Well a good NAT Firewall will help, as many people have stated. However, with the level of paranoia that I'm at (and I'm a security architect for a large corp... so my paranoia is pretty high), I would load all major updates onto a thumb drive or CD or some other media and update before connecting to the web.
I think that link should clarify your misunderstanding. While the moths do not particularly hang about on tree trunks, the populations still modified their ratios in line with the pollution. The only thing that the corrections have indicated so far, seems to be that instead of birds being the sole reason for this modification, it appears as one reason among many.
The population still "evolved", thogh to be fair, the evolution was mostly cosmetic and doesn't really prove anything of great import.
However, even on its own, with nothing else, it's about 1000 times greater evidence that ID has.
I was a JW for about 23 years... I'm interested as to why you percieve their take on evolution as different. At the time I left (2000) they were still avidly pro-creation and continued to reference their book "Did Man Get Here By Evolution or Creation?" From my recollections, it was pretty definately on the side of Creation and thought that evolution was a lie.
Perhaps they've changed in the past few years... their beliefs tend to do that whenever it becomes painfully obvious that they're wrong.;-)
Jehovah's Wittnesses can be considered Christian, in many respects. Christian means Christ-like not Worshipper of Christ. Jehovah's Wittnesses base their ministry (arguably one of the most important part of their reality tunnel) on the ministry of Christ (as recorded in the Gospels). They stress the aspects of "brotherly love" that Christ is recorded as having pushed. Indeed, the most important date of their year is the one corresponding with Nisan 14, the night of the Lords Evening Meal. Jehovah's Wittnesses consider Jesus as The Only Creation of God (all else was created by both God and Jesus). He is greater than the angels and like God in all aspects, except that he is Not the Father. They consider him their King and their Redeemer.
When Jehovah's Wittnessesd pray, they end all prayers "through Jesus" "In Jesus' Name, Amen" or something similar. They believe that unless one goes Through Jesus as the mediator between imperfect man and Perfect God, that God will not hear their prayers. In their belief, without Jesus, we would all be condemed to die.
That being said, they still consider Jehbovah as the Creator, The Father and God... he's just not all that acceptable until humans regain perfection... until then, they worship him through Christ.
I'd say they're not the typical Protestant, but that doesn't mean they aren't Christian.
It seems a difference of models, to me. The Evolutionist tries to fit data on the model of some scientific method. For data to be processed on the model, it must meet some requirements. For example, it must be able to be disproven, it must be testable etc.
In the Christian reality tunnel, the model has a different set of requirements, one of which is that God exists. All data on the model must fit with the initial requirement of said model.
To claim that one model is right and the other wrong, appears to be a decision of bias... it seems that we may only be able to state that some models appear more useful for some things that others.
I think the disconnect may be in the area of the country you live in. I've noticed that ID proponents tend to be less urban... and thus have had dealings with less urban schools. I grew up in a very small town and every discussion of evolution in our class was delivered as a statement of Fact. There was no maybe, no question, simply "This Is The Truth". However, from my urban friends, I find that they percieved no such bias in their education.
I wonder if it may be that teachers in more rural areas are teaching in a very different way than teachers in a more urban setting. It may help to explain the perception of some ID proponents (Not that it makes teaching a load of BS like ID in class).
I think you may have your Christian and Jewish wires crossed. The Jewish belief system during the time of Moses does not appear to inculde Purgatory, Heaven or Hell for post death activity.
I think the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. More fundamentalist religions tend to presume that the Bible is Correct, while some of the less fundamental groups(and the Catholics oddly enough) tend to consider the Bible a spiritual guide, not a historical one.
Other groups seem to pick and choose what is and isn't litteral.
Jehovah's Wittnesses, for example, take Genesis litteral, but consider a "day" to mean a full cycle of time, and not a 24 hour spin on this rock. Ergo, it could have been 6 days, 6000 years, 6,000,000,000 years, or more. The creation of Adam and Eve is conisdered litteral, but the Revelations are not litteral and are instead symbolic.
In the US at least, there are a number of other less mainstream groups (and some mainstream protestant groups) that appear similar to this sort of view.
Indeed, the best it says is (paraphrase) "All scripture is inspired by God"... considering that FanFic is also 'inspired' I don't think that means much;-)
No one works under me and I didn't land a sweet deal in the infrastructure. I educated myself since my parents could afford college (and their religion all but forbade me from going). I worked hard and now I make a living wage. I have enough money to pay for rent, utilities and a few nicities on occasion. Yet, I have to pay taxes to things that I don't have access to (as the previous poster pointed out).
The existing tax structure in the US appears farsical.
I could never get B&W 1 to run under Wine, even with Cadega. It would install, start and then explode in a shower of jerky graphics and fail.
According to the onlie info I found, this was pretty much the typical experience. I'll have to try it under the new wine code release and see if it finally works.
