Percentages work with CSS just as they do with tables.
True, but that wasn't the point.
The point is that a table is always rendered as a table (which is what I want) while CSS divs are overlapping and don't grow with font sizes. They are fixed (no matter if they are fixed to a number of pixels or a percentage and not flexible.
I'm quite happy using CSS
Me too, but I don't and will not (any more) use it for layouting.
Usually this leads to poor structure, like using tables for layout. See why using tables for layout is stupid.
I've already heard it so often, I can't stand it anymore how table layout is sooo bad and CSS-layout is so much better.
There was a time (stupid me) when I actually believed it and I tried hard, really hard, to implement it, but CSS-layout just doesn't work very well
At least in my opinion, the biggest advantage of html is that you don't have to care about micromanaging every stupid detail.
That means, when I make a table with 2 columns, it works in all resolutions, in all font sizes, in all languages (text takes a different amount of space in a different language) and most importantly, it does never overlap.
With CSS, you usually have to deal with pixels and as soon as you want to translate your website into another language your whole website falls apart and/or it's fixed to a specific resolution.
To see what I mean, just visit CSS zen garden. Except for the homepage layout and maybe half a dozen others, all layouts are fixed to 800 pixel width.
Also you can make almost every layout break down by increasing the font size.
I like CSS very much, but not for layouting.
Table-layouting is simple and it works. And most importantly it defaults to a sane state in which the browser tries to display it well.
I can't recall any website that I've been to in Firefox that didn't let me in because I wasn't using IE.
Yeah, IE-only sites are slowly getting extinct. However there is still one left: http://weightwatchers.com
If you send an email to tech support, they will tell you they support Netscape 6, but not Firefox (yes, they don't seem to care about NS6 and FF being essentially the same, obviously) but will send you a link to avoid the browser-lock.
Just for fun I send them an email about once per month with something like "Excuse me, I use Firefox and you sent me a link to get on your site and I lost it, could you pleeease resend it". Maybe when they will get enough emails they will finally realize that NS6 and FF is really the same and their browser-detection is useless?
So he had a problem with ALSA and some sound-chipset (probably that 97-something). Oh and the problem was that he couldn't play 2 sounds at once. (The horror!)
So instead of purchasing a $10 audio card (which will work on Linux) he gets an iMac.
There is a huge double-standard going on when it's about Linux and MacOSX:
Both Linux and MacOSX will run fine on supported hardware but Linux supports a lot more hardware. How exactly does that make MacOSX better?
Guess what? "A good GUI" isn't on the list because KDE is a very good GUI and has been for several years.
Of course "A good GUI" won't automagically let you run AutoCAD, it won't let you use hardware for which there is no driver. And most importantly the smart kid down the street who supports the whole neighbourhood won't automagically know a new underlying system.
So quit it. KDE is a great GUI and a lot better than MacOSX (and of course Windows) in many aspects. But for a desktop you may need more than a "good GUI".
But creating HTML is a procedural task. You may argue that you can do it "cleaner" in a OO-way, but then you have a performance penalty. (For example if you have a quite long database query in a page you can deliver half of it procedurally while you would have to wait if you do it the OO-way)
That's why I always fell back to PHP, even though I really like Java.
In the movies and TV shows, all aliens have pretty much the same brainpower. That's just unrealistic.
Well, we are also supposed to believe that all humans have pretty much the same brainpower on earth.
So it's about political correctness, remember the accusations because Jar Jar was a little clumsy and not-that-smart? Imagine the witchhunt if differences in intelligence would appear between alien species and humans.
Jump scrollbars (instead of the search-and-drag method in Windows/MacOS)
Push windows to the background
use application-specific behaviour because in Unix 3 mouse buttons are the standard and applications use them. The only reason your Firefox on MacOSX works with the MMB is because it is a cross-platform application with strong Unix-roots. So if you like it in your browser... Well I like it in ALL applications.
