Heh, c'mon, Notepad and calc.exe both squirt all over Star Office. SO sucks ass. The Gobe suite was cool, even back when I was using BeOS, but I wasn't going to shell out the money for my non-primary OS. You know that I didn't mean "no software" in a literal sense, I just wasn't too happy with the selection. Go easy, though, I came here not to bury BeOS, just giving my own reason why I didn't stick with the platform.
What part of positive and negative numbers do you not understand? They didn't break even, either. RedHat lost money. Please go get a copy of their financial report and read it for yourself before bothering the rest of us again.
That whole "impossible to find software for it" thing that you admit to totally wipes out your claims of BeOS being useful. And having no software doesn't make for a whole lot of fun, either. I can't say that I found it stable or beautiful either, but I haven't used it since R4, so I don't know how much progress they've made in these two areas. If you like using the MacOS interface, you might find it beautiful, but I didn't like the big clunky icon-y look of it, and I thought the widgets were horrible, although I always loved the windowshading feature that it had. Otherwise it reminded me of what I disliked about the Mac interface.
The whole single user-ishness of it wasn't very pleasing, either. I played around with it for a month or so, maybe two, but even if the software selection had been improved, the interface was just too aggravating. I didn't get rid of it in anger or anything, I just gradually used it less and less until some point I realized that I hadn't used it in a few months. I actually still have it on a partition, but can't say that I'll be returning to it. Kinda sucks, because while I knew it was a long shot, I was sorta hoping that Gassee would stick it to Jobs.
So where did you see this 500K theme graphic for the Run box in the screenshots? Where did the screenshots show it taking 7 mouse clicks to get there instead of using WinKey+R?
You know, I used to be so infatuated with the fact that I could code a Quake-style console, but then I stopped to think if I should. I realized that I shouldn't.
Yeah, the MacOS developers purposely kept the OS lightweight by not bloating it up with things like, say, oh...preemptive multitasking or memory protection. That's thinking different, baby!:)
Oh really, and just how did those XP screenshots indicate that extensive mouse usage is required? That's just inane. Why don't you just open a run box and do the exact same thing you were doing before?
Hey, it's not like I've never bitched about the moderation, but c'mon, you had a stinkin' 4!;) You want some funky moderation, come check out some of my scores: You can always tell when you've gotten under somebody's skin when you find that your karma has gone down in multiples of three, and you notice that someone has just moderated down some two-week-old posts of yours. Heh.
I didn't see much to moderate yours down for (like I said, I never give out "overrated"s), but you've gotta remember that the interview ones are a special case, seeing as they're not just pissing contests but a way for people with mod points to get the questions that they want to see answered. I think it's pretty normal that someone really interested in that article went back after he gained mod points, and marked yours down and his favorite up — not out of spite for you, just to knock down some of the competition. I don't think yours was terrible or anything, I just wouldn't have picked it.
Just be happy that it ever got to 5 in the first place. Your post wasn't scathing, interesting, or insightful ("any emulator must chase [the thing they're emulating]'s tail" — WHOA, STOP THE PRESSES!!), and your whining about how it was moderated (this is at least the second time now) only makes the moderators feel better about their decision. I never moderate things as overrated, but if I was moderating and saw that post of yours sitting up there at 5, it would've been a pretty tempting target.
These things have a big problem with getting dust under the screen, making for an annoying experience. It's incredible the number of iPaqs that have been returned and replaced — Compaq deserves a lot of credit for their responsiveness to their customers — it makes me wonder if these things would be so hard to find if not for all the machines that have gone out as replacement models to people already using the platform. I'm under the impression that they can't fix this problem for the 3670, although I'm curious to see if they fix the button problem. I'm not looking to ditch my Casio E-125, but I wouldn't mind adding an iPaq as a second PDA if Compaq would get these two problems ironed out.
Ahh, I suppose it probably depends on the commercials or trailers that you saw. I like the trailers that they put on the DVD, but the only thing that I remember from when it was in the theaters is Tyler going through the rules and having the impression that it was going to be a movie like RoadHouse (if you've never seen it, you've never watched a Turner network) but with hipper actors. I didn't even want to see it, I was badgered into it by an ex-girlfriend who was a huge fan. I relented by getting her to in exchange watch Raising Arizona, so it turned out well. I'll keep an eye out for the book.
Ahhh, duh, I shoulda realized that. I'm a -1 reader for life, so I forget that not everybody gets to read the great stuff down here.
