I was talking about open source and GNU/Linux to a couple a old timers at work today. They said.."no one ever got fired for buying IBM solutions". "Leadership", for the most part, basically took the blue pill a long time ago. Freedom is fought for, we just keep doing the best we can. I used to work for a software company that peddled custom ERP solutions. Our marketing guys were damn good. Often, the customers and even the SMEs buy the interface. Theses days it seems that functional requirements, by definition I suppose, rarely touch on architectural issues (OS / interoperability / etc..) in enough detail. Technical people are not often properly involved in the selection process and consultants always choose the safest bet for reputations sake (mind share). But the tide is slowly turning. The analysts will keep running the numbers and under pressure, the bean counters will keep insisting on reduced total cost of ownership. Jeepers.. we win in the end.. well,... that assumes we figure how to modify our economic models.. The "keys to the tank" are there for the taking and there are even several really nice virtual station wagon interfaces.. it's sick, but we'll have to get one of those tiered support models where the action figures can memorize the gnome clicks or whatever..
well put... also, if someone knows the gent who wrote the article.. tell him about open source and the whole karmic thing.. it seemed he was more interested in ease of use than freedom, which strikes me as odd for a writer (i assume writers are into freedom, though the blurb about his intellectual prpoerty is probably telling.. most people don't quite get it yet..) i guess i wasn't really impressed with the article
I think a lot of women would be inclined to take issue and engage you on your comments. But for better or worse, eloquent or not, I believe you are absolutely right. There was a much better (female crafted) article on this subject posted sometime back from a Linux geek girl/woman. It's not simple. Everyone should be encouraged. I think Borg's idea that the boys beat the girls off of the terminals has little applicability today (though still exists in some households i'm sure). It conjured up recollections of our old compute facilities in college.. strewn with vt100s and serial cable, muggy hot and smelly (damn internationals;^) luv 'em just the same though). Times are different now, but the data still seems to validate your point(s). I'm not convinced that "puttin money where the mouth is" is not just beating a dead horse. Diversity means just that.. diversity. I believe diversity and REAL "equal opportunity" benefit all of us. But I wonder if we don't all have very different ideas of exactly what that means. I commend Borg for being non confrontational, but would have expected more insight from someone that carries the baggage of that many years of higher education. I sometimes tend to take issue with gender based programs as well. I think some good comes from them, but from what I've seen, they often unintentionally divide. Maybe another 1000 years of data will give us a clue. And yes, maybe I need to go beat myself into submission with the proverbial clue stick, but I don't thin so babalu regards, bsqtsnfr
Well, I'm definitely a taxpayer. If you are a US Fed. Comp. specialist, please keep getting the word out. I choose not to throw my money away, and I'd prefer it if our elected officials had similar values...
as far as this "bolt-on portal, knowledge mgmt. stuff" goes, we are definitley back at a point where we need to be reconsidering if COTS truly reduces TCO! I contend it doesn't.. Linux/Perl/DBI/Python/Zope/Sendmail/Apache.. it's all there.. our govt. decision makers (as well as industry captains) are making poor decisions..there will be accountability in the end (I hope)
here ya are... just dumped 100 bones in the bucket... lets see 999 more messages like this, or whatever you can give.. i Iz a Graduat, but rmembre the pancook and macroon & cheez daize.. i think they might need to go into court with some equip. and demonstrate the bit for bit dvd copy to drive home the point regarding ("encryption" ne "copy protection"), also to show that DeCSS does play videos on the Linux platform.. cats out o the bag whats the point on the keys at this juncture?.. i was gonna say, lets just pay for a license to the control board, but the whole concept is to control the player market.. what a smoke and mirror job.. sheesh
this is far and away the most important point!! perhaps the author of the original article had on his pirate shades.. stallman is the founder of the feast.. we identify with his philosphy, and by virtue of the gnu/gpl, we just keep winning.. and so do the eductational institutions.. the ball is picking up massive momentum.. fortunately, most of us already know how to ride the tiger:) think about it.. how else will our race bridge the next technology gap?? i beleive this is it.. this philosophy.. capturing this technology and intelligence and making it available for all to use, FREELY.. liberation, critical mass is here regards, bsqtsnfr
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I know that social reform takes forever because it takes a long time to make those backwards confederate flag flying hillbillies in the south see that the only difference between black and white is melanin.
