It's a terrible phrase. It purposely obscures the fact that there are legitimate reasons to hide things. It is a perfect encapsulation of everything that is wrong with authoritarian populist politics.
If tech companies ensure the government has full access, then any attempt to "keep their users as secure as possible" is useless window-dressing. So what he's actually asking for, in practice, is for tech companies to remove security for all users, all the time. What he and others just *fail to believe* is that tech companies can't break encryption for the government only. They genuinely think that a secret back door is possible. They are stupid evil fuckwits whose behaviour is made worse by the fact that they think they are on the side of the angels. Moralising litle pricks.
"Since the *latest* Clio" -- the Clio itself has been around for a very long time. There is a clear link between the latest Clio design and early Clio designs. They didn't have to start again from scratch, but they obviously did do some significant re-engineering -- but that is par for the course for evolutions of automotive design between generations.
Fortunately, the unicorn farts that are a necessary byproduct are produced on the unicorn farms, which are away from urban centres. As there's actually more than one problem to solve, to wit: 1. Carbon intensity of energy production 2. Pollution harming respiratory health, it turns out to be quite beneficial to find a pretty good solution for 2 irrespective of the extent to which you solve 1.
That is a US-centric view of the world. Chinese manufacturers are producing several low end EVs. In Europe, there's the Renault Zoe, which is not yet cheap but is fairly price competitive. It has a range of 180miles.
Oh, well the Renault Zoe I drive must be a figment of my imagination then.
Adapted from an ICE vehicle -- yes, built on a Clio platform. Big range -- yes, 180miles. Battery pack under the floor -- yes, which is one reason why it's quite a tall car despite being a hatchback.
[emphasis added] As though that's no biggie. Getting tail pipe pollution out of urban centres is a *huge* deal, especially in China. Not to mention that power plants have greater economies of scale, can use more sophisticated and effective filtering, and can be made more green over time, cf ICE.
Agree it's an interesting data point, but there's an awful lot of stew being cooked from that single oyster. It's really rather early to say that Tesla sales in HK have dried up with the removal of the tax break. And the last data point reported was April. There's been May and June since then -- surely the reporter could have gone and asked around to see if the story remained consistent, even if official figures are laggy.
Yeah, a Zoe works for three small kids in the back, no good for any more / larger than that. It'll be a fair while before there's a cheap larger EV, I'm sure.
Clearly, you can't possibly really think people are afraid of going to a filling station. Clearly, you understand that people just don't want the inconvenience. Why bother with a reductio ad absurdum like that? You surely understand the concepts of marginal cost and marginal utility, don't you?
And as for the last statement: who has an EV that requires 10 hours to charge?! Mine takes 3 hours max, at home. If I'm out and about, it can be done in 45mins.
Anyway, clearly, you want different things from a car from me. That's fine. But the weird thing is, you seem terribly anxious to denigrate my choices and those of other EV drivers, and explain to us that the things we value, aren't good things to value. That's... odd.
Leaving aside the weird segue into socialisation (pretty sure most of us don't treat gas stations as a major opportunity to practice talking to other human beings), you seem to be struggling with the idea that because X isn't important to you, it may yet be important to other people. Recharge time and the peace of mind of a full charge every morning turn out to matter to quite a lot of people.
Yes, I can see you wouldn't want one for your circumstances. Other families will take a different approach, of course.
Incidentally, here in the UK, you can buy a 3 year old used Renault Zoe for as little as £5k. That would work v well as a town runabout -- assuming the purchaser's daily driving was 50miles or less (fairly common for a town runabout, I'm sure).
I guess we disagree about mainstream readiness, then. In my view, there's a way to go, but a combination of falling prices and somewhat better range is all it will take for the case to become compelling enough for many users to switch at their next purchase. I wonder what percentage of US households have two cars and off-street parking (and don't live in super-rural areas)? Those are the group most likely to see a large percentage switching for one of their cars, in my view.
YMMV, as they say. If you want the peace of mind of knowing your car can be refuelled quickly at any filling station, and don't care for advantages such as home re-charging, destination re-charging, free re-charging (for Tesla), re-charging at shopping malls, supermarkets etc, then an EV is certainly not right for you. But the leap from "not right for me" to "not right" is a big one. Our family is very happy with our little Renault Zoe, with its 80mile range, something you would no doubt find absurdly limiting. We barely charge it once a week (at home -- we've charged it using a public charger three times in two years). We live a different life from you, no doubt.
Que? I have never needed to drive my Renault Zoe (with a paltry 80 mile range) because it was charging at home. Because it charges overnight, when I'm not driving. How is this difficult to understand?
In 2015, 42% of EU28 residents lived in apartments. 58% lived in houses. So it's an issue but there's plenty of room for growth before it becomes a huge issue. On the point of reserved parking, there's chargers being incorporated into lamp-posts now.
7.7kW is common for EV at home now in the UK. But that's single phase. If you're lucky enough to have three phase at home (not common, but possible), you can get 22kW. That would charge a 60kWh Tesla in about three hours.
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You have no idea how ridiculous that comment is in the context of a very *very* right-wing home secretary.
It's a terrible phrase. It purposely obscures the fact that there are legitimate reasons to hide things. It is a perfect encapsulation of everything that is wrong with authoritarian populist politics.
