Afaik msn chat!=the im service, that is, nobody uses the chat(ex-comic chat) anyways.
Yes, I know that. But the article mentioned the IM service as well, so I thought it was appropriate to mention it. And also, Kopete, the KDE messenger, seems to already have support for the msnp9 protocol (I'm using it at the moment, and I'm not getting any upgrade spam from MS).
* New upstream version. (closes: #209021)
- new event system and perl API
- ignores MSN's upgrade spam (new MSN plugin will be in 0.69)
Seems like users of free software are going to survive this time as well (if the new plugin works, that is). Now if only the Jabber servers can fix their transports as well.
Yes, of course. Having the computer always on is ideal for a server. For a workstation, it's all right. For a laptop - yes, but only if it didn't use electricity. True mobile computing is only possible if you can turn your notebook on almost instantly.
Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about the uptimes on my desktop computer, but sometimes I really wish I could be bothered to turn the computer off just to listen to a CD or LP without the damn background noise. However, my computer takes about 30 seconds to get past POST, so I just can't be bothered.
And no, I don't use Windows, except to play games and make "music".
I'm happy with it too, at least now that someone in this thread pointed out that the problem is with ACPI. Having pci=noacpi as a kernel option solves the problem for me.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't know what comes out of the scratching. I recommend Kid Koala as a DJ who knows what he's doing - he even does storytelling on turntables, and he's also a great live performer. He's not the most skilled turntablist, though.
And what's wrong with just screwing around and hoping something comes out? Intentionalism is for romantics and sad losers. You're not hearing what the composers and musicians mean you to hear anyway.
Unfortunately, you can only vote "Fair" or "Unfair". Sometimes a mod is so unfair that it's hilarious. Those should be lauded. Normally, the moderators are just stupid.
Yes, that means you, you stupid git. No, don't touch that button. Get away from there! *Aieeeeee*
No, it's not the USB. It hangs when the PS/2 mouse driver has been initialised (or failed to be), before the keyboard is found. No kernel panic, and the magic SysRq key doesn't work. This is long before the USB modules are loaded. If I compile keyboard as a module, it will hang when that module is loaded.
If it's any help, I have two computers running 2.6.0-test4-mm4, and the desktop has no PS/2 mouse and it doesn't hang on bootup.
Interesting. I think I've tried test4-mm4. Maybe it's an issue only for certain chipsets (VIA in my case). Are you using a USB keyboard? No matter what, I have no problem booting when I use a USB-PS/2 adapter for my mouse. I believe it's a known problem, since I found out how to solve the problem via the mighty Google. Unfortunately, I'm too shy to submit bug reports.
But I just booted 2.6.0-test5-mm1. There's been a bug since test4 (actually included in the test3-mm-series) that is still around. When bootin without a PS/2 mouse, the system hangs, freezes, when probing for keyboard and mouse. I normally use a USB mouse, so this is a bit annoying. The bug isn't fixed yet. Otherwise, the 2.6 kernel seems to be coming along fine.
Why, god. Why is it that an OS must be usable "on the desktop", "by mom", or by "the regular consumers" in order for it to be considered "good"? First we had Linux, and then they mom-ified Linux. Now you want them to mom-ify *BSD too? Fuck that shit!
I don't know. FreeBSD is a fine desktop/workstation OS. I use it on my laptop. However, it's not quite mummified yet (sorry, but we all have to have a reference to '*BSD is dead', don't we?). I recently installed it on my desktop as well, and wantet GDM as a log in manager. That was painful. After I finally got GDM to start at all, and managed to log in, I noticed I was root. This came as a surprise to me, since I had tried to log in as a user. I didn't bother too much with it, and installed KDM instead. It worked.
FreeBSD might or might not work for the regular consumer, as a desktop OS. It doesn't rot away from normal use, like Windows does. But the ports and packages aren't necessarily working correctly, might need tweaking and so on. A FreeBSD install that has been set up by a knowledgeable nerd for its intended use should work fine, even for a mummy.
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Back in the olden days, the 'best' search engine used to change now and then. I think I started with Alta Vista, went over to Excite, then AllTheWeb, which had some of the same ideas that made Google popular: fast, good and without making your eyes bleed from all the commercials. It's crap these days, though (just tried searching for an article I wrote, and it couldn't find it at all. Google ranks it as #1 for that language:-)
I also used InfoSeek, which seems to be powered by Google these days, only with a lot of crap on the front page. Can't se a reason to use that.
The analogy breaks right there. Your friend didn't go around trying lots of doors to see which ones were open. Your friend, upon finding one that was open, didn't go in and wander around.
