Ok, First thing, I work for Network Associates. How come I haven't heard about this? I directly support Mcafee's Licensed AntiVirus software. (which is pretty good, unless you've got a novell network;)
Usually they tell us alot of stuff which we aren't allowed to disclose to the public, etc, release dates, known issues, etc, etc, etc, but since that is related to the product, and this is related to the business, does that mean they can't tell us? Most of my direct associates here have stock in Network Associates. How will this affect them? Mcafee IS Network Associates. Network Associates is not just Mcafee, but Network General as well. Its not two big companys in a co-op, its an actual corporation, a physical entity. How in the world does this work? I am at a loss and my boss has not heard of this either.
Lets assume for a moment that life here on earth was 'created' instead of spontaneously appearing (to me which seems very unlikely, but not impossible). In my opinion, with conditions as they were at the time life first appeared here, it seems to me that this planet may have been seeded by something else. Aliens? God? Who knows? Am I crazy? It would answer a great deal of questions and produce a few more, the biggest of all, "Who Seeded Earth?" Perhaps it was a terraforming project that was forgotten about by some other extraterrestrial race. Perhaps they were just visiting here and decided to drop their garbage here which had bacteria in it.
I'm not a religious person, I'm agnostic, which means I have an open mind. Feel free to shoot holes in my theory.
This is an unfortunate charecteristic of humanity. I think that K said it best in MiB, A person is smart. People are dumb, stupid, paniky creatures and you know it
Must be something to do with 'I want to conform, everyone else is paniking, so I'll panic too' I dunno. I don't claim to understand mob psycology. Also pardon my atrocious spelling;)
I posted this a few days ago, but it was a few threads deep and alot of people didn't see it. I think that it is away around all this political bullshit. Freedom Bound is the webpage. Everyone check it out, slashdot the site, I'm sure that if its legitimate, the admins of the webpage will love the publicity. I want to go through a few of their programs and I'd like a few opinions of fellow slashdot readers on them.
If this place is legitimate, and enough people go through their programs or take action similar to what this company offers, then it might cause those certain people with shit all over their heads from years of having it stuck up theirs and other peoples butts will take notice that WE WILL NOT BE RESTRAINED!
I couldn't read the website (slashdott'd;) but I'm sure it would have really pissed me off.
I don't know about you, but to me, Freedom is the most important thing ever. If we do not have freedom, who are we but just insects? we live, we eat, we breed, we die. I'll be DAMNED if anyone is going to reduce me to that.
All else fails, we should take advantage of the clause in the constitution (not that it would matter if it was there or not) that says we should overthrow this governemt, install a new one, one with a constitution which COMPLETELY RESTRICTS the freedom of the goverment! No loopholes!
Call me a little extremist, but I'm just as willing to die for what I believe as the great people who started this country (and they were great people, just those they entrusted this country to were less than great). They can take our lives, our land and possesions, but they will NEVER take our FREEDOM!
Damn all those exclamation points;) Anyway, what you said is very true, and I think I might have found a way around having any of that BS. I'd like people to check it out and see if its legitamate before I make a move. I want my constitutional rights damnit and their not being supplied! I want Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness (my happiness is total and complete privacy, plus alot of other things which are 'against the law'. you can shove it if you think its impossible)
I've been thinking about using their services to cancel my social security contract with the government under the basis that when I signed it (with my footprint, or whatnot) I was not aware of the full implications of the contract and therefor by law it is void and an act of fraud. There are also a few other contracts which I would like to have canceled. For chrissakes! I was less than 2 days old when I got 'signed' my social security contract, there was NO way I could know what I was getting into. I've already berated my parents for signing it, but it wasn't really their fault either because they didn't know as well.