On a side note, don't you think that Fight Club was one of the most poorly marketed movies ever? I didn't see it in theaters, had no desire to based on the ads, but after seeing it on video, went out and immediately bought the DVD, which is heavy on cool features.
Just curious, but why do you keep talking about the first post? The first post was some all your base/stickboy silliness, the second was ripping on Katz, and then came yours, which is why your post says "(#3)" after the date.
Not to burst your bubble or anything — I don't want you grabbing a gun and taking it out on the rest of us.:)
Nah, it's not 1:1, even in theory. The digest that is produced is only 128-bit, while the number of possible inputs is infinite. For example, if you did a MD5sum of each of the books in the Library of Congress, it's entirely possible that one or more of them would be exactly equal to the MD5sum of this here little post. What is supposedly computationally infeasible would be for me to give you a 128-bit message digest and then tell you to come up with an input which will produce the exact same digest. Likewise if I told you to come up with two different inputs that would produce the same message digest.
An example of why MD5 is useful is that I can take the MD5sum of a file, post the message digest somewhere like a website where someone else can't alter it, then freely distribute the original file. If you decide to use the file, no matter from what shady site you downloaded it, you can produce your own MD5 digest of it and make sure that it's equal to the one listed on my web site. If it's the same, you can feel safe that nobody's injected any malicious code into it, because it would supposedly be computationally infeasible for a hacker to alter the file in such a way so as to produce the same message digest as the one listed on my site.
Some of us warned you guys about this exact hypocrisy a long time ago.
You should've been able to see the logical implications of such a stance without needing Eric Raymond, the pauper of VA Lnux, to send the word from on high down to you. Moral: Letting ESR either do your thinking for you, or invest your money for you, is asking for some seriously bad mojo.
AOL is well within their rights to do this to Microsoft or the open source efforts.
AOL doesn't have a near-monopoly on internet chat. There's IRC, which I hate, but there you go. MSN Messenger has passed AIM in users. Yahoo! Messenger isn't all that far behind AIM. ICQ is still the big dog, but the other services have too many users for anyone to think that ICQ can dicate to everybody.
Why do so many of your friends use AIM, anyway? Are you friends with that many AOLers, or did they accidently install it when they installed Nutscrape? AIM has always been lacking in features compared to the competition until fairly recently, anyway. Better to wean yourself and your friends off it now (and if they're really that interested in chatting with you, and you explain the predicament, they shouldn't mind installing a second IM, since most of the competition offer nice and lightweight IMs), than have to deal with this every couple of months when articles like this rear their heads.
What's the big deal about it being ad-free? See, it's live baseball, and they have breaks between innings. I'd rather hear an entertaining ad than dead silence. Or were you hoping to listen in on Vin Scully's piss break or something?
First off, how can anybody mod up a post which has a sentence ending with "of this there can be no argument."?? Please tell me that you're using your own accounts to mod yourself up.
The precise moderation mechanism used here might be a first, but the concept isn't.
Moderation is no more a right-wing thing than political correctness is. And a right-wing attitude would be to hold people responsible for their actions, so I'm not sure how you come up with the opposite.
What would go a long way toward moderation here would be to get rid of the "Overrated" category, maybe replacing it with more specific negative mods (like "Factually wrong"). "Overrated" has basically become, "Well, you presented your argument in a perfectly reasonable manner, but I don't like your opinion. Zap." Seeing stuff at 2 or 1 get moderated down for being "Overrated" is just cowardice.
Anyway, you've gotta be having a good laugh at the people who modded you up, because there's no way in Hell that you wrote that in any sincerity.
Heh, nah, I don't think he's a fanboy, no matter how enthusiastic he was about XP. I haven't gotten as excited as him about XP, and I was actually kinda surprised by his level of enthusiasm, but maybe it's because it's not my regular OS (where you might only realize how great something is until after you use it for a while then can't stand using anything else — kinda parallels my initial reaction to wheelmice), and I haven't tried any builds since Beta 1. I noticed that he points out the features that he thinks are mistakes and urges Microsoft to change.
He's a hard read sometimes; it seems like there are a lot of times that he'll gush over something that doesn't interest me at all, and at other time he'll fuss over such a small thing that I wanna give him a good shake. Anybody who reads the editorials that he writes for the Win 2000 Magazine newsletters knows he doesn't mind going after Microsoft, and I'm about 95% sure that he was advocating their breakup by the feds. I can go back and check for certain if anyone cares.
