government intervention in things wouldn't be necissary if the government didn't impose an unnatural property right - mainly copyrights. They're not a true libertarian property right, and without them the problems with MS and Time AOL would be impossible.
A good way to understand what's going to happen in the following years is to understand the old-south of yester-year before the civil war. At that time people just naturally assumed that slave ownership was right - and took this belief to it's logical conclusion. By Believeing this, they set themselves for bitter failure - and the same is true today. People just assume that copyrihts and patents are some type of property right, but they're not. And they were never intended to be. That's why they have an expiration date - and the bill of rights does not. They were designed to be a short term incentive to bring creative works out into the open, but can you honestly say that the MPAA and others have used them with that in mind? Face it. New technologies have put copyrights on a colision course with the bill-of-rights, which you better be prepared to fight for - because the MPAA is more than willing to escalate their position to the point of violence, so don't be suprised when they do. Just MHO.
Let there be no doubt about it. The MPAA is willing to escilate to the point of violence. They are nothing less then copy-nazis. To see what can happen when one believes he has a property right, and another believes it's not. We don't half to go back much further than the US civil-war. Not that slavery (as a property right) and copyrights have anything to do with each other, just that they are both cases where people think that they have property rights where there are none.
Your wrong. When prohibition ended - the violence stopped almost immediately. There are several reports of packed court rooms, and backloged cases - that almost completely disapeared within the course of two months. Infact, most of the money went into family entertainment (Las Vegas) after the fact. Drug prohibition would be the same. These people don't form in gangs (big ones at least) because of bad upbringing - they do it because they can't call the police when someone steals their cocane, so they half to defend it themselves (not an easy task when your enemies are so ruthless). This is why gangs are so teritorial, and so often associated with violence.
The fact is that drug prohibition leads to gang violence, overcrowded prisions, and makes cold blooded killer gangstas into millionaires. It's failed us for the same reasons alchol prohibition failed us. Even if you hate drugs - drug prohibition drives the problem underground, where it is nearly impossible to be addressed openly or solved publicly. It also creates other social problems - eg a drug using female who is raped while using cocane may not report the agressor because she fears going to jail herself.
Finally, it erodes our rights. We've had more taken away from us in the name of the war on drugs than anything else I can think of.
The Civil War was about North vs South, but if a modern day civil war breaks out - there will be no clear boundries. There are people who suffer and benefit from copyrights and patents in every local region. In addition many things that are in the interest of patents are at odds with the interests of copyrights. It would be very broken and territorial - perhaps anarchy like.
However, if any place can survive, or make peacefull resolution. I believe America can. Americans seem to have a much better ability for speaking up for their rights, and standing up for them (guns). But, America will also be the first place to suffer the "test" - because this is where all the peaks in technology, internet, and information are. It is scary, but interesting. I still have a lot of hope. But, people who look down on the right-to-bear arms may not be so arrogant (or alive) if problems do break out.
We are seeing a repeat of many of the things that led to the Civil War. But rather this time, the argument's are not about slaves being a property right, but about information being a property right. The issue of who own's information has never been an issue before the United States, because when governments controlled the content of the press - who owned that content was never at debate. Today it is, and we should worry about the consequences (with patents too).
One more thing about the Civil War. Many have said it was more "bloody" than all the wars since. The reason why was that society had just developed the technology for new types of weapons (like machine guns and gas) but had evolved no defences for them as of yet. A grim prospect for the future if we can't controll copyrights and patents before they get out of hand.
the answer is simple, if you're true to the libertarian philosophy of it being self-evident that all individuals are endowed with certain inaliable rights - then you are against copyrights, because they are a government granted monopoly. ...but if you are one of those libertarians who doesn't give a shit about the movement, but likes hyping people up to sell books and tapes bashing anything federal - the you are for copyrights. if the libertarian party doesn't change their attitude about copyrights - sooner than later all the people who are making things happen are just going to go away somwhere else.
it's nice to know that linux is gaining popularity, but intel just has a really bad reputation for making crapy chips while spending their resources trying to monopolize innovative markets by trying screw people over with patents and licensing agreements rather than actually doing things productive.
while in theory - this wasn't a copyright issue, it was mande into one anyhow. As long as we have 'intellectual property' - problems like this are always going to happen. rulings like this are just 'intellectual property' rights brought to their logical conclusion.
lets face it, as much as you find SDMI dis-tastefull - this is simply a matter of copyrights being brought to their logical conclusion. it reminds me of the old plantation masters who thought they could justify slavery by treating their slaves as nice as they can. But the fact was that as long as you had slavery, beople were going to get beaten, abbused, and unethical things were going to happen. the same is true with copyrights. Unless you get rid of them - things like this will never go away.
the linux/internet buzz is no more a gold rush than the industrial revolution was. I'm sure that there are things in the future that will take priority, but at this point Linux and the Internet have barely just began to reach their potential. This gold-rush talk really makes no sense.
