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Senior Navy Official Slams Microsoft
Here is a short article which indicates that the Navy is not happy with Microsoft. One paragraph: "There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience." ("He" is Undersecretary of the Navy Jerry MacArthur Hultin.)
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oooooooh a big bad navy guy has something negative to say about MS!
get a life rob
Great, another ms bashing article, I didn't know what was missing.
MY NME IS JOSH AND I AM A LINIS SYSTMS ADMISTRINATOR. I LIKE LINUX. MY BROTHER INSTALLED LINXU ON MY COMPUTER. ATFIRST I WAS MAD BECAUSE I COULDNT PLAY THE WINDOWS GAME WITH LINUX AND ALL IT DID WAS ASK FOR LOGIN. BUT THEN I LIKE LINUS BECAUSE MY BROTHER SHOWS ME HOW TO LOOK AT PICTURES OF NAKED GIRLS WITH NETSCAPE AND I CANT DO THAT WITH WINDOWS. I LIKE TO LOOK AT NAKED GIRLS EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT GIRLS HAVE COOTIES. THATS WHY I WANT A STONE GIRL SO SHE WONT GIVE ME COOTIES AND I CAN TOUCH HER BUTTOKCS.I LIKE LINUX.. PLEASE SEND ME WAREXZ
its MS bashing,and thats like really r33t or something!
Hey, we don't like smartasses around here, join the troll fest, or go to some smartass weblog.
We don't post intelligent looking stuff on lame articles like this.
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Ensign's keyboard: Start > Programs > MSanti-aircraft > portside
Ensign's monitor: "portside" requires SP4"
There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience.
Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software. If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft?
BTW, has he not been looking into Windows 2000?
no, i think it was a 30days trial version which had expired
You want http://www.gcn.com/archives/gc n/1998/july13/cov2.htm
I have been using lotus notes and MS outlook and believe it lotus SUCKS to name a few... 1. Most unpredictable inconsistant user interface To me an hour to find the reply all button, worse a notes devloper couldn't find it most people just copied the receipient list. (do you?) 2. Bloated with all kinds of legacy code (65MB client!) 3. Slow. Lotus notes 5 is the worst product i have ever seen. No wonder companies are shifting to M$ for their groupware concerns. Is there any GPL'd Groupware around, is there some one working on it. Its time we had one.
i don't know where to post this. so i'm posting it here. i came to read slashdot about a month because several peers of mine said i would enjoy it. they were 49% correct. i enjoy any article that dosen't touch the topic of an O/S. i am not going to say what i personally run, could it be the freshest linux kernal...or the freshest windows build...the world will never know. what they will know, and probably not care, is that this entity known as slashdot is slowly losing all value as it turns into a linuxuser vs. msuser forum. wow. just what we needed. the computer world fighting each other in it's prime development stage. what you people don't realize is that both OS's are pretty much lame. any OS is lame out of the box. it's up to the specific user to cater his OS, and tailor it around him. rodney king said it, and I the anonymous coward state it loud and proud. who gives a shit what OS you run as long as you are enjoying it and getting the most out of it. thank you, anonymous coward slackware user who just so happens to not discredit windows. it's not the brush, it's the artist.
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Why do you keep saying army? He is the undersecretary of the Navy.
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Yea, right, like IBM wants the nightmare of a huge linux installed base. "You want it to what? Oh wow, we'll have to write a driver for that." Why deal with that when there's a ton of MCSEs to send out for every little problem.
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you mean "navy guy"
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by moeffju (m4ward@gmx.net) on Saturday February 12, @07:37AM EST (#13) (User Info) http://www.moeffju.de/ Before they sent out a ship carrying a Division-By-Zero WinNT steering server, and before buying the Microsoft Groupware products. As it's now, not that I like Microsoft, but this seems just as if the Navy was too stupid to test their software before buying. Signatures are for wimps! [ Reply to This | Parent ] BUT d00d! by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @07:39AM EST Best Endeavour contracts by divec (Score:2) Saturday February 12, @08:07AM EST Re:Best Endeavour contracts by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @08:34AM EST The Emperor has no clothes (Score:2) by Get Behind the Mule on Saturday February 12, @07:41AM EST (#15) (User Info) I think the anti-trust suit may have finally stripped M$ of its aura of invincibility in the public eye. For a long time, Joe Random Public thought that the world's largest software company must be just the greatest, particulary if J.R.P. never had the opportunity to see software from any other company. This is still true of a lot of people today, but I think that the general public is finally catching on to the astonishing idea that M$ may actually suck. Many of those in charge of procurement in the military may have known this for a long time. But it may have only recently become possible for someone like this guy to say so in public. So, what Linux groupware products can we turn the Navy on to? Always keep a sapphire in your mind [ Reply to This | Parent ] he's silly (Score:2) by TummyX on Saturday February 12, @07:43AM EST (#16) (User Info) There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience.
/DEV/NATALIE/PORTMAN AND THEN FLOOD HER PORTS WITH GRITS Thanks. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Natalie Portman by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @08:53AM EST
Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software. If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft?
BTW, has he not been looking into Windows 2000? [ Reply to This | Parent ] what you meant to post by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @07:46AM EST thanks n/t by TummyX (Score:2) Saturday February 12, @07:50AM EST Re: arg html by TummyX (Score:2) Saturday February 12, @07:48AM EST Re: arg html by Skinka (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @07:56AM EST cunning by TummyX (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @08:06AM EST Re: arg html by Fishstick (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @09:03AM EST Shareware groupware products by divec (Score:2) Saturday February 12, @08:00AM EST I've looked at Win2000... by NatePWIII (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @08:40AM EST Under attack (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @07:45AM EST (#18) Duty Watch: Sir, incoming enemy fighter off the port side, anti-ship missle locked! Captain: Ensign, take down that plane! Ensign's keyboard: Start > Programs > MSanti-aircraft > portside Ensign's monitor: "portside" requires SP4" [ Reply to This | Parent ] ITs about time (Score:1) by kaball (gotrooted@redmond.org) on Saturday February 12, @07:57AM EST (#24) (User Info) Microsoft has been consistantly making low quality software.I for one think the way their products make people expect less out of their software is unacceptable.I mean they have the public thinking system crashes are a "normal" part of operation. This my only be my opinion but we could all benefit if more people "told it like it is".THis being that microsoft cares nothing about quality and thats proven by me using it and expiriencing it for myself.So all you M$ "experts" can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Will IBM play its Linux trump card? (Score:1) by ozbird on Saturday February 12, @08:06AM EST (#29) (User Info) This would seem to be an ideal opportunity for IBM to offer a Linux solution in addition to the previously safe Microsoft "solution"? Sure, it probably won't be successful this time around (bureaucracy has more inertia than an aircraft carrier...) but it shows that they are serious about Linux and that they are listening to what the customer wants. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Will IBM play its Linux trump card? by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @08:51AM EST Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:09AM EST (#31) I have been using lotus notes and MS outlook and believe it lotus SUCKS to name a few... 1. Most unpredictable inconsistant user interface To me an hour to find the reply all button, worse a notes devloper couldn't find it most people just copied the receipient list. (do you?) 2. Bloated with all kinds of legacy code (65MB client!) 3. Slow. Lotus notes 5 is the worst product i have ever seen. No wonder companies are shifting to M$ for their groupware concerns. Is there any GPL'd Groupware around, is there some one working on it. Its time we had one. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker by Logan Bear (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @08:26AM EST Re:Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @09:01AM EST greetings (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:09AM EST (#32) i don't know where to post this. so i'm posting it here. i came to read slashdot about a month because several peers of mine said i would enjoy it. they were 49% correct. i enjoy any article that dosen't touch the topic of an O/S. i am not going to say what i personally run, could it be the freshest linux kernal...or the freshest windows build...the world will never know. what they will know, and probably not care, is that this entity known as slashdot is slowly losing all value as it turns into a linuxuser vs. msuser forum. wow. just what we needed. the computer world fighting each other in it's prime development stage. what you people don't realize is that both OS's are pretty much lame. any OS is lame out of the box. it's up to the specific user to cater his OS, and tailor it around him. rodney king said it, and I the anonymous coward state it loud and proud. who gives a shit what OS you run as long as you are enjoying it and getting the most out of it. thank you, anonymous coward slackware user who just so happens to not discredit windows. it's not the brush, it's the artist. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:greetings by kaball (Score:1) Saturday February 12, @08:15AM EST Re:greetings by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @08:45AM EST doing the math (Score:1) by dermond on Saturday February 12, @08:26AM EST (#35) (User Info) ok. let's assume that you have 600 000 ppl working for you who need some software product A and it costs you only $10 per seat and year.(where of course most software will cost you some aditional $100 because it only runs on operating system A-doze and an additional $100 on average for necessary hardware upgrade etc..) but let us assume just $10 for product A. that gives 6 mill$. for this much money you can pay a dozen of full time programmes who write you a custom application that does what you want. (maybe hiring the programmes of the shareware product you like) if you open soucre that application you are not dependent on them and get additonal people working for you for free! plus: an organisation which is fianced by public taxes should give something back to the people for their money after all.. mond. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Was it just me... (Score:1) by PsychoSpunk on Saturday February 12, @08:34AM EST (#37) (User Info) Or were you wishing that there were shareware products to change the ? to the proper character? ALL HAIL BRAK!!! [ Reply to This | Parent ] Official Navy Homo gets sucked by Roblimo (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:36AM EST (#39) Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] SlashDot rules (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:38AM EST (#41) Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" wow [ Reply to This | Parent ] Trolls above (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:39AM EST (#42) and below Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] blah blah (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:39AM EST (#43) blah blah Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] yada (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:40AM EST (#44) yada yada blah blah blah blah [ Reply to This | Parent ] YEAH, STICK IT TO THE MAN! by Anonymous Coward Saturday February 12, @08:47AM EST dick suckers (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:43AM EST (#46) and below Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? 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[ Reply to This | Parent ] dick suckers - ha ha (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:44AM EST (#49) you suck di Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] dick suckers - ha ha (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:44AM EST (#50) you suck dic Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] dick suckers - ha ha (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:44AM EST (#51) you suck dick Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] dick suckers - ha ha (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12, @08:45AM EST (#52) you suck dick - p Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" 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Corey lay on his side, thin blanket pulled up over his ear, metal
bedsprings creaking as he masturbated into a dirty sock. Surreptitiously
watching Joey get his asshole raped. The un-challenged top dog, "Wolf," had
been making the rounds of the dormitory at night, picking his victims from the
smaller, paler boys. For the first time in his life, Corey was thankful he was
so ugly.
