Courts still accept polygraphs under strict rules. If you have information to the contrary, I'd like to see it; I would love to be wrong in this instance.
I'm warning you so you don't get your stupid ass arrested. You have sit on a sensitive pad. You so much as fart and it goes off. If you don't believe me, go get a real poly a find out for yourself. But ask yourself, if this trick is so foolproof, why wouldn't they implement such a simple counter measure?
How many polygraphs have you taken? I've taken one in my life, personally. This was for King County police (in Washington state) and even being fully truthful, they claimed I failed the test. Since I knew I told the truth, this experience prompted me to study up on polygraphy and to discover to my surprise that it was nonsense.
Oh, and I never sat on anything other than a hard wooden chair. I had the finger thingies put on, the chest band and a blood pressure cuff, sat sideways to the polygrapher and did as I was told.
That isn't an accurate assessment. Lying does often elicit a physiological reaction, which is what the polygraph is designed to detect. However, anxiety about the question also causes a physiological reaction, and differentiating between someone who's nervous because they're lying, and someone who's nervous for some other reason, is a non-trivial matter.
It's like saying the low oil light on your car is "absolutely not an oil detector". Technically, you're right; It's a pressure sensor. But it's measuring pressure in a system that ordinarily should contain only oil, and if the pressure drops that's usually an indicator that there's not enough oil in the system, thus calling it a "low oil" light is accurate because that's what it is most often detecting.
The reason a human being may show higher galvanic skin sensitivity or increased breathing rates do not map reliably to deception. It's pseudo-science, pure and simple, and is not reliable for what it's supposedly for. The problem with your analogy is that there are only a handful of issues that could cause the idiot light to glow and narrowing down the reason the "low oil" light is lit is straightforward.
The polygraph is a lie; social engineering before the term caught on, really.
And let's say that the odds of them catching you in round 1 are 65%, then 84%, then 70%. Is the cumulative effect of this higher than 84%? Yes. Each layer adds a little bit, but each layer also has diminishing returns. This is how government looks at security with regards to, say airport scanners, or terrorist watch lists, or polygraph testing. They know that the individual methods by themselves are shit. They're just hoping that with enough layers, enough randomized checks, and everything else, that the final result will be a high detection rate.
Wanna walk me through the math please? I don't think that your statement regarding the probabilities is accurate.
Not to forget, lie detector test have zero impact on psychopaths, so basically the worst of the worst will pass, kind of making the lie detector scam pointless, or more accurately the question reaction flim flam show pointless. This being the reason they are banned in most countries. This really stinks of the FBI intending to use fake like detector tests to incriminate any one they want too and these plans are threatened by the exposure.
And also remember that the most infamous and successful spies in the United States passed their polygraphs handily. Polygraphs are a dangerous distraction when relied upon as they have been in the past and apparently continuing into the future.
Actually, Yahoo might be breaking the law by hosting the site. Free speech law goes pretty far in the US, but encouraging suicide, or any other major illegal activity could get them in trouble.
He specifically linked to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention website for those whom it may help. That to me is evidence that he was not advocating suicide nor encouraging anyone to do so.
A fair amount of stuff, unfortunately. I've had to work pretty hard to overcome much of the societal programming and public inundation of FEAR FEAR FEAR.
Rationality has helped a tremendous amount though thankfully.
We could do with doctors having some end of live training. I have watched too many elderly relatives treated with expensive and painful procedures that only managed to lengthen their suffering a very short amount of time. Often increasing their suffering for that time. Yeah, lets try chemo on an 85 year old who is more cancer than man! What the hell is wrong with these doctors?
Doctors!? What about 85 Year Old Cancer Man's fearful obsession with trying to eke out even a possible tiny few months more of life? What about 85 Year Old Cancer Man's family who sues the doctor years after Cancer Man dies because the doc "didn't do all he could and spend tens of thousands of dollars to eke out another few months of pitiful life for our father/son/husband!!!!11lleleventy"
Talking directly to Cancer Man I say this: dignity, motherfucker, do you speak it? Try dying with it then you selfish asshole. The ultimate issue is that in the US, there is no dialog on death and dying, there's only more fear. We don't talk about dying, we don't want to deal with dying, we don't want to see people dying, we don't want to deal with what we sometimes must do after death (like plan funerals, etc.) Death and dying as a natural part of living are treated as almost a kind of taboo subject and rarely intrudes into public consciousness except for when complete fucking morons spout off about "death panels" and pile on more and more fear.
As a people, Americans are now defined by and controlled by every kind of fear imaginable and more the kind of fear that is only imagined.
So tell Cancer Man and his family to sit down, have a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up and figure out how to make his dying as best as circumstances allow instead of driving up everyone else's medical costs, suing good doctors into oblivion and/or driving good people out of medical practice in the first place due to these hysterical lawsuit-happy SELFISH ignorant fools.
