And do you know what sucks for education? As near as I can tell, even though news agency/magazine XYZ posts their content as freely readable online, if I want my students to read it and am worried about the content being pulled later, I have pay them for the privilege of my students reading something that had been freely posted.
It seems to me these content producers want to have their cake and eat it too.
One of my friends refers to that as distribution-right. He thinks it should entirely replace copyright. A content creator has distribution rights to the created material as long as the material is being distributed, and as soon as it isn't, it's public domain. That way big media could just keep flogging their wares forever, and they'd stay in limited distribution -- but still available -- forever, whereas smaller things that don't have as much public demand can be reproduced by groups like Project Gutenberg and preserved.
What do you do with the special IP case of software? The company which produced it may no longer wish to sell it, but the code itself may contain fragments of patented/copyrighted code that the company does wish to reuse at a later date, or license to a different firm in return for payment?
Hi. You should take a look at archive.org and the wayback machine. They have the existing infrastructure and technology to maintain this sort of archive.
They may have the technology, but they're certainly not archiving all websites, as the previous owners of those sites can request that the archive be pulled. For example, just try to find some of the old sites that referenced a journalist in the UK interviewing some M$ mucky-muck about the numerous errors and misrepresentations in Encarta, only to have the interviewee say something to the effect that the company thought it was more important for Encarta to be politically palatable than factually correct.
As one of the posters to the original article pointed out, one of the biggest obstacles in terms of digitally preserving culture is our insane copyright laws, which are even worse in the UK than in the US.
"Ummm, no, Apple did that first, with Hypercard, in 1986 or '87."
Really? So, lot's of businesses used Hypercard for about 10 years like they did with VB and MSVC and COM (which created a multi-million user third party component market)?
Well, actually, yes. As in I think Northwest Airlines, Renault... and others. We still hear about businesses on the Hypercard list needing help with adding a bit of functionality to their code base. And that's not ten years but more than twenty years.
"First to incorporate the mouse? Not Microsoft"
You misread that.
No, actually, I didn't. Really. Don't give a flying crap about a mousewheel (I mean, it's fine if you do, I just don't). ...
First to ditch the floppy? Not Microsoft.
Nope. Nope. But, you're not seeing my point here.
No, you're not seeing mine. I'm not trying to take anything away from Microsoft. I don't need to. Apple doesn't need to.
This thread isn't about Microsoft.
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Wow. And I think that the Hypercard that ran on the IIgs was the only version that had native color support...
"We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search....And our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause." i.e. Without probable cause, like noises coming from the trunk, the homeland security checkpoints that are randomly placed in certain states may NOT search your car.
That's nice to know, as I must cross such an internal "security" checkpoint near the San Onofre nuclear power plant in SoCal.
I was pulled over one day, while late for work to the north, and subjected to a barrage of questions about my ethnic identity (I am really obviously caucasian), my country of birth, my native language (I speak better English than my interrogator), etc. etc. until I was pulled over and they demanded that I exit my vehicle so that they could search my car.
I refused and asked them what their probable cause was.
Border Patrol told me they didn't have to divulge that information.
I replied that they did, and, after a long stare-off, they let me go.
Every school has an ombudsman whose purpose is to negotiate conflicts between students and the administration / faculty. They are usually very pro-student.
I have two Macs at home, but I don't think my Grandmother could handle it. How do you explain the difference between quitting an application and simply closing the window? My wife has the same issue...
That you mention "Apples Superbowl Commercial" and people know it. My dad knows, and is a real estate manager! That commercial really sticks in peoples mind. I would love to see apple come out with another commercial of that caliber...
How can you mod this as Troll? The only reason most Mac users ever act smug is because we're sick and tired of Windows people telling us that we're idiots who need to buy "real" computers.
Clearly you never had to wait for your dad to shell out $400 for a 5.25" floppy drive upgrade on your Commodore 64 because your cassette drive would just take FOREVER to load Temple of Apshai (which, until this very post some 25 years later -- Christ... -- I thought was spelled Aphsai).
A shadow government? Dear g*d no. Maybe it can be located in one of the same countries hosting the off-shore bank accounts of companies getting government bailouts:-/
What would you expect him to do? Kick and scream and challenge Barack to a duel?
