that reminds me of a south african (white) who came to the US and wrote his race down as african-american. well, he was born in africa and he relocated to america...
but what a big stir it caused when he listed himself that way.
Rather than actually investing in their country (IE, find smart HS / College kids and train them) they'll go to any lengths to just import the indentured servants to do the work.
this is a case where corporations are not acting out of long-term stability for the local economy and the government (yes, the big bad government) should step in and right this wrong. the business world is not going to self-govern in this regard and so someone more neutral has to do it. this IS the purpose of a government, afterall, to keep the country on track when it starts to go astray.
yet, the government, these days, is a 'shit on us and then run' kind of government. they don't care about long-term stability of the country, either! the old guys want to keep their money, die with it (or give to their kids) and hoard it all, starving the economy and bringing us all down. but ideally, its the government who SHOULD step in and rebalance what industry seems unwilling to do.
...not with the individuals who take the opportunity to get out of that rape-infested shithole
its somehow ok that we help other nationals; but what about our OWN??
look, they have a shithole of a country, granted. but leaving the country and coming here is not going to fix india. what it does is help ruin the workforce here for those who are invested HERE and want to stay HERE.
its time to cut off immigration. we have more people than jobs and we owe a living to our own people, first.
this is how EVERY OTHER COUNTRY WORKS. find me another country that favors immigrants over its own nationals. go ahead - I'll wait.
when the US was still a growing country, it made sense to import labor. but now, the job situation is in collapse and we simply cannot keep importing more people who will work for less and displace our own.
sorry if it sounds harsh, but your own people HAVE to come first. every other country works that way. its time to shut the borders and let things converge for the next 10 or so years. the race to the bottom is going to be the economic collapse of the middle class and we simply cannot afford to do that. I fear there can be no recovery once we hit bottom, like that.
I know a lot of american workers - really skilled and experienced - that have been out of work for a long time. and yet, we have asians and indians staffing the bay area tech companies and it stinks to high heaven. its clearly discriminatory (not necessarily mgmt, but the team members who are indian tend to vote for their fellow desi's and reject american workers. tell me this isn't true and tell it to me with a straight face.)
and so, if we had numbers on this, we could SHOW, with data, that this widely-known issue is true. once its known, it could be dealt with and repaired.
all we want is fairness. what we have now is a huge imbalance and pretty extreme racism where locals can't even get a chance to compete for local jobs. its sickening.
companies should be fined for this shit. its ruining this country and destroying what's left of the tech middle class.
in the last few decades, there has been mass mind-reprogramming that seems to convince people that 'profit above all else, to the exclusion of all else' is what american companies are supposed to be about.
but go back to our grandfather's days and you would find social responsibility (which was hard fought for, during the union days). companies DID care and they DID shoulder the burden during hard times, because they saw value in the INVESTMENT in their work force! it was common for people to work at the same company for 20, 30 even 40 years!
find anyone like that today. I dare you. if you find someone working 20 yrs at the same place, its extremely rare.
this is now how it used to be. and don't accept that this was always how it was and how its meant to be. that's brainwashing by the new capitalists who are no better than white collar criminals, these days.
So joke all you want, those that do make it to US are rather smart and hard working.
sorry, not my experience at all (20+ years in the bay area and I have tons of experience with indians). they THINK they are good, but the code quality, design quality and attention to detail is far below par.
I hate saying that. I really do, but it tends to be true. indians study by memorizing and they tend to be great at that; but when it comes to thinking things thru, they fall down. the education system encourages rote memorization.
sadly, this is the standard operating procedure for the bay area, at least. it seems every local company is filled with immigrants and to find a local walking in the hallway is a rare sight.
you know the drill and the standard term for it: race to the bottom.
HP is no different from all the rest. respect for employees is non-existent and employees are expected to 'pay' the price for any bad performance of the company.
in fact, standard operating procedure for the bay area is not to even hire fulltime people anymore. most companies cheap-out by starting you off as a contractor, making YOU pay your healthcare costs, unpaid vacation, unpaid sick time and no on the job training. you do that for 6mos or more (saving the company money and costing YOU, instead) and maybe they will convert you to perm. maybe.
all the while, the company saved a huge amount during those 6mos and YOU funded the company and carried THEM on your back.
hey, lets shift costs that we used to bear over to the employees. what are they going to do - strike? hahahaha.
(sigh);(
I can't wait until I'm of retirement age. this new american 'work ethic' is pissing me off big-time.
no one I know aspires to work for HP anymore. its not a choice place of work anymore.
not sure what quality of person still works there. like SGI, it was once a giant and the talent pool was first-class; but like SGI, there's no talent left and its a shell of what it once was.
(funny that they both used to be big unix workstation companies, too)
agilent used to be good. for high end gear, they probably still are; but it seems they have fallen down quite a bit over the years.