What it sounds like, when you are not bound by the social security contract, you (obviously) don't have a ssn, don't have to have social security, or really any tax taken out of your pay check, don't have to answer to the IRS at all (I might be wrong on this one, refer to the link I supplied for more accurate information). You are not required to register your vehichle, have insurance on it, or have drivers license, because you are no longer a driver, but you are a traveler. As a traveler, you don't have to follow traffic laws and state and local cops have no jurisdiction over you. (I'd still stop at redlights and go the speed limit, crashing into another car isn't that fun)
Someone tell me I'm smoking crack or completely right. Please help, I need more opinions on this company before I commit $850 to them. It sounds too good to be true.
I don't think this is something the government can truly enforce. Even IF they started doing it, I would simply develop some quick and dirty software to do something very similar so I could still communicate with friends and family. Sorry, Fuckem, their wrong on this one (are they ever right?)
Of course I thought about it. I fucking said and I said that it needs change now. Apparently you did not read what I wrote. What makes me a hypocrite. I fucking practive what I preach! (well, I don't get laid enough, but thats beside the point). TV? OBVIOUSLY you didn't read my post. How would you know what TV I watch? Well, even thought it is beside the point, I will tell you how much TV I watch: NONE! I hate the TV, its a religiously biased, intellectually insulting piece of dogshit. Your simply pissed because I'm insulting your beliefs. I told you at the top of the article that if you were a religiously biased person, don't read this. You obviously didn't read that either... -deimos-
First, I would like to make a disclaimer. What I say may offend you if you are a hardcore religious person-- READ NO FARTHER, that is if you are not a logical person. I enjoy and for the most part agree with Jon Katz's work, this and the hellmouth article I particularily agree with. There are two main reasons behind censoring. Those two main reasons are Security and Religion.
Security: People are afraid of death and or pain in general, and with good reason: pain is unpleasant and death is a complete unknown to everyone who is living. In response to this primal fear of death, our race has invented the 'Sanctity of life' Thats right, we made it up. To quote George Carlin, "If everything that was alive is now dead, and everything thats alive now is going to die, wheres the sacred part?" People feel that since they cannot stave off the the inevitable hand of time, they can at least live their life as long as possible. There is nothing wrong with this. The problem arises when certain people, usually middle class, church going people feel the need to restrict others so they and their children can remain safe. The tradeoff of freedom/security is usually not a very good thing. My question: Who are you to say what I can and cannot do, as long as I don't infringe upon your rights to do what you want to? The rights of one individual stop where the rights of the next individual start. If I want to watch a movie, I want to watch a movie, you have ABSOLUTELY NO right to say which movies I can and cannot watch based upon their content. This goes for anything else I want to do which harms no-one. If I want to take a hit off the bong or jack up until I bleed, who cares? Most certainly you don't you just want me to not become violent and kill or hurt you. You say they will make me a violent person? What are the chances of that? If everyone who ever took a hit, watched an action movie or a porno even SLAPPED someone for every movie they watched, or every toke they took, we would have cadavers stacked higher than the empire state building and the stench alone would make people worry about more important things (what are we going to do with all these stiffs?). How is it that you know me better than my parents? How is it that you know me better than I know myself?
Religion: Where in this hell did this beast even come from? I'll tell you, religion came from the need to know what was going to happen after death. We most certainly have a primal fear of death (of course, if we're dead, how can we pass our genes on, if an organism isn't scared of death, then he has a pretty bad chance of passing his mutant genes on to his offspring) Since we were scared of it, we needed something to explain and protect it from its harsh reality. To date, as far as we know, there is NOTHING after death. There is also NOTHING to disprove life-after-death as well, so simply stated, WE DON'T KNOW!! People flocked to a religion because most of them promised everything, and followed the very bad saying, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" Generally, if something is too good to be true, it is. Certain people in higher ups in these religions (When I about religion, I talk about christianity, all the way from catholics to primitive baptists, they are all in the same boat, as far as I'm concerned, the rest of religions with only a few exceptions, are not a bad thing) decided that sex was a sin. They did this because they wanted to fuck the women and remove the peasants from the competition!! Instantly, everything that felt good, was a sin. Today, the end result of this rather good idea (hey! who doesn't want to get laid?) is the taboo on anything sexual. It'll spoil our kids they say, bullshit, if ANYTHING, it'll educate them. I see absolutely nothing wrong with my kids watching porno's because I would much rather them be sexually proficient, to be able to return the favor (from American Pie) than just hear about it, want to do it and care not about who/what they do it with or about them. Besides, if they are more profficent, they now have a better chance of passing on MY genes to the next generation and continuing my silent legacy, recorded in my desendents DNA. There is nothing wrong with the human body, it is a good example of how evolution works. In my opinion, its also a very appealing thing to look at. (some views may differ, some people like horses better, oh well, whatever floats their boat)
The whole thing makes me sick to my stomach, but it IS a result of evolution. What we must do now, our risk extinction as a species, is to evolve to the next step-- enlightened self-intrest. An it harm none, do what thou wilt. Throw out this religious crap and THINK for yourselves instead of letting someone else think for you. Its not that difficult, in fact, it feels rather good (another sin?).