He _knew_ he was ugly. It wasn't a matter of goddamn "self-esteem" like
that bogus shrink kept trying to tell him, as she looked away from his whole
butt-ugly self. He was scrawny to the point of emaciation. He had a big nose,
crooked buck teeth and no chin to speak of. He had zits all over his face that
blended in with the freckles. He had frizzy black hair that looked like it had
never been combed, which wasn't true, it just looked that way. He'd buzzed it
off once when he was eleven, to look tough like a skinhead, but his grandma
Rubinstein had fainted dead away when she saw it. His father had beat the
living crap out of him for it; his mother said he looked like an Auschwitz
survivor and made him wear a hat.
He was so fucking ugly that his cousin Aaron didn't even make him suck his
dick like he did his little brother Mark. Aaron, the fucking cop Aaron,
goddamn musclehead faggot Aaron, thought he was really something special. Just
because he was strong, pumped up, a steroid bloated idiot. Not a geeky little
Jewish stereotype like Corey's side of the family.
"I oughta fuck you up the ass, Corey, you ugly little shit," Aaron used to
tell him, sitting on the faded couch in the dingy little living room in Corey's
dark basement apartment. Corey's little brother Mark knelt between Aaron's
legs, giving him head.
Corey would be standing near the doorway. He didn't dare leave since
Aaron demanded an audience. Corey knew Aaron would beat the crap out of him if
he left, or make up some story to his old man that would get his old man to
beat the crap out of him, or maybe both. Besides, he had liked watching that
spoiled little shit Marky give head... it made him hard.
"I oughta fuck you up the ass 'cause it's a lot prettier than your face."
And then one day he did, when Corey was twelve, and Marky was seven. He made
Mark watch. Made the little puke feel _special_, and made Corey feel even
worse.
The first time. Corey remembered the first time. He saw the look in
Aaron's face, that weird crooked grin. Remembered how he tried to run, knew it
was coming. Aaron had been talking obsessively about packing his tool up
Corey's skinny ass for days, and somehow Corey knew he really meant it this
time. Aaron was so fast, it was like he was that superhero "Elastic Man." His
arm stretched across the room and grabbed Corey by the back of the neck and
threw him face down over the coffee table.
Aaron _laughed_ at him, as Corey shrieked and cursed. He switched to
begging and pleading; then Aaron got Marky to pull Corey's pants down. He
remembered Marky laughing too. High-pitched, convulsive laughter. So long
ago, but he could still hear that laughter.
"Watch this, buddy, I'm gonna fuck your ugly brother's ugly ass!" Aaron
boasted. And then he did.
Sometimes he made himself crazy, groping his memory for the rest of that
afternoon after the initial horrible, excruciating pain when Aaron rammed his
cock into him but he couldn't remember anything. Did his parents come home
from work? Did he eat dinner? When did he go to bed? The next thing he
remembered was getting up in the middle of the night with all the blood in his
underwear. Being so scared of his mother finding the underwear, because if his
father found out... Corey was sure he would get beaten bad enough to need to go
to the hospital. Like the time in kindergarten when he told the teacher to
suck his dick, after she told him to stand in the corner for talking out of
turn. He "fell out of a tree," that time. His father would kill him if he
knew he was getting fucked up the ass, the way he was always ranting about the
goddamn faggots trying to take over.
He remembered that Aaron didn't bug him or Mark for almost a month after
the first time. But then one day, it was back to the same old routine.
"Looks like Corey needs another butt-fucking; whatta you say, Buddy?"
Aaron rubbed the small head bobbing between his legs.
"Yeah, fuck his ugly butt, it's prettier than his face," Marky giggled
around a mouthful of hard dick. The two of them howled at how clever Marky
was, using Aaron's favorite expression.
Once or twice a week, after that. Maybe it was better than sucking dick
all the time. Marky had to suck dick every day, but Marky didn't seem to mind.
It wasn't tearing up Marky's asshole and making it hurt when he crapped. Once,
in the middle of the night, Corey crawled into Marky's bed and forced him to
take a dick up his baby ass. Even though Corey threatened to kill Marky if he
told anyone, Marky was smart enough to know he could just tell Aaron and Aaron
would take care of it. And Aaron did. Corey couldn't even get near that
memory; he didn't even want to try.
But then there was that day when Aaron got a new idea... he only got one
once a year. Corey remembered that day very well. Aaron held Corey down so
Marky could stick his hard little baby dick up Corey's ass.
It didn't _hurt_; it wasn't hardly bigger than a man's finger. His little
brother's dick, up his ass. Too much. Too goddamn much.
Corey was kind of proud, really. Forty-seven stab wounds between them.
The blood was everywhere. He'd stabbed the little fucker with a butcher knife.
In the back... jabjab to the kidneys when Marky was giving Aaron head, after
fucking his big brother. Jabjab quick in Aaron's belly, over Marky's head,
hard, lots of muscle. Marky went down easy, but Aaron was strong: even holding
his gut together, he tried to act offensively.
"Gimme the knife goddamnit you little fuckwad!"
Corey rushed him. Stabbed him in the groin, jabjabjab, extra quick. The
fucker fell to his knees and he stabbed him in the back as he fell forward.
Kicked him in the butt, stabbed him through his sweatpants, fucked him with the
butcher knife. Did he scream? Corey couldn't remember that part.
Stabbed his little brother a dozen more times, just to be sure. Cut off
his little dick and shoved it down his throat. Made him suck his own goddamn
dick. A few more stabs in the chest for both of them, just to be safe. A
strange exhilarating feeling enthralled him as he pounded the knife down.
Overhand two-fisted strokes. Warm blood splashed his t-shirt, his face.
He remembered he had dropped the butcher knife and casually walked the few
blocks to the park. Down to the river to watch the ducks. He wasn't crazy.
They deserved it.
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Corey lay on his side in bed watching Wolf rape Joey's pretty little ass.
Juvenile cries of pain and humiliation not-quite-drowned in the pillow his face
was smashed into. Corey imagined it was him on top of Marky as he humped his
fist, forgetting to pretend he wasn't really watching.
"Hey Fug," Wolf whispered, scaring Corey half-soft. That was him,
"Fugly," "Fuckin' Ugly."
Corey stared at Wolf through the darkness.
"You want seconds?" Wolf whispered. He grinned at Corey through the
darkness, kneeling between the metal beds. Glancing meaningfully at Joey's
exposed buttocks. "I seen you watching me the last couple nights. I don't
mind, I like an audience." He moved to creep back to his bed on the far side
of the dormitory. "Tell him if he squeals on you he'll have to deal with me."
Corey lay on his side for a while, breathing raggedly, his cock pulsing in
his hand. Staring at the boy lying in the bunk next to his with shoulders
shaking, sobbing silently. Staying low to the ground, Corey crept between the
beds and crawled up on top of Joey. He pulled his hard, thin cock out of his
underwear. His dick jumped as Joey let out a startled "No!" An unbearable
excitement rising in the pit of Corey's groin as he felt the boy, only slightly
smaller than himself. Joey tensed, spasms of fear riding up and down his body
in waves.
Corey thrust his cock deep into the boy's cum-wet asshole, thrilled at the
boy's gasps of displeasure. He felt the rectum clutch instinctively, trying to
expel his intruding dick.
"Tell on me and I'll cut you like I cut my little brother," he threatened.
He knew they'd all heard his story, but he didn't know if they believed it or
not. He knew they only left him alone because he was too ugly to fuck and
didn't have anything worth stealing.
Well they'd know better now. He lay on top of the crying boy and he
fucked Joey's ass. Fucked him hard, fucked him deep. He _wanted_ them to hear
the bed creak, wanted them to hear the escaping gasps of pain from Joey.
Wanted them all to know it was him, Fug, doing the fucking now.
Not too ugly to do the fucking.
Not _too_ ugly.
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faq code awards privacy slashNET older stuff rob's page preferences andover.net submit story advertising supporters past polls topics about jobs hof Sections 2/7 apache 2/11 askslashdot 1/27 awards 2/11 books 2/9 bsd 2/10 features 2/11 (2) interviews 1/31 radio 2/11 (2) science 2/11 (4) yro Andover.Net AndoverNews Ask Reggie DaveCentral Freshmeat ITR Senior Navy Official Slams Microsoft Posted by Roblimo on 07:21 AM February 12th, 2000 from the bigwigs-on-the-warpath dept. Here is a short article which indicates that the Navy is not happy with Microsoft. One paragraph: "There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience." ("He" is Undersecretary of the Navy Jerry MacArthur Hultin.) So, what Linux groupware products can we turn the Navy on to? HP OpenMail or Lotus Notes for the server. What we still need is a good Lotus client for Linux. [ Reply to This | Parent ] he's silly (Score:2) by TummyX on 07:43 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#16) (User Info) There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience.
