Re:Maybe it time to start working on HURD
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Yeah, SCO won't be sueing about the HURD until it's stable and has some deep pockets attached they can rummage through. They do own all OS's, just ask Darl...
SCO is innovating. This is, after all, an innovative business model. It may even contain patentable business processes. Don't try this at home unless you purchase a license from SCO.
Microsoft did a study that determined just that... noone understands what.NET is. They even announced that (and it was posted on Slashdot) A friend of mine was involved in the research. I wonder why the changed thier mind(s)? Is this Chairman Bill's pet project? MS marketing still got no clue how to market this differently? Interesting none the less. I like the idea of calling the thecnologies.NOT, and never using them.
"Who would claim that a honeypot did them 5 grand in damages?"
A spammer looking for open relays? An ISP looking for open ports? A corp protecting it's internal net with active port scans? Anyone hiring a consultant to find out why they got stuck?
While there is no new news posted on the site, ther are current tarballs on the ftp server, as recent as 5.9.03. (but that file appears to be a redux, last update to code seems to be 3.13.03)
The sourceforge page for the project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/intermezzo) shows status as production/stable but the info there looks stale too.
Since I am waiting for flac and shn decoders to be built in to these units I'll put in my $.02 on the storage capacity issue. I do not listen to many mp3 wma or other lossy formats. I have about 1T of music. Yes, 1 terrabyte. 60G is a good start to being able to handle my requirements.
This is nothing new. How many times have we heard " is enough for anyone". Time almost always proves such staters incorrect. I replace my first HDD within 2 weeks because 20Mb wasn't enough. The 30Mb I got to replace it filled quickly and needed I more but couldn't afford it. This cycle has been repeated for for aboput 17 years now.
Used to make "wordcon" menus with MSDOS batch files. I suppose you could make great ones with current tools, or you could butcher your GUI and remove all graphcs.
BTW, ever wonder how much brain power does it take to convert all those words back into the images your brain processes?
Most of the software that is needed by a student is already available and usable, though maybe not slick. If a student needs something specific i.e. a business student needs powerpoint, they can buy and install it on their own machine. An open source alternative could be available on the campus machines.
You think too small. Your objections are the short term problems I spoke of. They will be remedied. I don't expect that every student will write software. But some will, and some of those will write good software. You don't have to believe me. Just wait.
Why should students only learn how to use one program rather than learning how to get something done with the tools that are available? And lest we forget, the computing world evolves very quickly. During the 4 years or so that they are in school applications will change. I learned wordstar and supercalc and dbase in college. I was able to translate that education so I could use wordperfect, ms word, word for windows, lotus 123, excel, oracle, mysql etc... You may find someday that a word processor is a word processor, a spreadsheet a spreadsheet. An operating system an Operating system. If they learn what to do, they can then learn to use whatever tool they get ahold of. What is the difference if they learn to use M$ or open source programs in school?
A little bit of ROI math goes a long way when justifying recommendations. The lazy and unconfident won't try to convince their clients to try something different. They are followers not leaders. If the "weird open source app" is a good tool for the job and has a better ROI a leader WILL try to convince their clients to use it. I have in fact done this, and the contractor I hired has changed their entire business model to use weird open source apps exclusively. They were struggling to make ends meet. Now they are profitable. They sell results, not brand names.
But this is irrelevent, as it is obvious you are a follower so this falls on deaf ears. You will learn to use open source software when you are told.
IMHO you titled your response very appropriately. It deserves to be fertilizer.
Linux works fine for most desktop users. There are opensource applications that can do most anything a student needs to do.
A great benefit of using open source software in a university environment is that it is very likely that the students will fix existing applications and code new ones if they don't like what is available. Even if you are correct that the available applications are not sufficient, I doubt that it would take long for that to change.
Also consider that a student would be free to own a Microsoft operating system and keep it installed on thier personal machine if they wish.
I think that there may be short term inconveniences but that in the long run the students would benefit, the university would benefit and the computing world in general would benefit.
