So, if we put together two recent Supreme Court rulings we get:
When it comes to land ownership, the local governments know better than the federal government how to treat your property.
When it comes to medical marijuana, the federal drug czar, and congress know better than the local doctor how to treat your illness.
In short:
We make decisions now, based on the way the wind is blowing, Judge O'Conners tarot readings and Justice Scalia's ever popular divining in the liver of a cow. There used to be this thing called the Constitution, but it has lots of big words and small letters.
They began enforcement in the Tier One companies and are slowly expanding outward to encompass all companies that maintain any cardholder data. You're probably not Tier One.
Actually, one might consider them evil precisely because they tried to achieve order. The only way that any true Order can be achieved, is to remove the variables that may cause a butterfly effect. One must remove anything that might act in a chaotic fashion or not flow with the accepted standard.
Some may argue that the aneristic illusion that they suffered under, led to the interrment and eventual genocide of any who refused to be Ordered.
Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord Muncher of the ChaoAcorn Chatterer of the Wrods of Eris POEE fo The Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal
Are you honestly telling me that you're so completely deluded by your religious dogma that a bit of jewelry in a mans ear offends you? Think about how pathetic that sounds to anyone who actually uses their brain for more than memorizing someone elses beliefs and parroting judgemental statements (while crying "Judge Not!").
I think I would prefer to buy from an honest man wearing a thousand earrings, than a hypocrite spouting the same sort of dogma that leads to inquisitions, witch burnings, jihads and genocide.
Clothes make the man, Naked people have little or no influence on society.
- Mark Twain
In a public "face of the company" setting, one must consider the possible ramifications of the customer's own bizzare reality tunnel. Therefore, it seems wise to make the "public face" the least contraversial possible.
However, your statement that because someone "violates" local custom in dress or body art, they're more likely to violate work rules seems absurd at best and simple stereotyping at worst. If that's how your brain operates, I'd have nothing to do with your company (and I don't have tats or body jewelry.)
What culture are "we" in then? I would hazzard a guess (based on the past decade of experience in IT) that a large minority of Professionals in the IT "culture" either have tats, piercings or long hair and some sort of facial hair. Most of my experience has been in Ohio, a more conservative area... so I would guess that NYC, LA, ewtc might have a higher precentage of such "culture".
the meaning of life is not "get as much as possible, enjoy as much as possible, and do as little as possible", it is to further the SPECIES.
Jesus H Christ! I can't believe it, for thousands of years mankind has struggled with the answer to the meaning of life, and one of the great Slashdot Sages apparently has had it all along!
For the purpose of this post, lets go with Dr. Leary's 8-circuit consciousness model.
1. The Biosurvival Circuit: imprinted in infancy. Concerned with sucking, nourishment, cuddling, biosecurity.
2. The Emotional-Territorial Circuit: imprinted in the toddling stage. Concerned with territorial demands, emotional power tactics, political domination-and-submission strategies.
3. The Semantic Circuit: imprinted by human artifacts and symbol systems. Concerned with handling the environment, invention, calculation, prediction, building a "map" of the universe.
4. The Sociosexual Circuit: imprinted by the first orgasm-mating experiences and tribal "morals." Concerned with sexual pleasure, local definitions of "moral" and "immoral", reproduction, nurture of the young.
One may find that the most impassioned of advocates have imprinted heavily during the development of their second circuit.
For apes, the second circuit seems the circuit where they learn to protect their territory. It appears that the 4th circuit is where they get to learn the fine art of slinging poo.
Think of your most obnoxious of Open Source geeks. Then consider the following questions:
Do they consider IT or CS as their "territory"?
Do they further consider Open Source as their "territory"?
Do they defend/promote etc in a way that may be construed as "This IS The Best", "this IS the only real option", "this IS the answer to your problems"?
As much as I respect and actually like RMS, I think that he may have some pretty serious 2nd-circuit territorial issues. (Of course, Mosbunall individuals seem to have some pretty significant issues in one of the 4 circuits.
Agreed, I rank DA as an author to be respected as much as Robert Anton Wilson, Tim Leary, Antero Alli, Peter Carroll, RU Sirius, Rushkoff, Phillip Dick etc etc... of course, they all pale in comparison with Malaclypse The Younger and Lord Omar K. Ravenhurst.
