Do you honestly believe they honored HIPPA? I'd bet you every person who signs up is automatically included in the Democratic Party and OFA's massive database of vote prospects, and that is the only part that actually works. Maxine Waters already spilled the beans on this, several weeks ago when she bragged that the Obama Administration is creating the most massive list of potential Democratic voters EVER, and that when he leaves office it will be "a gift" to all Democrats, forever and ever. You can't make this stuff up.
Some administrations (Nixon, Obama) believe the government is above the laws they create...
Are you kidding me? My company could have built this thing for 1/100th of what the Government paid and still make a huge profit.
The problem isn't "the private sector" it is how government procurement works in ever more corrupt administrations. It's called a bribe in every other country in the world. For the last five years, the Democrats have shown themselves to be the most greedy, most corrupt, most thug-like politicians we have ever seen, ever. For them, government procurement is a bribe to get money back into the party. They make so called evil corporations look like saints.
You really want to see where this leads, spend some serious time studying the City of Detroit, or Chicago, where the Democratic Party Political Machine has more in common with the mafia than any political party. Seriously. In Detroit, after 40 years of one party rule, the difference between the mafia and the Democratic party is impossible to tell. That's why many find Democratic members of the last administration are serving time.
This whole sordid affair was sold on the premise that costs would go down. And millions of foolish people believed it. And it will never, ever be turned off. It will suck resources at a fantastic rate.
Two and a half months - working side by side with people - in three countries.
There are advantages, sure. There are things the Europeans do better than Americans, sure. But overall I believe the quality of life is better here, based on the things I like to do, and the way I want to live. The lifestyle I have here would require double or even triple the income in Europe. The same can be said for San Francisco;-)
In my humble opinion the value proposition for the services rendered.vs. the taxes paid just isn't there. In the long run I don't think the average American, no matter what the young passionate "progressives" think, will pay the European level of taxation. We're seeing this already, with people finding out just how much "free" health insurance really costs.
Problem is that we have lost the war on poverty. We've spent TRILLIONS of dollars and the poverty rate has not changed at all. Lately we've made it really easy to get welfare, workers comp, etc. and big surprise the poverty rate has gone UP.
We've lost the war on drugs, too. Spent TRILLIONS of dollars and the rate of drug use is essentially the same.
We spent $100 on program X last year - that we borrowed some amount to support. We have a budgeted increase of 10% for next year - that required borrowing. In that next year, we only spent $105. Therefore, we have a surplus of $5.
No, we don't. We still spent money we didn't have, all we did was not spend money we never had in the first place.
The surplus only existed on paper. We were still running the country at a deficit.
Obama continues this bold faced lie. When he doesn't spend 100 million on something, he declares we saved 100 million.
If you don't understand government accounting "encumbrance accounting" then please don't display your lack of knowledge by making such absurd claims. What you're saying is that today, you didn't borrow $50,000 to buy a new car you couldn't afford, so you saved $50,000. No, you did not.
"So now they're demanding we bring back pre-existing conditions, re-enstate lifetime insurance caps, make it harder for low-income and working class women to control their fertility, make us pay for some uninsured YOLO's emergency room visit, keep graduate students or people starting their career from staying on previous insurance while they're getting on their feet, eliminate preventive care for diabetics and other high-risk individuals forcing them to go to the emergency room when things get bad, eliminate vaccination programs, allow insurers to raise rates to increase their profits arbitrarily, prevent individuals starting businesses to self-insure in an open competitive marketplaces or else they'll shut down the Government, refuse to negotiate a budget, and default on the debt. Yeah. That makes sense."
None of this is in the current proposal from the House, not a single piece of it. It is a lie of astounding proportions to declare that not raising the debt limit equals a default on the debt. Not raising the debt limit means one thing, and one thing only: The Federal Government can only spend what it takes in. Period.
Corporate welfare like Solyndra? General Electric? etc.? To pretend that corporate welfare is the exclusive property of right is so astoundingly wrong one wonders where these people got their world view.
Give individuals the same break that Obama gave to corporations.
Force Congress to use the same healthcare the rest of us use.
Yes, they opened with defund Obamacare. This is how you negotiate... When this was rejected they came back with different offers.