With Ctrl+LMB I can grab a window anywhere, not just the frame.
With Ctrl+RMB I can resize a window near the edge, I don't need to search for the narrow edge.
Yes, these are all things that are useful in day-to-day work after months if not years of experience. That's why all the so-called "usability tests" which only measure the first 30 minutes of experience and ignore any long-term usability, consider all that useless.
how do you use yours, other than for pasting text you've highlighted? (I absolutely HATE HATE HATE that behavior in X11, by the way.)
Why, because it's not the "Apple"-way of doing things?
KDE also has a MacOS-style clipboard, if you only use that clipboard you will never know that there is another.
I installed KDE/Linux quite some time ago on a Powerbook because I wanted a silent laptop and still have multiple desktops and real 3-button mouse support. (Not that half-assed 2-button support in MacOSX)
Also I don't like the MacOSX userinterface (too many animations and some of them can't be turned off, just too many eye-candy that gets into the way) and I don't need Photoshop.
So why the hell should I run MacOSX? What does it offer? It only annoys me.
According to your logic, Microsoft must be very incompetent because they have been infected numerous times including by MSBlaster and that MS-SQL worm.
But hey, I think you are actually right on this. MS is pretty incompetent, just look at IE compared to any other browser, look at how they work on Longhorn for years and all interesting features are dropped, look at how much XBox loses them money...
We all have issues with MS, but this time it isn't directly their fault.
Huh?
So Microsoft, the "wannabe" internet company is too incompetent to run their servers themselves. Yes, it's not "directly" their fault when something goes wrong.
Actually it doesn't matter wether something goes wrong or not, the pure fact that they outsource their servers is a sign of pure incompetence.
They risk losing their cult of fanbois over this. Is that really all they have??
You got it all wrong, you should ask yourself what they have to GAIN by producing ONLY DRM-chips, ie by stopping to produce non-DRM chips.
I'm quite sorry, but I don't see any gain here, so even if it's just a cult of fanboys, a loss is still a loss and if there is no gain to make up for it, it's a loss overall.
In addition to this, imagine that in about 2 years we have a majority of PNG-capable browsers (IE7, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror; pretty much everybody except IE5+6) and you want to use transparent PNGs.
Will you write:
If you run WinXP Service Pack 2, download IE7, if you run WinXP with an earlier version download Firefox, if you run Win2K or Win98, download Firefox and if you run MacOSX or Linux download Firefox.
If this isn't more blatant abuse of their monopoly on the desktop, [..]
If anything, this isn't abuse of any monopoly, it's merely a sign of incompetence and also a sign of the unmaintainability of the IE-codebase.
BTW, all over the world the courts have been smart enough to use the term "domination", only the US-courts were so stupid to use the term "monopoly".
When ever you use the word "monopoly" in connection with Microsoft you look like a crazy zealot, "domination" describes the situation much more accurately.
AFAIK VIA isn't part of the group - and they produce x86 chips.
Also just because they are part of the group doesn't mean they won't offer non-DRM chips. It's just too much money involved here. AMD has nothing to win but a lot to lose by producing only DRM chips.
1. Despite their using OpenOffice, their standard file format is still MS Office-compatible at least for word processing. Further, interoperability with the school division and the rest of the world dictates that.doc, xls, ppt and friends are all still their standard formats, despite using open office.
Well the fact is they have fewer problems with OpenOffice than they had with MS Office with that formats.
Also they say that the ppt-viewer is a temporary solution and teachers should create new presentations with OO's format.
At this point their number one costs are hardware. If MS steps in and helps out in that area, providing extremely discounted hardware deals though MS-friendly distributors, the cost factor does not have anything to do with software cost at this point.
Nonsense. The only way MS is going to reduce the prices is if they pour some money into it themselves.
My main point is that MS will not sit by and let these kinds of things happen.
Such schools are just too small and too numerous. There are literally millions of such schools in the world and a couple of thousand will be checking out Linux.