Hail Eris and the sacred Thursday (The fifth day of the week)
All Hail The Law of Fives!
Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord Chatterer of the Words of Eris Muncher of the ChaoAcorn POEE of The Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal and All Nite Erisian BBQ and Shrine
Well, it seemed clear to me... especially when there were signs, flyers and 3-fold handouts that all stated the details. Not to mention the Blockbuster clerks that state the policy every time you rent a frickin movie.
The problem, I think is not so much Blockbuster as...
Actually, thats not a problem at all... See if we are concerned with our own self defense, then those who don't defend themselves run a greater risk of getting their DNA forcibly removed from the gene pool by any jerk with a gun, knife or baseball bat.
Almost every animal on the planet has some self-denfese abilities... if humans have thought themselves out of defending their own lives, then that's their choice.
n 1921 Congress passed the Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act that created the United States birth "registration" area (see Public Law 97, 67th Congress, Session I, Chapter 135, 1921.) That act allows you to register your children when they are born. If you do so, you will get a copy of the birth certificate. By registering your children, which is voluntary, they become Federal Children. This does several things: Your children become subjects of Congress (they lose their state citizenship). A copy of the birth certificate is sent to the Department of Vital Statistics in the state in which they were born. The original birth certificate is sent to the Department of Commerce in the District of Columbia. It then gets forwarded to an International Monetary Fund (IMF) building in Europe. Your child's future labor and properties are put up as collateral for the public debt.
However, this is not mandatory. If a biorth certificate is not filled out, the child is a citizen of the State only... until they do something else to tie themselves to the state.
It is easy to make the case that citizenship of the state and the nation are separate. But nothing you provided pointed to the idea that we are not all citizens of the nation.
And nothing you have stated has made an argument for anything other than "No it tisn't". Argument Clinics are fun, but pointless.
If you want to post data, evidence, Supreme Court decisions... cool, if you just want to post Nuh-uh then don't bother.
Needing an army and maintaining a standing army are not necessarily a hand in had relationship. The whole point of maintaining a State millitia and allowing all citizens to keep and bear arms was so that ALL American Citizens, in time of need, could serve in an army.
Of course, we were originally intending on keeping our asses on our soil.;-)
which is wy I included the operator "and", along with the small 'l' libretarian term. The "libretarian" view mirrors what was put in place after the revolutionary war. To wit: A "constitutional republic" with territories ruled by a "legislative democracy"
That is what was put in place, that is what we're discussing when we talk about 'l'ibretarian politics. And yes, there were some individuals who held different views, but the Founding Fathers (in what they agreed upon) were very explicit.
The rest of your statements, appear to be a difference of interpertation. I recommed you look at the response I made to earlier posters.
They could send the army to do that. Yes, it would be illegal, but that's beside the point, since we are talking about the government doing illegal things. That's the point. Who would stop them? They COULD do it. And in the 1860s, they did, if you recall (not that I disagree with that decision).
Actually, they 'could' but thats why we have a judicial branch that is seperate from the Administrative branch. This is also why our country was founded with each State expected to maintain a millitia and each resident to bear arms.
y have sufficient power to abuse our rights, and second, because this discussion is not merely about federal power, as states could do the same things.
Indeed, it would be possible for a State to abuse its power. However, since the extent of their power would reach only the boarders of their own state, it would have less impact on the republic as a whole. It also leaves the ultimate responsibility with the citizens, since they can boot out any governer that would act in a way to restrict their freedom. Small government tends to be more controllable from this standpoint.
As for the citizen bit, if you do some research you will find that most americans have one of two citizenships. Firstly, each person is born with the natural citizen of whatever State they are born in. For example I was born a citizen of the State of Ohio. This is sometimes called a de jure Citizen, and describes an individual whose rights are recognized, secured, and protected by the state Constitution against State or federal intrusion, including ones by the Constitution for the United States of America.
The second type of a citizen is known as a 14th amendment citizen, and is legally called a "Citizen of the United States" (The United States is a legal term refering to Federal authority, and is valid in very limited areas.)
