Wow, how much did Sun pay you for that particular sales pitch? Maybe Sun would've been better off spending the money trying to figure out why those "rock solid" machines of theirs keep crashing.
Some critics, however, argue that the problem is more serious that Sun is willing to admit. Paul McGuckin, an analyst with Gartner Group who deals regularly with major corporate customers, said that roughly 60 major Gartner clients have reported problems with as many as several hundred Sun servers.
"There are a lot of unhappy Sun customers out there," says McGuckin, who notes that many Gartner clients complained that Sun took too long to acknowledge the problem's significance and that some believe the computer maker tried to squelch open discussion of the issue.
Sun's Shoemaker denies any coverup, saying only that Sun initially required customers who reported the problem to sign a nondisclosure agreement because of the large quantity of internal technical information the computer maker opted to share in an attempt to solve the problem. Eight or nine months ago, when Sun realized the spontaneous-crash problem was more common than it first thought, Shoemaker says, it stopped requiring customers to sign such agreements.
Ahh, I see. So clustering is bad if it's Microsoft doing it, but the best thing since sliced bread as long as it's not Microsoft. After all, we are at the site that's had so much gushing over Linux clustering that "Imagine a Beowulf of these!" became a running gag.
Also, there are some pretty large holes in your logic based on what appears in the TPC-H list. Since Oracle didn't even make the list at all, your logic would also follow that "for large enterprise work, Oracle just doesn't appear to work." Pretty silly stuff.
That single IBM machine costs $9.6 million (well, IBM says it will — it still isn't available yet) and was still beaten out by a cluster costing $5.3 million. Adding another AIX machine, even if you assume that its performance would scale linearly (and I've got a bridge to sell ya), would more than double the price of the no. 1 system and yet still not match its performance. Like someone else said, if they coulda, they woulda, for pride's sake if for nothing else.
But you were implying that Microsoft was having trouble because of the KDEs and GNOMEs of the world. How do you reconcile your statement with the fact that they're increasing their desktop marketshare? (For the record, the two closest competitors were MacOS at 4% and Linux at 1%.) And BSD? Come on.
They've only gone from an 89% desktop marketshare to 92% over the past year. Not only that, but they've only gone from a 38% server marketshare to 41% over the past year! Those poor bastards!
Are you the same idiot that I replied to last time? You sound even dumber. The reason why is, in order to get that $1 million, you'll be paying a lot more than that in software and Oracle consulting fees. That's why knowledgeable people call it a scam.
No kidding. I hope when the knee-jerkers are adults, they have fun hovering over their kids' shoulders 24-hours a day. I'm sure their children will just love that. Oh, and don't forget to leave the gun and liquor cabinets unlocked, the Playboys on the coffee table, and don't even think about setting a root password on your computer. Telling your kids not to mess around with any of those will be perfectly sufficient.
Microsoft doing this is also a good thing because the game-makers will feel less pressure to sanitize the adult games. Or I suppose the knee-jerkers would prefer the situation where game-makers get called up before congress every time they make a game showing the rape of that chick from Diff'rent Strokes.
What are you talking about? The top entry was a cluster of twenty-four 8-cpu machines. Two that topped Oracle's highest score was a cluster of twelve 8-cpu machines. (Of course, the setup running Oracle cost $9.6 million and the two SQL Server setups cost $4.2 million.) What's this "100s of 'small' Xeon machines" crap? Go lie somewhere else, please.
You talking about Larry's $1,000,000 scam pretty much says it all about your knowledge of enterprise databases.
For being at a "severe disadvantage," Microsoft doesn't seem to be doing too badly. SQL Server 2000 holds the number 1, 3, and 4 positions on the TPC-C performance list (number 2 is DB2 7.1, but like the rest of the top 4, it's a Win2K system). The first place entry more than doubles Oracle 8i's 5th place entry, and gets $19.80/tpmC compared to Oracle's $43.30/tmpC. SQL Server 7 and 2000 also hold all of the top 10 price/performance positions (all that were listed).