I say that because I'm not entirely sure of the distinction between the two. Point is, Mrs. Reno is willing to trade OUR freedom for security. Lets say that the scenario she presents actually happens. Who cares? A few deaths. I don't know about alot of you out there, but I would much rather have total freedom and little to no security. I'll protect myself with the glock on my hip. If I fail, oh well. I'm just one person out of 7 billion.
This goes back to the 'sanctity of life' bullshit people have gotten into their heads. Whats so sacred about life? Absolutely nothing. People will say life is sacred because God says so. Well, look through the bible and you'll discover that God has been one of the leading causes of DEATH! George Carlin (hilarious comedian, very smart person) put forth this very good point and I support it fully. 'If everything that was alive, is now dead, and everything that is now alive is going to die, wheres the sacred part come in?'. Anyway, thats offtopic.
People feel that life is sacred and therefore would rather trade their freedom for security. Bottom line. In fact, MOST of the politicians in washington today have one or more views that are socialist. With this, I totally disagree. Unfortunatley, I would vote if it would make any difference. You can't exactly vote out of office a socialist if his competition is also a socialist. Doesn't quite work. Clinton, in hiring Reno, has proven that he has socialist views as well. Given, he has been good for this country, economy is up, inflation is down, in the long run, it will be for the worse.
I would assume that since you say that anyone who knows whats going on would not use an IDE, that you don't know that CodeWarrior is what John Carmack uses. I guess he doesn't know what he's doing then right?
I do not use IDE's. I don't really feel in enough control of whats going on. I can perfectly well understand why someone would want to use them. How can you just say that anyone who uses an IDE doesn't know whats going on?
How can we expect the media to refer to people who use computers for illegal activity such as breaking into systems as crackers when we cannot seem to do this ourselves. Think People!
I hate microsoft. Wanna know why? I don't want them and they're extremely agressive (and IMO immoral) marketting techniques forceing me to use a shabby product. I won't drive a car that crashes on at least once weekly, and neither will I run an OS which does the same. MS's goal is NOT to futher the computer market, they are out to make money and nothing more. Let the dumb people drop their change on microsh*t. I'm gonna use what I want, when I want.
He said something about taking a great big backwards step? Why the hell not? If you run too fast you trip and bust your nose anyway. And thats beside the point, I don't see how he can call linux a step back. I don't want my browser to be part of my OS. IMHO, an OS should do one thing-- DEVICE INTERFACE, and linux does just that.
MS is only there cuz they got lucky and they realized, "Hey, I bet we can make a pretty penny off dumb people"
And one more thing, what the hell are you doing reading/.? This is a LINUX oriented page, you KNEW you were going to get flamed up one wall and down the other. WHY PISS US OFF? To make a point? You have made no point. You've proven yourself exactly the opposite of what you said you were, rather intelligent my butt, more like a f*cking retard. Sit on it and rotate!
Andrew Moenk
Who says we can't write code for it? I have coded under win32, then I found linux and said 'screwit!'
