get?. Instead of having to create several versions of your website to make it look good in both Netscape 4.x and IE, you just create *one* version of your site. That can't be anything but cheaper. You will probably have to make some adjustments because the browsers (as all other software) have bugs or don't support a particular part of the CSS recommendation, but it has always been like that. Your website may not look the same in all browser, but that was never the intention with html (others have explained this much better than I can), so it's really not suprising. The good thing is that by seperating content and style, you can change your design much faster than before.
Eh...what? He doesn't say that you should drop supporting lynx. Actually, by using CSS instead of a table based layout with a lot of font tags and stuff, your site will most likely look a lot better and be much easier to read in lynx and other viewers that doesn't support the more fancy stuff.
Besides, this is one chapter of a whole book, don't judge the man on this single chapter.
I do believe what we are seeing here is NOT a hoax, but is in fact a *joke* - how amazing eh' ;)
Since this is in our Distributed Computing Arcana, I thought this would be fit well: Ars Technica Food Court
I didn't state they did, but what use is it to me if I can't watch it? They could make them available for $0.01 - it would be of no use to me no matter what.
Can I watch in on Mac? Linux? FreeBSD?
75 cents today...what will it be tomorrow?
Sure, but since Ogg Vorbis is at least as good as MP3, what is your point?
So, what you are saying is that current Danish government are Nazis or something close to that *and* that's what the whole world thinks?
I have one question for you: Are you on drugs?
Just wanted to say, me too - I respect you, Bruce Perens, a lot and would like to thank you for all you have done for the open source community!
I AM Danish ;)
You are primarily speaking about Dansk Folkeparti - that's not the same as the government. No, I don't like Pia Kjaersgaard - she is an incredible annoying person.
I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but mentioning the current Danish government and anything remotely related to Nazi in the same sentence makes you look really stupid.
Why should I?
Yes, Ogg is good for low bitrates, and it'd be great to see it adopted as a streaming format, but I don't think there's really a need to convert to Ogg yet.
I can give you at least one good reason: Ogg Vorbis is an open and patent free "standard". Ogg Vorbis also produces smaller files.
Unless you need MP3 because you have a hardware player that only support that, I see no reason to encode using anything but Ogg Vorbis. I'll not buy a player that doesn't support Ogg Vorbis and I've told the manufactures that.
Do you really believe the former government planned to continue to fund the windmill industry forever?! Cut the crap, will you? I'm not saying we should abandon producing windmills, but the industry has recieved a lot of funding in the last few years. An industry that's not able to survive without massive government funding, isn't a good thing IMHO.
Why do you talk about the Danish Center of Human Rights? That has absolutely nothing to do with this and only shows your obviously dislike the current government. It was a very controversial suggestion and it came from Dansk Folkeparti (I dislike Pia Kjaersgaard, just as much as you). Should we also talk a bit about all the stupid suggestions Enhedslisten have come up with?! If they were in control, cars would have been banned in Denmark (yes, that is a joke, but they do believe that public transport fits everyone - yearh right). They have absolutely no sence of how the real world works.
Why?
IIRC, it was the plan under the previous government too, that the funding for wind mills should be slowed down and eventually stopped. The goal was (again, IIRC) to reach 14% in wind power and we have reached that goal. It's not good to have an industry that can't live without government funding. Furtunately the wind mills are getting (a lot) bigger and better and should soon be able to compete in the energy marked.
Opinions, yes, but we are far from anything that looks like such a law in Denmark. A study about open source should be released sometime later this year here, it'll be interesting to see what that says...
You've got it all wrong. The primary issue is exactly that the government should use only open formats and standards. It's not enough that the tool they use is capable of using an open format - under Sincere Choice, the government should would never use .doc (unless MS made it completely open). The issues you talk about doesn't exist. The whole point is to let the users use whatever tool they think is the best tool for the job.
Do you really think that there would have been that much coordinated activity among so many people with differing goals and viewpoints, and in a Machevelian way? No, sorry. I actually could not get Red Hat to sign on to Sincere Choice, Tiemann had alread decided on his direction.
I understand why Tiemann didn't want to sign on to Sincere Choice, but it is still sad, because I donøt think they have a chance of getting anywhere with their proposal. Sincere Choice is much better and have a much better chance of becomming reality.
The people that knows about this stuff says: Don't do it! Converting from MP3 -> Ogg will give you bad sound!
Since they link to jabber.com in the story - will they be using their technology?
I'm on that impressed by the jabber.com clients though. JIM (their client) hasn't been updated for "ages" it seems and it's not because it's bug free...
They have a webclient too...which only works with IE5-IE6 and Netscape 4.x! I'm NOT impressed!
Can you say LSB?
Well, that is one of the problems - most people don't know this - you can't and don't complain about something you don't know.
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Or perhaps too much?
* Windows network protocols should be well documented in such a way that other companies can write software that interfaces with Windows clients (like SAMBA) and Windows servers (like Ximian Connector).
What of they do make those available, but under a license that restricts the use of the open source licenses like the GPL/LGPL and others?
I would not be the least surprised if they released it with a license like that. IIRC, they have already released some stuff under such a license.
We don't hear much brou-ha-ha with regards to the European patent system, so presumably you folks are doing something right.
Sadly, this is not true :( I'm no expert in these matters, I can tell you that we already have software patents in Europe and we have some bad ones too. Right now you have to apply for a patent in each country (AFAIK, but I'm not 100% sure about it), hat they are about to do right now is to change that so you only have to apply once for all of EU.
In regards to stupid patents - we have a patent that makes it impossible to use special Danish letters in domain names (this is actually a world wide patent). Online banking is patented too.