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Red Hat and Freshmeat Temporarily Down
Several people wrote in to say that they can't connect
to Red Hat or Freshmeat today- the reason is that Red Hat
is moving offices and they have a bunch of servers in
transit. Everything will hopefully be back in place soon,
so hang in there.
Is it just me or does RedHat seem to truck their servers around the country a lot? They should establish a network operations center and be done with it.
That's no reason for their servers to be unavailable.
I would expect that people vending an operating system like linux would KNOW how to do a successful migration/transition. If they REALLY don't know, they could have asked any third rate ISP out there who has switched uplink providers (and there are hundreds of those). The really sad thing is that they probably knew for weeks ahead of time...
Over all, piss poor for an organization that wants to provide 24/7 support for linux. I guess the clear choice, by active demonstration, is IBM.
and no, I use Debian... as if it matters...
I thought something seemed wrong cause I was going to lookup something at RH. So I figured, "Hey I know I'll check on ./"
Anyway, what's Freshmeat got to do with RH ?
So they dont have backup servers, and cannot just
set them up at the new location, and 'rotate'
the role's of the various boxen. Hmmm... this
is so primative that I could have mistaken them
for running Windows NT.
I know there *are* quite a few mirrors.
All it takes is a nameserver that resolves
de.eu.mirrors.freshmeat.net
But if they move, there might not be too many
people entering fresh meat anyway.
So long,
Steffen
Please "hang in there" and call back after we obtain a clue about how to run a successful internet business. Thank you for your patience (and time and money).
Thank god for the distributed nature of the Linux and OSS community. It keep moron for actually harming the movement.
Please "hang in there" and call back after we obtain a clue about how to run a successful internet business. Thank you for your patience (and time and money).
Thank god for the distributed nature of the Linux and OSS community. It keeps morons for actually harming the movement.
Next month's edition of Uptime in LinuxWorld (or at least an upcoming article) will include a diary of an ISP change, which would probably work well for moving offices as well.
When we switched from ISP A to ISP B, the transition was done over a weekend, we had both ISPs still connected, and had only a few hours of downtime on a Sunday afternoon. By Monday morning, all was well (for the most part - e-mail, web, and FTP services were working).
Wouldn't you know it...I pick the perfect day to try to install RedHat 5.2. I keep getting the "error opening directory" message when I try to point the install program to the directory where I downloaded the RedHat files. Apparently this is a common error when trying to install RedHat 5.2 from a FAT drive and there is an errata page at: http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/errata.html that explains this and the solution. But guess what I can't to. I searched www.dejanews.com and haven't found a solution yet. Oh well I may have to wait a little longer unless some /. reader can help me out.
Both nameservers of redhat.com are unavailable, meaning that mail will bounce. This is really lame.
With redhat beeing the largest distibutor this could be damaging Linux' reputation as a whole imho.
More distributor lameness: Try downloading something from ftp.suse.com (like the most recent isdn-snapshot which you need for kernel-2.2.1). No way.
Have you tried using a mirror? Or is that just to easy?
Every time I go to freshmet I get a different mirror apparently served from a different host. Were they all in the same building?
HELLO REDHAT! You are trying to market the world's most advanced operating system over the Internet. I would expect a little better PR than to go down (even pre-announced) during daytime on a weekday.
Yes, I finally managed to get in there too, only to get a screen saying
;)
Acces denied. We have currently 200 out of 200 possible users.
Please look up one of our mirror sites. You find a list of
our mirrors at -> http://www.suse.com/ftp.html
Your S.u.S.E. Team
During the last hours though traceroutes didn't get though. OK, OK, probably not so much their fault. I got some anti-linux-conspicary feeling though
Apologies.
Umm, like there are mirrors for suse out there!
which only goes to show gnome==redhat
Jeez what a bunch of whiners..
If you dont like it go work for redhat and show em how its done. Since you dont pay for gnome or freshmeat i dont think you have ANY place to be bitching. Considering RedHat gives so much to the community and all you do is take take take i say you Leeches need to go reinstall windows and bugger off.. Microsoft.com is always up.