If someone is capable of cracking a mirror with their visage (i unfortunatley know a few people who can), then I would not be one to take their picture with this camera =) (Mebe we can trick Bill gates into taking a picture of monica's ass with one, that would get rid of two problems...)
They put a winmodem in the 3.1 machine? First of all, I worked Tech support for a large ISP and winmodems, IDEPENDENT of the OS, took much longer to get the freeggin POS's to work in the first place. Also, I was under the impression that Win 3.1, if it doesn't have some sort of error correction or flow control, first time you try to tax the harddrive or CPU justa little bit, disconnection is the result. Winmodems are simple really crappy DA converters with no hardware flow control whatsoever, which is why if you run win (of anything) and you playing an mp3, you disconnect. Basically what I'm trying to say is what kind of a moron would use a winmodem in a test in the first place much less on a win3.1 box. Oh yeah, I forgot, he was told to make 3.1 look like it sux... sorry..
*eep!* argh, you dirty mouthed people actually got me post! I'm so embarressed.
What kind of people are you? I certainly don't go around calling people a 'dolt' or a 'stupid fucker' esp in public just because they happened to be mistaken on something. C'mon people, we geeks can be more civilized than that.
I don't even see why this is worth posting too. Who cares? Freshmeat will be back up, its nothing to whine about. Redhat just made a dumb move. Its not going to change anyone's opinion of redhat, if you don't like it, you'll stay that way and if you like the fact that they make linux so easy my mom could install it then this isn't going to change anyones opinion right?
Can someone lend me a hand? These things are heavy and I'm having problems fitting it all in my car... (I wish) hehe, looks awesome, but I think the chair should be tilted back more just a hair and monitors should be lifted just a little higher and angled down. From what the article says, this probably wouldn't be a problem.
I heard that all(if not most at least) of the free email/search-engines/webservice get their money by selling their statistics to statistic's companies. Of course, advertisement on the side, but places like yahoo couldn't really make their huge profits from just that one simple banner they have. I would suggest emailing some of the major sites and asking them. I may be totally wrong and way off =)
Slashdot Mirror
Usually they tell us alot of stuff which we aren't allowed to disclose to the public, etc, release dates, known issues, etc, etc, etc, but since that is related to the product, and this is related to the business, does that mean they can't tell us? Most of my direct associates here have stock in Network Associates. How will this affect them? Mcafee IS Network Associates. Network Associates is not just Mcafee, but Network General as well. Its not two big companys in a co-op, its an actual corporation, a physical entity. How in the world does this work? I am at a loss and my boss has not heard of this either.
I'm not a religious person, I'm agnostic, which means I have an open mind. Feel free to shoot holes in my theory.
Must be something to do with 'I want to conform, everyone else is paniking, so I'll panic too' I dunno. I don't claim to understand mob psycology. Also pardon my atrocious spelling ;)
If this place is legitimate, and enough people go through their programs or take action similar to what this company offers, then it might cause those certain people with shit all over their heads from years of having it stuck up theirs and other peoples butts will take notice that WE WILL NOT BE RESTRAINED!
I couldn't read the website (slashdott'd ;) but I'm sure it would have really pissed me off.
I don't know about you, but to me, Freedom is the most important thing ever. If we do not have freedom, who are we but just insects? we live, we eat, we breed, we die. I'll be DAMNED if anyone is going to reduce me to that.
All else fails, we should take advantage of the clause in the constitution (not that it would matter if it was there or not) that says we should overthrow this governemt, install a new one, one with a constitution which COMPLETELY RESTRICTS the freedom of the goverment! No loopholes!
Call me a little extremist, but I'm just as willing to die for what I believe as the great people who started this country (and they were great people, just those they entrusted this country to were less than great). They can take our lives, our land and possesions, but they will NEVER take our FREEDOM!