:| [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re: arg html (Score:1) by Skinka (mikko.kinnunen@cs.helsinki.fi?Subject=Slashdot) on 07:56 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#23) (User Info) I keep forgetting the default now is text not html :| Then change your prefs so that html is default.. Customise Comments -> Comment post mode [ Reply to This | Parent ] cunning (Score:1) by TummyX on 08:06 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#28) (User Info) thanks :) [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re: arg html (Score:1) by Fishstick (fishstick@!YUMMYSPAM!linuxstart.com) on 09:03 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#71) (User Info) Y'know I'm not sure but it seems like it 'happened' the same day someone managed to post porno images in comments. That was fun, I'm at work skimming /. and I see some woman slurping down on some guy's giant prick. Not that I wouldn't normally enjoy seeing something like that but I also enjoy being able to pay the mortgage and buy food and stuff and my employer has a habit of firing people who browse porno at work. Just a guess, but maybe there was some hole in /. that someone found and the quickest way to stop it was to pull the html/text posting thingy. I don't display scores, comments sorted newest first, hard thresh at +1... post away! [ Reply to This | Parent ] Shareware groupware products (Score:2) by divec on 08:00 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#25) (User Info) They may be better in some respects but not overall. They may implement things that MS obviously could without any difficulty but haven't. If MS is better overall, it doesn't mean that they haven't missed out on some really obvious features that people need. [ Reply to This | Parent ] I've looked at Win2000... (Score:1) by NatePWIII (npw_npw@yahoo.com) on 08:40 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#45) (User Info) http://www.npsis.com/~nathan and I'm not impressed. Its slow unstable and possibly even a worse operating system than it predessor NT 4.0 or Win98. We were thinking of putting up an NT server for people who want frontpage extensions. Then we realized just how big of a headache it was to maintain it, and we completely dropped the whole idea. I'm not sure I understand what you mean here about looking at W2K. Actually he would be better off by not looking and at least retain that "mirage" of a superior microsoft product in his head. Nathaniel P. Wilkerson NPS Internet Solutions, LLC www.npsis.com "Get your Domain for $30" [ Reply to This | Parent ] what you meant to post (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:46 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#19) There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience. Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software. If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft? BTW, has he not been looking into Windows 2000? [ Reply to This | Parent ] thanks n/t (Score:2) by TummyX on 07:50 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#21) (User Info) :P [ Reply to This | Parent ] A Golden Opportunity for Open Outsourcing (Score:2) by Effugas (effugas@best.com) on 09:11 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#79) (User Info) http://www.doxpara.com Federal development has a long history of public disclosure, and Open Source development is well known for providing the widest possible exposure of the codebase to security audit. The common weakness of Open Source projects is the limited bandwidth for integrating the influx of data, patches, and functionality requests. Good projects have, and need, that core group of developers to guide the flow of the code, and it's this behavior that lends legitimacy to claims of authorship long after others take over non-insignificant module implementation. This is the most concentrated point of labor in the otherwise highly distributed architecture of open code evolution. This, combined with the Federal Government's prediliction for disclosure and concerns about (national!) security, would make it advisable for at least a few government contracters to consider integrating the GPL as a key win in their official project bids. The timing is perfect: Microsoft's Worst-Case Scenario of the Sixty-Five Thousand Bug Operating System has deflated expectations of W2K considerably. Most governmental managers(decision makers) have just had a well-respected higher-up validate their employee's doubts in the "dominant paradigm". The market has fully validated Linux as a viable platform. And The Code Needs A Shepard. Why not Open Outsource? So much of the resistance to bringing in outside workers is that the internal developers aren't confident outside workers are going to meet their specific user requirements. Internal resistance would be lessened considerably if employees knew they could always fix the problems in software they were being tasked with deploying--and they'd even get to have their fixes integrated into the next release! Various departments would be able to cease redundant development; critical fixes would be integrated, experimental forks would be both possible and feasable at a low cost of exploration, and outside developments would be integrated into the central source trees based upon the strength of functionality, not force. Open Outsourcing is the answer to the question of how the code development house makes money in the essay I published some time ago, and should be considered by decision makers throughout the entire market. I was just recently working on integrating this information into my essay before the DDoS stuff hit; I'd be happy to have it ready as soon as possible if anybody wishes to take advantage of it to try to win a contract. Yours Truly, Dan Kaminsky DoxPara Research http://www.doxpara.com ==== Some people live life in the fast lane. I live life in oncoming traffic. ==== [ Reply to This | Parent ] People should be more reflective (Score:1) by Steeltoe (steeltoe@mail.com) on 07:29 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#6) (User Info) It's so typical of people to attack what they don't like, even if they would have done the same thing. The point is that it's you and me that have been fooled around by Microsoft, and then we start whining when we realize the prize to pay. It's not Microsofts fault that people are so easy to screw around, and what company won't take people's money? We should really think more about our lives and take responsibility for our own silliness. - Steeltoe [ Reply to This | Parent ] We need to supply information to other buyers (Score:2) by divec on 08:02 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#26) (User Info) One of the ways the free market operates is that feedback about goods on sale becomes public knowledge. So if a company rips one person off, they can tell everyone else before the whole market gets ripped off. As far as I can see, the army guy is just exercising this right/responsibility. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:We need to supply information to other buyers (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:58 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#66) you mean "navy guy" [ Reply to This | Parent ] Reminds me of the WinNT Ship (Score:1) by ssheth (ssheth) on 07:29 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#7) (User Info) I wonder if the Navy is still smarting over the ship on which they installed WinNT to run majority of control / steering functions. The server crashed due to some div-zero bug and the whole ship shut down -- had to be towed back to base. See http://slashdot.org/articles/9807 21/1049204.shtml for more memories. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Reminds me of the WinNT Ship (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:52 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#22) no, i think it was a 30days trial version which had expired [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Reminds me of the WinNT Ship (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:05 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#27) The link in that old piece is broken. You want http://www.gcn.com/archives/gc n/1998/july13/cov2.htm [ Reply to This | Parent ] Not to turn this into a productive conversation... (Score:1) by RatBastard (rrward@gci.KILL.ALL.SPAMMERS.NOW.net) on 07:30 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#10) (User Info) http://www.trilobite.org/ Not to turn this troll fest into a productive conversation, but anyone know what good groupware products this guy might have been referring to? Any that run on NT? (I use what the boss tells me, deal with it.) -- "I'm too sexy for my code." - Awk Sed Fred. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Not to turn this into a productive conversation (Score:1) by jck on 09:04 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#73) (User Info) He is probably talking about replacing Exchange with something like Sendmail(depending on what He meant by shareware). [ Reply to This | Parent ] Moderators, please rate above post as offtopic (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:43 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#17) Hey, we don't like smartasses around here, join the troll fest, or go to some smartass weblog. We don't post intelligent looking stuff on lame articles like this. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Moderators, please rate above post as offtopic (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:10 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#33) Yes, I opened this article hoping to see some sort of canonical listing of competing products. Instead, the moron moderators are again letting the trolls appear. There's so much stuff that should be -1, and not a single moderator has time to drop his dick. I'll nominate the bong-shong-along post for a -1. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Good value? (Score:1) by druthers on 07:32 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#11) (User Info) As a US Federal computer specialist person and a fellow taxpayer with most of the readers here, maybe I am getting good value from the money I am paying this guy! *** "It's only trivia until you need it." JMR *** [ Reply to This | Parent ] OFFTOPIC NEGATiVE UNO (-1) BiTCH! (Score:-1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on 09:00 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#68) Your post fails the troll consistency check. [ Reply to This | Parent ] They should have realized that before... (Score:1) by moeffju (m4ward@gmx.net) on 07:37 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#13) (User Info) http://www.moeffju.de/ Before they sent out a ship carrying a Division-By-Zero WinNT steering server, and before buying the Microsoft Groupware products. As it's now, not that I like Microsoft, but this seems just as if the Navy was too stupid to test their software before buying. Signatures are for wimps! [ Reply to This | Parent ] Best Endeavour contracts (Score:2) by divec on 08:07 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#30) (User Info) Big organisations rarely buy 36000 copies of a piece of shrinkwrapped software. They negotiate a contract with the software house, whereby the software house guarantees that the software will serve its purpose (e.g.) 99.9% of the time. A "best endeavour" contract says that the software house will do everything in its power to make this happen, even if it bankrupts them to do it. So the army bloke has probably got his fingers burnt in a contract like this. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Best Endeavour contracts (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:34 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#38) So the army bloke Why do you keep saying army? He is the undersecretary of the Navy. [ Reply to This | Parent ] BUT d00d! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:39 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#14) its MS bashing,and thats like really r33t or something! [ Reply to This | Parent ] ITs about time (Score:1) by kaball (gotrooted@redmond.org) on 07:57 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#24) (User Info) Microsoft has been consistantly making low quality software.I for one think the way their products make people expect less out of their software is unacceptable.I mean they have the public thinking system crashes are a "normal" part of operation. This my only be my opinion but we could all benefit if more people "told it like it is".THis being that microsoft cares nothing about quality and thats proven by me using it and expiriencing it for myself.So all you M$ "experts" can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Will IBM play its Linux trump card? (Score:1) by ozbird on 08:06 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#29) (User Info) This would seem to be an ideal opportunity for IBM to offer a Linux solution in addition to the previously safe Microsoft "solution"? Sure, it probably won't be successful this time around (bureaucracy has more inertia than an aircraft carrier...) but it shows that they are serious about Linux and that they are listening to what the customer wants. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Will IBM play its Linux trump card? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:51 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#62) Yea, right, like IBM wants the nightmare of a huge linux installed base. "You want it to what? Oh wow, we'll have to write a driver for that." Why deal with that when there's a ton of MCSEs to send out for every little problem. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Will IBM play its Linux trump card? (Score:1) by orkysoft (`echo bexlfbsg@qqf.ay | rot13`) on 09:11 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#77) (User Info) itis://not.interesting.enough.yet/~orkysoft Hey! I want that driver for my 5.25" missile battery as well, so they'd better release it as Open Source! [ Reply to This | Parent ] doing the math (Score:1) by dermond on 08:26 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#35) (User Info) ok. let's assume that you have 600 000 ppl working for you who need some software product A and it costs you only $10 per seat and year.(where of course most software will cost you some aditional $100 because it only runs on operating system A-doze and an additional $100 on average for necessary hardware upgrade etc..) but let us assume just $10 for product A. that gives 6 mill$. for this much money you can pay a dozen of full time programmes who write you a custom application that does what you want. (maybe hiring the programmes of the shareware product you like) if you open soucre that application you are not dependent on them and get additonal people working for you for free! plus: an organisation which is fianced by public taxes should give something back to the people for their money after all.. mond. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Was it just me... (Score:1) by PsychoSpunk on 08:34 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#37) (User Info) Or were you wishing that there were shareware products to change the ? to the proper character? ALL HAIL BRAK!!! [ Reply to This | Parent ] yawn (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:23 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#1) yawn [ Reply to This | Parent ] r33t! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:26 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#2) KEWL A NAVY DOOD BASH MS!11!!!1!1 WINDOWZ SUX0RZ DICK LINUCKS RULE!!!!!!111111111111 [ Reply to This | Parent ] I'm back! (Score:0) by gnulix guy (gnulix_guy@hotmail.com) on 07:27 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#3) (User Info) http://members.xoom.com/gnulix_guy/ Greetings to all my beloved fans! The ``gnulix_guy'' is now back from a long hiatus (I'll not mention the details of it, except to say it involved frequent flyer miles and asian sex tours). Because I've not been able to access Slashdot from the jungles of Thailand, I'll be stepping up my efforts to keep my legion of Slashdot fans entertained with my daily witicisms. I know you've all been dying for me to say my tag line, so without further ado: GNULIX! ...signed, the ever-lovable gnulix guy! [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:I'm back! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:37 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#40) fuck you [ Reply to This | Parent ] care factor=0 (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:27 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#4) oooooooh a big bad navy guy has something negative to say about MS! get a life rob [ Reply to This | Parent ] woohoo ! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:29 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#5) Great, another ms bashing article, I didn't know what was missing. [ Reply to This | Parent ] LINUX IS KOOL (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:29 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#9) MY NME IS JOSH AND I AM A LINIS SYSTMS ADMISTRINATOR. I LIKE LINUX. MY BROTHER INSTALLED LINXU ON MY COMPUTER. ATFIRST I WAS MAD BECAUSE I COULDNT PLAY THE WINDOWS GAME WITH LINUX AND ALL IT DID WAS ASK FOR LOGIN. BUT THEN I LIKE LINUS BECAUSE MY BROTHER SHOWS ME HOW TO LOOK AT PICTURES OF NAKED GIRLS WITH NETSCAPE AND I CANT DO THAT WITH WINDOWS. I LIKE TO LOOK AT NAKED GIRLS EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT GIRLS HAVE COOTIES. THATS WHY I WANT A STONE GIRL SO SHE WONT GIVE ME COOTIES AND I CAN TOUCH HER BUTTOKCS.I LIKE LINUX.. PLEASE SEND ME WAREXZ [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:LINUX IS KOOL (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:57 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#65) plz send nekked dogsex pics to josh31337@aol.com [ Reply to This | Parent ] WITNESS: MY SHLONG (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:32 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#12) MY SHLONG BIG AND LONG MY SHLONG THE SIZE OF KING KONG WITNESS MY SHLONG thank you. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:WITNESS: MY SHLONG (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 09:03 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#72) Sorry, Peewee, 3 inches is NOT considered big [ Reply to This | Parent ] Under attack (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 07:45 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#18) Duty Watch: Sir, incoming enemy fighter off the port side, anti-ship missle locked! Captain: Ensign, take down that plane! Ensign's keyboard: Start > Programs > MSanti-aircraft > portside Ensign's monitor: "portside" requires SP4" [ Reply to This | Parent ] Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:09 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#31) I have been using lotus notes and MS outlook and believe it lotus SUCKS to name a few... 1. Most unpredictable inconsistant user interface To me an hour to find the reply all button, worse a notes devloper couldn't find it most people just copied the receipient list. (do you?) 2. Bloated with all kinds of legacy code (65MB client!) 3. Slow. Lotus notes 5 is the worst product i have ever seen. No wonder companies are shifting to M$ for their groupware concerns. Is there any GPL'd Groupware around, is there some one working on it. Its time we had one. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker (Score:1) by Logan Bear on 08:26 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#36) (User Info) To me an hour to find the reply all button, worse a notes devloper couldn't find it most people just copied the receipient list. Strange... With R5, you'd find it by clicking the Reply button and select Reply to All. A whole hour, hunh? [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:Another upper mgmt lotus notes sucker (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 09:01 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#69) It took me an hour to find out how to flush the toilet, finally I bailed it out with my coffee mug. [ Reply to This | Parent ] greetings (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:09 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#32) i don't know where to post this. so i'm posting it here. i came to read slashdot about a month because several peers of mine said i would enjoy it. they were 49% correct. i enjoy any article that dosen't touch the topic of an O/S. i am not going to say what i personally run, could it be the freshest linux kernal...or the freshest windows build...the world will never know. what they will know, and probably not care, is that this entity known as slashdot is slowly losing all value as it turns into a linuxuser vs. msuser forum. wow. just what we needed. the computer world fighting each other in it's prime development stage. what you people don't realize is that both OS's are pretty much lame. any OS is lame out of the box. it's up to the specific user to cater his OS, and tailor it around him. rodney king said it, and I the anonymous coward state it loud and proud. who gives a shit what OS you run as long as you are enjoying it and getting the most out of it. thank you, anonymous coward slackware user who just so happens to not discredit windows. it's not the brush, it's the artist. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:greetings (Score:1) by kaball (gotrooted@redmond.org) on 08:15 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#34) (User Info) Umm what exactly can i do to "tailor" windows? Huh?... Get the src and hack it to my preferances? I think not. The only thing i could do is either use litestep for a mock wm effect =P, or *shudder* buy M$ Plus or something to add some lame feature to a powerless OS. No the only way to go is GNU/Linux or BSD. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:greetings (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:45 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#54) Why don't you go join AOL and chat about Brittney Spears and Ricky Martin with the other kiddies? "Oh, Friends is my favorite show." 'Oh my god, mine too! Aren't they funny?' [ Reply to This | Parent ] Official Navy Homo gets sucked by Roblimo (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:36 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#39) Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] SlashDot rules (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:38 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#41) Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" wow [ Reply to This | Parent ] Trolls above (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:39 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#42) and below Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] blah blah (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:39 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#43) blah blah Slashdot has to be the suckiest site on the entire Internet. And Roblimo and CmdTaco (the fuck buddies) are playing attacking Microsoft for all it is worth. "Hey Robin maybe if we attack Microsoft our stock will go up in LNUX ? Probably so CmdrTaco.. now get back to sucking my dick little man!" [ Reply to This | Parent ] yada (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:40 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#44) yada yada blah blah blah blah [ Reply to This | Parent ] YEAH, STICK IT TO THE MAN! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on 08:47 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#60) blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah yadda yadda blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah blah blah bblah blah bla
Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software. If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft?
BTW, has he not been looking into Windows 2000? [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re: arg html (Score:2) by TummyX on 07:48 AM February 12th, 2000 EST (#20) (User Info) why was the 'smart' html/text hybrid removed? I keep forgetting the default now is text not html
I second the motion! All in favor say "Aye".
THIS from the people who brought us COBOL?
Why not rename /. to Microsoft.die.die.die?
You Linux-freaks must have a low IQ.....
i take my grits orally (with butter and sugar) - god bless texas
yours truly,
AC
"..I get SOO mad when I can't just telnet into the NT box.
Why don't you just install a telnet server on your NT box?
Hey!? They say something against Microsoft and use a Windows character set on their website. This _is_ funny. Who sets this strange scores? Who calls me a Troll?
What Is a Digital Nervous System?
In the coming years, digital technology will radically increase the speed at which business is conducted. It will change the relationship between businesses and their customers, and it will transform the roles of individual workers. How well an organization adapts to this changing business landscape will depend on the health of its internal digital processes--its "digital nervous system."
"
Just as machinery provides tremendous physical power, digital processes can enhance organizational intelligence by giving workers the information necessary to be more effective.
Bill Gates
Chairman/CEO
Microsoft Corporation
Though a digital nervous system is built on a combination of hardware and software, it is not a product. Think of the role a biological nervous system plays in living organisms. It controls the basic systems--respiratory, circulatory, digestive--that make life possible. It also receives sensory stimuli, transmits them to the brain, and instantly triggers a response. In humans the nervous system makes it possible to think and plan with foresight and creativity.
An effective digital nervous system performs similar functions within an organization. It allows a company's internal processes to operate smoothly and quickly, enables an organization to respond to customer feedback quickly, gives it the ability to react to its competitive environment in a timely manner, and empowers employees with critical knowledge.
The key is how effectively an organization manages the flow of its digital information. All kinds of information--numbers, text, audio, video--can now be put into digital form. Widely-available hardware and software has also made it possible--and necessary--for organizations of all sizes to reshape the way they conduct their business. In fact, many companies have already made many of the necessary investments in information technology to allow employees to obtain, store, share, and act upon information in new ways, from corporate intranets to the global network of the Internet.
Success in this kind of environment, however, entails more than deploying technology. The idea is to employ it in a way that enhances how people work and that transforms how organizations operate. Businesses must create digital processes that manage and deliver important information to the employees who need it, helping them to respond effectively to changes and new opportunities, make decisions quickly, and fix problems as soon as they arise.
Just as machinery provides tremendous physical power, digital processes can enhance organizational intelligence by giving workers the information necessary to be more effective. There is no standard digital nervous system. Because each business is different, its digital system will reflect its unique needs and structure.
Ultimately, a digital nervous system will transform three major elements of any business: relationships to customers and business partners (e-commerce), information flow and relationships among workers within a company (knowledge management), and internal business processes (business operations). Microsoft is focused on developing products and partners that can help companies develop customized solutions in these three areas.
We hate Microsoft too! JOIN THE NAVY NOW!
Through all the pro-MS, anti-Slashdot infantile rants happening here, why hasn't this point come up? If MS's biggest customer is threatening to drop their product, it's news! Deal with it.
This guy is out of his mind. Making comments like this about Microsoft in public? Maybe he's not aware of the fact that Microsoft is a very large corporation with its own security people? This guy is nuts. He is playing with his very life. If he drops off the face of the Earth, none of us should be surprised.
This is a godsend for anybody that is looking to release themselves from the shackles of NT and try using an actual operating system for once.
Check out Ftrain for a review that trashes Microsoft Word.
It fails the troll consistency check? Ok, how about this? Enter Trollmond, WA, where we have Melinda and Bill cooking breakfast this fine Saturday morning. The grits are almost done and the two whiny brats are about to go to their rooms for being so insolent.
Mr. Gates walks up to her squeeze like when she was his secretary, "hey pooky, how about I launch a bug up your ass?"
Smiling, Mr. Gates nods in approval. Melinda squeals in excitement and pours the hot grits down Mr. Gates' underwear. Throwing off his glasses, he pins his aggressor onto the table and tears off her clothes. Quickly he turns her into stone.
Quickly he calls up Ballmer on the bat phone and declares, "you won't believe what I have just done!"
"What?" Ballmer chirped...
"I turned Melinda into stone!"
"Quick, let's release Windows 2000," Ballmer demanded as he summoned his marketing henchmen.
"Now let's turn every computer to stone with the statue of Melinda!"
"Excelleeeeent idea, Bill!"
Army guy, navy guy, what's the difference?
They're all the same, anyway.
"Don't ask. Don't tell."
I was on a Navy ship once, and the captain was running Doom. He said that was what they use to train the Marines on board to defend the ship against boarders.
What do you call a murderous herring?
Jack the Kipper!
