Doubt large law firms will move towards it, the same way other types of large companies tend to be resistant to FOSS. If your client has $100 million riding on a case, do you really want to use something new and unproven without a robust support system?
"They (government, society in general) need to blame all of this on the poor, underpriveleged blacks, chavs, or whatever they want to call them, you see."
I'm not up on the UK lingo, but I thought chavs WERE middle class whites with little education but a fair amount of disposable income?
It's interesting, Nintendo fanboys and Apple fanboys are neck and neck when it comes to the most annoying people on the planet; I wonder how much overlap there is between these groups, and if so what happens when the two objects of your mindless worship compete with each other?
To be licensed in almost every state you need a JD or LLB from an ABA-accredited school. There are maybe 3 or 4 states at most that let you practice just with the bar.
Here's the kicker: Percentage of Graduates Employed is only 78.8%, meaning you are roughly twice as likely as the average person in this country to be unemployed after having graduated from their program! But the median of all their useless metrics puts them at number one, because their ranking system gives equal weight to Library Seating Capacity as Percentage of Graduates Employed.
I can guarantee you that this number is vastly, dramatically, overstated, and includes graduates working at Applebee's and Jiffy Lube. I would not be surprised if the true employment rate in terms of graduates working full-time in white collar jobs, law or otherwise, is probably around 25% at most.
Good point, but that's done after the person spends all this time and money getting their JD. If the ABA was ethical it would set a minimum LSAT needed to get in to law school.
Yep, they don't get translated very well because you have unemployed 21 year olds with no credit rating being given 200k in government subsidized loans.
Alright, not "anyone," but definitely any reasonably intelligence college graduate who knows nothing about the law. The bar prep books have all the info needed.
A lot of prospective law students have an overwhelming sense of confidence -- "I'm going to make top 10%, I'm going to get into an elite law firm, I'm going to have no problem passing the bar," etc., even if they have been unsuccessful in their previous academic career and only could get into a Cooley or similar school. It's a sense of infallibility that frequently wears off by the third year, leaving people freaked out and finally (after incurring 200k in debt) realistic. A 50% bar passage rate should be a warning flag (passing the bar is not that difficult; I could train anyone here to pass it in 3 months of full-time study, even if they never went to law school), it reflects more on the caliber of students than the education they receive there.
The law school community is not full of Michael Jordans. There is a minimum level of academic achievement you should have to practice law, and Cooley lowers the bar. Medical schools have an absolute minimum of who they will accept, and if you don't make it you will not get into any med schools, not even Caribbean ones. Law schools don't have that; there is always a horrible school that will accept your tuition check.
There are some schools that are so bad that going to them reflects poorly on your judgment, and would preclude me from hiring you unless you had developed a reputation over many years as a great trial lawyer.
As a little background, Cooley is ranked by US News and World Report as one of the worst law schools in the country; it's reputation among lawyers is pretty much the same, I believe. I've read the lawsuit and actually they probably have a decent case against 3 of the 4 defendants if the statements they made were true (very specific statements about them being under investigation, for example, are not protected as opinion). As for hurting their reputation, in my opinion their reputation is sufficiently bad that this lawsuit isn't really going to make it any worse.
Kind of a funny side note, Cooley doesn't like that reputation so they created their own rankings system using supposedly "objective" standards where they ranked themselves #2, or ahead of every other law school in the country (including Yale, which is generally considered to be the best, noticeably outranking even Harvard). The standards they picked, of course, are ones that will rank them highly even though they don't really have anything to do with academic excellence (number of students, number of books in the library, number of seats in the library (seriously), total area of the law school).
It was not "proven false". The guy did some preliminary studies of it and concluded it was different. Those who had originally contacted him did not choose to pursue the matter for the type of study that would be needed to prove things conclusively.
Because they knew it would be proven false.
I do not know that Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father", what I do know is that Obama did not.
And how do you know this?
As to launching his political career at the Ayers' home, you are saying that he launched it somewhere else. OK, where? Where did Obama first anounce that he was going to run for the State Senate of Illinois? According to everything I have seen, it was at the Ayers' home. You are claiming that it was somewhere else. Where was that?
Everything you've seen has been sold to you by the nutjob right. Ayers himself notes that his house was only one of probably about 20 that Obama visited that night. Other sources corroborate that. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442902
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Most law firms do not have professional-grade coders working for them.
I don't get it; you're saying it's fundamentally immoral for a company to use FOSS?
Doubt large law firms will move towards it, the same way other types of large companies tend to be resistant to FOSS. If your client has $100 million riding on a case, do you really want to use something new and unproven without a robust support system?
That doesn't make sense, Slashdot is anti-union.