If tech companies ensure the government has full access, then any attempt to "keep their users as secure as possible" is useless window-dressing. So what he's actually asking for, in practice, is for tech companies to remove security for all users, all the time. What he and others just *fail to believe* is that tech companies can't break encryption for the government only. They genuinely think that a secret back door is possible. They are stupid evil fuckwits whose behaviour is made worse by the fact that they think they are on the side of the angels. Moralising litle pricks.
Diversity of energy supply is a good thing and reliance on single source is a bad thing
"Since the *latest* Clio" -- the Clio itself has been around for a very long time. There is a clear link between the latest Clio design and early Clio designs. They didn't have to start again from scratch, but they obviously did do some significant re-engineering -- but that is par for the course for evolutions of automotive design between generations.
Both and, not either or
Fortunately, the unicorn farts that are a necessary byproduct are produced on the unicorn farms, which are away from urban centres. As there's actually more than one problem to solve, to wit:
1. Carbon intensity of energy production
2. Pollution harming respiratory health,
it turns out to be quite beneficial to find a pretty good solution for 2 irrespective of the extent to which you solve 1.
That is a US-centric view of the world. Chinese manufacturers are producing several low end EVs. In Europe, there's the Renault Zoe, which is not yet cheap but is fairly price competitive. It has a range of 180miles.
Oh, well the Renault Zoe I drive must be a figment of my imagination then.
Adapted from an ICE vehicle -- yes, built on a Clio platform.
Big range -- yes, 180miles.
Battery pack under the floor -- yes, which is one reason why it's quite a tall car despite being a hatchback.
just moved its tail pipe to the powerplant
[emphasis added]
As though that's no biggie. Getting tail pipe pollution out of urban centres is a *huge* deal, especially in China. Not to mention that power plants have greater economies of scale, can use more sophisticated and effective filtering, and can be made more green over time, cf ICE.
Agree it's an interesting data point, but there's an awful lot of stew being cooked from that single oyster. It's really rather early to say that Tesla sales in HK have dried up with the removal of the tax break. And the last data point reported was April. There's been May and June since then -- surely the reporter could have gone and asked around to see if the story remained consistent, even if official figures are laggy.
Did the WSJ really publish a story based on just a single month of data showing a fall in sales?? That is ridiculous.
Yeah, a Zoe works for three small kids in the back, no good for any more / larger than that. It'll be a fair while before there's a cheap larger EV, I'm sure.
Clearly, you can't possibly really think people are afraid of going to a filling station. Clearly, you understand that people just don't want the inconvenience. Why bother with a reductio ad absurdum like that? You surely understand the concepts of marginal cost and marginal utility, don't you?
And as for the last statement: who has an EV that requires 10 hours to charge?! Mine takes 3 hours max, at home. If I'm out and about, it can be done in 45mins.
Anyway, clearly, you want different things from a car from me. That's fine. But the weird thing is, you seem terribly anxious to denigrate my choices and those of other EV drivers, and explain to us that the things we value, aren't good things to value. That's ... odd.
Leaving aside the weird segue into socialisation (pretty sure most of us don't treat gas stations as a major opportunity to practice talking to other human beings), you seem to be struggling with the idea that because X isn't important to you, it may yet be important to other people. Recharge time and the peace of mind of a full charge every morning turn out to matter to quite a lot of people.
Yes, I can see you wouldn't want one for your circumstances. Other families will take a different approach, of course.
Incidentally, here in the UK, you can buy a 3 year old used Renault Zoe for as little as £5k. That would work v well as a town runabout -- assuming the purchaser's daily driving was 50miles or less (fairly common for a town runabout, I'm sure).
I guess we disagree about mainstream readiness, then. In my view, there's a way to go, but a combination of falling prices and somewhat better range is all it will take for the case to become compelling enough for many users to switch at their next purchase. I wonder what percentage of US households have two cars and off-street parking (and don't live in super-rural areas)? Those are the group most likely to see a large percentage switching for one of their cars, in my view.
Edge cases are all very well, but I was referring to a solution that 99% of gas car users could adopt.
You're very kind.
YMMV, as they say. If you want the peace of mind of knowing your car can be refuelled quickly at any filling station, and don't care for advantages such as home re-charging, destination re-charging, free re-charging (for Tesla), re-charging at shopping malls, supermarkets etc, then an EV is certainly not right for you. But the leap from "not right for me" to "not right" is a big one. Our family is very happy with our little Renault Zoe, with its 80mile range, something you would no doubt find absurdly limiting. We barely charge it once a week (at home -- we've charged it using a public charger three times in two years). We live a different life from you, no doubt.
Que? I have never needed to drive my Renault Zoe (with a paltry 80 mile range) because it was charging at home. Because it charges overnight, when I'm not driving. How is this difficult to understand?
Come back to us when you can refill your F-150 at home, overnight, with under ten seconds of activity.
I guess you mean i3?
In 2015, 42% of EU28 residents lived in apartments. 58% lived in houses. So it's an issue but there's plenty of room for growth before it becomes a huge issue. On the point of reserved parking, there's chargers being incorporated into lamp-posts now.
7.7kW is common for EV at home now in the UK. But that's single phase. If you're lucky enough to have three phase at home (not common, but possible), you can get 22kW. That would charge a 60kWh Tesla in about three hours.