"Since when does it take 50 scanners to replace 1 fax machine?"
Are you suggesting a networked scanner? Or does the whole office have to use the same computer to scan? Unless you're suggesting one of the above alternatives, yes, it takes 50 scanners to replace one fax machine. That's why there are so many fax machines out there. These folks aren't total idiots, no matter how much we like to think so.
As long as I don't have to buy a digital-to-analog converter to listen on my "old" Kenwood. Can't anybody leave anything alone anymore? What's next, a digital insert for our noses so we can smell digitally? I know, a digital condom! Why experience plain old sex when you can have digital sex! Is it April 1st already?
OK, it basically gives you the same results as Google, only it takes a lot longer. And, as I suspected, it gives you a Ben Franklin category no matter which Franklins you search for, even if you use quotation marks. It's pretty though. Conclusion: ERRRRNT!
It's a onetime fee. And there's a try-for-a-month deal, though it takes an hour to download at 56K. Beyond that, I don't know. It's only been half an hour.
What annoys me about these self categorizing engines is every time I search for Steve Franklin, they inevitably come up with a Ben Franklin category. I'm not even related to the guy!
I'm not sure what they mean by "done business" but there's no way he's going to send his own butt offshore. He's sitting right here in the good old US of A and that's really all that matters. You don't think hiring a hit man in Hong Kong to kill your boyfriend is Cleveland will somehow circumvent the law?
You may be missing the point here. At least with commercials you are getting something in return. In exchange for the presence of the commercials--whether watched or not--you get to watch Tales of the Rich and Confused, or whatever.
With spam, all you get is the opportunity to sit there and hit "select all," "delete."
No, death is a bit extreme. I think a year in prison for every spelling of Vl@gra used by spammers, with the number rising as new variations are discovered and distributed.
Yes, I was specifically referring to IALA Interlingua. And no, Interlingua is not as tightly defined as Lojban (Loglan). But Lojban is fairly difficult to learn and is not instantly recognizable. Perhaps a good compromise would be the Interlingue (formerly Occidental) of the Interlingue-Union. This is similar to Interlingua but derives its vocabulary more precisely, as does Esperanto for that manner. The advantage of an interlanguage that is easily recognizable (at least to speakers of European languages--most Europeans, Australians, North and South Americans, many Indians, and a good part of Anglophone and Francophone Africans) is that once it occurs to everybody that all this international babble doesn't make much sense in the 3rd Millennium AD, the solution is obvious and right at hand.
"It might even know the proper use of to/too and your/you're."
Yeah, but can it manage to use "There are" instead of "There is" with a plural subject?
Actually, the long known solution to most of these *oh so difficult* translation problems is to translate everything into a neutral interlanguage like Interlingua and then translate that into other languages, sending the interlingua version along for the ride, thus preventing degradation in further translations. Then all that local linguists have to concentrate on is ONE set of problems: translating their local language into and out of Interlingua, and Interlingua, being tightly defined, is much easier to machine translate into and out of other languages. So...all this lunacy of trying to machine translate Chinese into English, German, Hungarian, Estonian...--you get the picture--is an incredible waste of time and resources and isn't the best way to solve the problem.
Please keep in mind that these are not just photos. The photos are part of magazine pages that are in turn part of issues of the magazine. The court compared the CD to bound copies of the various volumes of the magazine with added indexes, which process has been going on forever and no-one ever suggested they were in a new format. Neither has anyone ever suggested that microfilm copies of said magazines were in a new format. The disconnect is that most folks think of computers as a visual medium, like TV, rather than a print medium, like, well, printing. But microfilm is not a print medium either, it is a photographic medium. So the distinction being drawn by the photographers is between film and computer images, a rather thin line to try to define. Now if the CDs contained high quality TIFF images, there would be more of a distinction, in that the photos could actually be used to make new high quality printed images. This process might even run afoul of the DMCA (God forbid!).
