See, your problem is assuming that an Apple hater will understand logic. They cannot, for it goes against their unshakable absolute TRUTH that Apple is an evil company out to rape everyone they can get their grubby hands on. Facts? They don't need no stinkin' facts. They've got the knowledge and no amount of reality will change it!
And what's your point? Do you seriously think that this isn't already known by the company who runs the damn towers you're connecting to? And hey, guess what?! They don't have to have physical access to your device to get to this info! ZOMG!
In order to access info that's more detailed than is already known, your GPS has to be active. Logic, bro. Use it.
Actually come to think of it, it's the CARRIERS that benefit from this data, not Apple. It's not storing your GPS location... just the location of the cell towers you've hit. So it's giving, essentially, a map of network load caused by your phone. Aggregated with other phones, this would be pretty interesting information to a carrier, you'd think. Perhaps carriers wanted Apple to do this kind of logging? But again, since the data isn't sent to anyone, it's still hard to see how this could be useful for anything other than a legitimate reason related to the phone itself (e.g. caching your previous locations so that it can more quickly use AGPS to pinpoint you again).
Nice logic. Except that the carriers already know with great precision where you've been anyway. They run the towers you connect to, remember?
Except that none of your examples actually fit, since you need physical access to the device in question to get access to this data! If a burglar can do that, I've got much bigger problems, yeah?
Finally, there's nothing to indicate your claim that this won't collect data when location services are turned off is correct.
There's also nothing to substantiate your insinuation that Apple has somehow magically created a GPS system that continues to track location when it's OFF.
They released a new OS that everyone would have to upgrade to. Because of their choice to never patch an OS, but instead to release new ones, this means that anyone with a 2G or 3G iPhone can never get the "fix." We have two iPhones, and they are the ones that can never get that OS. So it isn't fixed. I don't know the distribution of sales, but I'd guess that the number of iPhones sold which can't be "fixed" exceeds the number that can. And that's apparently ok with you.
I don't know the distribution of sales, but I'd guess that the number of cars sold that can't handle flex-fuel exceeds the number that can. And that's apparently ok with you.
Yep. My daughter got hit by two of those one month. And I saw it on the next bill. I called AT&T and bitched. They reversed the charges and put a block on her line so those don't work. I don't really see the problem here, though they should have put that block on the line to begin with, since they knew she was a child.
So what you're saying is that as parents, they should automatically know everything about anything, and automatically understand that the cute game they got their kids for $3.00 has a section which entices them to spend said parents money even before the actual act happens? As a parent, I can only dream of such omniscience that I know what my kids are doing before they do it!
Considering that:
The very first line in the description on the App Store describes exactly what in-app purchases can be made
There is a setting on the phone itself that disables all in-app purchases for all apps
And you cannot make a purchase without entering the iTunes password...
Yeah, I think you should be able to handle it. I sure can.
If she was 10, there's no way I'd give her an iOS device.
Guess what? My 11 year old has an iPhone. Guess how many dollars she's wasted on in-app purchases? Wait for it. Wait for it... NONE! I guess my kids must be smarter than yours then, ya?
Oh, no. I just don't give her the iTunes password. I teach her how to recognize sneaky adware. And she's now a smart consumer. Guess that must mean that I'm a decent parent then...
Media-based entertainment not a priority, so I sure as Hell am not scheduling the next 24 hours of my life to accommodate it.
You are so right, buddy! Sitting there, anxiously staring at that progress bar creeping along is such a buzzkill! Although, to be fair, it's a lot better than camping out under my mailbox waiting for the Netflix DVD or my Amazon order to show up. Especially when it rains; that really is the pits, man.
You should consider investing in a chamberpot. It's a lot easier to clean up in these times when you're unable to get up from the computer and, you know, do other things.
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See, your problem is assuming that an Apple hater will understand logic. They cannot, for it goes against their unshakable absolute TRUTH that Apple is an evil company out to rape everyone they can get their grubby hands on. Facts? They don't need no stinkin' facts. They've got the knowledge and no amount of reality will change it!
Relevant: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney
.bat files? Is that from some bastard version of vms or something?
lol
I suppose this retard thinks he's clever.
Bad Kitty!
Verily, you may not link directly to images. Link to their containing web page instead.
You tried to access: /blog/
From: http://hurvitz.org/
I have spoken!