It's fine with me because all those smug assholes who were too shortsighted to see this coming from twenty years ago should suffer for their stupidity. And in this day and age, whoever is stupid enough not to be moving forward with a Microsoft exit strategy deserves what is coming to them.
Funny, I've never had the understanding that kickstarter is mainly for established artists. I'll concede the point, however, because arguing over kickstarter would be missing the main thrust of what I was talking about and why I mentioned it in the first place; namely, there are other sources of revenue that can help encourage people sharing their art to the general community while still honoring their sense of artistry.
Okay, that's cool too. What I briefly outlined are just some more options that people have successfully made money using. Personally, I think it's enough to support a vibrant atmosphere of creativity.
Besides, just by using Kickstarter, doesn't mean the other models cannot also be used -- huge money in Hollywood making $100 million movies or the RIAA model of distribution/middle-manning it can still be used and art created with those distribution channels can still be purchased and enjoyed.
As I mentioned upthread, we can use services like Kickstarter, Ransom or dutch auctions, for example.
People are continuing to leverage technology and ingenuity in getting art out to the general public for consumption; I don't think it's as big a problem as it first appears.
Ahem. Sorry, all this talk about DNA and genome sequencing and stuff all got me thinking of Blade Runner again.
Truth be told, I've been practicing this line quite a lot since I read this article. Earlier, I even had a watermelon that I carved little holes into it for eye sockets and grapes for eyes for practicing the finishing move head-squish-eye-gouge technique, but I hate to admit that I got a little hungry waiting and ate my Eldon Tyrell practice dummy.
So now what I really should be saying is, I WANT MORE WATERMELON, FUCKER.
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Courts still accept polygraphs under strict rules. If you have information to the contrary, I'd like to see it; I would love to be wrong in this instance.
You do realize that no court of law considers a polygraph admissible ... right?
If the government doesn't want to hire you, they don't need to frame you on a polygraph.
You need to stop watching so much Law and Order or whatever silly show you got the idea from.
Unfortunately, you are still quite wrong. The United States has courts that accept polygraph tests under strict rules. Dunno why, but it's still true.
I'm warning you so you don't get your stupid ass arrested. You have sit on a sensitive pad. You so much as fart and it goes off. If you don't believe me, go get a real poly a find out for yourself. But ask yourself, if this trick is so foolproof, why wouldn't they implement such a simple counter measure?
How many polygraphs have you taken? I've taken one in my life, personally. This was for King County police (in Washington state) and even being fully truthful, they claimed I failed the test. Since I knew I told the truth, this experience prompted me to study up on polygraphy and to discover to my surprise that it was nonsense.
Oh, and I never sat on anything other than a hard wooden chair. I had the finger thingies put on, the chest band and a blood pressure cuff, sat sideways to the polygrapher and did as I was told.
That isn't an accurate assessment. Lying does often elicit a physiological reaction, which is what the polygraph is designed to detect. However, anxiety about the question also causes a physiological reaction, and differentiating between someone who's nervous because they're lying, and someone who's nervous for some other reason, is a non-trivial matter.
It's like saying the low oil light on your car is "absolutely not an oil detector". Technically, you're right; It's a pressure sensor. But it's measuring pressure in a system that ordinarily should contain only oil, and if the pressure drops that's usually an indicator that there's not enough oil in the system, thus calling it a "low oil" light is accurate because that's what it is most often detecting.
The reason a human being may show higher galvanic skin sensitivity or increased breathing rates do not map reliably to deception. It's pseudo-science, pure and simple, and is not reliable for what it's supposedly for. The problem with your analogy is that there are only a handful of issues that could cause the idiot light to glow and narrowing down the reason the "low oil" light is lit is straightforward.
The polygraph is a lie; social engineering before the term caught on, really.
And let's say that the odds of them catching you in round 1 are 65%, then 84%, then 70%. Is the cumulative effect of this higher than 84%? Yes. Each layer adds a little bit, but each layer also has diminishing returns. This is how government looks at security with regards to, say airport scanners, or terrorist watch lists, or polygraph testing. They know that the individual methods by themselves are shit. They're just hoping that with enough layers, enough randomized checks, and everything else, that the final result will be a high detection rate.
Wanna walk me through the math please? I don't think that your statement regarding the probabilities is accurate.
Not to forget, lie detector test have zero impact on psychopaths, so basically the worst of the worst will pass, kind of making the lie detector scam pointless, or more accurately the question reaction flim flam show pointless. This being the reason they are banned in most countries. This really stinks of the FBI intending to use fake like detector tests to incriminate any one they want too and these plans are threatened by the exposure.
And also remember that the most infamous and successful spies in the United States passed their polygraphs handily. Polygraphs are a dangerous distraction when relied upon as they have been in the past and apparently continuing into the future.