I was using Windows as an example of something most people don't really want but settle for because it's the only thing they can get easily. Obviously it's not cheap, and I would have expected that you would have given me enough credit not to have automatically assumed that I was an idiot. You may in the future want to consider that when something doesn't quite make sense to you that it might be because you missed something.
My basic contention was that folks do what's easiest, whether that means buying what's for sale at the local mall or just assuming that the cheapest item is the best value. These are both functions of intellectual laziness and/or weakness and thus closely related.
I normally don't shop at Walmart, precisely because I know it's mostly crap. Of late, I hardly even shop locally for anything besides clothing and really large unshippable items. I just can't find the precise thing I want for a reasonable price. So I end up doing what I've always done, shop mailorder--now streamlined by the internet. But the local outlets stay busy and the Walmarts thrive. Why? Because most folks will buy the cheapest crap they can find and will settle for something other than what they really want. Somewhere in here is the root of the problem, and that seems to have more to do with the perception that the cheapest is somehow always the best deal. I had a friend who had a degree in economics and even he couldn't get past the silly concept that cheaper was somehow better.
Until people stop settling for Windows and shoes that fall apart in six months nothing will change except the nature of the item being outsourced. I wish I had an answer to this, but I don't. Short of a wholesale shift in mindset it's not going to happen.
The only thing I can even imagine is to establish a second numerical "value" to a particular good beyond its price. Perhaps some quantifiable value assigned to it that would include such things as a Consumer-Reports-like rating, a length of warrantee figure, a guaranteed trade-in value, an ease of repair value, and the like would have the ability to draw the consumers attention away from the base price. Again, I don't see any short-term obvious solution other than to do what my great uncles did and go from being a blacksmith to being a machinist or a scrap iron dealer. In other words, you gotta go with the flow.
"But did he ever return No, he never returned, And his fate is still unlearned. He may sit forever 'neath the snows of McMurdo, He's the man who never returned."
"It's more effective to handle this at the protocol level by guaranteeing non-anonymity (or more accurately, making it so that anonymous messages, including spam, get dumped in a separate bucket that you can screen periodically via a web page and read if you want to)."
I can already put all my spam in one bucket using the rules present in Internet Explorer of any other mail reader. I don't want to have to do that.
Well, Darl McTard has under a month to keep blathering on about his hallucinated constructions in copyright law and then the big REALITY BOMB is going to catch up with him and he's going to have to provide real evidence in a real court of law and personally, I suspect he's going to get hit squarely in the middle of his one big ogreous eye by the judge for wasting everybody's time in this matter.
I guess what I was getting at was that its consistency is only meaningful if it is describing a consistent reality. If the reality is inconsistent, the consistency of the mathematics actually points toward the incorrectness of the model. There seems to be a general assumption that reality must not only be consistent but elegant. This all goes back to such issues as the immutability of the celestial sphere and the divine nature of reality, religious concepts pretty much shot out of the water by observational science. All that remains of this theological outlook is the generally perceived need for logical consistency in reality. As for what a non-consistent reality would look like, I would conditionally suggest the term "magick" might apply, though I am by no means in a position to elaborate on the mathematics of such a reality.
I believe you're missing the entire point. Mathematics is a map, a la Korzybski, that DESCRIBES reality. This is not the same as and is in fact far from being the same as the common and incorrect assumption that it EXPLAINS anything. All that can be said is that reality BEHAVES AS IF it were obeying the equations that are used to describe it. A good example to think about would be a computer pinball game in which you can change the gravitational parameters of the machine. Nothing in mathematics prevents this kind of programmed response from being invoked to explain its congruency with physical reality.
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"Since when does it take 50 scanners to replace 1 fax machine?"
Are you suggesting a networked scanner? Or does the whole office have to use the same computer to scan? Unless you're suggesting one of the above alternatives, yes, it takes 50 scanners to replace one fax machine. That's why there are so many fax machines out there. These folks aren't total idiots, no matter how much we like to think so.