Lol. So we switch from using one corner case to another? ;-)
Yeah. And that's already known information. Just like with every cell phone ever connected to the network.
And listening to cell tower location could even be possible if you put the phone in airplane mode.
No, this is not possible. Airplane mode turns off the radios. That's kind of the point of airplane mode.
Information that's already known by the carrier. As with ever cell phone ever used.
And what's your point? Do you seriously think that this isn't already known by the company who runs the damn towers you're connecting to? And hey, guess what?! They don't have to have physical access to your device to get to this info! ZOMG!
In order to access info that's more detailed than is already known, your GPS has to be active. Logic, bro. Use it.
Actually come to think of it, it's the CARRIERS that benefit from this data, not Apple. It's not storing your GPS location ... just the location of the cell towers you've hit. So it's giving, essentially, a map of network load caused by your phone. Aggregated with other phones, this would be pretty interesting information to a carrier, you'd think. Perhaps carriers wanted Apple to do this kind of logging? But again, since the data isn't sent to anyone, it's still hard to see how this could be useful for anything other than a legitimate reason related to the phone itself (e.g. caching your previous locations so that it can more quickly use AGPS to pinpoint you again).
Nice logic. Except that the carriers already know with great precision where you've been anyway. They run the towers you connect to, remember?
Except that none of your examples actually fit, since you need physical access to the device in question to get access to this data! If a burglar can do that, I've got much bigger problems, yeah?
Never has your username been more appropriate. Go take your meds.
Finally, there's nothing to indicate your claim that this won't collect data when location services are turned off is correct.
There's also nothing to substantiate your insinuation that Apple has somehow magically created a GPS system that continues to track location when it's OFF.
Nice way to spin the article in exactly the opposite direction as the author intended. (http://careers.foxnews.com/)
They released a new OS that everyone would have to upgrade to. Because of their choice to never patch an OS, but instead to release new ones, this means that anyone with a 2G or 3G iPhone can never get the "fix." We have two iPhones, and they are the ones that can never get that OS. So it isn't fixed. I don't know the distribution of sales, but I'd guess that the number of iPhones sold which can't be "fixed" exceeds the number that can. And that's apparently ok with you.
I don't know the distribution of sales, but I'd guess that the number of cars sold that can't handle flex-fuel exceeds the number that can. And that's apparently ok with you.
Big hint for you. Those are old phones.
Yep. My daughter got hit by two of those one month. And I saw it on the next bill. I called AT&T and bitched. They reversed the charges and put a block on her line so those don't work. I don't really see the problem here, though they should have put that block on the line to begin with, since they knew she was a child.
So what you're saying is that as parents, they should automatically know everything about anything, and automatically understand that the cute game they got their kids for $3.00 has a section which entices them to spend said parents money even before the actual act happens? As a parent, I can only dream of such omniscience that I know what my kids are doing before they do it!
Considering that:
Yeah, I think you should be able to handle it. I sure can.
If she was 10, there's no way I'd give her an iOS device.
Guess what? My 11 year old has an iPhone. Guess how many dollars she's wasted on in-app purchases? Wait for it. Wait for it... NONE! I guess my kids must be smarter than yours then, ya?
Oh, no. I just don't give her the iTunes password. I teach her how to recognize sneaky adware. And she's now a smart consumer. Guess that must mean that I'm a decent parent then...
Aw, Hack, did you forget your meds again?
Surely you didn't take that snarky comment too seriously there, right?
Three months later they returned to the cages
Misleading title. Should be "Scientists accidentally discover a way around that pesky eating requirement."
OS X sucks because some third party software for it sucks. Quite the argument you got there, bub.
*this*
I had to explain this to a mathematician friend just the other day. He was offended that I'd apply skepticism to "real science."
Sure. We investigate the flat Earth theory daily by traveling, ya?
Are you kidding? When the flowerbed under the mailbox is so comfortable? What's three days in a sleeping bag when you've got The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!? on order?
Media-based entertainment not a priority, so I sure as Hell am not scheduling the next 24 hours of my life to accommodate it.
You are so right, buddy! Sitting there, anxiously staring at that progress bar creeping along is such a buzzkill! Although, to be fair, it's a lot better than camping out under my mailbox waiting for the Netflix DVD or my Amazon order to show up. Especially when it rains; that really is the pits, man.
You should consider investing in a chamberpot. It's a lot easier to clean up in these times when you're unable to get up from the computer and, you know, do other things.