But, since the reason I posted that link was strictly for all the informational content that he's made available, I think there's plenty of info to be had even when you tune out the opinion-based stuff, definitely a lot more than I've seen at any other sites, c|net and any of Microsoft's own sites included.
That's nice, but you do realize that about 99 percent of the population would say the exact same thing about any Linux release, don't you? Now that's irrelevance.
Check out Paul Thurrott's review at his WinSuperSite page: www.winsupersite.com. Whether or not you share his enthusiasm for WinXP Beta 2, at least he presents an enormous amount of information about it (I haven't even read it all yet). From some of the misinformed posts based on the c|net review (which apparently, from their screenshots was based on an older build) to questions I'm seeing asked which I remember seeing answered by Paul, I'd say that he did a more thorough job of it.
(Note that Paul's isn't technically the latest build either. His was based on build 2462, but MS made a last minute change and released build 2462a as Beta 2.)
Windows Update has nothing to do with piracy checking. This being the case, everything that the simpleminded original poster said was completely false. I'm pretty impressed that you want to knock me out — will your parents extend your curfew for a couple of hours so you can try?
The fact that you think it should've been done long ago, or whether people will notice or not has no bearing whatsoever that finally moving away from the 9x line is a huge change.
XP Home/Pro isn't all that big of a change from Win2K Pro, and Microsoft even says this, although on the server versions, the changes might be bigger depending on how much of the.NET framework they include — it's not going to be shipping at the same time as the Home/Pro versions. But Win2K was never marketed to home users.
XP is not a major step toward.NET. Like I said, the article's pretty poor. You can get much better info (including a reviewer who actually used the build that he's reviewing, instead of c|net's outdated build) at www.winsupersite.com.
Paul Thurrott has a page specifically dedicated to that question: www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.a sp. In fact, judging from all the misinformation I've been seeing from posters after reading the C|net review, I'd highly suggest that anyone looking for XP info go check out his Windows SuperSite page, where he has an incredible amount of into about WinXP Beta 2. And at least his are based on the current build, which C|net obviously didn't bother to do, judging by the build number shown in their screenshots.
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Heh, c'mon, Notepad and calc.exe both squirt all over Star Office. SO sucks ass. The Gobe suite was cool, even back when I was using BeOS, but I wasn't going to shell out the money for my non-primary OS. You know that I didn't mean "no software" in a literal sense, I just wasn't too happy with the selection. Go easy, though, I came here not to bury BeOS, just giving my own reason why I didn't stick with the platform.
Cheers,
What part of positive and negative numbers do you not understand? They didn't break even, either. RedHat lost money. Please go get a copy of their financial report and read it for yourself before bothering the rest of us again.
Cheers,
That whole "impossible to find software for it" thing that you admit to totally wipes out your claims of BeOS being useful. And having no software doesn't make for a whole lot of fun, either. I can't say that I found it stable or beautiful either, but I haven't used it since R4, so I don't know how much progress they've made in these two areas. If you like using the MacOS interface, you might find it beautiful, but I didn't like the big clunky icon-y look of it, and I thought the widgets were horrible, although I always loved the windowshading feature that it had. Otherwise it reminded me of what I disliked about the Mac interface.
The whole single user-ishness of it wasn't very pleasing, either. I played around with it for a month or so, maybe two, but even if the software selection had been improved, the interface was just too aggravating. I didn't get rid of it in anger or anything, I just gradually used it less and less until some point I realized that I hadn't used it in a few months. I actually still have it on a partition, but can't say that I'll be returning to it. Kinda sucks, because while I knew it was a long shot, I was sorta hoping that Gassee would stick it to Jobs.
Cheers,
No, RedHat is not making money. Didn't you just see their latest financial report? It just came out last week or so.
Cheers,
So where did you see this 500K theme graphic for the Run box in the screenshots? Where did the screenshots show it taking 7 mouse clicks to get there instead of using WinKey+R?
You know, I used to be so infatuated with the fact that I could code a Quake-style console, but then I stopped to think if I should. I realized that I shouldn't.
Cheers,
Yeah, the MacOS developers purposely kept the OS lightweight by not bloating it up with things like, say, oh...preemptive multitasking or memory protection. That's thinking different, baby! :)
Cheers,
Oh really, and just how did those XP screenshots indicate that extensive mouse usage is required? That's just inane. Why don't you just open a run box and do the exact same thing you were doing before?