From what I've studied (and based on the interpertations of law that I've reviewed) we are born as State Citizens, outside of the jurisdiction of the federal government. However, as soon as accept benefit from the federal government, we make an "adhesion contract" with the federal government. This changes our citizenship from being a "Citizen of Ohio" to a "Citizen of The United States". You are now a taxable entity. (State citizens are not under Federal Tax Code).
State Citizens are bound and protected by the Constitution, like the founding fathers intended. Federal citizens have made further agreements with the federal government and are bound by these contracts.
So, how do you switch citizenship? Its easy: if you have a Social Security Number, receive mail sent to the state of OH (in my case, instead of Oh. or Ohio), receiving mail with ZIP Codes, having FDIC insurance on the money left in a bank, and using Federal Reserve Notes (dollar bills) without protest will all make you a federal citizen.
Check out the Buck Act, which created 50 'new' states each exactly the same size and shape of the 50 old states. These states are named exactly the same thing as the old state, except it's in all caps. Ohio is the State that gave me citizenship when I was born. Today, because I accepted an SSN among other things, I made myself a citizen of OHIO, which is an extension of the District of Columbia.
Let's say that the FBI wants to come search my house because they think that I'm doing something illegal. Their search warrent would specify "DAVID CLYDE WILLIAMSON" (a fictional entity who lives at the same address as David Clyde Williamson), in the State of OHIO (A federal area with the same coordinates as the State of Ohio). They have no jurisdiction over David Clyde Williamson in Ohio. He is protected by the State Constitution, and is considered sovereign based on the Peace Treaty signed at the end of the Revolutionary War which stated that all the land in the former colonies was owned by the people and all of his sovereign powers that he held in the colonies were transferred, to the People of the colonies. This made all
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And thus the point.
Nevermind.
When the average American burys their second child from starvation and they've already eaten the dog... then maybe they'll rise up.
So, if we put together two recent Supreme Court rulings we get:
When it comes to land ownership, the local governments know better than the federal government how to treat your property.
When it comes to medical marijuana, the federal drug czar, and congress know better than the local doctor how to treat your illness.
In short:
We make decisions now, based on the way the wind is blowing, Judge O'Conners tarot readings and Justice Scalia's ever popular divining in the liver of a cow. There used to be this thing called the Constitution, but it has lots of big words and small letters.
They began enforcement in the Tier One companies and are slowly expanding outward to encompass all companies that maintain any cardholder data. You're probably not Tier One.
I think your reality tunnel needs some new lights... you appear to stumble around in the darkness.
Actually, one might consider them evil precisely because they tried to achieve order. The only way that any true Order can be achieved, is to remove the variables that may cause a butterfly effect. One must remove anything that might act in a chaotic fashion or not flow with the accepted standard.
Some may argue that the aneristic illusion that they suffered under, led to the interrment and eventual genocide of any who refused to be Ordered.
Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
Chatterer of the Wrods of Eris
POEE fo The Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal
blasphemy
Known in other reality tunnels as "we get more money if they don't buy jewelry".
Surely you jest?
Are you honestly telling me that you're so completely deluded by your religious dogma that a bit of jewelry in a mans ear offends you? Think about how pathetic that sounds to anyone who actually uses their brain for more than memorizing someone elses beliefs and parroting judgemental statements (while crying "Judge Not!").
I think I would prefer to buy from an honest man wearing a thousand earrings, than a hypocrite spouting the same sort of dogma that leads to inquisitions, witch burnings, jihads and genocide.
Different != Bad
Clothes make the man, Naked people have little or no influence on society.
- Mark Twain
In a public "face of the company" setting, one must consider the possible ramifications of the customer's own bizzare reality tunnel. Therefore, it seems wise to make the "public face" the least contraversial possible.
However, your statement that because someone "violates" local custom in dress or body art, they're more likely to violate work rules seems absurd at best and simple stereotyping at worst. If that's how your brain operates, I'd have nothing to do with your company (and I don't have tats or body jewelry.)
What culture are "we" in then? I would hazzard a guess (based on the past decade of experience in IT) that a large minority of Professionals in the IT "culture" either have tats, piercings or long hair and some sort of facial hair. Most of my experience has been in Ohio, a more conservative area... so I would guess that NYC, LA, ewtc might have a higher precentage of such "culture".
the meaning of life is not "get as much as possible, enjoy as much as possible, and do as little as possible", it is to further the SPECIES.