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True, but that wasn't the point.
The point is that a table is always rendered as a table (which is what I want) while CSS divs are overlapping and don't grow with font sizes. They are fixed (no matter if they are fixed to a number of pixels or a percentage and not flexible.
I'm quite happy using CSS
Me too, but I don't and will not (any more) use it for layouting.
I've already heard it so often, I can't stand it anymore how table layout is sooo bad and CSS-layout is so much better.
There was a time (stupid me) when I actually believed it and I tried hard, really hard, to implement it, but CSS-layout just doesn't work very well
At least in my opinion, the biggest advantage of html is that you don't have to care about micromanaging every stupid detail.
That means, when I make a table with 2 columns, it works in all resolutions, in all font sizes, in all languages (text takes a different amount of space in a different language) and most importantly, it does never overlap.
With CSS, you usually have to deal with pixels and as soon as you want to translate your website into another language your whole website falls apart and/or it's fixed to a specific resolution.
To see what I mean, just visit CSS zen garden. Except for the homepage layout and maybe half a dozen others, all layouts are fixed to 800 pixel width.
Also you can make almost every layout break down by increasing the font size.
I like CSS very much, but not for layouting.
Table-layouting is simple and it works. And most importantly it defaults to a sane state in which the browser tries to display it well.
Actually iTunes shows that there is a market for pseudo DRM-protected and de-facto unprotected IP-goods.
AFAIK you don't even need 3rd party software to burn it (and removing all DRM protection by doing so) on a CD.
No, this is NOT good business sense. They pay too much for what they get and the competitors' OSes aren't crippled at all.
Yeah, IE-only sites are slowly getting extinct. However there is still one left: http://weightwatchers.com
If you send an email to tech support, they will tell you they support Netscape 6, but not Firefox (yes, they don't seem to care about NS6 and FF being essentially the same, obviously) but will send you a link to avoid the browser-lock.
Just for fun I send them an email about once per month with something like "Excuse me, I use Firefox and you sent me a link to get on your site and I lost it, could you pleeease resend it". Maybe when they will get enough emails they will finally realize that NS6 and FF is really the same and their browser-detection is useless?
(Why don't you send an email, too?)
So instead of purchasing a $10 audio card (which will work on Linux) he gets an iMac.
There is a huge double-standard going on when it's about Linux and MacOSX:
Both Linux and MacOSX will run fine on supported hardware but Linux supports a lot more hardware. How exactly does that make MacOSX better?
Of course we all know that isn't true.
Longhorn will also drop the "My" prefixes, so please don't spread such FUD.
Yeah, I know it's supposed to be funny, but anyway, I'm sick of that prejudice.
Yes, Linux isn't ready for everybody's desktop. But that is because of
Guess what? "A good GUI" isn't on the list because KDE is a very good GUI and has been for several years.
Of course "A good GUI" won't automagically let you run AutoCAD, it won't let you use hardware for which there is no driver. And most importantly the smart kid down the street who supports the whole neighbourhood won't automagically know a new underlying system.
So quit it. KDE is a great GUI and a lot better than MacOSX (and of course Windows) in many aspects. But for a desktop you may need more than a "good GUI".
But creating HTML is a procedural task. You may argue that you can do it "cleaner" in a OO-way, but then you have a performance penalty. (For example if you have a quite long database query in a page you can deliver half of it procedurally while you would have to wait if you do it the OO-way)
That's why I always fell back to PHP, even though I really like Java.
Well, we are also supposed to believe that all humans have pretty much the same brainpower on earth.
So it's about political correctness, remember the accusations because Jar Jar was a little clumsy and not-that-smart? Imagine the witchhunt if differences in intelligence would appear between alien species and humans.
With my MMB I can:
With Ctrl+LMB I can grab a window anywhere, not just the frame.
With Ctrl+RMB I can resize a window near the edge, I don't need to search for the narrow edge.
