Yep that's it. I hate to break it to you, but the world is dangerous place with many dangerous people
Yeah, and many of those dangerous people were trained by the CIA who were too busy protecting US commercial interests abroad (often gleefully ignoring even the most basic notion of human rights) to consider that it might actually come back to haunt them later.
I don't mean to come off as a racist or anything, but seriously. when you are in fact a terrorist, wouldn't it make sense to sharpen up a little, maybe try and cut down on the co-worker-thinks-im-a-terrorist-because-i-look-lik e-this factor
Have you considered the possibility that they might not have let him near razor blades?
Sorry, I forgot - its ok for them to use terrorist tactics against non-Americans but not against Americans, because non-Americans are sub-human. Thanks for reminding me.
Because the Talaban sheltered Al Quaeda, provided them land to build training camps, and refused to give up their leadership even after the attacks of 9/11?
The Taliban asked for proof before giving up the leadership. It is called "extradition", and it is exactly what any government does when another government requests that a person be handed over to their justice system. Afganistan was an easy target for US vengance after 9/11, if they wanted to get the real culprits they might have had more luck if they overthrew the Saudi monarchy.
That is no more damning than when a captured US soldier is forced to denounce the actions of their government by their captors. We have no idea what kind of threats were made against that guy before his "confession" was extracted.
Or he's just guilty. No fluffy bullshit, he did what they said he did. People DO comit crimes, you know.
Yes indeed, but thanks to the fact that the justice system in the US these days is effectively thrown out the window the moment the word "terrorist" is mentioned - we will never really know whether he was innocent or guilty, will we?
With the threats they probably used against him he would probably have said that black was white if they wanted him to. The list of those that agree to pleas but later are proven innocent is longer than most people might imagine. Consider being given the choice of pleading guilty and serving 5 years, or fighting it out in what must at this point appear to him as a frighteningly hostile environment, and serving 20 - what would you do, guilty or not?
I worked with him and thought, up to now, that he was innocent.
With the threats he was probably subjected to before agreeing to this plea - he would probably have said black was white. The number of people that plead guilty to crimes that they are later proven innocent of gets longer every day.
The website is somewhat disappointing, and for some perplexing reason they want to keep their autopilot system closed source. If they had even the slightest flair for the dramatic they would set up a page which tracks the plane's progress in real-time on a map from their satellite telementary system.
All in all, I was much more impressed by the Balloon 1.0 project, even though an unpowered balloon isn't half as cool as a powered and automatically guided RC aircraft travelling such a huge distance unaided.
Does anyone have any good links for other projects in a similar vein which aren't so coy about the gory technical details?
I doubt the Jews and communists would appreciate your calling them terrorists
Stop being an ass - I didn't call them terrorists, I drew a parallel between the way that demonizing people is dangerous, and the way that people are demonized as "terrorists" today is very reminiscent of the way that Jews and communists were demonized in Nazi Germany. In fact, it was a terrorist act, the burning of the Reichstag (which the Nazis said was perpetrated by Communists) that justified many of the changes to the law that allowed Hitler to become a dictator, and permitted the establishment of concentration camps.
had a constitutional mandate to crack websites and encourage individuals to blow stuff (or people) up
Citizens don't need the government's permission for everything they do or say, but the government needs the constitutions permission to restrict the actions of citizens.
The founders of the US were traitors to the crown, so if I were a loyalist, I would put them in prison. Since I didn't live then, I can't guess which side I'd be on.
Great, so you think that the US government's treatment of its citizens should be modelled on the British monarchy's treatment of its subjects during the war of independence? Glad we clarified that.
So, is that where they're keeping the script kiddies now? You've completely changed the subject.
Not at all, you will notice that the reason he pleaded out was due to the threat of 20 years being added to his sentence because he is a "terrorist". The parallels are clear - yes, this might be the thin end of the wedge (although a year in a federal prison is no party for a 20 year old geek), but it is a fucking big wedge.
It may be, but it's silly to cry, "Nazis!" every time someone is unfairly punished.
Wrong - it is silly not to cry "Nazis!" when they are the best example of what can happen when words like "terrorist" are used to demonize people, justify the curtailment of free speech, and circumvent the justice system (although in the Nazi's era it was words like "communist" and "jew").
I didn't say demon; you did.
Very observant, doesn't really address the point though.