So liberals are fighting to the death for evil corporations, and the rights of the elite leadership over the individual. How completely bat shit crazy is this? I thought liberals favored individuals over evil corporations, and that everyone should be treated equally.... And in usual fashion 90% of the population believes the offer is to stop Obamacare and nothing else will do, because the liberal propoganda says exactly that. It's a lie. The last offer, that was rejected, is very simple.
I get it. Obama delaying the employer mandate for a year is leadership, but Republicans requesting the same be done to the individual mandate is kicking his grandest achievement to the curb. Makes perfect sense to me!
You don't get it. When the President passes am imperial decree delaying the Employer Mandate for a year, which is completely illegal, that's leadership.
When the Republicans counter with delaying the individual mandate for a year, that's terrorism, anarchy, and extremist behavior that threatens our existence. It is clearly un-American behavior by ignorant hayseeds clinging to religion and armed to the teeth.
The elitist rulers get a better package than everybody else, because all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.
And insisting that all pigs are equal, that's holding the country hostage, wanting grandma to die, hating children, and fomenting a war on women.
It's the same on both sides. The Clintonistas adopted the far left wing of the Democratic party, and let the 1/4 Marxist fanatics hold them hostage. So the Democratic party of old, became something entirely different. Now the same thing is happening to the Republican Party. This is actually a good thing.
On the whole, 60% of the country identifies itself as "Conservative" - not a member of one party or another. 20% are libertarian types, 20% are Marxists (although they keep insisting we call them something else). This hasn't changed in 40 years.
What has changed is the level of civility. Here, I place the blame squarely on the Democratic Party, who adopted Alinksy tactics. Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis on Alinsky (tried to hide it for 20 years), the Clintonistas pushed the Democratic party into this, they used them very effectively against Bush.
This is a nice statement without any actual reference.
There's been poll after poll after poll and the one thing everybody agrees on is that the three biggest promises made by Obama regarding the ACA were bold faced lies.
That's the biggest issue IMHO. Had the bill not been crafted in secret, and passed using procedural trickery... Never before in the history of the U.S. has such a large piece of social engineering been created without bipartisan involvement. That's why not one single Republican voted for it - they were shut out of it.
In essence, the Democrats completely blew HOW this was done, then told innumerable lies about it, and now they are getting exactly what they deserve. And then they let an imperial decree be passed so that it's being enforced selectively. Really bad idea.
So you agree with my other points, great, thank you. My statements about the "surplus" lie are correct.
You insinuated that the entire 3 billion was on a no bid contract. There were some no bid contracts at the very beginning of the war, to Haliburton, who was the vendor already providing such services, that only lasted until the proper procurement processes could be followed. Had this not been done, soldiers would have not received food...
Do you want me to talk about no bid green energy projects? Or the favors handed to Jeffery Immelt, which make the contracts handed to Haliburton pale in comparison? How about rewarding Wall Street Bankers with a sweetheart deal that allowed them to suck up the regional banks, making it harder for ordinary Americans to get loans? How about a major piece of social legislation that was passed without bipartisan consensus, the first time in our history something so large has been done this way, and then voted into law using a procedural trick of attaching it to a budget bill, something else that has never been done? How about robbing the tarp fund to reward the UAW for campaign support, and handing them 55% of stock instead of giving it to the creditors - as has been done in every single bankruptcy case in history? Or are these all non starters because the evil Rethignicans didn't do them?
For the record I am neither a rabid conservative or a tea party guy, just an American Citizen who is tired of propaganda from both sides and interested in the facts. Which, if you stay away from the ideological sites, are not that hard to find. I am fed up with "THE NARRATIVE", the sacred tome of talking points that are repeated over and over and over without the slightest bit of rational thought or common sense.
So not submitting a budget AT ALL for two years... and then submitting a budget with an absolutely bat shit crazy deficit - that was defeated 96 to ZERO in the Senate - that's trying to pass a real budget? That they couldn't sell to their own party?
Sorry, but kool aid is kool aid and you're spouting fabricated nonsense.
Last year we spent $10 we did not have. Next year we have a mandatory increase of $2, so we plan to spend $12 we do not have. And then, in the next year, they spend $11 they do not have and declare they have a $1 surplus.