You'd be supprised how many of these problems could be avioded by simply using Lynx (the text based browser) whenever you can. It also gives you much better controll over cookies. Also, run in an xterm - you can use it to view graphics and sound. I also like the how it gives me more control over those annoying frames, and makes those adds less in the way....Just my 2 cents.
i worked at a large company that tracked consumer sales of everything. I swear, in less than a minute soneone could look up what brand of tampons you bought, at which store, at the exact time down to the minute, how you paid (cash , credit card, etc...) , what else you bought, etc... my point is that it would be extremely easy for a govt official to walk in and ask us to track any given individual - and being a big corporation who does not want to resist the flow, they would easially go for it. of course, one thing I can say - systems like this are also very stupid. There is so many people being tracked, and so much data, that it is extremely easy for people to lie about names, addresses, epsecially ssn numbers - and never even be noticed.
i don't know. I thought Java and C++ took up more space and have extra overhead. The theory was that these could eventually be optimized over time, but I don't know if it's ever happened. I've been away from the programming scene since then.
Look. I am 100% American white male who competes with these aliens. So if I may have a say: PLEASE - IN THE NAME OF GOD, LET ALIENS WORK HERE AND COME AND GO FREELY. I'm sick and tired of government trying to 'protect' me inspite of myself. Jesus Christ, this is supposed to be a free-market economey. Did it ever occur to anyone that these 'competing aliens' are coming here and writing software that makes people over 100 more productive at their work in some cases. Not to mention their contribution in building the most economicly beneficial information infrastructure ever to dawn upon the history of human kind. OH, BTW - even with the lower paid workers. Are you going to go out and work the fields to harvest our crops??? The real question isn't what to do about aliens (illegal or otherwise) but rather how to deal with such stipid statments as "there putting american workers out of jobs". Oh spare me....
You are under arrest - the charge is: You have used objects from the 'websters-dictionary-database' and re-arranged them (in the form of a sentence). Please submit yourself to the nearest police department immediately (or commit suicide) to avoid further prosicution. Thank you
Copyrights and patents were put in the US constitution as a short term incentive. Nobody - for a second - thought of them as a basic right, or a property right. That's why they had expiration dates. Unfortunately, many large corporations in America seem to think that free-markets are about markets rather than freedom and individual liberties. I'm convinced that if the founders knew what would happen with them, and could have concieved of things like the internet and the computer age. They would have abhored the very idea, and even possibly outlawed the concept.
I think it should also be noted that there is a parallel in history here. Slavery as a property right started out as short term indentured servitude, but over time became permanent, inherited, and negro-only. As tensions mounted, laws upholding slavery became harsher and more and more unreasonable - but new technologies and industries were making it harder to reconcile slavery. There were even arguments that negros need slavery to tame their 'violent-tendencies' paralleling arguments today that un-owned information and content promote dishonesty and fraud
Phony property rights have a way of being like a disease - which will grow to consume the entire host until it either dies or finds a way to fight back.
Another note about the Civil-war - it was one of the bloodiest in history because we were just starting to develop new technology like machine-guns, but not defenses for them yet. I don't know what the long term consequences of int-'property' are - but in this technical age, it could be very cold and ugly.
I was testing IBM's thin client to NT a few years ago when I realised that it was really using the X protocool underneeth and I could connect it to any box in our building that was running some type of xdm - including Linux.
even though the surface is extremely hot, the upper atmosphere is earth temperatures, earth gravity, and earth air-pressure, and lots of light. (of course it's toxic gas, and winds get up to 300mph, but it's a lot easier to make an artifical livable environment in a self contained bubble baloon station than in a vacume, of no temperature, and minute gravity) Just a thought.
echo 127.0.0.2 ad.doubleclick.net >>/etc/hosts it works better if you don't have a web server on your pc, and set port 80 to refuse connections see man ipchains on RH6.1 too for another solution
if only the original DOS was GPL'd things would have been so diferent today - I suspect that 90% of our MS problems wouldn't even be here, and what was would actually work. It just goes to show what a difference RMS has made by his decision to create the GPL so many years ago.