Yeah, couldn't they have at least put up a piss poor server stating that they're off line right now and will be back up on MM/DD/YYYY @ HH:MM. (note that this is y2k compliant ;-)
This just gives fuel for those anti-linux people out there.
Red Hat is a couple blocks from us. IIRC they are just moving down the street a little bit. Not around the country.
Also, they were on the local news last night. Saw some faces to go with familiar names. They looked to be totally packed up and ready to move. I doubt anything is getting done right now besides the move.
I'd settle for one friggin redhat contrib mirror that had a current copy of wwwoffle 2.4 rpm. Seems the only place it exists is on redhat unless I want a version 4+ months old.
I checked the Case Sensitivity several times and this wasn't the prob. I finally did find a solution on dejanews.com. It seems like the original Redhat 5.2 installer can't read from a FAT directory. The solution that just worked for me is at http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=426508062&CONT EXT=917636780.1262354608&hitnum=1 titled "possible solution for 'Error opening directory'" originally posted in the newsgroup linux.redhat.install on 12/28/98. But thanks for the suggestions anyways.
Their backup.
No, just because something is free does not mean that quality becomes a privilege. Your attitude only helps to fuel this capitalistic monopoly we call "computing."
-sorry to be an anonymous coward but I don't have much time nor bandwidth right now where I am.
Which only goes to show you==moron
Red Hat hosts their web site and helps in the effort, but GNOME != Red Hat. Why complain about a company helping a free software project? BTW officaly GNOME is a GNU project.
The one which generates the most traffic, or at least by studying web log histograms..
I'll bet you US$1000 that the country which drives the most traffic to www.redhat.com is the USA.
Think before you post..
Hey, if they can afford me, I'd be happy to do it..
gnome.org
freshmeat.net
gtk.org
gimp.org
are all hosted by redhat.
If you want some more, wait till its back
up, then wander over the DNS system and get
a dump of its DNS records.
The United States. Red Hat is a US company and should be doing this in the middle of the night EST.
... and backdown again. *sigh*
well, last time i checked Red Hat was making money. and since RedHat is the most prominent Linux distribution in the media, i do think they have a responsiblity to represent the Linux in the best light possible, since their entire business is based on the freeness (as in beer and speech) of Linux..
Not always. Sometimes the circumstances are out of your control. I worked at a fairly large ISP in Chicago and once helped orchestrate a very complicated office move which was moving the servers only to a different location in the building. Because of telco incompetance (common in Chicago) it went about as un-smoothly as possible. The whole thing took serveral hours longer than it was supposed to, and some of the machines never came back up, requring even more crisis management.
:-), and should have tried to have a server in place to respond to queries. But in our case, for example, we did not receive adequate notice to furnish offsite dns and offsite storage with the information for another server in time.
RedHat should do this durring the night (In the USA at least
Cut 'em a little slack.
Yes, because monitoring another mailing list is such a difficult task.
What about their backup? I think you mean "They're backup".
If RedHat wants to help, they can make a donation from the money from those several hundred thousand shrink-wrapped boxes they sold last year.
No I don't spend much time there. Just a quick look every few days, but that's not the point.
I assumed that the "RedHat" connection was that they ran that software and nothing more.
Oh no, ZDNet has already jumped on this. See the article on the ZDNET site called ' Linux: "Reliable"? Apparently not '. Here is an excerpt that looks pretty bad: ;-(
--- begin excerpt ---
We have all probably heard countless times just how "reliable" Linux is when compared to Microsoft products. Yet, a quick visit to the Red Hat web site (www.redhat.com), _the_ premier commercial distribution of Linux, resulted in a "Server Not Responding" error.
No thanks, we at Ziff-Davis shall stick to Windows NT for the time being.
--- end excerpt ---How's that for FUD? ;-(
By the way, I'm just kidding.Where have you been living? Don't you know this is the age of "me dammit!!"
Take good ol Slashdot here. Nearly every post has some, "This isn't interesting to me, dammit. Slashdot can go to hell!!" Or a nice story on KDE, "KDE isn't for me, so by golly it had better disappear from this universe immediately!" There's several other items one could substitute in there.