HP - they are useless, now. when they were more than a printer-ink company, they were a force to be reckoned with. now, they are a printer-ink and pc whore.
it does not matter if we disallow relgion in a written document.
in the USA of jesusland, we don't have a form religion here but in all practical aspects, we ARE a religiously-goverened country. most of the contentious laws in the last 20 yrs were ALL based on someone's view of religion and how it should be forced down everyone else's throat.
the 2 bad choices were pre-chosen behind closed doors by the true ruling elite.
please pay attention next time. our 'vote' is a sham and has not been real for at least a decade or two.
elections are a game and it does not matter who wins; those above (that we don't ever see) pull the real strings. what we see is a show; 'entertainment' and a distraction.
Four years for causing a million dollars worth of damage isn't that harsh a sentence
yes it is.
why do I say that?
because the banksters (...) have done FAR more damage to our whole society and yet not a single wall street fuckwad did any prison time. damage to our econ was in the billions, not millions and no one did time.
this was stupid. its all about 'making an example' but its toward a class that has basically no power and The Man wants to keep it that way; keep us all in fear.
the guy did behave badly, but a 'million dollars' to many businesses is bullshit money. a fraction of a ceo's vacation fund. so don't give me this song and dance about 'a million dollars'. its all relative.
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that reminds me of a south african (white) who came to the US and wrote his race down as african-american. well, he was born in africa and he relocated to america...
but what a big stir it caused when he listed himself that way.
(this was a few decades ago, fwiw)
the flaw is that they don't hire based on ability anymore.
if the group is 90% indian, guess who will get the next job in that group?
this is the new reality and unless there is a move to fix it, it won't fix itself!
"he's not a cultural fit" is the PC term but we all know what it really means.
the ruling class don't go to jail.
one of your quotes is worth repeating:
Rather than actually investing in their country (IE, find smart HS / College kids and train them) they'll go to any lengths to just import the indentured servants to do the work.
this is a case where corporations are not acting out of long-term stability for the local economy and the government (yes, the big bad government) should step in and right this wrong. the business world is not going to self-govern in this regard and so someone more neutral has to do it. this IS the purpose of a government, afterall, to keep the country on track when it starts to go astray.
yet, the government, these days, is a 'shit on us and then run' kind of government. they don't care about long-term stability of the country, either! the old guys want to keep their money, die with it (or give to their kids) and hoard it all, starving the economy and bringing us all down. but ideally, its the government who SHOULD step in and rebalance what industry seems unwilling to do.
...not with the individuals who take the opportunity to get out of that rape-infested shithole
its somehow ok that we help other nationals; but what about our OWN??
look, they have a shithole of a country, granted. but leaving the country and coming here is not going to fix india. what it does is help ruin the workforce here for those who are invested HERE and want to stay HERE.
its time to cut off immigration. we have more people than jobs and we owe a living to our own people, first.
this is how EVERY OTHER COUNTRY WORKS. find me another country that favors immigrants over its own nationals. go ahead - I'll wait.
when the US was still a growing country, it made sense to import labor. but now, the job situation is in collapse and we simply cannot keep importing more people who will work for less and displace our own.
sorry if it sounds harsh, but your own people HAVE to come first. every other country works that way. its time to shut the borders and let things converge for the next 10 or so years. the race to the bottom is going to be the economic collapse of the middle class and we simply cannot afford to do that. I fear there can be no recovery once we hit bottom, like that.
black, white, latino - all are the 'new minorities' in tech.
and you know who the new majority is. and its not the people who were born and raised here, either.
there is HUGE discrimination in tech, right now.
I know a lot of american workers - really skilled and experienced - that have been out of work for a long time. and yet, we have asians and indians staffing the bay area tech companies and it stinks to high heaven. its clearly discriminatory (not necessarily mgmt, but the team members who are indian tend to vote for their fellow desi's and reject american workers. tell me this isn't true and tell it to me with a straight face.)
and so, if we had numbers on this, we could SHOW, with data, that this widely-known issue is true. once its known, it could be dealt with and repaired.
all we want is fairness. what we have now is a huge imbalance and pretty extreme racism where locals can't even get a chance to compete for local jobs. its sickening.
companies should be fined for this shit. its ruining this country and destroying what's left of the tech middle class.
in the last few decades, there has been mass mind-reprogramming that seems to convince people that 'profit above all else, to the exclusion of all else' is what american companies are supposed to be about.
but go back to our grandfather's days and you would find social responsibility (which was hard fought for, during the union days). companies DID care and they DID shoulder the burden during hard times, because they saw value in the INVESTMENT in their work force! it was common for people to work at the same company for 20, 30 even 40 years!
find anyone like that today. I dare you. if you find someone working 20 yrs at the same place, its extremely rare.
this is now how it used to be. and don't accept that this was always how it was and how its meant to be. that's brainwashing by the new capitalists who are no better than white collar criminals, these days.
So joke all you want, those that do make it to US are rather smart and hard working.
sorry, not my experience at all (20+ years in the bay area and I have tons of experience with indians). they THINK they are good, but the code quality, design quality and attention to detail is far below par.