Actually, Yahoo might be breaking the law by hosting the site. Free speech law goes pretty far in the US, but encouraging suicide, or any other major illegal activity could get them in trouble.
He specifically linked to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention website for those whom it may help. That to me is evidence that he was not advocating suicide nor encouraging anyone to do so.
Freedom of speech does not obligate a private party to be your voice platform.
Perhaps not, but a five year pre-paid contract does.
Example, see the judge who prevented parents from naming their child 'Messiah' because "There is only one true Messiah".
Or Jesus.
Not in Mexico.
A fair amount of stuff, unfortunately. I've had to work pretty hard to overcome much of the societal programming and public inundation of FEAR FEAR FEAR.
Rationality has helped a tremendous amount though thankfully.
We could do with doctors having some end of live training. I have watched too many elderly relatives treated with expensive and painful procedures that only managed to lengthen their suffering a very short amount of time. Often increasing their suffering for that time. Yeah, lets try chemo on an 85 year old who is more cancer than man! What the hell is wrong with these doctors?
Doctors!? What about 85 Year Old Cancer Man's fearful obsession with trying to eke out even a possible tiny few months more of life? What about 85 Year Old Cancer Man's family who sues the doctor years after Cancer Man dies because the doc "didn't do all he could and spend tens of thousands of dollars to eke out another few months of pitiful life for our father/son/husband!!!!11lleleventy"
Talking directly to Cancer Man I say this: dignity, motherfucker, do you speak it? Try dying with it then you selfish asshole. The ultimate issue is that in the US, there is no dialog on death and dying, there's only more fear. We don't talk about dying, we don't want to deal with dying, we don't want to see people dying, we don't want to deal with what we sometimes must do after death (like plan funerals, etc.) Death and dying as a natural part of living are treated as almost a kind of taboo subject and rarely intrudes into public consciousness except for when complete fucking morons spout off about "death panels" and pile on more and more fear.
As a people, Americans are now defined by and controlled by every kind of fear imaginable and more the kind of fear that is only imagined.
So tell Cancer Man and his family to sit down, have a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up and figure out how to make his dying as best as circumstances allow instead of driving up everyone else's medical costs, suing good doctors into oblivion and/or driving good people out of medical practice in the first place due to these hysterical lawsuit-happy SELFISH ignorant fools.
Yes, I agree also with what you're saying.
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It's fine with me because all those smug assholes who were too shortsighted to see this coming from twenty years ago should suffer for their stupidity. And in this day and age, whoever is stupid enough not to be moving forward with a Microsoft exit strategy deserves what is coming to them.
Apropos 'nym is apropos.
Funny, I've never had the understanding that kickstarter is mainly for established artists. I'll concede the point, however, because arguing over kickstarter would be missing the main thrust of what I was talking about and why I mentioned it in the first place; namely, there are other sources of revenue that can help encourage people sharing their art to the general community while still honoring their sense of artistry.
Okay, that's cool too. What I briefly outlined are just some more options that people have successfully made money using. Personally, I think it's enough to support a vibrant atmosphere of creativity.
Besides, just by using Kickstarter, doesn't mean the other models cannot also be used -- huge money in Hollywood making $100 million movies or the RIAA model of distribution/middle-manning it can still be used and art created with those distribution channels can still be purchased and enjoyed.
As I mentioned upthread, we can use services like Kickstarter, Ransom or dutch auctions, for example.
People are continuing to leverage technology and ingenuity in getting art out to the general public for consumption; I don't think it's as big a problem as it first appears.
Holy fuck steaks
I'm just posting because I am so going to use this sometime during my next IRL conversation.
If you can show me a working system that encourages people to synthesize information and share it with the population, I'll sign right up
How about Kickstarter? Dutch auctions? Ransom? Commission?
Nevermind. RTFA for explanation.
See? Text compression in action!
Yeah, I probably should have used 'nym as in pseudonym.
Awesomely funny pic, though!
It'd be doubly ironic if the hacker's nym is IP Freely.
basically stonewalling to get Obama to unilaterally cut nukes
Obama cut nukes? Are you daft? Why would a man bestowed with a Nobel Peace Prize wish to do something as silly as reducing a huge stockpile of WMDs?
Both excellent ideas! :D
I WANT MORE LIFE, FUCKER.
Ahem. Sorry, all this talk about DNA and genome sequencing and stuff all got me thinking of Blade Runner again.
Truth be told, I've been practicing this line quite a lot since I read this article. Earlier, I even had a watermelon that I carved little holes into it for eye sockets and grapes for eyes for practicing the finishing move head-squish-eye-gouge technique, but I hate to admit that I got a little hungry waiting and ate my Eldon Tyrell practice dummy.
So now what I really should be saying is, I WANT MORE WATERMELON, FUCKER.
Bull-fucking-shit.