It's good to see that art of comedy isn't dead.
L. Ron. Hubbard.
there are laws against 'hate speech' so im not allowed to parody the navy lest janet reno rape me with a 10 foot banana in order to preserve the peace... however i can say that the US navy shot down an airplane full of iranian civilians in the 80s not to mention countless other crimes against humanity, so , in short, dear navy: shut the fuck up
Very good link to CVW.
Please stop stories with "X critiques Microsoft...
Consider how easily the Chinese infiltrated our Nuclear Labs (Los Alamos) recently. Further, imagine how much easier it would be to stick an agent into Microsoft.
.gov or .mil system.
Since we all know MS doesn't have much code review, how difficult would it be to shove in a couple lines to form a nice trojan horse. Maybe a self-destruct mechanism or just a CC to commies@china.com for every piece of e-mail that passes through a
If I was the Navy, I'd DEMAND Open Source Software and I'd damn well code review it myself.
Wait until (as Kurt Vonnegut writes) the
Before getting too upset about Iran, learn about how the USA helped the Shah set up Savak. From what I've read/heard, it's not honorable.
...slashdot already has enough losers providing "color".
The divide by zero error was in the application itself, not NT Server. Microsoft is responsible for bugs in other companies' software?
The problem is this means Satan is coming soon. Why didn't I build that bunker when I had the chance?
You obviously have never used W2K. Most of the W2K bashers on ./ haven't.
If he's found something that he prefers, then why does he keep paying MS and whining about it? Why not just register his shareware and be done with it?
Shit, with his budget, he can afford to just outright buy whatever software that he wants, with source, and then be free forever.
I think this guy just wants to pinch MS so that he can get on their payroll and get other special favors. When he goes to see Balmer, you can bet he'll bring an extra condom with him.
DUMBASS
My thinking exactly. If this guy was really looking for a good solution, he would just buy the shareware. He must want something "special" (e.g. kickback) from Microsoft. Note to IRS: take a good look at this guy's bank account if he ends up buying Microsoft products again this year.
Would you? C'mon, Microsoft has had plenty of chances to get it right. After some point, one's expectations become a function of past performance. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me five times, shame on me.) Considering that the overall quality of Microsoft products has been dropping, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time investigating Windows 2000, especially this year. Maybe in 2003 when it comes out of beta, it will be worthy of a brief glance. But only after all other possibilities, which are more likely to bear fruit, have been investigated. For example, I would take a good hard look at recycling VIC-20s and TI99/4as before becoming desperate enough to settle for Windows 2000. Just as I would thoroughly check out Windows 2000 before giving up and settling on a Timex-Sinclair 1000 or ZX81.
It's just common sense.
When your ship rolls past the angle of no return, and capsizes, you know the difference.
When you have to abandon ship hundreds of miles from land, you know the difference.
Army doesn't need gyro stabilization for stationary guns on land; nice feature in tanks.
Torpedoes and depth charges work really poorly on land.
Korean war vet, here; was lucky.
Kissin' ass and droppin' names!
so stop blabbering about what they did to us and accept fucking responsibility for the babies and old women we killed with our taxpayer funded US Navy, our tax payer funded ship-to-air missiles , and our tax payer funded commanders and servicemen who blew their bodies all over the water.
Too bad Mr. Navyman can't be specific about what he's saying. How soon we forget that the U.S. Government has no idea how to run a business. And we don't even have to talk about how inefficiently the armed forces is run. It's pretty typical that he can bash a big target like Microsoft but he can't give one argument to support his contention. Sounds like he's another politician that wants to jump on the "bash-Microsoft-to-draw-attention-away-from-my-own -inadequecies" bandwagon.
get a life
I doubt the guy has a legitimate complaint. It's simply cool to bash Microsoft, especially if you're in the biggest monopoly of all: The money sucking $600 hammer wastage government. So humorous hearing some military clown griping about MS.
I'd also question their "We're their number 1 customer!". Yeah, sure you are.
This one certainly took me by surprise: The Flag icon next to a Non-John-Katz Article. Amazing!
after i got off work at the stock exchange i went down to mistress moderators dungeon of pleasure, in beautiful downtown ypsilanti michigan. she was wearing a black leather corset that had the windows 95 logo embossed across its front. she said 'welcome jerry i am glad to see you again. now on your knees!' playing my rebellious game, i was slow to comply. she noticed this at once and i swear there was a smile across her face as she smacked me with an Oracle manual and told me to stop stalling. i protested she was too harsh. she merely laughed and smacked me with an old mouse "that's -1 for you, troll slave". then she made me look at pictures of naked jackie chan and said 'do you like this, little troll slut?" i said "mistress moderator this chain is too tight" and she smacked me "MINUS ONE, OFFTOPIC." then she asked again"do you like looking at naked ascii of jackie chan?" "no mistress" then she started stroking my privates with a sony Vaio, 'mmm i think you are lying to me' and as my penis engorged itself with blood i couldnt help but wonder if maybe some hot grits wouldnt go well with this forced homosexual encounter with images of naked jackie chan.
Bloated Goates/Dumbino is still outselling Outhouse/Sexchange.
We've had the frontPage version of Apache running on our linux server for about 2-3 years now without a hitch. Security is tough (big surprise!), so get the latest version and configure it as per the instructions. Mike
Then it's time to bring back McCarthy and flush these disloyal traitors out.
if they were using linux they would have gotton a stack dump and the partition on their HD would have been deleted!
windows is bad...but linux is worse
----not flaimbait...just my Opinion
That is funny! Hewlett-Packard does not use OpenMail for mail. They use Exchange. Isn't there a dog food test this is failing?
That didn't hold up over time. I'd love to see SPAWAR jump on this, but I can't see it.
This guy rants on microsoft products yet he doesn't state specific examples. He probably hasn't even spoken on the behalf of the navy to microsoft. How are developers supposed to deal with stupid customers, telepathically?
I think that the US Navy should get OpenBSD.
If this bill to ban criticism of software passes, it'll only be the military that'll feel safe to say anything bad... :(
My god that was a scary article. "Future SmartShips will have systems redundancy to ensure ships can continue to operate." Duuuh! Redundancy's only the very very first principle in building a reliable system! Did none of these go to school!?!? "Although Unix is more reliable, NT may become more reliable with time." So explain why the hell you invest in a system which may become reliable rather than one which already is???? "It wasn't as bad as all that, propulsion was only out for 2 hr 45 min" (paraphrase). Almighty, the Titanic and the Bismark were holed and sunk in far less time than that. What grade of clinical idiot do you have to be to think this is any way to run a navy?!?!?
Yeah, it sucks bad when linux fills up your disk with that useless debugging information...
So we could se how much your HTML sucks... italic? line break? My God.
And the funny part is you don't even know why you suck.
LOL
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1 9);*/ ;
1 9);*/ ;
* css_descramble.c
*
* Released under the version 2 of the GPL.
*
* Copyright 1999 Derek Fawcus
*
* This file contains functions to descramble CSS encrypted DVD content
*
*/
/*
* Still in progress: Remove the use of the bit_reverse[] table by recoding
* the generation of LFSR1. Finish combining this with
* the css authentication code.
*
*/
#include
#include
#include "css-descramble.h"
typedef unsigned char byte;
/*
*
* some tables used for descrambling sectors and/or decrypting title keys
*
*/
static byte csstab1[256]=
{
0x33,0x73,0x3b,0x26,0x63,0x23,0x6b,0x76,0x3e,0x7e
66,0x7b,
0xd3,0x93,0xdb,0x06,0x43,0x03,0x4b,0x96,0xde,0x9e
46,0x9b,
0x57,0x17,0x5f,0x82,0xc7,0x87,0xcf,0x12,0x5a,0x1a
c2,0x1f,
0xd9,0x99,0xd1,0x00,0x49,0x09,0x41,0x90,0xd8,0x98
40,0x91,
0x3d,0x7d,0x35,0x24,0x6d,0x2d,0x65,0x74,0x3c,0x7c
64,0x75,
0xdd,0x9d,0xd5,0x04,0x4d,0x0d,0x45,0x94,0xdc,0x9c
44,0x95,
0x59,0x19,0x51,0x80,0xc9,0x89,0xc1,0x10,0x58,0x18
c0,0x11,
0xd7,0x97,0xdf,0x02,0x47,0x07,0x4f,0x92,0xda,0x9a
42,0x9f,
0x53,0x13,0x5b,0x86,0xc3,0x83,0xcb,0x16,0x5e,0x1e
c6,0x1b,
0xb3,0xf3,0xbb,0xa6,0xe3,0xa3,0xeb,0xf6,0xbe,0xfe
e6,0xfb,
0x37,0x77,0x3f,0x22,0x67,0x27,0x6f,0x72,0x3a,0x7a
62,0x7f,
0xb9,0xf9,0xb1,0xa0,0xe9,0xa9,0xe1,0xf0,0xb8,0xf8
e0,0xf1,
0x5d,0x1d,0x55,0x84,0xcd,0x8d,0xc5,0x14,0x5c,0x1c
c4,0x15,
0xbd,0xfd,0xb5,0xa4,0xed,0xad,0xe5,0xf4,0xbc,0xfc
e4,0xf5,
0x39,0x79,0x31,0x20,0x69,0x29,0x61,0x70,0x38,0x78
60,0x71,
0xb7,0xf7,0xbf,0xa2,0xe7,0xa7,0xef,0xf2,0xba,0xfa
e2,0xff
};
static byte lfsr1_bits0[256]=
{
0x00,0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x09,0x08
0f,0x0e,
0x12,0x13,0x10,0x11,0x16,0x17,0x14,0x15,0x1b,0x1a
1d,0x1c,
0x24,0x25,0x26,0x27,0x20,0x21,0x22,0x23,0x2d,0x2c
2b,0x2a,
0x36,0x37,0x34,0x35,0x32,0x33,0x30,0x31,0x3f,0x3e
39,0x38,
0x49,0x48,0x4b,0x4a,0x4d,0x4c,0x4f,0x4e,0x40,0x41
46,0x47,
0x5b,0x5a,0x59,0x58,0x5f,0x5e,0x5d,0x5c,0x52,0x53
54,0x55,
0x6d,0x6c,0x6f,0x6e,0x69,0x68,0x6b,0x6a,0x64,0x65
62,0x63,
0x7f,0x7e,0x7d,0x7c,0x7b,0x7a,0x79,0x78,0x76,0x77
70,0x71,
0x92,0x93,0x90,0x91,0x96,0x97,0x94,0x95,0x9b,0x9a
9d,0x9c,
0x80,0x81,0x82,0x83,0x84,0x85,0x86,0x87,0x89,0x88
8f,0x8e,
0xb6,0xb7,0xb4,0xb5,0xb2,0xb3,0xb0,0xb1,0xbf,0xbe
b9,0xb8,
0xa4,0xa5,0xa6,0xa7,0xa0,0xa1,0xa2,0xa3,0xad,0xac
ab,0xaa,
0xdb,0xda,0xd9,0xd8,0xdf,0xde,0xdd,0xdc,0xd2,0xd3
d4,0xd5,
0xc9,0xc8,0xcb,0xca,0xcd,0xcc,0xcf,0xce,0xc0,0xc1
c6,0xc7,
0xff,0xfe,0xfd,0xfc,0xfb,0xfa,0xf9,0xf8,0xf6,0xf7
f0,0xf1,
0xed,0xec,0xef,0xee,0xe9,0xe8,0xeb,0xea,0xe4,0xe5
e2,0xe3
};
static byte lfsr1_bits1[512]=
{
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff,
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
db,0xff
};
/* Reverse the order of the bits within a byte.
