You can use the optical out of your player to get it on your PC if you have an appropriate sound card. Its the same as an analog transfer, just without two D->A A->D conversions to suck the quality out of the recording. I've had digital optical and coaxial in on my machine for the past four years or so, I think it cost about $30 for the addon card for my SB Live.
DAT DRM is a joke compared to the system we're talking about now. Consumers don't have DAT players because they're:
- linear. - mechanically complex - unbelievably expensive - There's no pre-recorded music available for them.
DAT isn't intended for consumers, its intended for making CD (or better) quality recordings. Who wants to carry around something with all the usability disadvantages of cassette tapes?
Also, the DRM used on these devices is simplistic. We're talking about 2 bits in the data stream. You can specify "make one digital copy" "make no digital copies" and "make unlimited digital copies". Beyond that, real high-end DAT recorder/players that use AES/BEU for their digital audio interconnect rarely even implement the copy protection, as they're intended for professional studios who don't want to deal with such crap. Compare this to digitally encrypted, signed music and licenses, and its a whole different ballgame. Hell, this stuff is less complex than macrovision, and thats essentially a joke.
Metal Cased MDs?! Give me a URL! I can't find anything on google.
I did buy some (expensive) Sony pro MDs that were all white once... They were supposed to have better lubricants on the magnetic side of the disk, and some other advantages... I can't remember actually using them for anything and noticing a difference.
For me, most of my music listening time is in the car. I tend not to listen to music as I walk around, as it bothers me to not be able to hear my sorroundings.
That being said, MD is great in the car. The disks are plenty tough, and its great to be able to just throw them on the ground or in the back seat or in the console and not have to worry about them getting scratched up. The only real problem is that there's a distinct lack of hardware that supports them (since no one really uses the format except... me. And the Japanese. Or something). I have a Blaupunkt head unit for MD, and a CD Changer in the console that mainly gets used on road trips and when other people bring music. My ideal solution would be two changers, one MD and one CD, or a CD head unit and an MD changer, but the only car audio manufacturer who has support for that kind of configuration is, you guessed it, sony.
Now, a CD changer that read ISO9660 discs with MP3s on them and provided a useful interface to them, that'd be a hell of a thing.
When I was originally looking at the NetMD tech, this wasn't the case. Perhaps its changed, but a while ago it was _easy_ to make more than three burns of some audio. You just needed o remove it from the DB of the application on the computer (easily done through the apps GUI) and re-import it from the source tracks (be they MP3, audio CD, whatever). NetMD is still pretty neat, in my book.
The MD-Data drives were rare then, and are scarce as hell now. They were a nice idea, but had some major drawbacks: - 120mb of storage - _slow_ seek times - Required special, expensive data disks - could not record audio.
Compared to a Zip drive of the same period, that was had the same capacity, a larger installed base, and was much less expensive overall very few people purchased the data drives.
The were / are some multi-track audio recorders that used the data disks to lay down 4 tracks at once, but they've pretty much dissapeared as well.
They discontinued the 85 a while ago, about a year after the 86 came out. The 82 and 85 were discontinued at the same time, having been replaced by the 83 and 86 respectively. The 86's OS is very similiar to the 85's, and it makes a suitable replacement.
You can trust me! I managed the archives at ticalc.org for two years or so:)
I think the most important security feature of US currency is the paper. According to some show on the history channel, most counterfeits are found because 'experience money handlers' i.e. bank tellers notice a difference in the feel of the paper.
And apparently most good counterfeits are made by bleaching the ink off of $1 bills and printing $20 bills on the paper.
Oh, agreed. I probably swear about not being able to run PTFree once a week or so, but I can't fault them from finding a really good way to give away a version of their software and get people to want to buy their software.:)
And Digi stuff is (really... slowly...) getting less expensive, as they introduce more low end products. You can get a 001 for $600 or so these days, and a MBox for under $500. Of course, these aren't toy DAWs, and I don't think they really compete with GarageBand.
I'm still really impressed with Digi's scheme to get us to buy their products.:).
PTFree is generally one generation behind ProTools, which means next major release of ProTools should push PTFree into the good operating system world.
Barq's uses caffeine to provide its "bite." And, as a dedicated root beer drinker, Barq's tastes a lot different (and a lot better!) than any of the other varieties, with the possible exception of high-dollar brands like IBC.
And yeah, I can generally tell the difference between IBC, Mug and Barq's by taste alone:)
Most modern truck air brakes are maxi-brakes, which means if they lose air pressure they slowly apply towards full force. The air actually keeps the brake off:). It would be trivial to install a high pressure solenoid actuated valve to bleed the air out of the brake system in this case. A bad idea, but trivial. Hydraulic car brakes would be much harder to do this with.