Cheers,
Hey, it's not like I've never bitched about the moderation, but c'mon, you had a stinkin' 4! ;) You want some funky moderation, come check out some of my scores: You can always tell when you've gotten under somebody's skin when you find that your karma has gone down in multiples of three, and you notice that someone has just moderated down some two-week-old posts of yours. Heh.
I didn't see much to moderate yours down for (like I said, I never give out "overrated"s), but you've gotta remember that the interview ones are a special case, seeing as they're not just pissing contests but a way for people with mod points to get the questions that they want to see answered. I think it's pretty normal that someone really interested in that article went back after he gained mod points, and marked yours down and his favorite up — not out of spite for you, just to knock down some of the competition. I don't think yours was terrible or anything, I just wouldn't have picked it.
Cheers,
Just be happy that it ever got to 5 in the first place. Your post wasn't scathing, interesting, or insightful ("any emulator must chase [the thing they're emulating]'s tail" — WHOA, STOP THE PRESSES!!), and your whining about how it was moderated (this is at least the second time now) only makes the moderators feel better about their decision. I never moderate things as overrated, but if I was moderating and saw that post of yours sitting up there at 5, it would've been a pretty tempting target.
Cheers,
These things have a big problem with getting dust under the screen, making for an annoying experience. It's incredible the number of iPaqs that have been returned and replaced — Compaq deserves a lot of credit for their responsiveness to their customers — it makes me wonder if these things would be so hard to find if not for all the machines that have gone out as replacement models to people already using the platform. I'm under the impression that they can't fix this problem for the 3670, although I'm curious to see if they fix the button problem. I'm not looking to ditch my Casio E-125, but I wouldn't mind adding an iPaq as a second PDA if Compaq would get these two problems ironed out.
Cheers,
Ahh, I suppose it probably depends on the commercials or trailers that you saw. I like the trailers that they put on the DVD, but the only thing that I remember from when it was in the theaters is Tyler going through the rules and having the impression that it was going to be a movie like RoadHouse (if you've never seen it, you've never watched a Turner network) but with hipper actors. I didn't even want to see it, I was badgered into it by an ex-girlfriend who was a huge fan. I relented by getting her to in exchange watch Raising Arizona, so it turned out well. I'll keep an eye out for the book.
Cheers,
Ahhh, duh, I shoulda realized that. I'm a -1 reader for life, so I forget that not everybody gets to read the great stuff down here.
On a side note, don't you think that Fight Club was one of the most poorly marketed movies ever? I didn't see it in theaters, had no desire to based on the ads, but after seeing it on video, went out and immediately bought the DVD, which is heavy on cool features.
Cheers,
Just curious, but why do you keep talking about the first post? The first post was some all your base/stickboy silliness, the second was ripping on Katz, and then came yours, which is why your post says "(#3)" after the date.
Not to burst your bubble or anything — I don't want you grabbing a gun and taking it out on the rest of us. :)
Cheers,
Nah, it's not 1:1, even in theory. The digest that is produced is only 128-bit, while the number of possible inputs is infinite. For example, if you did a MD5sum of each of the books in the Library of Congress, it's entirely possible that one or more of them would be exactly equal to the MD5sum of this here little post. What is supposedly computationally infeasible would be for me to give you a 128-bit message digest and then tell you to come up with an input which will produce the exact same digest. Likewise if I told you to come up with two different inputs that would produce the same message digest.
An example of why MD5 is useful is that I can take the MD5sum of a file, post the message digest somewhere like a website where someone else can't alter it, then freely distribute the original file. If you decide to use the file, no matter from what shady site you downloaded it, you can produce your own MD5 digest of it and make sure that it's equal to the one listed on my web site. If it's the same, you can feel safe that nobody's injected any malicious code into it, because it would supposedly be computationally infeasible for a hacker to alter the file in such a way so as to produce the same message digest as the one listed on my site.
Cheers,
Thoughts? Yeah.
Why do so many of your friends use AIM, anyway? Are you friends with that many AOLers, or did they accidently install it when they installed Nutscrape? AIM has always been lacking in features compared to the competition until fairly recently, anyway. Better to wean yourself and your friends off it now (and if they're really that interested in chatting with you, and you explain the predicament, they shouldn't mind installing a second IM, since most of the competition offer nice and lightweight IMs), than have to deal with this every couple of months when articles like this rear their heads.