Ummmm..... Wherefore the sarcasm and nastiness?
All I said was that (a) I'm not a Bush supporter and (b) I admired how he handled the transition. I'm reasonably certain that he could have done all sorts of things to impede a smooth transition but am impressed that he chose not to do so.
I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, but I admire how he's handled the transition...
The only thing I wonder about... Bush supposedly blew a kiss out the window of his limo as he left the White house for the last time. Did anyone see if, after blowing the kiss, his hand went to his behind, slightly changing the message?
Most of We The People wouldn't know the Constitution from the holes in their asses, pick and choose the parts of it they want to pay attention to and modify the meaning of other parts to their liking, or simply don't care what it has to say in the first place.
This is too sadly true. My third-year college students may know what the First Amendment is, but are utterly lost on the rest. Only the foreign-born students have a clue.
I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, but I admire how he's handled the transition, even if it was due to very low approval ratings and wanting the last presidential coverage of him to be positive.
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And do you know what sucks for education? As near as I can tell, even though news agency/magazine XYZ posts their content as freely readable online, if I want my students to read it and am worried about the content being pulled later, I have pay them for the privilege of my students reading something that had been freely posted.
It seems to me these content producers want to have their cake and eat it too.
One of my friends refers to that as distribution-right. He thinks it should entirely replace copyright. A content creator has distribution rights to the created material as long as the material is being distributed, and as soon as it isn't, it's public domain. That way big media could just keep flogging their wares forever, and they'd stay in limited distribution -- but still available -- forever, whereas smaller things that don't have as much public demand can be reproduced by groups like Project Gutenberg and preserved.
What do you do with the special IP case of software? The company which produced it may no longer wish to sell it, but the code itself may contain fragments of patented/copyrighted code that the company does wish to reuse at a later date, or license to a different firm in return for payment?
Hi. You should take a look at archive.org and the wayback machine. They have the existing infrastructure and technology to maintain this sort of archive.
They may have the technology, but they're certainly not archiving all websites, as the previous owners of those sites can request that the archive be pulled. For example, just try to find some of the old sites that referenced a journalist in the UK interviewing some M$ mucky-muck about the numerous errors and misrepresentations in Encarta, only to have the interviewee say something to the effect that the company thought it was more important for Encarta to be politically palatable than factually correct.
As one of the posters to the original article pointed out, one of the biggest obstacles in terms of digitally preserving culture is our insane copyright laws, which are even worse in the UK than in the US.
Okay, I'll let you have the last word.
Oh, wait!
I'm so sorry, I must have misread the thread's title. It really is Happy 25th Microsoft?
Yeah, right. Whatever.
I'm not jealous; for what I pay for Apple products, I could have a couple of PCs; I just don't want any.
Don't want a two (or three or ...) button mouse.
Don't want a mousewheel. Really.
Don't want VBA = Virus-Building Application.
Are you capable of sticking to a topic? Or are you just one big moving target?
"Ummm, no, Apple did that first, with Hypercard, in 1986 or '87."
Really? So, lot's of businesses used Hypercard for about 10 years like they did with VB and MSVC and COM (which created a multi-million user third party component market)?
Well, actually, yes. As in I think Northwest Airlines, Renault... and others. We still hear about businesses on the Hypercard list needing help with adding a bit of functionality to their code base. And that's not ten years but more than twenty years.
"First to incorporate the mouse? Not Microsoft"
You misread that.
No, actually, I didn't. Really. Don't give a flying crap about a mousewheel (I mean, it's fine if you do, I just don't).
...
First to ditch the floppy? Not Microsoft.
Nope. Nope. But, you're not seeing my point here.
No, you're not seeing mine. I'm not trying to take anything away from Microsoft. I don't need to. Apple doesn't need to.
This thread isn't about Microsoft.
Wow. And I think that the Hypercard that ran on the IIgs was the only version that had native color support...
Have you ever started up an Adobe application?
I try really hard not to...
Microsoft also revolutionized the rapid development of software with things like Visual Basic and COM.