Some phones use a literal GPS receiver in them, and report position data over the network. Others use tower-based triangulation methods. The E911 bill has different accuracy requirements for handset based and tower based location services. I think handset based has to locate the user within 50 yards, and tower-based has to do it within 100 yards, but thats all off the top of my head.
ticalc.org survived/.'ings several times, before on a 486dx, and now on a dual PPro 200mhz machine. Its all about what you're serving - ticalc.org pregenerates just about every page served, and has a giant pipe./. hasn't killed us yet:)
I'm not in Canada, and those laws suck. I can't imagine anything as rediculous as taxing recordable media sales to support media companies. Its devoid of all logic.
But yeah, I realize buying discs at concerts is still feeding the evil empire, but I don't do it often and it is supposed to be better than buying in a store (see other posts in this thread).
Basing on Asimov certainly qualifies as "good" in my book as well.
Did you see The Bicentennial Man? It had a much better lead male (Robin Williams has done a lot more good, serious work than Will Smith), and was terrible, imho. The short story is one of Asimov's best, and yet the movie realization of it was tremendously awful. It wasn't even remotely true to the story.
Maybe 'few' wasn't a strong enough word in my original post. The only CD I've purchased in recent memory from anyone who wasn't a (clearly unsigned) collegiate acappella group (call it 18+ months) was for my girlfriend, at a Rider's in the Sky concert.
Why is it not okay to buy CDs, but fine to buy music piecemeal via the internet? I don't want to give the RIAA my money, and distribution via the net doesn't change that at all. I buy the few CDs I want at concerts, in the hope that I'll still get legitimate music and the RIAA will get less money.
Slashdot Mirror
You can use the optical out of your player to get it on your PC if you have an appropriate sound card. Its the same as an analog transfer, just without two D->A A->D conversions to suck the quality out of the recording. I've had digital optical and coaxial in on my machine for the past four years or so, I think it cost about $30 for the addon card for my SB Live.
--
lds
DAT DRM is a joke compared to the system we're talking about now. Consumers don't have DAT players because they're:
- linear.
- mechanically complex
- unbelievably expensive
- There's no pre-recorded music available for them.
DAT isn't intended for consumers, its intended for making CD (or better) quality recordings. Who wants to carry around something with all the usability disadvantages of cassette tapes?
Also, the DRM used on these devices is simplistic. We're talking about 2 bits in the data stream. You can specify "make one digital copy" "make no digital copies" and "make unlimited digital copies". Beyond that, real high-end DAT recorder/players that use AES/BEU for their digital audio interconnect rarely even implement the copy protection, as they're intended for professional studios who don't want to deal with such crap. Compare this to digitally encrypted, signed music and licenses, and its a whole different ballgame. Hell, this stuff is less complex than macrovision, and thats essentially a joke.
--
lds
Metal Cased MDs?! Give me a URL! I can't find anything on google.
I did buy some (expensive) Sony pro MDs that were all white once... They were supposed to have better lubricants on the magnetic side of the disk, and some other advantages... I can't remember actually using them for anything and noticing a difference.
But a metal case! That would be awesome.
--
lds
I'm a huge fan of MD.
For me, most of my music listening time is in the car. I tend not to listen to music as I walk around, as it bothers me to not be able to hear my sorroundings.
That being said, MD is great in the car. The disks are plenty tough, and its great to be able to just throw them on the ground or in the back seat or in the console and not have to worry about them getting scratched up. The only real problem is that there's a distinct lack of hardware that supports them (since no one really uses the format except... me. And the Japanese. Or something). I have a Blaupunkt head unit for MD, and a CD Changer in the console that mainly gets used on road trips and when other people bring music. My ideal solution would be two changers, one MD and one CD, or a CD head unit and an MD changer, but the only car audio manufacturer who has support for that kind of configuration is, you guessed it, sony.
Now, a CD changer that read ISO9660 discs with MP3s on them and provided a useful interface to them, that'd be a hell of a thing.
--
phil
When I was originally looking at the NetMD tech, this wasn't the case. Perhaps its changed, but a while ago it was _easy_ to make more than three burns of some audio. You just needed o remove it from the DB of the application on the computer (easily done through the apps GUI) and re-import it from the source tracks (be they MP3, audio CD, whatever). NetMD is still pretty neat, in my book.
--
lds
The MD-Data drives were rare then, and are scarce as hell now. They were a nice idea, but had some major drawbacks:
- 120mb of storage
- _slow_ seek times
- Required special, expensive data disks
- could not record audio.
Compared to a Zip drive of the same period, that was had the same capacity, a larger installed base, and was much less expensive overall very few people purchased the data drives.