This guy maliciously interfered with other people's sites and advocated violence.
George Bush advocates violence in what he claims is a good cause. The founders of this country advocated violence - would you have them put in prison too?
Are you seriously trying to compare this situation with Nazi Germany?
Deadly serious. Haven't you noticed the first American concentration camp off the cost of Cuba? Haven't you noticed how this camp is being used to subvert the justice system, just as they were in Nazi Germany (this was their original purpose before the wholesale slaughter of their inhabitants). Haven't you noticed the construction of execution chambers at this new American concentration camp?
This guy was a vandal. Maybe defacing the sites was his form of "speech," but most societies prevent their citizens from beating each other senseless (outside the ring) to express themselves as well
Yeah, and defacing a website is really the equivolent of beating someone senseless. It is wrong to vandalize websites, just as it is wrong to vandalize a wall, but it certainly not deserving of a year behind bars.
Maybe you're another anarchist
Ah yes, demonize those that disagree with you, assign them labels to make it easier to treat them as non-humans, we have seen your type before.
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Furthermore, he took the plea bargin
Only because of the massive risk involved due to the 20 year terrorism extention to his sentence. You would be surprised how many innocent people take a plea bargin because they are scared shitless of what could happen if they lose. Additionally, he didn't actually get the sentence he bargined for - the judge doubled it after the agreement had been made!
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Before you try to convince yourself that you are safe because you are different from this guy in X ways, remember that they always come for the easiest targets first, but if nobody speaks out then, then it will only be a matter of time before they come for the rest of us.
Surely people can't just go around telling lies which cause serious damage to people's business? I mean, if MacDonalds can sue some hippies for handing out fliers critical of them, then why can't the Linux community do the same to SCO?
This view seems to becoming more prevalent. An illegal action or device is banned or otherwise action taken against, and people just ignore it because it doesnt suit them.
It is the responsibility of every citizen to ignore dumb laws.
Absolutely correct - Blender's UI is needlessly cryptic, and resolving these issues would not impede the experienced user if done intelligently. People who think that they need to reinvent years of GUI design expertise just because their particular application is unique simply don't understand GUI design - period.
For the love of Mike, most Slashdot readers here are geeks; they build their own machines, not buy machines bundled with Windows.
That may be pretty naive. I seem to remember hearing that the % of hits to slashdot from Internet Explorer were rather higher than one might imagine given the anti-M$ bias of the site. I am as fanatical about Open Source as they come but I use Windows because that is the primiary platform for which I develop software.
If you want to transmit something secretly then encrypt it! If you idea of secret communication is speaking in another language then you sorely need to learn more about cryptography.
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Get a clue - Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia, the Soviets invaded Afganistan.
Sorry, I forgot - its ok for them to use terrorist tactics against non-Americans but not against Americans, because non-Americans are sub-human. Thanks for reminding me.
Wake up - things aren't so black and white - one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
That is no more damning than when a captured US soldier is forced to denounce the actions of their government by their captors. We have no idea what kind of threats were made against that guy before his "confession" was extracted.
With the threats they probably used against him he would probably have said that black was white if they wanted him to. The list of those that agree to pleas but later are proven innocent is longer than most people might imagine. Consider being given the choice of pleading guilty and serving 5 years, or fighting it out in what must at this point appear to him as a frighteningly hostile environment, and serving 20 - what would you do, guilty or not?
All in all, I was much more impressed by the Balloon 1.0 project, even though an unpowered balloon isn't half as cool as a powered and automatically guided RC aircraft travelling such a huge distance unaided.
Does anyone have any good links for other projects in a similar vein which aren't so coy about the gory technical details?
Before you try to convince yourself that you are safe because you are different from this guy in X ways, remember that they always come for the easiest targets first, but if nobody speaks out then, then it will only be a matter of time before they come for the rest of us.
Surely people can't just go around telling lies which cause serious damage to people's business? I mean, if MacDonalds can sue some hippies for handing out fliers critical of them, then why can't the Linux community do the same to SCO?
Absolutely correct - Blender's UI is needlessly cryptic, and resolving these issues would not impede the experienced user if done intelligently. People who think that they need to reinvent years of GUI design expertise just because their particular application is unique simply don't understand GUI design - period.
If you want to transmit something secretly then encrypt it! If you idea of secret communication is speaking in another language then you sorely need to learn more about cryptography.
...the ants did.