Ummm, no, Apple did that first, with Hypercard, in 1986 or '87.
First to incorporate the mouse? Not Microsoft
First to incorporate a GUI? Not Microsoft
First to make REAL use of USB? Not Microsoft.
First to ditch the floppy? Not Microsoft
First to market with a PDA that recognized your handwriting? Not Microsoft.
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Yeah, I can be a dumbass... surely not the first.
P.S. Found a reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Martinez-Fuerte
"We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search....And our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause." i.e. Without probable cause, like noises coming from the trunk, the homeland security checkpoints that are randomly placed in certain states may NOT search your car.
Here's a useful resource:
https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/
That's nice to know, as I must cross such an internal "security" checkpoint near the San Onofre nuclear power plant in SoCal.
I was pulled over one day, while late for work to the north, and subjected to a barrage of questions about my ethnic identity (I am really obviously caucasian), my country of birth, my native language (I speak better English than my interrogator), etc. etc. until I was pulled over and they demanded that I exit my vehicle so that they could search my car.
I refused and asked them what their probable cause was.
Border Patrol told me they didn't have to divulge that information.
I replied that they did, and, after a long stare-off, they let me go.
Pissed me off...
Every school has an ombudsman whose purpose is to negotiate conflicts between students and the administration / faculty. They are usually very pro-student.
No, they're not.
They're really not.
I work in higher ed, and they're really not.
I used to do that - type off my notes into my Commodore, and then print them off on my dot matrix.
Ditto!
Anybody remember PaperClip?
I'm guessing brother.
Okay...
I have two Macs at home, but I don't think my Grandmother could handle it. How do you explain the difference between quitting an application and simply closing the window? My wife has the same issue...
Sounds like a classic Windows user to me...
That you mention "Apples Superbowl Commercial" and people know it. My dad knows, and is a real estate manager! That commercial really sticks in peoples mind. I would love to see apple come out with another commercial of that caliber. ..
Ahh, but do you remember the "burn, baby, burn" commercial?
I laugh every time I hear the song on the radio...
How can you mod this as Troll? The only reason most Mac users ever act smug is because we're sick and tired of Windows people telling us that we're idiots who need to buy "real" computers.
Amen brother! (or sister).
Yeah but, is it easy enough for Windows users to use it?
Unfortunately, it's too easy for Windows users, who are so accustomed to absolute crap that, when they encounter a Mac, simply don't know what to do.
Clearly you never had to wait for your dad to shell out $400 for a 5.25" floppy drive upgrade on your Commodore 64 because your cassette drive would just take FOREVER to load Temple of Apshai (which, until this very post some 25 years later -- Christ... -- I thought was spelled Aphsai).
OMFG! I had that game and loved it!!!
Remember loading programs via cassette tape?
A shadow government? Dear g*d no. Maybe it can be located in one of the same countries hosting the off-shore bank accounts of companies getting government bailouts :-/
Sorry I misinterpreted your remarks.
What would you expect him to do? Kick and scream and challenge Barack to a duel?
Ummmm..... Wherefore the sarcasm and nastiness?
All I said was that (a) I'm not a Bush supporter and (b) I admired how he handled the transition. I'm reasonably certain that he could have done all sorts of things to impede a smooth transition but am impressed that he chose not to do so.
Sheesh.
The only thing I wonder about... Bush supposedly blew a kiss out the window of his limo as he left the White house for the last time. Did anyone see if, after blowing the kiss, his hand went to his behind, slightly changing the message?
I must admit I missed that.
Most of We The People wouldn't know the Constitution from the holes in their asses, pick and choose the parts of it they want to pay attention to and modify the meaning of other parts to their liking, or simply don't care what it has to say in the first place.
This is too sadly true. My third-year college students may know what the First Amendment is, but are utterly lost on the rest. Only the foreign-born students have a clue.
How fscking sad is that?
I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, but I admire how he's handled the transition, even if it was due to very low approval ratings and wanting the last presidential coverage of him to be positive.
He was actually sworn in shortly after noon, although he was President at exactly noon anyway.
As the news reported, actually, it was Joe Biden who was president at noon, having been sworn in and in the absence of a sworn-in Obama...