I should know. I am using Linux (gentoo) on my desktop and have been running some form of linux on my desktop for 3 years. I have also developed a production open source web infrastructure. I mean end to end, from the routers to the application servers to the database servers etc... It blows away the commercial alternatives in terms of function and cost less that 25% of the cost of a commercial alternative to implement. Not to mention that I can, if necesary, run the site for nearly no cost now that the core development is complete, since it it so stable and there are no yearly license fees. I just buy bandwidth and keep my boxes running. The ongoing maint/licensing costs of a commercial solution can be quite daunting.
If students learned to do what I have done it will benefit both them and thier future employers, as well as the university.
Almost all mechanical devices can fail. Is that a reason not to use them? If the moments are important, use two or more methods to record them.
When my sister was married the photographer had a beautiful Hassleblad large format camera, among the best at the time. The shutter failed though, and all the pictures he took were garbage.
Fortunately he also had an assistant that took basically the same shots with another camera.
Remember, if it's important always have a backup, no matter how reliable the medium or device if the recording is important!
But UNIX is not one of them. I have been hearing that UNIX is dying since 1989 when I worked at Everex. They had an OEM version of ATT SystemV, Xenix was popular, and Windows was at verson 2.03 or so. Novell was pushing the distributed model, and held the top position in server software for years. But what happened? First Novell bought UNIX from ATT, later the internet brought UNIX back to the front line. The popularity and sensibility of unix is directly related to the growth of the internet IMO. UNIX is very unlikely to die anytime soon. It will more likely continuye to evolve at an ever increasing pace.
While Slashdotters were posting like crazy on this topic, myself and a band of fellow PEV (That's personal Electric Vehicle) enthusiasts wer having the first ever e-board derby. Find out more at: http://www.egroups.com/group/zappy/
There sure is alot of misinformation here about electric fueled vehicles! 1. Lead Acid Batteries are over 90% recyclable, so any percieved toxic waste problem is not serious compared with ICE waste. 2. More than 95% of automobile usage is for trips of 20 miles or less. An EV is practical for most of an average american's driving.
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Yeah, SCO won't be sueing about the HURD until it's stable and has some deep pockets attached they can rummage through. They do own all OS's, just ask Darl...
SCO is innovating. This is, after all, an innovative business model. It may even contain patentable business processes. Don't try this at home unless you purchase a license from SCO.
Microsoft did a study that determined just that... noone understands what .NET is. They even announced that (and it was posted on Slashdot) A friend of mine was involved in the research. I wonder why the changed thier mind(s)? Is this Chairman Bill's pet project? MS marketing still got no clue how to market this differently? Interesting none the less. I like the idea of calling the thecnologies .NOT, and never using them.
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Or until the warranty expires.
Well then, I guess I'll just have to install SCO linux on all my boxes, then upgrade them using Gentoo.
"Who would claim that a honeypot did them 5 grand in damages?"
A spammer looking for open relays? An ISP looking for open ports? A corp protecting it's internal net with active port scans? Anyone hiring a consultant to find out why they got stuck?
5,000 ain't that much these days.
Mystical Animals? How do you get mystical animals from the names of Pontiacs? I think it should be called LeMans.
While there is no new news posted on the site, ther are current tarballs on the ftp server, as recent as 5.9.03. (but that file appears to be a redux, last update to code seems to be 3.13.03)
The sourceforge page for the project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/intermezzo) shows status as production/stable but the info there looks stale too.
Since I am waiting for flac and shn decoders to be built in to these units I'll put in my $.02 on the storage capacity issue. I do not listen to many mp3 wma or other lossy formats. I have about 1T of music. Yes, 1 terrabyte. 60G is a good start to being able to handle my requirements.
This is nothing new. How many times have we heard " is enough for anyone". Time almost always proves such staters incorrect. I replace my first HDD within 2 weeks because 20Mb wasn't enough. The 30Mb I got to replace it filled quickly and needed I more but couldn't afford it. This cycle has been repeated for for aboput 17 years now.
Caveat Emptor
Used to make "wordcon" menus with MSDOS batch files. I suppose you could make great ones with current tools, or you could butcher your GUI and remove all graphcs.
BTW, ever wonder how much brain power does it take to convert all those words back into the images your brain processes?