So, I don't find it all that unusual that if a site goes down, everybody gets all pissed off. Then again, people blame RedHat for allowing newbies to use Linux and ruining it for them. So, you'd think they would enjoy this downtime.
hosting with redhat would yield better bandwidth.
ftp.cc.gatech.edu had it up, /pub/Linux/distributions/redhat, then find your way around.
check out http://www.users.fast.net/~rod smith/rhjol-fat32.html.
It's RedHat what do you expect?
We're not complaining. We are trying to let RedHat know that they are being unbelieveably stupid. You can't market a zero-downtime OS with downtime.
Physical movement of primary servers is no reason to take down 2 websites for most of the daylight hours of a regular business day.
A MUCH better plan would be to setup some dummy servers in the new location first, then, an hour later, take down the primaries and move them. Up them. Then move everything else. No downtime and you don't look like fools to the community.
I think you'll find Telco incompetence to be :-(
a global problem. In the UK we have to put up
with BT
I hear what you're saying about having backup
off-site, but I still think it's a strange error
for a company like RH to make
ditto
Damn straight!
In case you don't know, RMS started the "free beer" vs. "free speech" comparision (as far as I can tell).
the site seems to have been down all day! wouldnt it have been a little wiser to do this at low traffic times? to late now anyways, i have reformatted and installed debian which has a nice set of mirrors all over the place.
You forgot 3.5, 4.5, 6.5, and 7.5: Figure out how to blame it on Microsoft or on the "broad Red[mond]- Wing Conspiracy.
And also 8.5: Figure out a way to blame Microsoft for your own failure to make it work.
If you were running a REAL unix, you wouldn't have this problem...
For real unix, see *BSD
Freshmeat still down 0015 EST Jan 30.
:-(
Freshmeat has numerous mirrors all over, but the primary DNS shuttle is freshmeat.net (.e.g, mirrors.ny.freshmeat.net).
With RedHat's DNS being down, no one can get to these either.
Perhaps someone remembers the names of one of the firms doing the mirroring and can write their postmaster to post the IP addr(esses) here?
Honestly, the mirroring scheme shouldn't depend on the redhat DNS being up! (There ought to have been offsite DNSes that had the mirrors addrs.)
Yeah I know telcos suck but that's no excuse for such high profile operations as Red Hat, GNOME, and Freshmeat to be offline for an extended period of time.
People really do get fired for stuff like this. Any professionally employed sysadmin will tell you so. This was a big screw up on somebody's part. I don't blame Red Hat as a whole, just some damn poor excuse for a sysadmin, or yet another goddamn pointy-haired "IT manager" who denied a sysadmin the resources needed to do this right.
Moving can suck bad, but it can be done with minimal, if any, interruptions in service. There should at least have been a host to connect to and a "sorry, come back later" splash page. Shee-it, what a piss poor operation. I'd quit a company that fscked up that badly.
Hate to say it, because I'm very happy with RH Linux, but this is a bad sign. If they can't get something like this right... maybe it's time to check out Debian.
As for cutting them some slack, hey, _I've_ been down this road, only it was a shoestring ISP startup five years ago that could barely afford to make rent, not a booming high profile software company recently re-infused with venture capital from megacorporations.
I'm willing to bet that RedHat will be keeping the same IPs as before. Which means that the actual T1 has moved, and this duplicate server/backup stuff would *not* work. Once the T1 drops, the T1 drops. Then they run the servers over while the telco guys bring the same T1 back up, just pointed at different buildings. There are reasons for everything.
I thought RedHat's Robert Young was down-playing RedHat's viability when he claimed that it would take 20 years for RedHat to be a competitor with Microsoft in a Washington Post article about the MS trial. ("We Don't Outdo Windows -- Yet", By Rajiv Chandrasekaran Thursday, January 21, 1999; Page E01)
Before today, I believed that RedHat was a near-term (5-10 years) competator to Microsoft.
It is obvious that RedHat lacks the simple logistics to accomplish this feat. You can bet Microsoft hasn't in the past purposely disconnected itself from the 'net for any reason. (Sure their server software sucks and their OS is far from efficient as far as web hosting, don't get me wrong.) I'm just saying they know not to do stupid things that will loose them customers.