Cheers,
The Tribune Company owns both the Chicago Cubs and WGN Broadcasting. I wish I could hear their laughter when they get your letter.
Cheers,
What's the big deal about it being ad-free? See, it's live baseball, and they have breaks between innings. I'd rather hear an entertaining ad than dead silence. Or were you hoping to listen in on Vin Scully's piss break or something?
Cheers,
Don't pity your friend because he can no longer listen to baseball on the internet, pity him for being so concerned about 10 dollars.
Cheers,
First off, how can anybody mod up a post which has a sentence ending with "of this there can be no argument."?? Please tell me that you're using your own accounts to mod yourself up.
The precise moderation mechanism used here might be a first, but the concept isn't.
Moderation is no more a right-wing thing than political correctness is. And a right-wing attitude would be to hold people responsible for their actions, so I'm not sure how you come up with the opposite.
What would go a long way toward moderation here would be to get rid of the "Overrated" category, maybe replacing it with more specific negative mods (like "Factually wrong"). "Overrated" has basically become, "Well, you presented your argument in a perfectly reasonable manner, but I don't like your opinion. Zap." Seeing stuff at 2 or 1 get moderated down for being "Overrated" is just cowardice.
Anyway, you've gotta be having a good laugh at the people who modded you up, because there's no way in Hell that you wrote that in any sincerity.
Cheers,
Heh, nah, I don't think he's a fanboy, no matter how enthusiastic he was about XP. I haven't gotten as excited as him about XP, and I was actually kinda surprised by his level of enthusiasm, but maybe it's because it's not my regular OS (where you might only realize how great something is until after you use it for a while then can't stand using anything else — kinda parallels my initial reaction to wheelmice), and I haven't tried any builds since Beta 1. I noticed that he points out the features that he thinks are mistakes and urges Microsoft to change.
He's a hard read sometimes; it seems like there are a lot of times that he'll gush over something that doesn't interest me at all, and at other time he'll fuss over such a small thing that I wanna give him a good shake. Anybody who reads the editorials that he writes for the Win 2000 Magazine newsletters knows he doesn't mind going after Microsoft, and I'm about 95% sure that he was advocating their breakup by the feds. I can go back and check for certain if anyone cares.
But, since the reason I posted that link was strictly for all the informational content that he's made available, I think there's plenty of info to be had even when you tune out the opinion-based stuff, definitely a lot more than I've seen at any other sites, c|net and any of Microsoft's own sites included.
Cheers,
That's nice, but you do realize that about 99 percent of the population would say the exact same thing about any Linux release, don't you? Now that's irrelevance.
Cheers,
Check out Paul Thurrott's review at his WinSuperSite page: www.winsupersite.com. Whether or not you share his enthusiasm for WinXP Beta 2, at least he presents an enormous amount of information about it (I haven't even read it all yet). From some of the misinformed posts based on the c|net review (which apparently, from their screenshots was based on an older build) to questions I'm seeing asked which I remember seeing answered by Paul, I'd say that he did a more thorough job of it.
(Note that Paul's isn't technically the latest build either. His was based on build 2462, but MS made a last minute change and released build 2462a as Beta 2.)
Cheers,
Windows Update has nothing to do with piracy checking. This being the case, everything that the simpleminded original poster said was completely false. I'm pretty impressed that you want to knock me out — will your parents extend your curfew for a couple of hours so you can try?
Cheers,
The fact that you think it should've been done long ago, or whether people will notice or not has no bearing whatsoever that finally moving away from the 9x line is a huge change.
XP Home/Pro isn't all that big of a change from Win2K Pro, and Microsoft even says this, although on the server versions, the changes might be bigger depending on how much of the .NET framework they include — it's not going to be shipping at the same time as the Home/Pro versions. But Win2K was never marketed to home users.
XP is not a major step toward .NET. Like I said, the article's pretty poor. You can get much better info (including a reviewer who actually used the build that he's reviewing, instead of c|net's outdated build) at www.winsupersite.com.
Cheers,
Paul Thurrott has a page specifically dedicated to that question: www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.a sp. In fact, judging from all the misinformation I've been seeing from posters after reading the C|net review, I'd highly suggest that anyone looking for XP info go check out his Windows SuperSite page, where he has an incredible amount of into about WinXP Beta 2. And at least his are based on the current build, which C|net obviously didn't bother to do, judging by the build number shown in their screenshots.
Cheers,