Fortunately, intelligent commentary like that always helps the process along. Thanks for doing your part..
consensus is that the products are crap, and we all know the CA name is synonymous with enterprise IT.. the real linux maiden voyage for most enterprises is still 12-18 months away.. is this the suite of tools that will leave the first impression? scary thought.. can you say severe damage to the linux name?? if the source is GPL'd, then fine.. the world can make it happen, if not.. Redhat is making a big mistake, namely putting money and name recognition before quality, stability, etc.. (the things that GNU/Linux has built a reputation on).. fortunately the rpms will be easy enough to uninstall (though i dont know if the rpm works on damaged reputations).. all the bolt on, closed source, value added stuff is a joke anyway.. the large SW houses smell the open source rat.. they can't compete with it in the long run, so why not try to jump in bed now.... what did linus say about SW and sex?? put your money back in HW, support services, etc.. and remember to free your source
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I was talking about open source and GNU/Linux to a couple a old timers at work today. They said.."no one ever got fired for buying IBM solutions". "Leadership", for the most part, basically took the blue pill a long time ago. Freedom is fought for, we just keep doing the best we can. I used to work for a software company that peddled custom ERP solutions. Our marketing guys were damn good. Often, the customers and even the SMEs buy the interface. Theses days it seems that functional requirements, by definition I suppose, rarely touch on architectural issues (OS / interoperability / etc..) in enough detail. Technical people are not often properly involved in the selection process and consultants always choose the safest bet for reputations sake (mind share). But the tide is slowly turning. The analysts will keep running the numbers and under pressure, the bean counters will keep insisting on reduced total cost of ownership. Jeepers.. we win in the end.. well,... that assumes we figure how to modify our economic models.. The "keys to the tank" are there for the taking and there are even several really nice virtual station wagon interfaces.. it's sick, but we'll have to get one of those tiered support models where the action figures can memorize the gnome clicks or whatever..
well put... also, if someone knows the gent who wrote the article.. tell him about open source and the whole karmic thing.. it seemed he was more interested in ease of use than freedom, which strikes me as odd for a writer (i assume writers are into freedom, though the blurb about his intellectual prpoerty is probably telling.. most people don't quite get it yet..) i guess i wasn't really impressed with the article
I think a lot of women would be inclined to take issue and engage you on your comments. But for better or worse, eloquent or not, I believe you are absolutely right. There was a much better (female crafted) article on this subject posted sometime back from a Linux geek girl/woman. It's not simple. Everyone should be encouraged. I think Borg's idea that the boys beat the girls off of the terminals has little applicability today (though still exists in some households i'm sure). It conjured up recollections of our old compute facilities in college.. strewn with vt100s and serial cable, muggy hot and smelly (damn internationals ;^) luv 'em just the same though). Times are different now, but the data still seems to validate your point(s). I'm not convinced that "puttin money where the mouth is" is not just beating a dead horse. Diversity means just that.. diversity. I believe diversity and REAL "equal opportunity" benefit all of us. But I wonder if we don't all have very different ideas of exactly what that means. I commend Borg for being non confrontational, but would have expected more insight from someone that carries the baggage of that many years of higher education. I sometimes tend to take issue with gender based programs as well. I think some good comes from them, but from what I've seen, they often unintentionally divide. Maybe another 1000 years of data will give us a clue. And yes, maybe I need to go beat myself into submission with the proverbial clue stick, but I don't thin so babalu regards, bsqtsnfr
as far as this "bolt-on portal, knowledge mgmt. stuff" goes, we are definitley back at a point where we need to be reconsidering if COTS truly reduces TCO! I contend it doesn't.. Linux/Perl/DBI/Python/Zope/Sendmail/Apache.. it's all there.. our govt. decision makers (as well as industry captains) are making poor decisions..there will be accountability in the end (I hope)
regards,
bsqtsnfr
cheers,
bsqtsnfr
this is far and away the most important point!! perhaps the author of the original article had on his pirate shades.. stallman is the founder of the feast.. we identify with his philosphy, and by virtue of the gnu/gpl, we just keep winning.. and so do the eductational institutions.. the ball is picking up massive momentum.. fortunately, most of us already know how to ride the tiger :) think about it.. how else will our race bridge the next technology gap?? i beleive this is it.. this philosophy.. capturing this technology and intelligence and making it available for all to use, FREELY.. liberation, critical mass is here regards, bsqtsnfr
Fortunately, intelligent commentary like that always helps the process along. Thanks for doing your part..
bsqtsnfr,
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consensus is that the products are crap, and we all know the CA name is synonymous with enterprise IT.. the real linux maiden voyage for most enterprises is still 12-18 months away.. is this the suite of tools that will leave the first impression? scary thought.. can you say severe damage to the linux name?? if the source is GPL'd, then fine.. the world can make it happen, if not.. Redhat is making a big mistake, namely putting money and name recognition before quality, stability, etc.. (the things that GNU/Linux has built a reputation on).. fortunately the rpms will be easy enough to uninstall (though i dont know if the rpm works on damaged reputations).. all the bolt on, closed source, value added stuff is a joke anyway.. the large SW houses smell the open source rat.. they can't compete with it in the long run, so why not try to jump in bed now.... what did linus say about SW and sex?? put your money back in HW, support services, etc.. and remember to free your source