Exactly (although he did go in and wander a bit). My point being, there are certain grey areas, but most people will agree where the lines between grey and black are. He was definately trespassing, but that was the best way to find a phone (and phone number). And he found the door open purely by accident - he most certainly didn't break in. Using nmap on a large netblock is hardly an accident, neither is willfully sending GET/default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNN[...] requests to an unpatched IIS (no that's probably not what Lamo did, but it's one of the few exploits I know).
After drinking heavily in a bar, a friend of mine and I bought some slices of pizza at a shop, and went outside to eat. Since we were too drunk to stand up, we sat down on the steps outside another shop, which was closed for the night. That is, it should have been. My friend was leaning his back on the door, which was open. He fell right in.
Now, the right thing to do, according to you, would be to go away, minding his own business. And what the hell was he doing, trespassing on the steps outside the shop and all. If this was in Texas, he would be rightfully shot. However, my friend, being both an imbecile and a crook with neither morals, nor respect for private property, went inside to look for a telephone and hopefully the phone number to the owner (we were both too tired to do any serious looting). And so the owner was noticed and the door was closed, and my friend got a serious hangover.
The moral of this story is: if you drink, you get a hangover, so alchohol is bad, 'mkay?
Should governments (ANY government) directly fund the development of an OS? (Or for that matter, any application that will compete with commercial providers).
Why not? An OS is part of the infrastructure, and I think governments have a responsibility to create and maintain good infrastructure for their citizens. The failure of commercial providers to maintain good infrastructure is a good enough reason to demand government support for such a project.
No, Bill Gates didn't call it unfair. One of his evil henchmen did. Remember, Bill Gates is a pretty intelligent person; stating that developing an alternative to their insecure monopoly is unfair, is extremely stupid. However, with the current US administration, it's a good FUD tactic. I don't think anyone trusts the US to play fair these days, so maybe the thought of US sanctions could scare someone? Nah! This is probably propaganda for people working at MS, to strengthen the belief that anyone who tries to compete against them is playing unfair and deserves to get crushed.
It's just a beta! The real text (voiceover) is as follows:
If Linux were a penguin, it would be growing, fast. Taught by the best. Gaining wisdom between its ears. And sharing. It would be in business, education, government and homes. It would be a nine-year-old penguin chasing the world. So be afraid. Be very afraid.
The video will be showing the little kid getting slapped around the head by a 2 meter tall penguin.
FreeBSD 5.x has started to compromise speed and cleanliness in exchange for advanced features like USB keyboards and mice with button wheels.
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We may ultimately add some of the features 5.x introduces, such as audio,...
Oh, come on, moderators! Is it so hard to spot a troll? Well, congrats to Mr. Anonymous Coward for his +2, informative for this brilliantly crafted drivel. It was actually fun to read, too.
Apart from the reasons stated by some other guy, I think it's nice having stuff that gets changed a lot (/tmp,/var) on different partitions. That way, I can make sure those changes don't interfer with and fragment more important file systems. And why not make / read only for security reasons? You definately don't want a read only/var. And probably not/usr if you run FreeBSD (updating ports frequently, but having base locked down until you need a security update or upgrade).
Heh, sorry. I've got a terrible flu. It's a mistake I normally wouldn't do, since English is only my second language (I think it's easier to make that kind of mistake for someone who learnt English speech before writing -- take for instance all those who write 'Here, here!' when they obviously mean 'Hear, hear!'; those words, like 'through' and 'threw' are pronounced very differently in my native language (Norwegian)).
I was a cook in the army. That's something else, of course. If something fell on the floor, it went to the Officers' Mess (pun not intended, although it could have been). Some of those morons actually believed they got finer food than the lowly foot soldiers, since they, after all, were Officers. Actually, the food was far better in the army than it was at home (and better than it is in your home, too!), so we never had any complaints. And if we spilled soup, we through it away. Yes, we showed the officers some respect.
There is only one problem: my friends does not understand why they should use Jabber instead of installing the real MSN-client on their computers. They know all about Free Software bla blah blah (I speak about it all the time), they just don't care because it's much easier for them to install and configue MSN.
I know. As long as MSN works, why switch to another client? Well, the only answer I know is this: It doesn't work for everyone anymore. I don't expect to have a working MSN client for Linux or other alternative OSes soon. If any of my MSN-using friends need to keep in touch with me by IM, they'll have to use Jabber or ICQ (and there's no reason to use ICQ now, it sucks painfully compared to MSN or Jabber. Just try to remember your contact list when you accidentally deleted it, for instance.). I expect at least one of them to start using Jabber, because he sometimes needs help with Linux, and I'm often able to help.