I hate saying that. I really do, but it tends to be true. indians study by memorizing and they tend to be great at that; but when it comes to thinking things thru, they fall down. the education system encourages rote memorization.
IBM is nothing to brag about either!
they are 90% offshore staffed. if you are an american, do not even bother applying for a job at ibm anymore.
I would not touch IBM shit today with a 10 foot pole.
sadly, this is the standard operating procedure for the bay area, at least. it seems every local company is filled with immigrants and to find a local walking in the hallway is a rare sight.
you know the drill and the standard term for it: race to the bottom.
HP is no different from all the rest. respect for employees is non-existent and employees are expected to 'pay' the price for any bad performance of the company.
in fact, standard operating procedure for the bay area is not to even hire fulltime people anymore. most companies cheap-out by starting you off as a contractor, making YOU pay your healthcare costs, unpaid vacation, unpaid sick time and no on the job training. you do that for 6mos or more (saving the company money and costing YOU, instead) and maybe they will convert you to perm. maybe.
all the while, the company saved a huge amount during those 6mos and YOU funded the company and carried THEM on your back.
hey, lets shift costs that we used to bear over to the employees. what are they going to do - strike? hahahaha.
(sigh) ;(
I can't wait until I'm of retirement age. this new american 'work ethic' is pissing me off big-time.
but: the talent that made HP has long ago left!
no one I know aspires to work for HP anymore. its not a choice place of work anymore.
not sure what quality of person still works there. like SGI, it was once a giant and the talent pool was first-class; but like SGI, there's no talent left and its a shell of what it once was.
(funny that they both used to be big unix workstation companies, too)
in fact, even HP can't do a world class calculator anymore. for that, take a bullshit business grade HP calc and reload opensource firmware on it!
http://commerce.hpcalc.org/34s...
I bought a vinyl overlay, a new hp30b and was able to install new firmware, making it the calc that hp can't seem to do on their own, anymore.
when USERS can create calculator firmware that blows away what the vendor, HP, can do, HP has clearly jumped the shark.
and they are also reduced to producing shit for handheld dmm's:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/t...
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/t...
agilent used to be good. for high end gear, they probably still are; but it seems they have fallen down quite a bit over the years.
HP - they are useless, now. when they were more than a printer-ink company, they were a force to be reckoned with. now, they are a printer-ink and pc whore.
how the mighty have fallen ;(
it does not matter if we disallow relgion in a written document.
in the USA of jesusland, we don't have a form religion here but in all practical aspects, we ARE a religiously-goverened country. most of the contentious laws in the last 20 yrs were ALL based on someone's view of religion and how it should be forced down everyone else's throat.
as long as 'business gets any damned thing they want', you mean.
lawyers are powered by business. take away the extreme power that business (in the US) has and you've just leveled things.
lawyers can work for us, too; but there's just no money in it, so they don't!
if you have to explain that you were not serious, then we have already lost any shred of liberty we once had.
and if the NSA is reading this, FUCK YOU!!!!
yeah. you read that right. illegal organizations like the NSA can go fuck themselves.
find my IP and come after me, assholes. not even sure I care anymore. we're fucked as a country, anyway.
"why so serious??"
I gave up on ghostery. they're not bad guys (they cannot be trusted).
use 'disconnect' instead.
I wonder: is there an alternate universe where a white man is in the Blackhouse?
makes you think....
no, you are wrong.
the 2 bad choices were pre-chosen behind closed doors by the true ruling elite.
please pay attention next time. our 'vote' is a sham and has not been real for at least a decade or two.
elections are a game and it does not matter who wins; those above (that we don't ever see) pull the real strings. what we see is a show; 'entertainment' and a distraction.
pussy!
lawmakers were SUPPOSED to be beyond being afraid of what stupid voters would do. we once had rulers with some backbone.
wonder where all the backbone went... ;(
the pussification of amerca now includes lawmakers. too afraid to actually GOVERN.
Four years for causing a million dollars worth of damage isn't that harsh a sentence
yes it is.
why do I say that?
because the banksters (...) have done FAR more damage to our whole society and yet not a single wall street fuckwad did any prison time. damage to our econ was in the billions, not millions and no one did time.
this was stupid. its all about 'making an example' but its toward a class that has basically no power and The Man wants to keep it that way; keep us all in fear.
the guy did behave badly, but a 'million dollars' to many businesses is bullshit money. a fraction of a ceo's vacation fund. so don't give me this song and dance about 'a million dollars'. its all relative.
The NEST thermostat had an internet connection before Google bought them. What's changed exactly, apart from who plans to gather consumer data?
thanks for self-answering.
if google touches it, its fucked and broken and I want no part of it.
fuck nest. they may have been something before google took them, but now, they are invisible to me.
at least google made some things easy: if X is associated with google, then X likely sucks (when it comes to consumer facing stuff, at least).
I used to work at SGI in the network group, doing allocations and netmgt.
we DID define static IP's (with mac addr's) for various gear. this was back in 1998 or so, timeframe.
so, there you go. a huge company (long ago) that did what you said no one would ever, in their right mind, do.