The were / are some multi-track audio recorders that used the data disks to lay down 4 tracks at once, but they've pretty much dissapeared as well.
--
lds
They discontinued the 85 a while ago, about a year after the 86 came out. The 82 and 85 were discontinued at the same time, having been replaced by the 83 and 86 respectively. The 86's OS is very similiar to the 85's, and it makes a suitable replacement.
:)
You can trust me! I managed the archives at ticalc.org for two years or so
--
lds
I think the most important security feature of US currency is the paper. According to some show on the history channel, most counterfeits are found because 'experience money handlers' i.e. bank tellers notice a difference in the feel of the paper.
And apparently most good counterfeits are made by bleaching the ink off of $1 bills and printing $20 bills on the paper.
--
lds
roadrunner roadrunner roadrunner.
Now you know.
Yeah! Like... WinAmp! AOL really ruined that!
Oh, wait, no, thats wrong... Winamp 3 may have been stupid, but that wasn't AOL's fault.
Anyway, thats the only counterexample I could come up with, so take that as you will.
--
lds
Oh, agreed. I probably swear about not being able to run PTFree once a week or so, but I can't fault them from finding a really good way to give away a version of their software and get people to want to buy their software. :)
:).
And Digi stuff is (really... slowly...) getting less expensive, as they introduce more low end products. You can get a 001 for $600 or so these days, and a MBox for under $500. Of course, these aren't toy DAWs, and I don't think they really compete with GarageBand.
I'm still really impressed with Digi's scheme to get us to buy their products.
--
lds
PTFree is generally one generation behind ProTools, which means next major release of ProTools should push PTFree into the good operating system world.
Its free, for chrissakes. What do you want?
--
lds
AAA == Anti-Aircraft Artillery.
Whether space craft count as aircraft is another argument entirely.
--
lds
Barq's uses caffeine to provide its "bite." And, as a dedicated root beer drinker, Barq's tastes a lot different (and a lot better!) than any of the other varieties, with the possible exception of high-dollar brands like IBC.
:)
And yeah, I can generally tell the difference between IBC, Mug and Barq's by taste alone
--
lds
Don't forget vibration! Computers hate it when everything socketed just falls out.
--
lds
"Radar Love" by Golden Earring. Totally impossible to drive slowly to.
--
lds
Most modern truck air brakes are maxi-brakes, which means if they lose air pressure they slowly apply towards full force. The air actually keeps the brake off :). It would be trivial to install a high pressure solenoid actuated valve to bleed the air out of the brake system in this case. A bad idea, but trivial. Hydraulic car brakes would be much harder to do this with.
--
lds
Some phones use a literal GPS receiver in them, and report position data over the network. Others use tower-based triangulation methods. The E911 bill has different accuracy requirements for handset based and tower based location services. I think handset based has to locate the user within 50 yards, and tower-based has to do it within 100 yards, but thats all off the top of my head.
--
lds
Believe it or not, you can draw attention to something by mentioning it first _or_ last. Language can be subtle that way.
Yes yes yes, yes yes.
:)
I've had a multitude of video capture boards and dongles, and ivtv based stuff is by far the best. (An AverMedia M179 in my case).
And mythtv is awesome
--
lds
ticalc.org survived /.'ings several times, before on a 486dx, and now on a dual PPro 200mhz machine. Its all about what you're serving - ticalc.org pregenerates just about every page served, and has a giant pipe. /. hasn't killed us yet :)
--
lds
I'm not in Canada, and those laws suck. I can't imagine anything as rediculous as taxing recordable media sales to support media companies. Its devoid of all logic.
But yeah, I realize buying discs at concerts is still feeding the evil empire, but I don't do it often and it is supposed to be better than buying in a store (see other posts in this thread).
--
lds
Did you see The Bicentennial Man? It had a much better lead male (Robin Williams has done a lot more good, serious work than Will Smith), and was terrible, imho. The short story is one of Asimov's best, and yet the movie realization of it was tremendously awful. It wasn't even remotely true to the story.
--
lds
Maybe 'few' wasn't a strong enough word in my original post. The only CD I've purchased in recent memory from anyone who wasn't a (clearly unsigned) collegiate acappella group (call it 18+ months) was for my girlfriend, at a Rider's in the Sky concert.
I think I'm doing my part.
--
lds
Why is it not okay to buy CDs, but fine to buy music piecemeal via the internet? I don't want to give the RIAA my money, and distribution via the net doesn't change that at all. I buy the few CDs I want at concerts, in the hope that I'll still get legitimate music and the RIAA will get less money.
Hypocrisy sucks, pick a stance and stick with it.
--
lds