RedHat is a business, they should act like one.
-john
All i'm hearing is "waaaaa!!! waaaaa! RedHat sux... they're like NT admins... waaaaa!!! I think I might use Debian from now on... waaaa!!!"
For christsakes ppl, do you have _any_ clues? Or must you flame anything? Have you ever been involved in an equipment migration?
Yes they probably could have prevented an outage, but if it wasn't for very long it may just not have been worth it, and there may have been other circumstances we don't know about... sheesh you all sound like a bunch of whiny uni students.
Oooohhh... the Redhat site is down... world in crisis!!! Do you need the RH site to be up all the time? Is it _that_ useful?
Just settle down a little ok? You guys make us all sound unreasonable and childish.
AndyM
It is unfortunate that these Telco problems occur. However, the Internet has several ways to alleviate the problem. RedHat/Freshmeat have used 2 of these (ftp/www mirroring), but not the major one - DNS "mirroring". Delegating the domains to an offsite slave DNS server would mean that the major part of the problem could be alleviated.
FWIW, UK Redhat FTP mirrors are:
ftp://ftp.dreamtime.org/pub/linux/redhat/
ftp://ftp.sunsite.org.uk/packages/linux/
Another that I have down is the AU one:
ftp://ftp.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/
Hopefully this will be of use to some people.
Ivan
bitch and complain, bitch and complain
so they cant access a page for a day or so, boofuckinghoo
as for you people whining about bad pr, how many
companies decided on this very day to say 'Hey, I think I'll go to the redhat site, and choose an operating system based on if their page is running or not?'
and they're still down...
I don't have time to sit around all day reading e-mail. When I try to get to a major web site that I expect to be up 24/7 and find it down, I start to worry about the stability of the software and hardware they run.
WTF is http://www.progressive-comp.com/Lists?? If I was going to browse the redhat-announce list archive I would have went to www.redhat.com. I've never even heard of the other URL. My gripe was I NEEDED to find something on freshmeat.net and it was down for so long I gave up in disgust and had to use other measures to search for it. Pretty bad when I don't find out why it was down until I read it on /.
BIG RED IS BACK ON LINE !!!!!
COOL !!!
:|
Afraid so. 8-(
Sure Microsoft's site has been down. And for tons of reasons. But never because they purposely and knowingly disconnected their servers from the Internet.
-john
This sounds like a sy.net comment IMHO...
.-
morex
I have never had colocation fail me..
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:46:17 -0500
From: djb@redhat.com
To: redhat-announce-list@redhat.com
Subj: Notice: Red Hat will be off the 'net!
Red Hat Software is moving to new offices. The part of that move that involves our internet connection and servers will happen this afternoon and early evening, EST. We hope to be back to life quickly, but with these things you never know.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We should be running normally by late evening or tomorrow at the latest.
--Donnie
The users must be left with the perception that RedHat cares and knows what they are doing. Furthermore, the users must be left with the fact that Linux is fault tolerant and is highly avalailable.
The only reason that a Linux server should be unavailable is due to administrator incompetance - and that is exactly what has happened.
I like RedHat but hey, this is totally unnecessary! How about a mirror that users are automatically shunted to - huh?
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
What's wrong with a commercial organization funding a GNU project? It's hardly hypocrisy, since GNU has no objections to businesses making money off of software so long as they don't restrict access to the source. Red Hat's popularity isn't locked in. Most, if not all, of their tools and niceities are under the GPL--including RPM. Also, Red Hat is still a small company.
"If GNU were to so chose, would they at anytime be in a position to say that they will host the primary web/ftp sites themselves instead of redhat?"
If Red Hat tried to play power games, they would probably get branded as 'the Microsoft of Linux' and both flamed and boycotted by the Linux community. Remember, there's not much to stop people from using another distribution. If Red Hat were to cut off GNOME for moving its servers, it would probably hurt GNOME but Red Hat as well.
Posted by Bill, the Galactic Hero:
1) Hanging would cut off my oxygen supply, and I would die.