I think I started using Jabber because I expected something like this from Microsoft. ICQ had already done it earlier: changed the protocol to force users to switch to a more bloated and ad-infested client. Unfortunately, MS is much more experienced in user lock-in than any other company, and they have a larger user base than ICQ ever had.
And so should you do. It's just as easy to deal with as MS Messenger, it works on many platforms, and it's free. Now you see why free as in Microsoft gives it away is not free as in free.
I recommend Psi for both Linux and Windows, but I'm sure there are other clients that are just as good.
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Yes, I know that. But the article mentioned the IM service as well, so I thought it was appropriate to mention it. And also, Kopete, the KDE messenger, seems to already have support for the msnp9 protocol (I'm using it at the moment, and I'm not getting any upgrade spam from MS).
Yes, of course. Having the computer always on is ideal for a server. For a workstation, it's all right. For a laptop - yes, but only if it didn't use electricity. True mobile computing is only possible if you can turn your notebook on almost instantly.
Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about the uptimes on my desktop computer, but sometimes I really wish I could be bothered to turn the computer off just to listen to a CD or LP without the damn background noise. However, my computer takes about 30 seconds to get past POST, so I just can't be bothered.
And no, I don't use Windows, except to play games and make "music".
I'm happy with it too, at least now that someone in this thread pointed out that the problem is with ACPI. Having pci=noacpi as a kernel option solves the problem for me.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't know what comes out of the scratching. I recommend Kid Koala as a DJ who knows what he's doing - he even does storytelling on turntables, and he's also a great live performer. He's not the most skilled turntablist, though.
And what's wrong with just screwing around and hoping something comes out? Intentionalism is for romantics and sad losers. You're not hearing what the composers and musicians mean you to hear anyway.
Thanks. I'll try that the next time I reboot.
Unfortunately, you can only vote "Fair" or "Unfair". Sometimes a mod is so unfair that it's hilarious. Those should be lauded. Normally, the moderators are just stupid.
Yes, that means you, you stupid git. No, don't touch that button. Get away from there! *Aieeeeee*
Browse at -1 to read this comment.
No, it's not the USB. It hangs when the PS/2 mouse driver has been initialised (or failed to be), before the keyboard is found. No kernel panic, and the magic SysRq key doesn't work. This is long before the USB modules are loaded. If I compile keyboard as a module, it will hang when that module is loaded.
Interesting. I think I've tried test4-mm4. Maybe it's an issue only for certain chipsets (VIA in my case). Are you using a USB keyboard? No matter what, I have no problem booting when I use a USB-PS/2 adapter for my mouse. I believe it's a known problem, since I found out how to solve the problem via the mighty Google. Unfortunately, I'm too shy to submit bug reports.
But I just booted 2.6.0-test5-mm1. There's been a bug since test4 (actually included in the test3-mm-series) that is still around. When bootin without a PS/2 mouse, the system hangs, freezes, when probing for keyboard and mouse. I normally use a USB mouse, so this is a bit annoying. The bug isn't fixed yet. Otherwise, the 2.6 kernel seems to be coming along fine.
261 major P2P offenders, averaging on 1000 copyrighted files. That's equivalent of 261000 swappers, sharing one file each, or, with RIAA Math(TM), 2610000 swappers, sharing 0 files each.
I don't know. FreeBSD is a fine desktop/workstation OS. I use it on my laptop. However, it's not quite mummified yet (sorry, but we all have to have a reference to '*BSD is dead', don't we?). I recently installed it on my desktop as well, and wantet GDM as a log in manager. That was painful. After I finally got GDM to start at all, and managed to log in, I noticed I was root. This came as a surprise to me, since I had tried to log in as a user. I didn't bother too much with it, and installed KDM instead. It worked.
FreeBSD might or might not work for the regular consumer, as a desktop OS. It doesn't rot away from normal use, like Windows does. But the ports and packages aren't necessarily working correctly, might need tweaking and so on. A FreeBSD install that has been set up by a knowledgeable nerd for its intended use should work fine, even for a mummy.
Back in the olden days, the 'best' search engine used to change now and then. I think I started with Alta Vista, went over to Excite, then AllTheWeb, which had some of the same ideas that made Google popular: fast, good and without making your eyes bleed from all the commercials. It's crap these days, though (just tried searching for an article I wrote, and it couldn't find it at all. Google ranks it as #1 for that language :-)
I also used InfoSeek, which seems to be powered by Google these days, only with a lot of crap on the front page. Can't se a reason to use that.