As long as I don't have to buy a digital-to-analog converter to listen on my "old" Kenwood. Can't anybody leave anything alone anymore? What's next, a digital insert for our noses so we can smell digitally? I know, a digital condom! Why experience plain old sex when you can have digital sex! Is it April 1st already?
Because it's cheaper to have one main office fax machine than to give everyone with a computer a scanner.
OK, it basically gives you the same results as Google, only it takes a lot longer. And, as I suspected, it gives you a Ben Franklin category no matter which Franklins you search for, even if you use quotation marks. It's pretty though. Conclusion: ERRRRNT!
It's a onetime fee. And there's a try-for-a-month deal, though it takes an hour to download at 56K. Beyond that, I don't know. It's only been half an hour.
What annoys me about these self categorizing engines is every time I search for Steve Franklin, they inevitably come up with a Ben Franklin category. I'm not even related to the guy!
I'm not sure what they mean by "done business" but there's no way he's going to send his own butt offshore. He's sitting right here in the good old US of A and that's really all that matters. You don't think hiring a hit man in Hong Kong to kill your boyfriend is Cleveland will somehow circumvent the law?
Thank you. That was very interesting.
Now could you translate that into English?
You may be missing the point here. At least with commercials you are getting something in return. In exchange for the presence of the commercials--whether watched or not--you get to watch Tales of the Rich and Confused, or whatever.
With spam, all you get is the opportunity to sit there and hit "select all," "delete."
"Anti spammers had it all ripped apart in under a week."
You just can't get good Rumanian help anymore....
No, death is a bit extreme. I think a year in prison for every spelling of Vl@gra used by spammers, with the number rising as new variations are discovered and distributed.
Yes, I was specifically referring to IALA Interlingua. And no, Interlingua is not as tightly defined as Lojban (Loglan). But Lojban is fairly difficult to learn and is not instantly recognizable. Perhaps a good compromise would be the Interlingue (formerly Occidental) of the Interlingue-Union. This is similar to Interlingua but derives its vocabulary more precisely, as does Esperanto for that manner. The advantage of an interlanguage that is easily recognizable (at least to speakers of European languages--most Europeans, Australians, North and South Americans, many Indians, and a good part of Anglophone and Francophone Africans) is that once it occurs to everybody that all this international babble doesn't make much sense in the 3rd Millennium AD, the solution is obvious and right at hand.
"It might even know the proper use of to/too and your/you're."
Yeah, but can it manage to use "There are" instead of "There is" with a plural subject?
Actually, the long known solution to most of these *oh so difficult* translation problems is to translate everything into a neutral interlanguage like Interlingua and then translate that into other languages, sending the interlingua version along for the ride, thus preventing degradation in further translations. Then all that local linguists have to concentrate on is ONE set of problems: translating their local language into and out of Interlingua, and Interlingua, being tightly defined, is much easier to machine translate into and out of other languages. So...all this lunacy of trying to machine translate Chinese into English, German, Hungarian, Estonian...--you get the picture--is an incredible waste of time and resources and isn't the best way to solve the problem.
Please keep in mind that these are not just photos. The photos are part of magazine pages that are in turn part of issues of the magazine. The court compared the CD to bound copies of the various volumes of the magazine with added indexes, which process has been going on forever and no-one ever suggested they were in a new format. Neither has anyone ever suggested that microfilm copies of said magazines were in a new format. The disconnect is that most folks think of computers as a visual medium, like TV, rather than a print medium, like, well, printing. But microfilm is not a print medium either, it is a photographic medium. So the distinction being drawn by the photographers is between film and computer images, a rather thin line to try to define. Now if the CDs contained high quality TIFF images, there would be more of a distinction, in that the photos could actually be used to make new high quality printed images. This process might even run afoul of the DMCA (God forbid!).
"What does Windows have to do with this?"
I was using Windows as an example of something most people don't really want but settle for because it's the only thing they can get easily. Obviously it's not cheap, and I would have expected that you would have given me enough credit not to have automatically assumed that I was an idiot. You may in the future want to consider that when something doesn't quite make sense to you that it might be because you missed something.