The company is called 'Freedom Bound'
I've been thinking about using their services to cancel my social security contract with the government under the basis that when I signed it (with my footprint, or whatnot) I was not aware of the full implications of the contract and therefor by law it is void and an act of fraud. There are also a few other contracts which I would like to have canceled. For chrissakes! I was less than 2 days old when I got 'signed' my social security contract, there was NO way I could know what I was getting into. I've already berated my parents for signing it, but it wasn't really their fault either because they didn't know as well.
What it sounds like, when you are not bound by the social security contract, you (obviously) don't have a ssn, don't have to have social security, or really any tax taken out of your pay check, don't have to answer to the IRS at all (I might be wrong on this one, refer to the link I supplied for more accurate information). You are not required to register your vehichle, have insurance on it, or have drivers license, because you are no longer a driver, but you are a traveler. As a traveler, you don't have to follow traffic laws and state and local cops have no jurisdiction over you. (I'd still stop at redlights and go the speed limit, crashing into another car isn't that fun)
Someone tell me I'm smoking crack or completely right. Please help, I need more opinions on this company before I commit $850 to them. It sounds too good to be true.
-=Deimos=-
I hope this guy is smoking something because I want a K7 reeeeaaaalll badly *drools*.. ooh.. kayy seven.. hmm, nice, ppur-purty,. gimme. ;)
I don't think this is something the government can truly enforce. Even IF they started doing it, I would simply develop some quick and dirty software to do something very similar so I could still communicate with friends and family. Sorry, Fuckem, their wrong on this one (are they ever right?)
Damn straight, I agree with you every step of the way deimos
Of course I thought about it. I fucking said and I said that it needs change now. Apparently you did not read what I wrote. What makes me a hypocrite. I fucking practive what I preach! (well, I don't get laid enough, but thats beside the point). TV? OBVIOUSLY you didn't read my post. How would you know what TV I watch? Well, even thought it is beside the point, I will tell you how much TV I watch: NONE! I hate the TV, its a religiously biased, intellectually insulting piece of dogshit. Your simply pissed because I'm insulting your beliefs. I told you at the top of the article that if you were a religiously biased person, don't read this. You obviously didn't read that either... -deimos-
The whole thing makes me sick to my stomach, but it IS a result of evolution. What we must do now, our risk extinction as a species, is to evolve to the next step-- enlightened self-intrest. An it harm none, do what thou wilt. Throw out this religious crap and THINK for yourselves instead of letting someone else think for you. Its not that difficult, in fact, it feels rather good (another sin?).
Peace..
-Deimos-
Dead wrong? How is speaking out againsts the removal of freedom dead wrong?
Your right, curiousity is in our makeup. Unfortunatley, It makes up about 10% of our composition. the other 90% is greed. I find this really sad.
Actually, freedom means having right to do anything you please as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of someone else.
I say that because I'm not entirely sure of the distinction between the two. Point is, Mrs. Reno is willing to trade OUR freedom for security. Lets say that the scenario she presents actually happens. Who cares? A few deaths. I don't know about alot of you out there, but I would much rather have total freedom and little to no security. I'll protect myself with the glock on my hip. If I fail, oh well. I'm just one person out of 7 billion.
This goes back to the 'sanctity of life' bullshit people have gotten into their heads. Whats so sacred about life? Absolutely nothing. People will say life is sacred because God says so. Well, look through the bible and you'll discover that God has been one of the leading causes of DEATH! George Carlin (hilarious comedian, very smart person) put forth this very good point and I support it fully. 'If everything that was alive, is now dead, and everything that is now alive is going to die, wheres the sacred part come in?'. Anyway, thats offtopic.
People feel that life is sacred and therefore would rather trade their freedom for security. Bottom line. In fact, MOST of the politicians in washington today have one or more views that are socialist. With this, I totally disagree. Unfortunatley, I would vote if it would make any difference. You can't exactly vote out of office a socialist if his competition is also a socialist. Doesn't quite work. Clinton, in hiring Reno, has proven that he has socialist views as well. Given, he has been good for this country, economy is up, inflation is down, in the long run, it will be for the worse.