What's incredible is that they actually believe this nonsense and repeat it as truth. Same as the 3 trillion dollar no bid contract lie.
You can't SPEND money you didn't have in the first place that you chose not to spend. It does not exist.
Obama actually declared at one point that he saved the taxpayers 100 million dollars because he didn't spend it. By this logic, if I don't buy a new car today, that I can't afford, I have "saved" the price of the car.
And yet, it is clear the poster believes everything he is writing. The quality of the brainwashing is astounding, folks. Let's have him explain the difference between encumbrance, cash basis, and accrual basis accounting and which one government's use - and why.
The Bush administration went to Congress many times and made urgent pleas for them to stop the practice of forcing banks to make loans to people who couldn't possibly pay the loans back. No surprise, they were called racists.
And then when those loans didn't get paid back, they were blamed for it.
800,000 workers on a free vacation with everyone else working means less than 20% of the workforce is not working.
What is happening here is that in order to increase the DRAMA, and get the press to report on those horrible, evil Rethugnicans who just won't come the the table and talk... is that they are selectively closing things they are sure the press will report on.
None of this would be happening if the Democrats would have performed their constitutional duties and passed a budget, but you'll be hard pressed to find any Democrats admitting to the truth, they prefer righteous indignation, and a defined group of people to direct all their hate at.
WOW, you assume I am rich American Tourist. Sorry, I traveled to many countries on business with someone else picking up the cost, and worked while I was there.
There's nothing WRONG with how things are done in Western Europe. Did I say that? Nope. However claiming that "Quality of Life is better" is arrogant, elitist, snobbish, you pick the adjective. In my opinion quality of life is better here, for a number of reasons that I am sure would be a complete waste of time to argue about.
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An amazing story considering not one single person outside of the OFA has said Obamacare is cheaper than traditional insurance.
Name anything the government actually manages WELL... There is zero incentive to manage well, zero.
Do you honestly believe they honored HIPPA? I'd bet you every person who signs up is automatically included in the Democratic Party and OFA's massive database of vote prospects, and that is the only part that actually works. Maxine Waters already spilled the beans on this, several weeks ago when she bragged that the Obama Administration is creating the most massive list of potential Democratic voters EVER, and that when he leaves office it will be "a gift" to all Democrats, forever and ever. You can't make this stuff up.
Some administrations (Nixon, Obama) believe the government is above the laws they create...
What's ridiculous is inventing success stories using OFA plants to cover up the malfeasance.
Are you kidding me? My company could have built this thing for 1/100th of what the Government paid and still make a huge profit.
The problem isn't "the private sector" it is how government procurement works in ever more corrupt administrations. It's called a bribe in every other country in the world. For the last five years, the Democrats have shown themselves to be the most greedy, most corrupt, most thug-like politicians we have ever seen, ever. For them, government procurement is a bribe to get money back into the party. They make so called evil corporations look like saints.
You really want to see where this leads, spend some serious time studying the City of Detroit, or Chicago, where the Democratic Party Political Machine has more in common with the mafia than any political party. Seriously. In Detroit, after 40 years of one party rule, the difference between the mafia and the Democratic party is impossible to tell. That's why many find Democratic members of the last administration are serving time.
This whole sordid affair was sold on the premise that costs would go down. And millions of foolish people believed it. And it will never, ever be turned off. It will suck resources at a fantastic rate.
Two and a half months - working side by side with people - in three countries.
;-)
.vs. the taxes paid just isn't there. In the long run I don't think the average American, no matter what the young passionate "progressives" think, will pay the European level of taxation. We're seeing this already, with people finding out just how much "free" health insurance really costs.
There are advantages, sure. There are things the Europeans do better than Americans, sure. But overall I believe the quality of life is better here, based on the things I like to do, and the way I want to live. The lifestyle I have here would require double or even triple the income in Europe. The same can be said for San Francisco
In my humble opinion the value proposition for the services rendered
Problem is that we have lost the war on poverty. We've spent TRILLIONS of dollars and the poverty rate has not changed at all. Lately we've made it really easy to get welfare, workers comp, etc. and big surprise the poverty rate has gone UP.
We've lost the war on drugs, too. Spent TRILLIONS of dollars and the rate of drug use is essentially the same.