My basic contention was that folks do what's easiest, whether that means buying what's for sale at the local mall or just assuming that the cheapest item is the best value. These are both functions of intellectual laziness and/or weakness and thus closely related.
"I need shoes.
The best ones cost 200 bucks.
The chinese ones cost 20.
I need them now.
You do the math."
To which I reply, trying not to sound too cynical, "This is precisely why you only have $20 for shoes."
"Chinese crap at Walmart."
I normally don't shop at Walmart, precisely because I know it's mostly crap. Of late, I hardly even shop locally for anything besides clothing and really large unshippable items. I just can't find the precise thing I want for a reasonable price. So I end up doing what I've always done, shop mailorder--now streamlined by the internet. But the local outlets stay busy and the Walmarts thrive. Why? Because most folks will buy the cheapest crap they can find and will settle for something other than what they really want. Somewhere in here is the root of the problem, and that seems to have more to do with the perception that the cheapest is somehow always the best deal. I had a friend who had a degree in economics and even he couldn't get past the silly concept that cheaper was somehow better.
Until people stop settling for Windows and shoes that fall apart in six months nothing will change except the nature of the item being outsourced. I wish I had an answer to this, but I don't. Short of a wholesale shift in mindset it's not going to happen.
The only thing I can even imagine is to establish a second numerical "value" to a particular good beyond its price. Perhaps some quantifiable value assigned to it that would include such things as a Consumer-Reports-like rating, a length of warrantee figure, a guaranteed trade-in value, an ease of repair value, and the like would have the ability to draw the consumers attention away from the base price. Again, I don't see any short-term obvious solution other than to do what my great uncles did and go from being a blacksmith to being a machinist or a scrap iron dealer. In other words, you gotta go with the flow.
"its all data."
"Hello, emergency? There's a man trying to break down my front door with a chain saw!"
"We apologize for the inconvenience, but this program is not responding. Please reboot your telephone and try again."
"Picky, picky, picky."
"But did he ever return
No, he never returned,
And his fate is still unlearned.
He may sit forever 'neath the snows of McMurdo,
He's the man who never returned."
With apologies to the Kingston Trio.
"It's more effective to handle this at the protocol level by guaranteeing non-anonymity (or more accurately, making it so that anonymous messages, including spam, get dumped in a separate bucket that you can screen periodically via a web page and read if you want to)."
I can already put all my spam in one bucket using the rules present in Internet Explorer of any other mail reader. I don't want to have to do that.
Well, Darl McTard has under a month to keep blathering on about his hallucinated constructions in copyright law and then the big REALITY BOMB is going to catch up with him and he's going to have to provide real evidence in a real court of law and personally, I suspect he's going to get hit squarely in the middle of his one big ogreous eye by the judge for wasting everybody's time in this matter.
I guess what I was getting at was that its consistency is only meaningful if it is describing a consistent reality. If the reality is inconsistent, the consistency of the mathematics actually points toward the incorrectness of the model. There seems to be a general assumption that reality must not only be consistent but elegant. This all goes back to such issues as the immutability of the celestial sphere and the divine nature of reality, religious concepts pretty much shot out of the water by observational science. All that remains of this theological outlook is the generally perceived need for logical consistency in reality. As for what a non-consistent reality would look like, I would conditionally suggest the term "magick" might apply, though I am by no means in a position to elaborate on the mathematics of such a reality.
I believe you're missing the entire point. Mathematics is a map, a la Korzybski, that DESCRIBES reality. This is not the same as and is in fact far from being the same as the common and incorrect assumption that it EXPLAINS anything. All that can be said is that reality BEHAVES AS IF it were obeying the equations that are used to describe it. A good example to think about would be a computer pinball game in which you can change the gravitational parameters of the machine. Nothing in mathematics prevents this kind of programmed response from being invoked to explain its congruency with physical reality.
OK already! Make that exploding wallabies....
I am not a troll! I am a vertically challenged bridge dweller. Damn bigots!