Sorry, but there is a plethora of Linux apps that I am itching for when I have to work on a Windows box, or when I have to work with other Windows users.
Well, why didn't you name any then? I'm pretty sure that my mailing list user admin form that uses MySQL and PHP on a Win2K box isn't a figment of my imagination. (Yes, I serve the pages via IIS, but rest assured that you can easily get Apache for Win32 if you want it.) And you've got the stones to call me clueless?
Whenever I am forced to work with a Windows box, I have my Linux box running as well, if possible, and through OpenSSH, smbclient, VNC, WINE and other stuff I can finally do what I have to do on that Windows box.
That's nice, but the rest of us don't have to add all that junk to use the software you mentioned on a Windows box. I just add a single program, PuTTY, on my Windows boxes to connect to my headless *nix boxes. Let me repeat: There is absolutely no Linux-only software that any but a trivial number of Windows users are itching to use. Frankly, it's the other way around, else you wouldn't see so many articles around here complaining that something isn't available for Linux.
Oh, and I think I'll keep my sources.list pointed at the stable directories — those other ones are called "unstable" for a reason.;-)
Sorry, but there's not a single Linux program that Windows users are itching for. Not one. May I suggest putting your programming resources into improving those pieces of shit that currently make up the vast majority of Linux apps? Maybe one day, you too can have a decent web browser!
Why is it that every time we get a Republican in the Whitehouse I loose my fucking job?
Maybe by now you've noticed that Republicans generally favor earning your way rather than having things handed to you. The Dems might've told you otherwise, but your job isn't an entitlement. After reading your post, lemme guess...member of the teacher's union?:)
Dude, why even bother trying to explain? It should be obvious by now that TCO is a totally foreign concept to 99.9% of the people who come here. I think it's cool that you hope to educate them, but I'm pretty much coming to the conculsion that they're hopeless.
What's so surprising about that? There've only been a ton of articles mentioning the situation so far. This your first time to read a newspaper or something?
Thanks for letting everyone know that you don't have a single fucking clue as to what you're talking about. NT/2000 sprung forth from OS/2? Again, thanks!
The only thing that people are going to be getting confused with George Foreman's Grill is an iMac. (See a pic of the Foreman Grill for yourself here if you don't believe me.) Maybe that's why Apple adopted those hideous new polka dot and flower power designs?
Plus, I heard that GE is about to start an ad campaign for their new refrigerator line featuring those rascally hip-hop superstars Kid-n-Play. I tell ya, these megacorps are just sooooooo cool!
I might've gotten giddy and carried away the last couple of days, but all you have to do is look at my posting history for things that have no relation to Linux. Linux has probably a smaller percentage of my posts than Slashdot's percentage of Katz stories/MS stories/stories where they got the facts seriously wrong/other digital detritus, so I think I'm doin' just fine.:)
How would Slashdot postings make MSFT stock go up or down, anyway? Let's not take ourselves too seriously, please.
Nah, I just find it funny that ESR has to eat his words after his little gloat about how much better he was than his worshippers. As for the Slashdot guys, I might rail on them, but I don't want their site taken away from them. As a matter of fact, if you want to go back further in my posting history, you'll see that I was congratulating Bates and Malda on great stock market fortunes they were earning (American dream and all that good stuff) while plenty of other posters were calling for their heads for being sellouts. I've got no axe to grind, I just come here for a laugh and to occasionally educate and to occasionally be educated.
Well, according to the letter that Larry sent out on Feb 20 (when he axed 25% of the staff), they had $126 million left in the bank. They had a net loss of around $13 million last quarter, with no hope of being profitable any time soon. Now, if anyone can look at their business model and tell me how they can turn a profit goign up against the Dells of the world, I'd love to hear it.
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Wow, how much did Sun pay you for that particular sales pitch? Maybe Sun would've been better off spending the money trying to figure out why those "rock solid" machines of theirs keep crashing.