Fact:
The SURPLUS was this:
We spent $100 on program X last year - that we borrowed some amount to support. We have a budgeted increase of 10% for next year - that required borrowing. In that next year, we only spent $105. Therefore, we have a surplus of $5.
No, we don't. We still spent money we didn't have, all we did was not spend money we never had in the first place.
The surplus only existed on paper. We were still running the country at a deficit.
Obama continues this bold faced lie. When he doesn't spend 100 million on something, he declares we saved 100 million.
If you don't understand government accounting "encumbrance accounting" then please don't display your lack of knowledge by making such absurd claims. What you're saying is that today, you didn't borrow $50,000 to buy a new car you couldn't afford, so you saved $50,000. No, you did not.
"So now they're demanding we bring back pre-existing conditions, re-enstate lifetime insurance caps, make it harder for low-income and working class women to control their fertility, make us pay for some uninsured YOLO's emergency room visit, keep graduate students or people starting their career from staying on previous insurance while they're getting on their feet, eliminate preventive care for diabetics and other high-risk individuals forcing them to go to the emergency room when things get bad, eliminate vaccination programs, allow insurers to raise rates to increase their profits arbitrarily, prevent individuals starting businesses to self-insure in an open competitive marketplaces or else they'll shut down the Government, refuse to negotiate a budget, and default on the debt. Yeah. That makes sense."
None of this is in the current proposal from the House, not a single piece of it. It is a lie of astounding proportions to declare that not raising the debt limit equals a default on the debt. Not raising the debt limit means one thing, and one thing only: The Federal Government can only spend what it takes in. Period.
Corporate welfare like Solyndra? General Electric? etc.? To pretend that corporate welfare is the exclusive property of right is so astoundingly wrong one wonders where these people got their world view.
The last offer from the House was this:
Give individuals the same break that Obama gave to corporations.
Force Congress to use the same healthcare the rest of us use.
Yes, they opened with defund Obamacare. This is how you negotiate... When this was rejected they came back with different offers.
So liberals are fighting to the death for evil corporations, and the rights of the elite leadership over the individual. How completely bat shit crazy is this? I thought liberals favored individuals over evil corporations, and that everyone should be treated equally.... And in usual fashion 90% of the population believes the offer is to stop Obamacare and nothing else will do, because the liberal propoganda says exactly that. It's a lie. The last offer, that was rejected, is very simple.
They aren't validating ANYBODY. Imagine a real insurance company doing that.
I get it. Obama delaying the employer mandate for a year is leadership, but Republicans requesting the same be done to the individual mandate is kicking his grandest achievement to the curb. Makes perfect sense to me!
They can't tell us how many people signed up. So they can't do SELECT COUNT(*) on a table in the database.
They are giving is GA page view metrics "Unique Visitors" and telling the idiot press this means log ins.
Any questions about their ability to create a simple registration site? It's worse than you can imagine. Can't say more as I am bound by NDA.
You don't get it. When the President passes am imperial decree delaying the Employer Mandate for a year, which is completely illegal, that's leadership.
When the Republicans counter with delaying the individual mandate for a year, that's terrorism, anarchy, and extremist behavior that threatens our existence. It is clearly un-American behavior by ignorant hayseeds clinging to religion and armed to the teeth.
The elitist rulers get a better package than everybody else, because all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.
And insisting that all pigs are equal, that's holding the country hostage, wanting grandma to die, hating children, and fomenting a war on women.
Any questions?
It's the same on both sides. The Clintonistas adopted the far left wing of the Democratic party, and let the 1/4 Marxist fanatics hold them hostage. So the Democratic party of old, became something entirely different. Now the same thing is happening to the Republican Party. This is actually a good thing.
On the whole, 60% of the country identifies itself as "Conservative" - not a member of one party or another. 20% are libertarian types, 20% are Marxists (although they keep insisting we call them something else). This hasn't changed in 40 years.
What has changed is the level of civility. Here, I place the blame squarely on the Democratic Party, who adopted Alinksy tactics. Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis on Alinsky (tried to hide it for 20 years), the Clintonistas pushed the Democratic party into this, they used them very effectively against Bush.
This is when I abandoned the Democratic party....
This is a nice statement without any actual reference.