Exactly (although he did go in and wander a bit). My point being, there are certain grey areas, but most people will agree where the lines between grey and black are. He was definately trespassing, but that was the best way to find a phone (and phone number). And he found the door open purely by accident - he most certainly didn't break in. Using nmap on a large netblock is hardly an accident, neither is willfully sending GET
An interesting analogy.
After drinking heavily in a bar, a friend of mine and I bought some slices of pizza at a shop, and went outside to eat. Since we were too drunk to stand up, we sat down on the steps outside another shop, which was closed for the night. That is, it should have been. My friend was leaning his back on the door, which was open. He fell right in.
Now, the right thing to do, according to you, would be to go away, minding his own business. And what the hell was he doing, trespassing on the steps outside the shop and all. If this was in Texas, he would be rightfully shot. However, my friend, being both an imbecile and a crook with neither morals, nor respect for private property, went inside to look for a telephone and hopefully the phone number to the owner (we were both too tired to do any serious looting). And so the owner was noticed and the door was closed, and my friend got a serious hangover.
The moral of this story is: if you drink, you get a hangover, so alchohol is bad, 'mkay?
Why not? An OS is part of the infrastructure, and I think governments have a responsibility to create and maintain good infrastructure for their citizens. The failure of commercial providers to maintain good infrastructure is a good enough reason to demand government support for such a project.
No, Bill Gates didn't call it unfair. One of his evil henchmen did. Remember, Bill Gates is a pretty intelligent person; stating that developing an alternative to their insecure monopoly is unfair, is extremely stupid. However, with the current US administration, it's a good FUD tactic. I don't think anyone trusts the US to play fair these days, so maybe the thought of US sanctions could scare someone? Nah! This is probably propaganda for people working at MS, to strengthen the belief that anyone who tries to compete against them is playing unfair and deserves to get crushed.
It's just a beta! The real text (voiceover) is as follows:
If Linux were a penguin, it would be growing, fast. Taught by the best. Gaining wisdom between its ears. And sharing. It would be in business, education, government and homes. It would be a nine-year-old penguin chasing the world. So be afraid. Be very afraid.
The video will be showing the little kid getting slapped around the head by a 2 meter tall penguin.
Oh, come on, moderators! Is it so hard to spot a troll? Well, congrats to Mr. Anonymous Coward for his +2, informative for this brilliantly crafted drivel. It was actually fun to read, too.
Apart from the reasons stated by some other guy, I think it's nice having stuff that gets changed a lot (/tmp, /var) on different partitions. That way, I can make sure those changes don't interfer with and fragment more important file systems. And why not make / read only for security reasons? You definately don't want a read only /var. And probably not /usr if you run FreeBSD (updating ports frequently, but having base locked down until you need a security update or upgrade).
Heh, sorry. I've got a terrible flu. It's a mistake I normally wouldn't do, since English is only my second language (I think it's easier to make that kind of mistake for someone who learnt English speech before writing -- take for instance all those who write 'Here, here!' when they obviously mean 'Hear, hear!'; those words, like 'through' and 'threw' are pronounced very differently in my native language (Norwegian)).
I was a cook in the army. That's something else, of course. If something fell on the floor, it went to the Officers' Mess (pun not intended, although it could have been). Some of those morons actually believed they got finer food than the lowly foot soldiers, since they, after all, were Officers. Actually, the food was far better in the army than it was at home (and better than it is in your home, too!), so we never had any complaints. And if we spilled soup, we through it away. Yes, we showed the officers some respect.
...or Billy, get your goat before you walk through that door.
Allright, I'm going back to bed now. Shouldn't post to Slashdot while having fever.
I know. As long as MSN works, why switch to another client? Well, the only answer I know is this: It doesn't work for everyone anymore. I don't expect to have a working MSN client for Linux or other alternative OSes soon. If any of my MSN-using friends need to keep in touch with me by IM, they'll have to use Jabber or ICQ (and there's no reason to use ICQ now, it sucks painfully compared to MSN or Jabber. Just try to remember your contact list when you accidentally deleted it, for instance.). I expect at least one of them to start using Jabber, because he sometimes needs help with Linux, and I'm often able to help.
I think I started using Jabber because I expected something like this from Microsoft. ICQ had already done it earlier: changed the protocol to force users to switch to a more bloated and ad-infested client. Unfortunately, MS is much more experienced in user lock-in than any other company, and they have a larger user base than ICQ ever had.
And so should you do. It's just as easy to deal with as MS Messenger, it works on many platforms, and it's free. Now you see why free as in Microsoft gives it away is not free as in free.
I recommend Psi for both Linux and Windows, but I'm sure there are other clients that are just as good.