Actually, a number of car hackers have been using this idea for some time. The hydrogen boost I've seen people play with used aluminum cans for the metal and produced a respectable amount of hydrogen... enough that it acted as a boost and gave a 10-15% percent improvement on fuel. That isn't much, but water and old cans are a cheap way to get it.
While I appreciate the idea, it appears unworkable, on its own, for many Americans. If one lives in New York, Chicago or some other large city, Public Transit makes sense and bicycles appear useful. In Columbus, Ohio, though, public transit simply cannot keep up with urban sprawl in mosbuinall cases. Many people are at least a good 20 minutes by car from their jobs (2 hours when there is traffic). The city was never designed to be intelligently used, it appears to have formed in some bizzare amorphous fashion, a number of medium and small American cities seem similar.
Also don't forget the large sections of country that are rural. I grew up in a small town where most people commuted 30-60 minutes to work. Many of my friends had to drive 20 minutes just to get to our tiny town, another 20 to Zanesville (small town) and an hour to Columbus.
Public Transit, along with responsible urban planning, fuel efficient options for rural areas and a focus on telecommuting seems like a good start to me.
Mostly due to the serious danger of hauling around pressurized hydrogen... Although, that might help clear up accidents on the interstate.
*and now to our eyes in the sky*
"We got a four car pile-up on I270 near the on ramp for I 71. Wait a minute... nevermind, someone's hydrogen tank must have leaked, the freeway is clear again, except for the mounds of burning metal."
As Robert Anton Wilson once pointed out, those places would make more money if the employees didn't sample the wares (in his case the poor waitress (and everyone at the table) couldn't remember if they'd actually paid the bill or not).
Defense In Depth - Should your browser fail to be secure, one should have additional layers of security in place. Personal Firewalls, firewall/router combos, IDS (for the geek) or IDS for the corproation. One should never rely on any single piece of software (even if it was blessed by holy penguin pee) for their security.
I read a study last year which appeared to indicate that hemp would make a much better source of ethanol from biomatter than corn. Lower maintainence costs and higher yield. And it can be grown in mosbunall states (it's cousin probably is already, in fact;-) )
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Well a good NAT Firewall will help, as many people have stated. However, with the level of paranoia that I'm at (and I'm a security architect for a large corp... so my paranoia is pretty high), I would load all major updates onto a thumb drive or CD or some other media and update before connecting to the web.
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/Moths/moths .html
I think that link should clarify your misunderstanding. While the moths do not particularly hang about on tree trunks, the populations still modified their ratios in line with the pollution. The only thing that the corrections have indicated so far, seems to be that instead of birds being the sole reason for this modification, it appears as one reason among many.
The population still "evolved", thogh to be fair, the evolution was mostly cosmetic and doesn't really prove anything of great import.
However, even on its own, with nothing else, it's about 1000 times greater evidence that ID has.
Well said... Model Agnosticism, in my opinion, would get rid of a number of major issues ;-)
(Model Agnosticism (agnostic toward the model you choose to interpert reality through), not religious agnosticism)
I was a JW for about 23 years... I'm interested as to why you percieve their take on evolution as different. At the time I left (2000) they were still avidly pro-creation and continued to reference their book "Did Man Get Here By Evolution or Creation?" From my recollections, it was pretty definately on the side of Creation and thought that evolution was a lie.
;-)
Perhaps they've changed in the past few years... their beliefs tend to do that whenever it becomes painfully obvious that they're wrong.
Jehovah's Wittnesses can be considered Christian, in many respects. Christian means Christ-like not Worshipper of Christ. Jehovah's Wittnesses base their ministry (arguably one of the most important part of their reality tunnel) on the ministry of Christ (as recorded in the Gospels). They stress the aspects of "brotherly love" that Christ is recorded as having pushed. Indeed, the most important date of their year is the one corresponding with Nisan 14, the night of the Lords Evening Meal. Jehovah's Wittnesses consider Jesus as The Only Creation of God (all else was created by both God and Jesus). He is greater than the angels and like God in all aspects, except that he is Not the Father. They consider him their King and their Redeemer.
When Jehovah's Wittnessesd pray, they end all prayers "through Jesus" "In Jesus' Name, Amen" or something similar. They believe that unless one goes Through Jesus as the mediator between imperfect man and Perfect God, that God will not hear their prayers. In their belief, without Jesus, we would all be condemed to die.
That being said, they still consider Jehbovah as the Creator, The Father and God... he's just not all that acceptable until humans regain perfection... until then, they worship him through Christ.
I'd say they're not the typical Protestant, but that doesn't mean they aren't Christian.
It seems a difference of models, to me. The Evolutionist tries to fit data on the model of some scientific method. For data to be processed on the model, it must meet some requirements. For example, it must be able to be disproven, it must be testable etc.
In the Christian reality tunnel, the model has a different set of requirements, one of which is that God exists. All data on the model must fit with the initial requirement of said model.
To claim that one model is right and the other wrong, appears to be a decision of bias... it seems that we may only be able to state that some models appear more useful for some things that others.