*/
static byte bit_reverse[256]=
{
0x00,0x80,0x40,0xc0,0x20,0xa0,0x60,0xe0,0x10,0x90
70,0xf0,
0x08,0x88,0x48,0xc8,0x28,0xa8,0x68,0xe8,0x18,0x98
78,0xf8,
0x04,0x84,0x44,0xc4,0x24,0xa4,0x64,0xe4,0x14,0x94
74,0xf4,
0x0c,0x8c,0x4c,0xcc,0x2c,0xac,0x6c,0xec,0x1c,0x9c
7c,0xfc,
0x02,0x82,0x42,0xc2,0x22,0xa2,0x62,0xe2,0x12,0x92
72,0xf2,
0x0a,0x8a,0x4a,0xca,0x2a,0xaa,0x6a,0xea,0x1a,0x9a
7a,0xfa,
0x06,0x86,0x46,0xc6,0x26,0xa6,0x66,0xe6,0x16,0x96
76,0xf6,
0x0e,0x8e,0x4e,0xce,0x2e,0xae,0x6e,0xee,0x1e,0x9e
7e,0xfe,
0x01,0x81,0x41,0xc1,0x21,0xa1,0x61,0xe1,0x11,0x91
71,0xf1,
0x09,0x89,0x49,0xc9,0x29,0xa9,0x69,0xe9,0x19,0x99
79,0xf9,
0x05,0x85,0x45,0xc5,0x25,0xa5,0x65,0xe5,0x15,0x95
75,0xf5,
0x0d,0x8d,0x4d,0xcd,0x2d,0xad,0x6d,0xed,0x1d,0x9d
7d,0xfd,
0x03,0x83,0x43,0xc3,0x23,0xa3,0x63,0xe3,0x13,0x93
73,0xf3,
0x0b,0x8b,0x4b,0xcb,0x2b,0xab,0x6b,0xeb,0x1b,0x9b
7b,0xfb,
0x07,0x87,0x47,0xc7,0x27,0xa7,0x67,0xe7,0x17,0x97
77,0xf7,
0x0f,0x8f,0x4f,0xcf,0x2f,0xaf,0x6f,0xef,0x1f,0x9f
7f,0xff
};
/*
*
* this function is only used internally when decrypting title key
*
*/
static void css_titlekey(byte *key, byte *im, byte invert)
{
unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
byte o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
byte k[5];
int i;
lfsr1_lo = im[0] | 0x100;
lfsr1_hi = im[1];
lfsr0 = ((im[4] >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)
&0xff];
combined = 0;
for (i = 0; i >1;
lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>
o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7)
lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
}
key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]]^key[4];
key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]];
}
/*
*
* this function decrypts a title key with the specified disk key
*
* tkey: the unobfuscated title key (XORed with BusKey)
* dkey: the unobfuscated disk key (XORed with BusKey)
* 2048 bytes in length (though only 5 bytes are needed, see below)
* pkey: array of pointers to player keys and disk key offsets
*
*
* use the result returned in tkey with css_descramble
*
*/
int css_decrypttitlekey(byte *tkey, byte *dkey, struct playkey **pkey)
{
byte test[5], pretkey[5];
int i = 0;
for (; *pkey; ++pkey, ++i) {
memcpy(pretkey, dkey + (*pkey)->offset, 5);
css_titlekey(pretkey, (*pkey)->key, 0);
memcpy(test, dkey, 5);
css_titlekey(test, pretkey, 0);
if (memcmp(test, pretkey, 5) == 0) {
fprintf(stderr, "Using Key %d\n", i+1);
break;
}
}
if (!*pkey) {
fprintf(stderr, "Shit - Need Key %d\n", i+1);
return 0;
}
css_titlekey(tkey, pretkey, 0xff);
return 1;
}
/*
*
* this function does the actual descrambling
*
* sec: encrypted sector (2048 bytes)
* key: decrypted title key obtained from css_decrypttitlekey
*
*/
void css_descramble(byte *sec,byte *key)
{
unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
unsigned char o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
unsigned char *end = sec + 0x800;
#define SALTED(i) (key[i] ^ sec[0x54 + (i)])
lfsr1_lo = SALTED(0) | 0x100;
lfsr1_hi = SALTED(1);
lfsr0 = ((SALTED(4) >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)
&0xff];
sec+=0x80;
combined = 0;
while (sec != end) {
o_lfsr1 = lfsr1_bits0[lfsr1_hi] ^ lfsr1_bits1[lfsr1_lo];
lfsr1_hi = lfsr1_lo>>1;
lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>
o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7)
lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
}
}
/*
/* In order to ensure that the LFSR works we need to ensure that the
/* Feed the secret into the input values such that
/* This term is used throughout the following to
/* Now the actual blocks doing the encryption. Each
* Copyright (C) 1999 Derek Fawcus
*
* This code may be used under the terms of Version 2 of the GPL,
* read the file COPYING for details.
*
*/
/*
* These routines do some reordering of the supplied data before
* calling engine() to do the main work.
*
* The reordering seems similar to that done by the initial stages of
* the DES algorithm, in that it looks like it's just been done to
* try and make software decoding slower. I'm not sure that it
* actually adds anything to the security.
*
* The nature of the shuffling is that the bits of the supplied
* parameter 'varient' are reorganised (and some inverted), and
* the bytes of the parameter 'challenge' are reorganised.
*
* The reorganisation in each routine is different, and the first
* (CryptKey1) does not bother of play with the 'varient' parameter.
*
* Since this code is only run once per disk change, I've made the
* code table driven in order to improve readability.
*
* Since these routines are so similar to each other, one could even
* abstract them all to one routine supplied a parameter determining
* the nature of the reordering it has to do.
*/
#include "css-auth.h"
typedef unsigned long u32;
static void engine(int varient, byte const *input, struct block *output);
void CryptKey1(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key)
{
static byte perm_challenge[] = {1,3,0,7,5, 2,9,6,4,8};
byte scratch[10];
int i;
for (i = 9; i >= 0; --i)
scratch[i] = challenge[perm_challenge[i]];
engine(varient, scratch, key);
}
/* This shuffles the bits in varient to make perm_varient such that
* 4 -> !3
* 3 -> 4
* varient bits: 2 -> 0 perm_varient bits
* 1 -> 2
* 0 -> !1
*/
void CryptKey2(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key)
{
static byte perm_challenge[] = {6,1,9,3,8, 5,7,4,0,2};
static byte perm_varient[] = {
0x0a, 0x08, 0x0e, 0x0c, 0x0b, 0x09, 0x0f, 0x0d,
0x1a, 0x18, 0x1e, 0x1c, 0x1b, 0x19, 0x1f, 0x1d,
0x02, 0x00, 0x06, 0x04, 0x03, 0x01, 0x07, 0x05,
0x12, 0x10, 0x16, 0x14, 0x13, 0x11, 0x17, 0x15};
byte scratch[10];
int i;
for (i = 9; i >= 0; --i)
scratch[i] = challenge[perm_challenge[i]];
engine(perm_varient[varient], scratch, key);
}
/* This shuffles the bits in varient to make perm_varient such that
* 4 -> 0
* 3 -> !1
* varient bits: 2 -> !4 perm_varient bits
* 1 -> 2
* 0 -> 3
*/
void CryptBusKey(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key)
{
static byte perm_challenge[] = {4,0,3,5,7, 2,8,6,1,9};
static byte perm_varient[] = {
0x12, 0x1a, 0x16, 0x1e, 0x02, 0x0a, 0x06, 0x0e,
0x10, 0x18, 0x14, 0x1c, 0x00, 0x08, 0x04, 0x0c,
0x13, 0x1b, 0x17, 0x1f, 0x03, 0x0b, 0x07, 0x0f,
0x11, 0x19, 0x15, 0x1d, 0x01, 0x09, 0x05, 0x0d};
byte scratch[10];
int i;
for (i = 9; i >= 0; --i)
scratch[i] = challenge[perm_challenge[i]];
engine(perm_varient[varient], scratch, key);
}
/*
* We use two LFSR's (seeded from some of the input data bytes) to
* generate two streams of pseudo-random bits. These two bit streams
* are then combined by simply adding with carry to generate a final
* sequence of pseudo-random bits which is stored in the buffer that
* 'output' points to the end of - len is the size of this buffer.
*
* The first LFSR is of degree 25, and has a polynomial of:
* x^13 + x^5 + x^4 + x^1 + 1
*
* The second LSFR is of degree 17, and has a (primitive) polynomial of:
* x^15 + x^1 + 1
*
* I don't know if these polynomials are primitive modulo 2, and thus
* represent maximal-period LFSR's.
*
*
* Note that we take the output of each LFSR from the new shifted in
* bit, not the old shifted out bit. Thus for ease of use the LFSR's
* are implemented in bit reversed order.
*
*/
static void generate_bits(byte *output, int len, struct block const *s)
{
u32 lfsr0, lfsr1;
byte carry;
* initial values are non-zero. Thus when we initialise them from
* the seed, we ensure that a bit is set.