"Squelching open discussion," eh? :)
Cheers,
Ahh, I see. So clustering is bad if it's Microsoft doing it, but the best thing since sliced bread as long as it's not Microsoft. After all, we are at the site that's had so much gushing over Linux clustering that "Imagine a Beowulf of these!" became a running gag.
Also, there are some pretty large holes in your logic based on what appears in the TPC-H list. Since Oracle didn't even make the list at all, your logic would also follow that "for large enterprise work, Oracle just doesn't appear to work." Pretty silly stuff.
Cheers,
That single IBM machine costs $9.6 million (well, IBM says it will — it still isn't available yet) and was still beaten out by a cluster costing $5.3 million. Adding another AIX machine, even if you assume that its performance would scale linearly (and I've got a bridge to sell ya), would more than double the price of the no. 1 system and yet still not match its performance. Like someone else said, if they coulda, they woulda, for pride's sake if for nothing else.
Cheers,
But you were implying that Microsoft was having trouble because of the KDEs and GNOMEs of the world. How do you reconcile your statement with the fact that they're increasing their desktop marketshare? (For the record, the two closest competitors were MacOS at 4% and Linux at 1%.) And BSD? Come on.
Cheers,
They've only gone from an 89% desktop marketshare to 92% over the past year. Not only that, but they've only gone from a 38% server marketshare to 41% over the past year! Those poor bastards!
Cheers,
Are you the same idiot that I replied to last time? You sound even dumber. The reason why is, in order to get that $1 million, you'll be paying a lot more than that in software and Oracle consulting fees. That's why knowledgeable people call it a scam.
Cheers,
No kidding. I hope when the knee-jerkers are adults, they have fun hovering over their kids' shoulders 24-hours a day. I'm sure their children will just love that. Oh, and don't forget to leave the gun and liquor cabinets unlocked, the Playboys on the coffee table, and don't even think about setting a root password on your computer. Telling your kids not to mess around with any of those will be perfectly sufficient.
Microsoft doing this is also a good thing because the game-makers will feel less pressure to sanitize the adult games. Or I suppose the knee-jerkers would prefer the situation where game-makers get called up before congress every time they make a game showing the rape of that chick from Diff'rent Strokes.
Cheers,
What are you talking about? The top entry was a cluster of twenty-four 8-cpu machines. Two that topped Oracle's highest score was a cluster of twelve 8-cpu machines. (Of course, the setup running Oracle cost $9.6 million and the two SQL Server setups cost $4.2 million.) What's this "100s of 'small' Xeon machines" crap? Go lie somewhere else, please.
You talking about Larry's $1,000,000 scam pretty much says it all about your knowledge of enterprise databases.
Cheers,
For being at a "severe disadvantage," Microsoft doesn't seem to be doing too badly. SQL Server 2000 holds the number 1, 3, and 4 positions on the TPC-C performance list (number 2 is DB2 7.1, but like the rest of the top 4, it's a Win2K system). The first place entry more than doubles Oracle 8i's 5th place entry, and gets $19.80/tpmC compared to Oracle's $43.30/tmpC. SQL Server 7 and 2000 also hold all of the top 10 price/performance positions (all that were listed).
Cheers,
Sorry, but there is a plethora of Linux apps that I am itching for when I have to work on a Windows box, or when I have to work with other Windows users.
Well, why didn't you name any then? I'm pretty sure that my mailing list user admin form that uses MySQL and PHP on a Win2K box isn't a figment of my imagination. (Yes, I serve the pages via IIS, but rest assured that you can easily get Apache for Win32 if you want it.) And you've got the stones to call me clueless?
Whenever I am forced to work with a Windows box, I have my Linux box running as well, if possible, and through OpenSSH, smbclient, VNC, WINE and other stuff I can finally do what I have to do on that Windows box.
That's nice, but the rest of us don't have to add all that junk to use the software you mentioned on a Windows box. I just add a single program, PuTTY, on my Windows boxes to connect to my headless *nix boxes. Let me repeat: There is absolutely no Linux-only software that any but a trivial number of Windows users are itching to use. Frankly, it's the other way around, else you wouldn't see so many articles around here complaining that something isn't available for Linux.