2) Even if I were suicidal, I'd just blow my brains out.
3) If all I had was some rope, I'd much rather hang in here. I cleaned the place up recently.
hehe. lets create havoc. lets move our stuff in the daytime.
hehe. lets be different. lets move our stuff in the daytime.
I was shocked to find out that RedHat's gopher site is down!! How could they do such a thing? :^)
Slashdot's first reaction to VMware
What is getting me is that for the longest time I've been trying to get things off the mirrors, but guess what? There is nothing in the (yada)Redhat/RPMS directory, anywhere!
~ ~^~~^~
Whats up with that? How am I supposed to install via FTP? Is this just some way of making me buy the CD?
*grumble*
^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~
ABORTED effort:
Close all that you have.
Its not the money, Superman.
^ ~~^~~~^~~^~
Its the GPL, which says that it needs to be freely distributable...
^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^
ABORTED effort:
Close all that you have.
I'm sorry, but that's piss poor business to have your server down during business hours and it makes Linux look bad.
Well sure, there's the time issue - but business hours in the country it's located in, U.S.A.
All very true...
Since the bulk of RedHat's traffic probably ends up going to US systems, and that bulk tends to reach a minimum while the US sleeps, it's logical to assume that RedHat's average bandwidth usage reaches a minimum during the night hours in the US.
That explains why gnome-list is so quiet today. :-)
Daniel
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
Sadly, it's the truth... you just don't take servers offline like that.. at least the www.
Ummm, yup, this is pretty easy to do, except if you expect to get hammered with hits as soon as the temporary server is put online. Since that server would be handling all hits for redhat.com, gnorme.org, rhad.org, and the related ftp sites, the temp server would get hammered to a degree that would bring almost all systems to their kneees.
I've been in this situation, and agree that it is better to suck it up and take a couple of days of complaints than to attempt an interim fix that is likely to create more problems than it solves.
Cudos to Red Hat for recognizing this.
If you were a paying customer of Red Hat support, syou didn't miss a single minute of support.
Can you say duhhhh? Can you say luser? what is it with all of these stupid responses without a clue?
Think about it for a minute. You are moving a server that has a huge number of hits for both the Red Hat and gnome domains. The hardware that has been handling these hits is not tiny. When you propose thowing up your old Pentium 90 to stand in for this server, do you even have a clue how many hits it handles?
Red Hat did the honest thing for this communn\\\ity. They told us that they would be down while moving. That is Enough for me. I have moved an entire data center / server room and it was not a simple matter. In fact it took planning for months in advance to avoid downtime, yet there was downtime. We are talking six months of advance planning... but still there was downtime.
Freshmeat is hosted by Red Hat.
silly freshmeat.
Well, yeah. But to be reasonable (and yo0u really should be reasonable, if you feel the need to go down at all), you should go down during a time period when your traffic is at its lowest. Typically, that's night-time in the United States. (Yes, that's daytime elsewhere... but most traffic still originates in the U.S.)
Slackware.com, for instance, gets most of its hits right around lunchtime, EST.
Try tx.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net or ct.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net, unfortunately, i think these mirrors are stale because the core freshmeat server hasn't been updating them because they are down.
It gets better:
fwhois freshmeat.net
*snip*
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.REDHAT.COM 207.175.42.153
SPEEDY.REDHAT.COM 199.183.24.251
Which is why I can't use the mirrors. Nobody's pointing to them.
Red Hat just doesn't have their shit together.
subscribe to a few.
It gets to be a pain in the ass.
You miss the point.
The idea was to announce, ahead of time, that they would be experiencing downtime. Posting it to their mailing list only gets that half-done. Of course everyone's going to find out after the fact.
Not that experiencing downtime for a server move is anything but unprofessional on their part, to begin with...
Was down early this morning (OK, early for me... Before noon anyways, PST), still down at 6:40PM PST... Temporary?