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government intervention in things wouldn't be necissary if the government didn't impose an unnatural property right - mainly copyrights. They're not a true libertarian property right, and without them the problems with MS and Time AOL would be impossible.
subject says it all
I found it funny that thy were distributed in binary form only. Did the FBI put in a back door to spy on peoples computer systems??
A good way to understand what's going to happen in the following years is to understand the old-south of yester-year before the civil war. At that time people just naturally assumed that slave ownership was right - and took this belief to it's logical conclusion. By Believeing this, they set themselves for bitter failure - and the same is true today. People just assume that copyrihts and patents are some type of property right, but they're not. And they were never intended to be. That's why they have an expiration date - and the bill of rights does not. They were designed to be a short term incentive to bring creative works out into the open, but can you honestly say that the MPAA and others have used them with that in mind? Face it. New technologies have put copyrights on a colision course with the bill-of-rights, which you better be prepared to fight for - because the MPAA is more than willing to escalate their position to the point of violence, so don't be suprised when they do. Just MHO.
Let there be no doubt about it. The MPAA is willing to escilate to the point of violence. They are nothing less then copy-nazis. To see what can happen when one believes he has a property right, and another believes it's not. We don't half to go back much further than the US civil-war. Not that slavery (as a property right) and copyrights have anything to do with each other, just that they are both cases where people think that they have property rights where there are none.
Your wrong.
When prohibition ended - the violence stopped almost immediately. There are several reports of packed court rooms, and backloged cases - that almost completely disapeared within the course of two months. Infact, most of the money went into family entertainment (Las Vegas) after the fact.
Drug prohibition would be the same. These people don't form in gangs (big ones at least) because of bad upbringing - they do it because they can't call the police when someone steals their cocane, so they half to defend it themselves (not an easy task when your enemies are so ruthless).
This is why gangs are so teritorial, and so often associated with violence.
The fact is that drug prohibition leads to gang violence, overcrowded prisions, and makes cold blooded killer gangstas into millionaires. It's failed us for the same reasons alchol prohibition failed us. Even if you hate drugs - drug prohibition drives the problem underground, where it is nearly impossible to be addressed openly or solved publicly.
It also creates other social problems - eg a drug using female who is raped while using cocane may not report the agressor because she fears going to jail herself.
Finally, it erodes our rights. We've had more taken away from us in the name of the war on drugs than anything else I can think of.
The Civil War was about North vs South, but if a modern day civil war breaks out - there will be no clear boundries. There are people who suffer and benefit from copyrights and patents in every local region. In addition many things that are in the interest of patents are at odds with the interests of copyrights. It would be very broken and territorial - perhaps anarchy like.
However, if any place can survive, or make peacefull resolution. I believe America can. Americans seem to have a much better ability for speaking up for their rights, and standing up for them (guns). But, America will also be the first place to suffer the "test" - because this is where all the peaks in technology, internet, and information are. It is scary, but interesting. I still have a lot of hope. But, people who look down on the right-to-bear arms may not be so arrogant (or alive) if problems do break out.
We are seeing a repeat of many of the things that led to the Civil War. But rather this time, the argument's are not about slaves being a property right, but about information being a property right. The issue of who own's information has never been an issue before the United States, because when governments controlled the content of the press - who owned that content was never at debate. Today it is, and we should worry about the consequences (with patents too).
One more thing about the Civil War. Many have said it was more "bloody" than all the wars since. The reason why was that society had just developed the technology for new types of weapons (like machine guns and gas) but had evolved no defences for them as of yet. A grim prospect for the future if we can't controll copyrights and patents before they get out of hand.
the answer is simple,
...but if you are one of those libertarians who doesn't give a shit about the movement, but likes hyping people up to sell books and tapes bashing anything federal - the you are for copyrights.
if you're true to the libertarian philosophy of it being self-evident that all individuals are endowed with certain inaliable rights - then you are against copyrights, because they are a government granted monopoly.
if the libertarian party doesn't change their attitude about copyrights - sooner than later all the people who are making things happen are just going to go away somwhere else.
it's nice to know that linux is gaining popularity, but intel just has a really bad reputation for making crapy chips while spending their resources trying to monopolize innovative markets by trying screw people over with patents and licensing agreements rather than actually doing things productive.
while in theory - this wasn't a copyright issue, it was mande into one anyhow. As long as we have 'intellectual property' - problems like this are always going to happen. rulings like this are just 'intellectual property' rights brought to their logical conclusion.
lets face it, as much as you find SDMI dis-tastefull - this is simply a matter of copyrights being brought to their logical conclusion.
it reminds me of the old plantation masters who thought they could justify slavery by treating their slaves as nice as they can. But the fact was that as long as you had slavery, beople were going to get beaten, abbused, and unethical things were going to happen. the same is true with copyrights. Unless you get rid of them - things like this will never go away.
the linux/internet buzz is no more a gold rush than the industrial revolution was. I'm sure that there are things in the future that will take priority, but at this point Linux and the Internet have barely just began to reach their potential. This gold-rush talk really makes no sense.