Oh, and I think I'll keep my sources.list pointed at the stable directories — those other ones are called "unstable" for a reason. ;-)
Cheers,
Heh, you posted that link but didn't see the "Tux Racer 0.61a Released for Windows" headline? My point still stands. ;)
Cheers,
Dear nerds,
Sorry, but there's not a single Linux program that Windows users are itching for. Not one. May I suggest putting your programming resources into improving those pieces of shit that currently make up the vast majority of Linux apps? Maybe one day, you too can have a decent web browser!
Cheers,
Why is it that every time we get a Republican in the Whitehouse I loose my fucking job?
Maybe by now you've noticed that Republicans generally favor earning your way rather than having things handed to you. The Dems might've told you otherwise, but your job isn't an entitlement. After reading your post, lemme guess...member of the teacher's union? :)
Cheers,
Dude, why even bother trying to explain? It should be obvious by now that TCO is a totally foreign concept to 99.9% of the people who come here. I think it's cool that you hope to educate them, but I'm pretty much coming to the conculsion that they're hopeless.
Cheers,
What's so surprising about that? There've only been a ton of articles mentioning the situation so far. This your first time to read a newspaper or something?
Cheers,
Thanks for letting everyone know that you don't have a single fucking clue as to what you're talking about. NT/2000 sprung forth from OS/2? Again, thanks!
Cheers,
Lou Gerstner, is that you? :)
Cheers,
So, we're talking about plummeting stocks? Let's look at some facts:
Microsoft is down 52.6 percent from it's all-time high. However, NASDAQ is down 47.1 percent over the same period. (27 Dec 1999 to now).
RedHat is down 95.5 percent from it's all-time high. NASDAQ is only down 40.3 over the same period (6 Dec 1999 to now).
VA Linux is down 98.9 percent from it's all-time high. NASDAQ is only down 41.1 percent over the same period (9 Dec 1999 to now).
Nice comparision.
Cheers,
The only thing that people are going to be getting confused with George Foreman's Grill is an iMac. (See a pic of the Foreman Grill for yourself here if you don't believe me.) Maybe that's why Apple adopted those hideous new polka dot and flower power designs?
Cheers,
Yeah, they did a great job with OS/2...
Cheers,
What better way to promote the latest rehash of a 30-year old operating system than an ad campaign rehashing culture from 30 years ago? :)
Cheers,
Plus, I heard that GE is about to start an ad campaign for their new refrigerator line featuring those rascally hip-hop superstars Kid-n-Play. I tell ya, these megacorps are just sooooooo cool!
Cheers,
I might've gotten giddy and carried away the last couple of days, but all you have to do is look at my posting history for things that have no relation to Linux. Linux has probably a smaller percentage of my posts than Slashdot's percentage of Katz stories/MS stories/stories where they got the facts seriously wrong/other digital detritus, so I think I'm doin' just fine. :)
How would Slashdot postings make MSFT stock go up or down, anyway? Let's not take ourselves too seriously, please.
Cheers,
Nah, I just find it funny that ESR has to eat his words after his little gloat about how much better he was than his worshippers. As for the Slashdot guys, I might rail on them, but I don't want their site taken away from them. As a matter of fact, if you want to go back further in my posting history, you'll see that I was congratulating Bates and Malda on great stock market fortunes they were earning (American dream and all that good stuff) while plenty of other posters were calling for their heads for being sellouts. I've got no axe to grind, I just come here for a laugh and to occasionally educate and to occasionally be educated.
Cheers,
Well, according to the letter that Larry sent out on Feb 20 (when he axed 25% of the staff), they had $126 million left in the bank. They had a net loss of around $13 million last quarter, with no hope of being profitable any time soon. Now, if anyone can look at their business model and tell me how they can turn a profit goign up against the Dells of the world, I'd love to hear it.
Cheers,