*/
lfsr0 = (s->b[0] b[1] b[2] & ~7) b[2] & 7);
lfsr1 = (s->b[3] b[4];
++output;
carry = 0;
do {
int bit;
byte val;
for (bit = 0, val = 0; bit > 24) ^ (lfsr0 >> 21) ^ (lfsr0 >> 20) ^ (lfsr0 >> 12)) & 1;
lfsr0 = (lfsr0 > 16) ^ (lfsr1 >> 2)) & 1;
lfsr1 = (lfsr1 > 1) & 1)
combined = !o_lfsr1 + carry + !o_lfsr0;
carry = BIT1(combined);
val |= BIT0(combined) 0);
}
static byte Secret[];
static byte Varients[];
static byte Table0[];
static byte Table1[];
static byte Table2[];
static byte Table3[];
/*
* This encryption engine implements one of 32 variations
* one the same theme depending upon the choice in the
* varient parameter (0 - 31).
*
* The algorithm itself manipulates a 40 bit input into
* a 40 bit output.
* The parameter 'input' is 80 bits. It consists of
* the 40 bit input value that is to be encrypted followed
* by a 40 bit seed value for the pseudo random number
* generators.
*/
static void engine(int varient, byte const *input, struct block *output)
{
byte cse, term, index;
struct block temp1;
struct block temp2;
byte bits[30];
int i;
* we alter the seed to the LFSR's used above, then
* generate the bits to play with.
*/
for (i = 5; --i >= 0; )
temp1.b[i] = input[5 + i] ^ Secret[i] ^ Table2[i];
generate_bits(&bits[29], sizeof bits, &temp1);
* select one of 32 different variations on the
* algorithm.
*/
cse = Varients[varient] ^ Table2[varient];
* of these works on 40 bits at a time and are quite
* similar.
*/
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = input[i]) {
index = bits[25 + i] ^ input[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
temp1.b[i] = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
}
temp1.b[4] ^= temp1.b[0];
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = temp1.b[i]) {
index = bits[20 + i] ^ temp1.b[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
temp2.b[i] = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
}
temp2.b[4] ^= temp2.b[0];
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = temp2.b[i]) {
index = bits[15 + i] ^ temp2.b[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
index = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
temp1.b[i] = Table0[index] ^ Table2[index];
}
temp1.b[4] ^= temp1.b[0];
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = temp1.b[i]) {
index = bits[10 + i] ^ temp1.b[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
index = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
temp2.b[i] = Table0[index] ^ Table2[index];
}
temp2.b[4] ^= temp2.b[0];
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = temp2.b[i]) {
index = bits[5 + i] ^ temp2.b[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
temp1.b[i] = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
}
temp1.b[4] ^= temp1.b[0];
for (i = 5, term = 0; --i >= 0; term = temp1.b[i]) {
index = bits[i] ^ temp1.b[i];
index = Table1[index] ^ ~Table2[index] ^ cse;
output->b[i] = Table2[index] ^ Table3[index] ^ term;
}
}
static byte Varients[] = {
0xB7, 0x74, 0x85, 0xD0, 0xCC, 0xDB, 0xCA, 0x73,
0x03, 0xFE, 0x31, 0x03, 0x52, 0xE0, 0xB7, 0x42,
0x63, 0x16, 0xF2, 0x2A, 0x79, 0x52, 0xFF, 0x1B,
0x7A, 0x11, 0xCA, 0x1A, 0x9B, 0x40, 0xAD, 0x01};
static byte Secret[] = {0x55, 0xD6, 0xC4, 0xC5, 0x28};
static byte Table0[] = {
0xB7, 0xF4, 0x82, 0x57, 0xDA, 0x4D, 0xDB, 0xE2,
0x2F, 0x52, 0x1A, 0xA8, 0x68, 0x5A, 0x8A, 0xFF,
0xFB, 0x0E, 0x6D, 0x35, 0xF7, 0x5C, 0x76, 0x12,
0xCE, 0x25, 0x79, 0x29, 0x39, 0x62, 0x08, 0x24,
0xA5, 0x85, 0x7B, 0x56, 0x01, 0x23, 0x68, 0xCF,
0x0A, 0xE2, 0x5A, 0xED, 0x3D, 0x59, 0xB0, 0xA9,
0xB0, 0x2C, 0xF2, 0xB8, 0xEF, 0x32, 0xA9, 0x40,
0x80, 0x71, 0xAF, 0x1E, 0xDE, 0x8F, 0x58, 0x88,
0xB8, 0x3A, 0xD0, 0xFC, 0xC4, 0x1E, 0xB5, 0xA0,
0xBB, 0x3B, 0x0F, 0x01, 0x7E, 0x1F, 0x9F, 0xD9,
0xAA, 0xB8, 0x3D, 0x9D, 0x74, 0x1E, 0x25, 0xDB,
0x37, 0x56, 0x8F, 0x16, 0xBA, 0x49, 0x2B, 0xAC,
0xD0, 0xBD, 0x95, 0x20, 0xBE, 0x7A, 0x28, 0xD0,
0x51, 0x64, 0x63, 0x1C, 0x7F, 0x66, 0x10, 0xBB,
0xC4, 0x56, 0x1A, 0x04, 0x6E, 0x0A, 0xEC, 0x9C,
0xD6, 0xE8, 0x9A, 0x7A, 0xCF, 0x8C, 0xDB, 0xB1,
0xEF, 0x71, 0xDE, 0x31, 0xFF, 0x54, 0x3E, 0x5E,
0x07, 0x69, 0x96, 0xB0, 0xCF, 0xDD, 0x9E, 0x47,
0xC7, 0x96, 0x8F, 0xE4, 0x2B, 0x59, 0xC6, 0xEE,
0xB9, 0x86, 0x9A, 0x64, 0x84, 0x72, 0xE2, 0x5B,
0xA2, 0x96, 0x58, 0x99, 0x50, 0x03, 0xF5, 0x38,
0x4D, 0x02, 0x7D, 0xE7, 0x7D, 0x75, 0xA7, 0xB8,
0x67, 0x87, 0x84, 0x3F, 0x1D, 0x11, 0xE5, 0xFC,
0x1E, 0xD3, 0x83, 0x16, 0xA5, 0x29, 0xF6, 0xC7,
0x15, 0x61, 0x29, 0x1A, 0x43, 0x4F, 0x9B, 0xAF,
0xC5, 0x87, 0x34, 0x6C, 0x0F, 0x3B, 0xA8, 0x1D,
0x45, 0x58, 0x25, 0xDC, 0xA8, 0xA3, 0x3B, 0xD1,
0x79, 0x1B, 0x48, 0xF2, 0xE9, 0x93, 0x1F, 0xFC,
0xDB, 0x2A, 0x90, 0xA9, 0x8A, 0x3D, 0x39, 0x18,
0xA3, 0x8E, 0x58, 0x6C, 0xE0, 0x12, 0xBB, 0x25,
0xCD, 0x71, 0x22, 0xA2, 0x64, 0xC6, 0xE7, 0xFB,
0xAD, 0x94, 0x77, 0x04, 0x9A, 0x39, 0xCF, 0x7C};
static byte Table1[] = {
0x8C, 0x47, 0xB0, 0xE1, 0xEB, 0xFC, 0xEB, 0x56,
0x10, 0xE5, 0x2C, 0x1A, 0x5D, 0xEF, 0xBE, 0x4F,
0x08, 0x75, 0x97, 0x4B, 0x0E, 0x25, 0x8E, 0x6E,
0x39, 0x5A, 0x87, 0x53, 0xC4, 0x1F, 0xF4, 0x5C,
0x4E, 0xE6, 0x99, 0x30, 0xE0, 0x42, 0x88, 0xAB,
0xE5, 0x85, 0xBC, 0x8F, 0xD8, 0x3C, 0x54, 0xC9,
0x53, 0x47, 0x18, 0xD6, 0x06, 0x5B, 0x41, 0x2C,
0x67, 0x1E, 0x41, 0x74, 0x33, 0xE2, 0xB4, 0xE0,
0x23, 0x29, 0x42, 0xEA, 0x55, 0x0F, 0x25, 0xB4,
0x24, 0x2C, 0x99, 0x13, 0xEB, 0x0A, 0x0B, 0xC9,
0xF9, 0x63, 0x67, 0x43, 0x2D, 0xC7, 0x7D, 0x07,
0x60, 0x89, 0xD1, 0xCC, 0xE7, 0x94, 0x77, 0x74,
0x9B, 0x7E, 0xD7, 0xE6, 0xFF, 0xBB, 0x68, 0x14,
0x1E, 0xA3, 0x25, 0xDE, 0x3A, 0xA3, 0x54, 0x7B,
0x87, 0x9D, 0x50, 0xCA, 0x27, 0xC3, 0xA4, 0x50,
0x91, 0x27, 0xD4, 0xB0, 0x82, 0x41, 0x97, 0x79,
0x94, 0x82, 0xAC, 0xC7, 0x8E, 0xA5, 0x4E, 0xAA,
0x78, 0x9E, 0xE0, 0x42, 0xBA, 0x28, 0xEA, 0xB7,
0x74, 0xAD, 0x35, 0xDA, 0x92, 0x60, 0x7E, 0xD2,
0x0E, 0xB9, 0x24, 0x5E, 0x39, 0x4F, 0x5E, 0x63,
0x09, 0xB5, 0xFA, 0xBF, 0xF1, 0x22, 0x55, 0x1C,
0xE2, 0x25, 0xDB, 0xC5, 0xD8, 0x50, 0x03, 0x98,
0xC4, 0xAC, 0x2E, 0x11, 0xB4, 0x38, 0x4D, 0xD0,