You'd be supprised how many of these problems could be avioded by simply using Lynx (the text based browser) whenever you can. It also gives you much better controll over cookies. ...Just my 2 cents.
Also, run in an xterm - you can use it to view graphics and sound. I also like the how it gives me more control over those annoying frames, and makes those adds less in the way.
i worked at a large company that tracked consumer sales of everything. I swear, in less than a minute soneone could look up what brand of tampons you bought, at which store, at the exact time down to the minute, how you paid (cash , credit card, etc...) , what else you bought, etc...
my point is that it would be extremely easy for a govt official to walk in and ask us to track any given individual - and being a big corporation who does not want to resist the flow, they would easially go for it. of course, one thing I can say - systems like this are also very stupid. There is so many people being tracked, and so much data, that it is extremely easy for people to lie about names, addresses, epsecially ssn numbers - and never even be noticed.
i don't know. I thought Java and C++ took up more space and have extra overhead. The theory was that these could eventually be optimized over time, but I don't know if it's ever happened. I've been away from the programming scene since then.
if there really into open source, then let them release their database so that others can copy it too.
Look. I am 100% American white male who competes with these aliens. So if I may have a say: PLEASE - IN THE NAME OF GOD, LET ALIENS WORK HERE AND COME AND GO FREELY. I'm sick and tired of government trying to 'protect' me inspite of myself. Jesus Christ, this is supposed to be a free-market economey. Did it ever occur to anyone that these 'competing aliens' are coming here and writing software that makes people over 100 more productive at their work in some cases. Not to mention their contribution in building the most economicly beneficial information infrastructure ever to dawn upon the history of human kind. OH, BTW - even with the lower paid workers. Are you going to go out and work the fields to harvest our crops??? The real question isn't what to do about aliens (illegal or otherwise) but rather how to deal with such stipid statments as "there putting american workers out of jobs". Oh spare me....
You are under arrest - the charge is: You have used objects from the 'websters-dictionary-database' and re-arranged them (in the form of a sentence). Please submit yourself to the nearest police department immediately (or commit suicide) to avoid further prosicution.
Thank you
Copyrights and patents were put in the US constitution as a short term incentive. Nobody - for a second - thought of them as a basic right, or a property right. That's why they had expiration dates. Unfortunately, many large corporations in America seem to think that free-markets are about markets rather than freedom and individual liberties. I'm convinced that if the founders knew what would happen with them, and could have concieved of things like the internet and the computer age. They would have abhored the very idea, and even possibly outlawed the concept.
I think it should also be noted that there is a parallel in history here. Slavery as a property right started out as short term indentured servitude, but over time became permanent, inherited, and negro-only. As tensions mounted, laws upholding slavery became harsher and more and more unreasonable - but new technologies and industries were making it harder to reconcile slavery. There were even arguments that negros need slavery to tame their 'violent-tendencies' paralleling arguments today that un-owned information and content promote dishonesty and fraud
Phony property rights have a way of being like a disease - which will grow to consume the entire host until it either dies or finds a way to fight back.
Another note about the Civil-war - it was one of the bloodiest in history because we were just starting to develop new technology like machine-guns, but not defenses for them yet. I don't know what the long term consequences of int-'property' are - but in this technical age, it could be very cold and ugly.
I was testing IBM's thin client to NT a few years ago when I realised that it was really using the X protocool underneeth and I could connect it to any box in our building that was running some type of xdm - including Linux.
even though the surface is extremely hot, the upper atmosphere is earth temperatures, earth gravity, and earth air-pressure, and lots of light. (of course it's toxic gas, and winds get up to 300mph, but it's a lot easier to make an artifical livable environment in a self contained bubble baloon station than in a vacume, of no temperature, and minute gravity)
Just a thought.
echo 127.0.0.2 ad.doubleclick.net >> /etc/hosts
it works better if you don't have a web server on your pc, and set port 80 to refuse connections
see man ipchains on RH6.1 too for another solution
if only the original DOS was GPL'd things would have been so diferent today - I suspect that 90% of our MS problems wouldn't even be here, and what was would actually work. It just goes to show what a difference RMS has made by his decision to create the GPL so many years ago.