Most of the software that is needed by a student is already available and usable, though maybe not slick. If a student needs something specific i.e. a business student needs powerpoint, they can buy and install it on their own machine. An open source alternative could be available on the campus machines.
You think too small. Your objections are the short term problems I spoke of. They will be remedied. I don't expect that every student will write software. But some will, and some of those will write good software. You don't have to believe me. Just wait.
Why should students only learn how to use one program rather than learning how to get something done with the tools that are available? And lest we forget, the computing world evolves very quickly. During the 4 years or so that they are in school applications will change. I learned wordstar and supercalc and dbase in college. I was able to translate that education so I could use wordperfect, ms word, word for windows, lotus 123, excel, oracle, mysql etc... You may find someday that a word processor is a word processor, a spreadsheet a spreadsheet. An operating system an Operating system. If they learn what to do, they can then learn to use whatever tool they get ahold of. What is the difference if they learn to use M$ or open source programs in school?
A little bit of ROI math goes a long way when justifying recommendations. The lazy and unconfident won't try to convince their clients to try something different. They are followers not leaders. If the "weird open source app" is a good tool for the job and has a better ROI a leader WILL try to convince their clients to use it. I have in fact done this, and the contractor I hired has changed their entire business model to use weird open source apps exclusively. They were struggling to make ends meet. Now they are profitable. They sell results, not brand names.
But this is irrelevent, as it is obvious you are a follower so this falls on deaf ears. You will learn to use open source software when you are told.
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You may think me a fool, but I know I am.
IMHO you titled your response very appropriately. It deserves to be fertilizer.
Linux works fine for most desktop users. There are opensource applications that can do most anything a student needs to do.
A great benefit of using open source software in a university environment is that it is very likely that the students will fix existing applications and code new ones if they don't like what is available. Even if you are correct that the available applications are not sufficient, I doubt that it would take long for that to change.
Also consider that a student would be free to own a Microsoft operating system and keep it installed on thier personal machine if they wish.
I think that there may be short term inconveniences but that in the long run the students would benefit, the university would benefit and the computing world in general would benefit.
I should know. I am using Linux (gentoo) on my desktop and have been running some form of linux on my desktop for 3 years. I have also developed a production open source web infrastructure. I mean end to end, from the routers to the application servers to the database servers etc... It blows away the commercial alternatives in terms of function and cost less that 25% of the cost of a commercial alternative to implement. Not to mention that I can, if necesary, run the site for nearly no cost now that the core development is complete, since it it so stable and there are no yearly license fees. I just buy bandwidth and keep my boxes running. The ongoing maint/licensing costs of a commercial solution can be quite daunting.
If students learned to do what I have done it will benefit both them and thier future employers, as well as the university.
Almost all mechanical devices can fail. Is that a reason not to use them? If the moments are important, use two or more methods to record them.
When my sister was married the photographer had a beautiful Hassleblad large format camera, among the best at the time. The shutter failed though, and all the pictures he took were garbage.
Fortunately he also had an assistant that took basically the same shots with another camera.
Remember, if it's important always have a backup, no matter how reliable the medium or device if the recording is important!
But UNIX is not one of them. I have been hearing that UNIX is dying since 1989 when I worked at Everex. They had an OEM version of ATT SystemV, Xenix was popular, and Windows was at verson 2.03 or so. Novell was pushing the distributed model, and held the top position in server software for years. But what happened? First Novell bought UNIX from ATT, later the internet brought UNIX back to the front line. The popularity and sensibility of unix is directly related to the growth of the internet IMO. UNIX is very unlikely to die anytime soon. It will more likely continuye to evolve at an ever increasing pace.
While Slashdotters were posting like crazy on this topic, myself and a band of fellow PEV (That's personal Electric Vehicle) enthusiasts wer having the first ever e-board derby. Find out more at: http://www.egroups.com/group/zappy/
There sure is alot of misinformation here about electric fueled vehicles! 1. Lead Acid Batteries are over 90% recyclable, so any percieved toxic waste problem is not serious compared with ICE waste. 2. More than 95% of automobile usage is for trips of 20 miles or less. An EV is practical for most of an average american's driving.