"They (government, society in general) need to blame all of this on the poor, underpriveleged blacks, chavs, or whatever they want to call them, you see." I'm not up on the UK lingo, but I thought chavs WERE middle class whites with little education but a fair amount of disposable income?
Because touchscreen games are annoying?
It's interesting, Nintendo fanboys and Apple fanboys are neck and neck when it comes to the most annoying people on the planet; I wonder how much overlap there is between these groups, and if so what happens when the two objects of your mindless worship compete with each other?
Unlike Mayan archeology, however, to practice law you need to pass a standardized test.
I wouldn't get mad at Apple
Yes, we know.
Rehearing en banc is routinely rejected. I bet the full court won't even hear it.
To be licensed in almost every state you need a JD or LLB from an ABA-accredited school. There are maybe 3 or 4 states at most that let you practice just with the bar.
Here's the kicker: Percentage of Graduates Employed is only 78.8%, meaning you are roughly twice as likely as the average person in this country to be unemployed after having graduated from their program! But the median of all their useless metrics puts them at number one, because their ranking system gives equal weight to Library Seating Capacity as Percentage of Graduates Employed.
I can guarantee you that this number is vastly, dramatically, overstated, and includes graduates working at Applebee's and Jiffy Lube. I would not be surprised if the true employment rate in terms of graduates working full-time in white collar jobs, law or otherwise, is probably around 25% at most.
Good point, but that's done after the person spends all this time and money getting their JD. If the ABA was ethical it would set a minimum LSAT needed to get in to law school.
Yep, they don't get translated very well because you have unemployed 21 year olds with no credit rating being given 200k in government subsidized loans.
Alright, not "anyone," but definitely any reasonably intelligence college graduate who knows nothing about the law. The bar prep books have all the info needed.
A lot of prospective law students have an overwhelming sense of confidence -- "I'm going to make top 10%, I'm going to get into an elite law firm, I'm going to have no problem passing the bar," etc., even if they have been unsuccessful in their previous academic career and only could get into a Cooley or similar school. It's a sense of infallibility that frequently wears off by the third year, leaving people freaked out and finally (after incurring 200k in debt) realistic. A 50% bar passage rate should be a warning flag (passing the bar is not that difficult; I could train anyone here to pass it in 3 months of full-time study, even if they never went to law school), it reflects more on the caliber of students than the education they receive there.
The law school community is not full of Michael Jordans. There is a minimum level of academic achievement you should have to practice law, and Cooley lowers the bar. Medical schools have an absolute minimum of who they will accept, and if you don't make it you will not get into any med schools, not even Caribbean ones. Law schools don't have that; there is always a horrible school that will accept your tuition check.
They'll be back on the bar scene in 3 years, unemployable with $200k in debt. You should buy them a few drinks.
There are some schools that are so bad that going to them reflects poorly on your judgment, and would preclude me from hiring you unless you had developed a reputation over many years as a great trial lawyer.
Men get restraining orders all the time against women.
As a little background, Cooley is ranked by US News and World Report as one of the worst law schools in the country; it's reputation among lawyers is pretty much the same, I believe. I've read the lawsuit and actually they probably have a decent case against 3 of the 4 defendants if the statements they made were true (very specific statements about them being under investigation, for example, are not protected as opinion). As for hurting their reputation, in my opinion their reputation is sufficiently bad that this lawsuit isn't really going to make it any worse. Kind of a funny side note, Cooley doesn't like that reputation so they created their own rankings system using supposedly "objective" standards where they ranked themselves #2, or ahead of every other law school in the country (including Yale, which is generally considered to be the best, noticeably outranking even Harvard). The standards they picked, of course, are ones that will rank them highly even though they don't really have anything to do with academic excellence (number of students, number of books in the library, number of seats in the library (seriously), total area of the law school).
Hmm well then Volokh phrased it poorly. Though as a criminal case it would be brought on behalf of the state, not individuals.
Why would a lawyer be leery of it? If what you said is true she is the perfect defendant for a restraining order.
It was not "proven false". The guy did some preliminary studies of it and concluded it was different. Those who had originally contacted him did not choose to pursue the matter for the type of study that would be needed to prove things conclusively.
Because they knew it would be proven false.
I do not know that Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father", what I do know is that Obama did not.
And how do you know this?
As to launching his political career at the Ayers' home, you are saying that he launched it somewhere else. OK, where? Where did Obama first anounce that he was going to run for the State Senate of Illinois? According to everything I have seen, it was at the Ayers' home. You are claiming that it was somewhere else. Where was that?
Everything you've seen has been sold to you by the nutjob right. Ayers himself notes that his house was only one of probably about 20 that Obama visited that night. Other sources corroborate that. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442902
Administrators may be in a position of power on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean that they have a commensurate level of power in the real world.
Actually I am sure it's an inverse relationship.