This was really poor planning on RedHat's part. I doubt they expected to be down for this long, but it doesn't matter; they should have had some sort of temporary measure up anyway. Can't update Freshmeat? Big deal; keep up a little server that shuttles people off to the mirrors; there's a lot more to Freshmeat than its new-software service (I've been in rather bad need of its search feature, actually; I'm trying to upgrade to 2.2.1 and I need to get the right modutils but can't find it anywhere). Can't host gnome.org? Fine, but at least get one small page up listing the homepages of various software (I've been looking for gdm).
And so on and so forth and whatever. Really, RedHat shouldn't have done it like this. They should have expected Murphy's law to kick in at some time around noon so they couldn't get back up in time, and had a plan just in case that happened. But they didn't. Hopefully they'll learn from that little mistake.
It's true that it's daytime in several timezones all of the time.
However, you'd think that RedHat would at least have the sense not to move during the daytime in its own timezone.
While this is from experience with the local telco to Redhat (GTE), a lot of this is conjecture. It'd be interesting to hear from somebody there what really happened once they're back online. When doing a server move like this, you're also moving your circuit. RedHat has a DS-3, which is a lot more work for the telco to move than a DS-1. What they would have done would be to coordinate the physical move and having GTE move the DS-3 (GTE is the only DS-3 loop provider in their area AFAIK) at the same time. Due to IP issues it can't be active at both ends at once. What probably happened was that Redhat went down, moved their machines, and found out that GTE screwed up with the circuit. AFAIK they have a single DS-3 and no redundancy, which is pretty common, especially since they're on the GTE RTP SONET ring, so additional circuits would all come off of the same SONET, so they wouldn't get much of any real redundancy anyway. GTE is very well known for being late in installing things. (I'm from that area. I worked for an ISP a few minutes from Redhat last summer.)
ERROR: Null
When /. upgraded their coonection in july or august (can't remember) and when the DNS services where so SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW on upgrading the info - I always had to use the IP for the first 4 dyas
none Yet.
If I was running a business that needed not much bandwidth for the office (t1 would be fine) but wanted to run its own servers that needed mad crazy bandwidth (>10mbit), I'd colocate to a big ISP. Why pay for running unnecessary leased lines?
I may have to do this soon anyway. ADSL to the office and a colocation plan is the way to go...and your servers never have to move again, no matter where you go.
This is halfway off topic, but not quite...
/etc/conf.modules with: /usr/bin/sfxload /etc/midi/GU11-ROM.SF2
/proc/interrupts are both clear. The kernel gives me messages similar to:
/proc/pci)
I have a SB32 (ct 3600) that doesn't work right under RH5.2. I fixed it before on 5.1 with an article in the mailing list archives, but I can't remember how. Seeing as Red Hat site is down still, I'm up shit creek without a paddle in a stone canoe.
I have the SOB configured in
alias sound sb
options opl3 io=0x388
alias midi awe_wave
post-install awe_wave
options sb io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330
isapnp.conf is set accordingly. All of the modules exist. Sndconfig tries to play the sample.au file, but all I hear is "Hello, th..." and then silence. I configured it in sndconfig as an AWE32, and then a SB16, then a SBPro. Nothing works.
I've tried it on IRQ 5 and 7, which according to
Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
SB 4.13 detected OK (220)
sb: Interrupt test on IRQ{5,7} failed - Probable IRQ conflict
Here's my current IRQ listing...
IRQ 4: Com1 on MotherBoard
IRQ 3: Supra Express 33.6 PnP (working- with the help of ISAPNP)
IRQ 5,6,7: Open
IRQ 8: rtc (What's this?)
IRQ 9: USB (according to
IRQ 10: Open
IRQ 11: aha152x
IRQ 12: eth0
IRQ 13: Math Error (any kernel gurus know WTF this is?)
IRQ 14: IDE0
IRQ 15: IDE1
I fixed it before, anyone have any clue how to do it again? I need my mp3s. I think I'm going through withdrawals....
Thanks,
Geoff Davis
Thanks for your response, and for the pointers on what those funky irqs were. I fixed the problem...
I know I should have probably done this before, but I recompiled the kernel. I didn't even have to reboot into the new one, just a make modules and a depmod -av against the newly compiled modules, and suddenly the SOB came to life. Freakin' RedHat precompiled kernel.