-Deimos-
I would assume that since you say that anyone who knows whats going on would not use an IDE, that you don't know that CodeWarrior is what John Carmack uses. I guess he doesn't know what he's doing then right?
I do not use IDE's. I don't really feel in enough control of whats going on. I can perfectly well understand why someone would want to use them. How can you just say that anyone who uses an IDE doesn't know whats going on?
How can we expect the media to refer to people who use computers for illegal activity such as breaking into systems as crackers when we cannot seem to do this ourselves. Think People!
I hate microsoft. Wanna know why? I don't want them and they're extremely agressive (and IMO immoral) marketting techniques forceing me to use a shabby product. I won't drive a car that crashes on at least once weekly, and neither will I run an OS which does the same. MS's goal is NOT to futher the computer market, they are out to make money and nothing more. Let the dumb people drop their change on microsh*t. I'm gonna use what I want, when I want.
/.? This is a LINUX oriented page, you KNEW you were going to get flamed up one wall and down the other. WHY PISS US OFF? To make a point? You have made no point. You've proven yourself exactly the opposite of what you said you were, rather intelligent my butt, more like a f*cking retard. Sit on it and rotate!
He said something about taking a great big backwards step? Why the hell not? If you run too fast you trip and bust your nose anyway. And thats beside the point, I don't see how he can call linux a step back. I don't want my browser to be part of my OS. IMHO, an OS should do one thing-- DEVICE INTERFACE, and linux does just that.
MS is only there cuz they got lucky and they realized, "Hey, I bet we can make a pretty penny off dumb people"
And one more thing, what the hell are you doing reading
Andrew Moenk
Who says we can't write code for it? I have coded under win32, then I found linux and said 'screwit!'
If someone is capable of cracking a mirror with their visage (i unfortunatley know a few people who can), then I would not be one to take their picture with this camera =) (Mebe we can trick Bill gates into taking a picture of monica's ass with one, that would get rid of two problems...)
They put a winmodem in the 3.1 machine? First of all, I worked Tech support for a large ISP and winmodems, IDEPENDENT of the OS, took much longer to get the freeggin POS's to work in the first place. Also, I was under the impression that Win 3.1, if it doesn't have some sort of error correction or flow control, first time you try to tax the harddrive or CPU justa little bit, disconnection is the result. Winmodems are simple really crappy DA converters with no hardware flow control whatsoever, which is why if you run win (of anything) and you playing an mp3, you disconnect. Basically what I'm trying to say is what kind of a moron would use a winmodem in a test in the first place much less on a win3.1 box. Oh yeah, I forgot, he was told to make 3.1 look like it sux... sorry..
HOLY COW! I posted again! /me hides in the corner chargrined...
*eep!* argh, you dirty mouthed people actually got me post! I'm so embarressed.
What kind of people are you? I certainly don't go around calling people a 'dolt' or a 'stupid fucker' esp in public just because they happened to be mistaken on something. C'mon people, we geeks can be more civilized than that.
deimos@kfa.cx
I don't even see why this is worth posting too. Who cares? Freshmeat will be back up, its nothing to whine about. Redhat just made a dumb move. Its not going to change anyone's opinion of redhat, if you don't like it, you'll stay that way and if you like the fact that they make linux so easy my mom could install it then this isn't going to change anyones opinion right?
Install a real Distro-- Go slackware.
Flame away.
Can someone lend me a hand? These things are heavy and I'm having problems fitting it all in my car... (I wish) hehe, looks awesome, but I think the chair should be tilted back more just a hair and monitors should be lifted just a little higher and angled down. From what the article says, this probably wouldn't be a problem.
I heard that all(if not most at least) of the free email/search-engines/webservice get their money by selling their statistics to statistic's companies. Of course, advertisement on the side, but places like yahoo couldn't really make their huge profits from just that one simple banner they have. I would suggest emailing some of the major sites and asking them. I may be totally wrong and way off =)