Yes, these are all things that are useful in day-to-day work after months if not years of experience. That's why all the so-called "usability tests" which only measure the first 30 minutes of experience and ignore any long-term usability, consider all that useless.
how do you use yours, other than for pasting text you've highlighted? (I absolutely HATE HATE HATE that behavior in X11, by the way.)
Why, because it's not the "Apple"-way of doing things?
KDE also has a MacOS-style clipboard, if you only use that clipboard you will never know that there is another.
You say it's "completely useless" because you have to wait 15 minutes when a kernel is released.
And this is modded "insightful".
Also I don't like the MacOSX userinterface (too many animations and some of them can't be turned off, just too many eye-candy that gets into the way) and I don't need Photoshop.
So why the hell should I run MacOSX? What does it offer? It only annoys me.
But hey, I think you are actually right on this. MS is pretty incompetent, just look at IE compared to any other browser, look at how they work on Longhorn for years and all interesting features are dropped, look at how much XBox loses them money...
About the whole "accountability" thing, it's quite funny because Microsoft explicitly waives all accountability in their EULA.
Huh?
So Microsoft, the "wannabe" internet company is too incompetent to run their servers themselves. Yes, it's not "directly" their fault when something goes wrong.
Actually it doesn't matter wether something goes wrong or not, the pure fact that they outsource their servers is a sign of pure incompetence.
Well, that's just not the Windows-way to do things. In Windows-land every backup-tool in existance will back up the whole hard drive.
Of course everybody with a clue knows that this is inefficient and insecure.
Everybody without a clue doesn't know any alternatives anyway...
Oh, the old MS-apologist's "but everybody's doing it" excuse.
Guess what, nobody really cares what VMS does and if MS does it with Windows, a lot of people will be quite angry anyway.
You still don't get it, I was asking for a gain. DRM is either hated or ignored, nobody really likes it.
You got it all wrong, you should ask yourself what they have to GAIN by producing ONLY DRM-chips, ie by stopping to produce non-DRM chips.
I'm quite sorry, but I don't see any gain here, so even if it's just a cult of fanboys, a loss is still a loss and if there is no gain to make up for it, it's a loss overall.
In addition to this, imagine that in about 2 years we have a majority of PNG-capable browsers (IE7, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror; pretty much everybody except IE5+6) and you want to use transparent PNGs.
Will you write:
If you run WinXP Service Pack 2, download IE7, if you run WinXP with an earlier version download Firefox, if you run Win2K or Win98, download Firefox and if you run MacOSX or Linux download Firefox.
or will you just write:
Download Firefox
Firefox works everywhere.
If anything, this isn't abuse of any monopoly, it's merely a sign of incompetence and also a sign of the unmaintainability of the IE-codebase.
BTW, all over the world the courts have been smart enough to use the term "domination", only the US-courts were so stupid to use the term "monopoly".
When ever you use the word "monopoly" in connection with Microsoft you look like a crazy zealot, "domination" describes the situation much more accurately.
Also just because they are part of the group doesn't mean they won't offer non-DRM chips. It's just too much money involved here. AMD has nothing to win but a lot to lose by producing only DRM chips.
True, however nobody can deny that there is a market for non-DRM chips, so some vendor is going to fill that market.
Well the fact is they have fewer problems with OpenOffice than they had with MS Office with that formats.
Also they say that the ppt-viewer is a temporary solution and teachers should create new presentations with OO's format.
At this point their number one costs are hardware. If MS steps in and helps out in that area, providing extremely discounted hardware deals though MS-friendly distributors, the cost factor does not have anything to do with software cost at this point.
Nonsense. The only way MS is going to reduce the prices is if they pour some money into it themselves.
My main point is that MS will not sit by and let these kinds of things happen.
Such schools are just too small and too numerous. There are literally millions of such schools in the world and a couple of thousand will be checking out Linux.