My reccomendation to you would be to try the same thing. It's kinda like the magical 3 reboots of love in NT and 95... three reboots and all of your strange vxd problems go away, and NT suddenly remembers it has a kernel somewhere on disk. If it doesn't work, recompile it.
Arrggh.
/Geoff
Right Arm Dude! Power to the persons!?!
No, really I like Slack. I learned on
it and am just more comfortable with it.
And yea, RedHat is EASY to install.
How the heck are we supposed to take advantage of the last early-bird discount day when the friggin servers are being moved? That sounds like a severe lack of planning. The woman that answered the questions # didn't even know the servers were down or being moved. Thanks RedHat!!!
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
Sheesh... read it... he SAYS he's joking!
It was a good joke too!
Man.
So, what are you whining about?
Your Servant, B. Baggins
Missed it the first time, but rtc is Real Time Clock, I don't have it listed myself, so did you compile the RTC into your kernel either as a component or a module?
Time flies like an arrow;
Time flies like an arrow;
Fruit flies like a bananna
This is so news-worthy, it shouldn't be burried in a thread... You hear that Cmdr Taco, this needs to be it's own topic heading!!!!
Time flies like an arrow;
Time flies like an arrow;
Fruit flies like a bananna
... It seems to be what the linux/slashdot community does best.
freshmeat.net is hosted by RedHat
(not just the software, their actual servers)
You don't spend much time at Freshmeat, do you?
Question Reality, Find Your Own Truth...
Oh I see....people don't have time to read a relevant mailing list but they do find time to log into /. and post complaints on 5-6 topics a day.
I see...
Thanks for clearing that up.
sick'em
The smtp protocol is fairly rebust, and includes specs for retrying. I think it goes something like 1 minute, 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 1 hour, each hour for 24 hours, once per day.
Fatal error on the fifth day.
Or something like that. Mail should just be delayed, not bounce, well, unless you send your mail by
telnet redhat.com 25
HELO
etc.
:-)
They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- C. Sagan
This was announced on the GNOME front page, the first news item on Wednesday. It was planned for yesterday (the move) I think, but it was announced at least on the gnome-mailing list that it would be done for a few hours today instead.
I know I will be moderated down for this, but . . . Vincent
I don't even see why this is worth posting too. Who cares? Freshmeat will be back up, its nothing to whine about. Redhat just made a dumb move. Its not going to change anyone's opinion of redhat, if you don't like it, you'll stay that way and if you like the fact that they make linux so easy my mom could install it then this isn't going to change anyones opinion right?
Install a real Distro-- Go slackware.
Flame away.
more FUD from the MS propaganda machine. great reporting, using a web browser as your source.
no joke!!! me too!!
"All that glitters is not gold"
Oh yeah, them movers love working at night.
dar "Not a slave to fashion."
My other Slashdot ID is much lower.
">By the way, I'm just kidding. ;-)"
Calm down. That means he didn't really see it. Neither did I, and I looked. In fact, I found a story about NT2000. Fairly nice to MS, till the end, where the author said a Unix-type server would already do it all, for far less cost.
********* sig: If you don't like the law, get filthy stinking rich, and buy a better one.
> Cololocations are by far the worst of
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/rebooting devices you have if a
:> Like Yahoo, gamespot.com, talkcity.com, quote.com?
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> all connections to run a business from.
I beg to differ!
> First of all you have no power to control your > network.
Most decent coloc facilities allow you 24/7 access to the facility. Most control of a network can be done remotely, anyway.
> Secondly, you are relying on the company's
> technical support. I don't care how many master > switches
Console servers, remote power boot, spanning tree, and other methods _DO_ work quite well.
> Colocations are for small time people.
Small time?
-Kysh, a Debian user
--=:: Wings and tail and snout and scales of blackest night
You would think that RedHat going off-line is the equivalent of nuclear catastrophe!
They announced it in advance in the proper location for such announcements (yes, Virginia, that would be their mailing list) and are pretty much sticking to their game plan.
Ferchrissakes, its not going to harm "the movement". Relax, have a drink, do a downer...whatever. Downtime is NOT the end of the world..as long as its scheduled. Try that with an NT network