Jesus H Christ! I can't believe it, for thousands of years mankind has struggled with the answer to the meaning of life, and one of the great Slashdot Sages apparently has had it all along!
"It appears that the 4th circuit is where they get to learn the fine art of slinging poo."
Should read:
"It also appears that the 2nd circuit is where they get to learn the fine art of slinging poo."
or lawsuits for that matter... or ICBM's
For the purpose of this post, lets go with Dr. Leary's 8-circuit consciousness model.
1. The Biosurvival Circuit:
imprinted in infancy. Concerned with sucking, nourishment, cuddling, biosecurity.
2. The Emotional-Territorial Circuit:
imprinted in the toddling stage. Concerned with territorial demands, emotional power tactics, political domination-and-submission strategies.
3. The Semantic Circuit:
imprinted by human artifacts and symbol systems. Concerned with handling the environment, invention, calculation, prediction, building a "map" of the universe.
4. The Sociosexual Circuit:
imprinted by the first orgasm-mating experiences and tribal "morals." Concerned with sexual pleasure, local definitions of "moral" and "immoral", reproduction, nurture of the young.
One may find that the most impassioned of advocates have imprinted heavily during the development of their second circuit.
For apes, the second circuit seems the circuit where they learn to protect their territory. It appears that the 4th circuit is where they get to learn the fine art of slinging poo.
Think of your most obnoxious of Open Source geeks. Then consider the following questions:
Do they consider IT or CS as their "territory"?
Do they further consider Open Source as their "territory"?
Do they defend/promote etc in a way that may be construed as "This IS The Best", "this IS the only real option", "this IS the answer to your problems"?
As much as I respect and actually like RMS, I think that he may have some pretty serious 2nd-circuit territorial issues. (Of course, Mosbunall individuals seem to have some pretty significant issues in one of the 4 circuits.
Or not...
Go out and get the new leather gilt edged one with all five... and Stacie can keep the incomplete set ;-)
Agreed, I rank DA as an author to be respected as much as Robert Anton Wilson, Tim Leary, Antero Alli, Peter Carroll, RU Sirius, Rushkoff, Phillip Dick etc etc... of course, they all pale in comparison with Malaclypse The Younger and Lord Omar K. Ravenhurst.
Hail Eris and the sacred Thursday (The fifth day of the week)
All Hail The Law of Fives!
Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
POEE of The Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal and All Nite Erisian BBQ and Shrine
I'd take the oil and run.
Yay, tax gasoline! Its only $2.30 per gallon, right now and I really want to pay about $5.00 per gallon.
Obviously taxes have fixed so many other things..........
Well, it seemed clear to me... especially when there were signs, flyers and 3-fold handouts that all stated the details. Not to mention the Blockbuster clerks that state the policy every time you rent a frickin movie.
The problem, I think is not so much Blockbuster as...
Stupid Talking Monkeys
?
Actually, thats not a problem at all... See if we are concerned with our own self defense, then those who don't defend themselves run a greater risk of getting their DNA forcibly removed from the gene pool by any jerk with a gun, knife or baseball bat.
Almost every animal on the planet has some self-denfese abilities... if humans have thought themselves out of defending their own lives, then that's their choice.
*claps*
Very good Jhon, you can use google, that must mean you're right.
I already have.
such as?
What you've read is clearly and utterly false.
Based on?
No. As soon as you are born here that happens.
n 1921 Congress passed the Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act that created the United States birth "registration" area (see Public Law 97, 67th Congress, Session I, Chapter 135, 1921.) That act allows you to register your children when they are born. If you do so, you will get a copy of the birth certificate. By registering your children, which is voluntary, they become Federal Children. This does several things: Your children become subjects of Congress (they lose their state citizenship). A copy of the birth certificate is sent to the Department of Vital Statistics in the state in which they were born. The original birth certificate is sent to the Department of Commerce in the District of Columbia. It then gets forwarded to an International Monetary Fund (IMF) building in Europe. Your child's future labor and properties are put up as collateral for the public debt.
However, this is not mandatory. If a biorth certificate is not filled out, the child is a citizen of the State only... until they do something else to tie themselves to the state.