There's been poll after poll after poll and the one thing everybody agrees on is that the three biggest promises made by Obama regarding the ACA were bold faced lies.
That's the biggest issue IMHO. Had the bill not been crafted in secret, and passed using procedural trickery... Never before in the history of the U.S. has such a large piece of social engineering been created without bipartisan involvement. That's why not one single Republican voted for it - they were shut out of it.
In essence, the Democrats completely blew HOW this was done, then told innumerable lies about it, and now they are getting exactly what they deserve. And then they let an imperial decree be passed so that it's being enforced selectively. Really bad idea.
So you agree with my other points, great, thank you. My statements about the "surplus" lie are correct.
You insinuated that the entire 3 billion was on a no bid contract. There were some no bid contracts at the very beginning of the war, to Haliburton, who was the vendor already providing such services, that only lasted until the proper procurement processes could be followed. Had this not been done, soldiers would have not received food...
Do you want me to talk about no bid green energy projects? Or the favors handed to Jeffery Immelt, which make the contracts handed to Haliburton pale in comparison? How about rewarding Wall Street Bankers with a sweetheart deal that allowed them to suck up the regional banks, making it harder for ordinary Americans to get loans? How about a major piece of social legislation that was passed without bipartisan consensus, the first time in our history something so large has been done this way, and then voted into law using a procedural trick of attaching it to a budget bill, something else that has never been done? How about robbing the tarp fund to reward the UAW for campaign support, and handing them 55% of stock instead of giving it to the creditors - as has been done in every single bankruptcy case in history? Or are these all non starters because the evil Rethignicans didn't do them?
For the record I am neither a rabid conservative or a tea party guy, just an American Citizen who is tired of propaganda from both sides and interested in the facts. Which, if you stay away from the ideological sites, are not that hard to find. I am fed up with "THE NARRATIVE", the sacred tome of talking points that are repeated over and over and over without the slightest bit of rational thought or common sense.
So not submitting a budget AT ALL for two years... and then submitting a budget with an absolutely bat shit crazy deficit - that was defeated 96 to ZERO in the Senate - that's trying to pass a real budget? That they couldn't sell to their own party?
Sorry, but kool aid is kool aid and you're spouting fabricated nonsense.
And yet, when the Republicans asked the Democrats to sit down and talk out a compromise they said "We are not talking to you at all"
A "surplus" to a Democrat is this:
Last year we spent $10 we did not have. Next year we have a mandatory increase of $2, so we plan to spend $12 we do not have. And then, in the next year, they spend $11 they do not have and declare they have a $1 surplus.
What's incredible is that they actually believe this nonsense and repeat it as truth. Same as the 3 trillion dollar no bid contract lie.
You can't SPEND money you didn't have in the first place that you chose not to spend. It does not exist.
Obama actually declared at one point that he saved the taxpayers 100 million dollars because he didn't spend it. By this logic, if I don't buy a new car today, that I can't afford, I have "saved" the price of the car.
And yet, it is clear the poster believes everything he is writing. The quality of the brainwashing is astounding, folks. Let's have him explain the difference between encumbrance, cash basis, and accrual basis accounting and which one government's use - and why.
The Bush administration went to Congress many times and made urgent pleas for them to stop the practice of forcing banks to make loans to people who couldn't possibly pay the loans back. No surprise, they were called racists.
And then when those loans didn't get paid back, they were blamed for it.
800,000 workers on a free vacation with everyone else working means less than 20% of the workforce is not working.
What is happening here is that in order to increase the DRAMA, and get the press to report on those horrible, evil Rethugnicans who just won't come the the table and talk... is that they are selectively closing things they are sure the press will report on.
None of this would be happening if the Democrats would have performed their constitutional duties and passed a budget, but you'll be hard pressed to find any Democrats admitting to the truth, they prefer righteous indignation, and a defined group of people to direct all their hate at.
Disgusting.
WOW, you assume I am rich American Tourist. Sorry, I traveled to many countries on business with someone else picking up the cost, and worked while I was there.
There's nothing WRONG with how things are done in Western Europe. Did I say that? Nope. However claiming that "Quality of Life is better" is arrogant, elitist, snobbish, you pick the adjective. In my opinion quality of life is better here, for a number of reasons that I am sure would be a complete waste of time to argue about.