I think the disconnect may be in the area of the country you live in. I've noticed that ID proponents tend to be less urban... and thus have had dealings with less urban schools. I grew up in a very small town and every discussion of evolution in our class was delivered as a statement of Fact. There was no maybe, no question, simply "This Is The Truth". However, from my urban friends, I find that they percieved no such bias in their education.
I wonder if it may be that teachers in more rural areas are teaching in a very different way than teachers in a more urban setting. It may help to explain the perception of some ID proponents (Not that it makes teaching a load of BS like ID in class).
Which is why I would prefer to see our students taught to:
A) Question everything
B) Use the Scientific Method to examine the usefulness of information in A.
If we taught people HOW to think, instead of WHAT to think, we'd likely be better off.
I think you may have your Christian and Jewish wires crossed. The Jewish belief system during the time of Moses does not appear to inculde Purgatory, Heaven or Hell for post death activity.
I think the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. More fundamentalist religions tend to presume that the Bible is Correct, while some of the less fundamental groups(and the Catholics oddly enough) tend to consider the Bible a spiritual guide, not a historical one.
Other groups seem to pick and choose what is and isn't litteral.
Jehovah's Wittnesses, for example, take Genesis litteral, but consider a "day" to mean a full cycle of time, and not a 24 hour spin on this rock. Ergo, it could have been 6 days, 6000 years, 6,000,000,000 years, or more. The creation of Adam and Eve is conisdered litteral, but the Revelations are not litteral and are instead symbolic.
In the US at least, there are a number of other less mainstream groups (and some mainstream protestant groups) that appear similar to this sort of view.
Indeed, the best it says is ;-)
(paraphrase)
"All scripture is inspired by God"... considering that FanFic is also 'inspired' I don't think that means much
Sorry, that should have said "could not afford college..."
No one works under me and I didn't land a sweet deal in the infrastructure. I educated myself since my parents could afford college (and their religion all but forbade me from going). I worked hard and now I make a living wage. I have enough money to pay for rent, utilities and a few nicities on occasion. Yet, I have to pay taxes to things that I don't have access to (as the previous poster pointed out).
The existing tax structure in the US appears farsical.
I could never get B&W 1 to run under Wine, even with Cadega. It would install, start and then explode in a shower of jerky graphics and fail.
According to the onlie info I found, this was pretty much the typical experience. I'll have to try it under the new wine code release and see if it finally works.
Actually, a number of car hackers have been using this idea for some time. The hydrogen boost I've seen people play with used aluminum cans for the metal and produced a respectable amount of hydrogen... enough that it acted as a boost and gave a 10-15% percent improvement on fuel. That isn't much, but water and old cans are a cheap way to get it.
While I appreciate the idea, it appears unworkable, on its own, for many Americans. If one lives in New York, Chicago or some other large city, Public Transit makes sense and bicycles appear useful. In Columbus, Ohio, though, public transit simply cannot keep up with urban sprawl in mosbuinall cases. Many people are at least a good 20 minutes by car from their jobs (2 hours when there is traffic). The city was never designed to be intelligently used, it appears to have formed in some bizzare amorphous fashion, a number of medium and small American cities seem similar.
Also don't forget the large sections of country that are rural. I grew up in a small town where most people commuted 30-60 minutes to work. Many of my friends had to drive 20 minutes just to get to our tiny town, another 20 to Zanesville (small town) and an hour to Columbus.
Public Transit, along with responsible urban planning, fuel efficient options for rural areas and a focus on telecommuting seems like a good start to me.
Mostly due to the serious danger of hauling around pressurized hydrogen... Although, that might help clear up accidents on the interstate.
*and now to our eyes in the sky*
"We got a four car pile-up on I270 near the on ramp for I 71. Wait a minute... nevermind, someone's hydrogen tank must have leaked, the freeway is clear again, except for the mounds of burning metal."
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
As Robert Anton Wilson once pointed out, those places would make more money if the employees didn't sample the wares (in his case the poor waitress (and everyone at the table) couldn't remember if they'd actually paid the bill or not).
Dude,
Don't smoke it! That's so Cheech and Chong! Try brownies, Honey Oil, or, if you have lots of Kif, stufdf a chicken with it...
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And of course, distraction is also a factor. When I'm stoned, some new idea may pop in and blow away whatever was there before.
Not that I get stoned... thats illegal
*cough*
Defense In Depth - Should your browser fail to be secure, one should have additional layers of security in place. Personal Firewalls, firewall/router combos, IDS (for the geek) or IDS for the corproation. One should never rely on any single piece of software (even if it was blessed by holy penguin pee) for their security.
Well, OSX used to run only on expensive Mac Hardware... that will soon no longer be an issue.
Err, well Cedega and the Crossover stuff seems to run those apps...
I read a study last year which appeared to indicate that hemp would make a much better source of ethanol from biomatter than corn. Lower maintainence costs and higher yield. And it can be grown in mosbunall states (it's cousin probably is already, in fact ;-) )