It is easy to make the case that citizenship of the state and the nation are separate. But nothing you provided pointed to the idea that we are not all citizens of the nation.
And nothing you have stated has made an argument for anything other than "No it tisn't". Argument Clinics are fun, but pointless.
If you want to post data, evidence, Supreme Court decisions... cool, if you just want to post Nuh-uh then don't bother.
Needing an army and maintaining a standing army are not necessarily a hand in had relationship. The whole point of maintaining a State millitia and allowing all citizens to keep and bear arms was so that ALL American Citizens, in time of need, could serve in an army.
;-)
Of course, we were originally intending on keeping our asses on our soil.
which is wy I included the operator "and", along with the small 'l' libretarian term. The "libretarian" view mirrors what was put in place after the revolutionary war. To wit: A "constitutional republic" with territories ruled by a "legislative democracy"
That is what was put in place, that is what we're discussing when we talk about 'l'ibretarian politics. And yes, there were some individuals who held different views, but the Founding Fathers (in what they agreed upon) were very explicit.
The rest of your statements, appear to be a difference of interpertation. I recommed you look at the response I made to earlier posters.
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14243 0&cid=11936679
Feel free to comment from this thread.
They could send the army to do that. Yes, it would be illegal, but that's beside the point, since we are talking about the government doing illegal things. That's the point. Who would stop them? They COULD do it. And in the 1860s, they did, if you recall (not that I disagree with that decision).
Actually, they 'could' but thats why we have a judicial branch that is seperate from the Administrative branch. This is also why our country was founded with each State expected to maintain a millitia and each resident to bear arms.
y have sufficient power to abuse our rights, and second, because this discussion is not merely about federal power, as states could do the same things.
Indeed, it would be possible for a State to abuse its power. However, since the extent of their power would reach only the boarders of their own state, it would have less impact on the republic as a whole. It also leaves the ultimate responsibility with the citizens, since they can boot out any governer that would act in a way to restrict their freedom. Small government tends to be more controllable from this standpoint.
As for the citizen bit, if you do some research you will find that most americans have one of two citizenships. Firstly, each person is born with the natural citizen of whatever State they are born in. For example I was born a citizen of the State of Ohio. This is sometimes called a de jure Citizen, and describes an individual whose rights are recognized, secured, and protected by the state Constitution against State or federal intrusion, including ones by the Constitution for the United States of America.
The second type of a citizen is known as a 14th amendment citizen, and is legally called a "Citizen of the United States" (The United States is a legal term refering to Federal authority, and is valid in very limited areas.)
From what I've studied (and based on the interpertations of law that I've reviewed) we are born as State Citizens, outside of the jurisdiction of the federal government. However, as soon as accept benefit from the federal government, we make an "adhesion contract" with the federal government. This changes our citizenship from being a "Citizen of Ohio" to a "Citizen of The United States". You are now a taxable entity. (State citizens are not under Federal Tax Code).
State Citizens are bound and protected by the Constitution, like the founding fathers intended. Federal citizens have made further agreements with the federal government and are bound by these contracts.
So, how do you switch citizenship? Its easy: if you have a Social Security Number, receive mail sent to the state of OH (in my case, instead of Oh. or Ohio), receiving mail with ZIP Codes, having FDIC insurance on the money left in a bank, and using Federal Reserve Notes (dollar bills) without protest will all make you a federal citizen.
Check out the Buck Act, which created 50 'new' states each exactly the same size and shape of the 50 old states. These states are named exactly the same thing as the old state, except it's in all caps. Ohio is the State that gave me citizenship when I was born. Today, because I accepted an SSN among other things, I made myself a citizen of OHIO, which is an extension of the District of Columbia.
Let's say that the FBI wants to come search my house because they think that I'm doing something illegal. Their search warrent would specify "DAVID CLYDE WILLIAMSON" (a fictional entity who lives at the same address as David Clyde Williamson), in the State of OHIO (A federal area with the same coordinates as the State of Ohio). They have no jurisdiction over David Clyde Williamson in Ohio. He is protected by the State Constitution, and is considered sovereign based on the Peace Treaty signed at the end of the Revolutionary War which stated that all the land in the former colonies was owned by the people and all of his sovereign powers that he held in the colonies were transferred, to the People of the colonies. This made all