0xB9, 0xFC, 0x2D, 0x3C, 0x08, 0x04, 0x5A, 0xEF,
0xCE, 0x32, 0xFB, 0x4C, 0x92, 0x1E, 0x4B, 0xFB,
0x1A, 0xD0, 0xE2, 0x3E, 0xDA, 0x6E, 0x7C, 0x4D,
0x56, 0xC3, 0x3F, 0x42, 0xB1, 0x3A, 0x23, 0x4D,
0x6E, 0x84, 0x56, 0x68, 0xF4, 0x0E, 0x03, 0x64,
0xD0, 0xA9, 0x92, 0x2F, 0x8B, 0xBC, 0x39, 0x9C,
0xAC, 0x09, 0x5E, 0xEE, 0xE5, 0x97, 0xBF, 0xA5,
0xCE, 0xFA, 0x28, 0x2C, 0x6D, 0x4F, 0xEF, 0x77,
0xAA, 0x1B, 0x79, 0x8E, 0x97, 0xB4, 0xC3, 0xF4};
static byte Table2[] = {
0xB7, 0x75, 0x81, 0xD5, 0xDC, 0xCA, 0xDE, 0x66,
0x23, 0xDF, 0x15, 0x26, 0x62, 0xD1, 0x83, 0x77,
0xE3, 0x97, 0x76, 0xAF, 0xE9, 0xC3, 0x6B, 0x8E,
0xDA, 0xB0, 0x6E, 0xBF, 0x2B, 0xF1, 0x19, 0xB4,
0x95, 0x34, 0x48, 0xE4, 0x37, 0x94, 0x5D, 0x7B,
0x36, 0x5F, 0x65, 0x53, 0x07, 0xE2, 0x89, 0x11,
0x98, 0x85, 0xD9, 0x12, 0xC1, 0x9D, 0x84, 0xEC,
0xA4, 0xD4, 0x88, 0xB8, 0xFC, 0x2C, 0x79, 0x28,
0xD8, 0xDB, 0xB3, 0x1E, 0xA2, 0xF9, 0xD0, 0x44,
0xD7, 0xD6, 0x60, 0xEF, 0x14, 0xF4, 0xF6, 0x31,
0xD2, 0x41, 0x46, 0x67, 0x0A, 0xE1, 0x58, 0x27,
0x43, 0xA3, 0xF8, 0xE0, 0xC8, 0xBA, 0x5A, 0x5C,
0x80, 0x6C, 0xC6, 0xF2, 0xE8, 0xAD, 0x7D, 0x04,
0x0D, 0xB9, 0x3C, 0xC2, 0x25, 0xBD, 0x49, 0x63,
0x8C, 0x9F, 0x51, 0xCE, 0x20, 0xC5, 0xA1, 0x50,
0x92, 0x2D, 0xDD, 0xBC, 0x8D, 0x4F, 0x9A, 0x71,
0x2F, 0x30, 0x1D, 0x73, 0x39, 0x13, 0xFB, 0x1A,
0xCB, 0x24, 0x59, 0xFE, 0x05, 0x96, 0x57, 0x0F,
0x1F, 0xCF, 0x54, 0xBE, 0xF5, 0x06, 0x1B, 0xB2,
0x6D, 0xD3, 0x4D, 0x32, 0x56, 0x21, 0x33, 0x0B,
0x52, 0xE7, 0xAB, 0xEB, 0xA6, 0x74, 0x00, 0x4C,
0xB1, 0x7F, 0x82, 0x99, 0x87, 0x0E, 0x5E, 0xC0,
0x8F, 0xEE, 0x6F, 0x55, 0xF3, 0x7E, 0x08, 0x90,
0xFA, 0xB6, 0x64, 0x70, 0x47, 0x4A, 0x17, 0xA7,
0xB5, 0x40, 0x8A, 0x38, 0xE5, 0x68, 0x3E, 0x8B,
0x69, 0xAA, 0x9B, 0x42, 0xA5, 0x10, 0x01, 0x35,
0xFD, 0x61, 0x9E, 0xE6, 0x16, 0x9C, 0x86, 0xED,
0xCD, 0x2E, 0xFF, 0xC4, 0x5B, 0xA0, 0xAE, 0xCC,
0x4B, 0x3B, 0x03, 0xBB, 0x1C, 0x2A, 0xAC, 0x0C,
0x3F, 0x93, 0xC7, 0x72, 0x7A, 0x09, 0x22, 0x3D,
0x45, 0x78, 0xA9, 0xA8, 0xEA, 0xC9, 0x6A, 0xF7,
0x29, 0x91, 0xF0, 0x02, 0x18, 0x3A, 0x4E, 0x7C};
static byte Table3[] = {
0x73, 0x51, 0x95, 0xE1, 0x12, 0xE4, 0xC0, 0x58,
0xEE, 0xF2, 0x08, 0x1B, 0xA9, 0xFA, 0x98, 0x4C,
0xA7, 0x33, 0xE2, 0x1B, 0xA7, 0x6D, 0xF5, 0x30,
0x97, 0x1D, 0xF3, 0x02, 0x60, 0x5A, 0x82, 0x0F,
0x91, 0xD0, 0x9C, 0x10, 0x39, 0x7A, 0x83, 0x85,
0x3B, 0xB2, 0xB8, 0xAE, 0x0C, 0x09, 0x52, 0xEA,
0x1C, 0xE1, 0x8D, 0x66, 0x4F, 0xF3, 0xDA, 0x92,
0x29, 0xB9, 0xD5, 0xC5, 0x77, 0x47, 0x22, 0x53,
0x14, 0xF7, 0xAF, 0x22, 0x64, 0xDF, 0xC6, 0x72,
0x12, 0xF3, 0x75, 0xDA, 0xD7, 0xD7, 0xE5, 0x02,
0x9E, 0xED, 0xDA, 0xDB, 0x4C, 0x47, 0xCE, 0x91,
0x06, 0x06, 0x6D, 0x55, 0x8B, 0x19, 0xC9, 0xEF,
0x8C, 0x80, 0x1A, 0x0E, 0xEE, 0x4B, 0xAB, 0xF2,
0x08, 0x5C, 0xE9, 0x37, 0x26, 0x5E, 0x9A, 0x90,
0x00, 0xF3, 0x0D, 0xB2, 0xA6, 0xA3, 0xF7, 0x26,
0x17, 0x48, 0x88, 0xC9, 0x0E, 0x2C, 0xC9, 0x02,
0xE7, 0x18, 0x05, 0x4B, 0xF3, 0x39, 0xE1, 0x20,
0x02, 0x0D, 0x40, 0xC7, 0xCA, 0xB9, 0x48, 0x30,
0x57, 0x67, 0xCC, 0x06, 0xBF, 0xAC, 0x81, 0x08,
0x24, 0x7A, 0xD4, 0x8B, 0x19, 0x8E, 0xAC, 0xB4,
0x5A, 0x0F, 0x73, 0x13, 0xAC, 0x9E, 0xDA, 0xB6,
0xB8, 0x96, 0x5B, 0x60, 0x88, 0xE1, 0x81, 0x3F,
0x07, 0x86, 0x37, 0x2D, 0x79, 0x14, 0x52, 0xEA,
0x73, 0xDF, 0x3D, 0x09, 0xC8, 0x25, 0x48, 0xD8,
0x75, 0x60, 0x9A, 0x08, 0x27, 0x4A, 0x2C, 0xB9,
0xA8, 0x8B, 0x8A, 0x73, 0x62, 0x37, 0x16, 0x02,
0xBD, 0xC1, 0x0E, 0x56, 0x54, 0x3E, 0x14, 0x5F,
0x8C, 0x8F, 0x6E, 0x75, 0x1C, 0x07, 0x39, 0x7B,
0x4B, 0xDB, 0xD3, 0x4B, 0x1E, 0xC8, 0x7E, 0xFE,
0x3E, 0x72, 0x16, 0x83, 0x7D, 0xEE, 0xF5, 0xCA,
0xC5, 0x18, 0xF9, 0xD8, 0x68, 0xAB, 0x38, 0x85,
0xA8, 0xF0, 0xA1, 0x73, 0x9F, 0x5D, 0x19, 0x0B,
0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,
0x33, 0x72, 0x39, 0x25, 0x67, 0x26, 0x6D, 0x71,
0x36, 0x77, 0x3C, 0x20, 0x62, 0x23, 0x68, 0x74,
0xC3, 0x82, 0xC9, 0x15, 0x57, 0x16, 0x5D, 0x81};
/*
/* __linux__ */
/* DVD specific ? */ /* DVD specific ? */
* css-cat.c
*
* Copyright 1999 Derek Fawcus.
*
* Released under version 2 of the GPL.
*
* Decode selected sector types from a CSS encoded DVD to stdout. Use as a
* filter on the input to mpeg2player or ac3dec.
*
*/
#include
#include
#if defined(__linux__)
# include
#endif
#include
#include
#include
#include "css-descramble.h"
static struct playkey pkey1a1 = {0x36b, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}};
static struct playkey pkey2a1 = {0x762, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}};
static struct playkey pkey1b1 = {0x36b, {0x90,0xc1,0xd7,0x84,0x48}};
static struct playkey pkey1a2 = {0x2f3, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}};
static struct playkey pkey2a2 = {0x730, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}};
static struct playkey pkey1b2 = {0x2f3, {0x90,0xc1,0xd7,0x84,0x48}};
static struct playkey pkey1a3 = {0x235, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}};
static struct playkey pkey1b3 = {0x235, {0x90,0xc1,0xd7,0x84,0x48}};
static struct playkey pkey3a1 = {0x249, {0xb7,0x3f,0xd4,0xaa,0x14}};
static struct playkey pkey4a1 = {0x028, {0x53,0xd4,0xf7,0xd9,0x8f}};
static struct playkey *playkeys[] = {
&pkey1a1, &pkey2a1, &pkey1b1,
&pkey1a2, &pkey2a2, &pkey1b2,
&pkey1a3, &pkey1b3,
&pkey3a1, &pkey4a1,
NULL};
static unsigned char disk_key[2048];
static unsigned char title_key[5];
static unsigned char sector[2048];
unsigned long sectors = 0;
unsigned long crypted = 0;
unsigned long skipped = 0;
int do_all = 0;
int do_video = 0;
int do_ac3 = 0;
int do_mpg = 0;
int verbose = 0;
int keep_pack = 0;
int keep_pes = -1;
#define STCODE(p,a,b,c,d) ((p)[0] == a && (p)[1] == b && (p)[2] == c && (p)[3] == d)
static void un_css(int fdi, int fdo)
{
unsigned char *sp, *pes;
int writen, wr, peslen, hdrlen;
while (read(fdi, sector, 2048) == 2048) {
++sectors;
if (!STCODE(sector,0x00,0x00,0x01,0xba)) {
fputs("Not Pack start code\n", stderr);
++skipped; continue;
}
if (do_all)
goto write_it;
pes = sector + 14 + (sector[13] & 0x07);
if (STCODE(pes,0x00,0x00,0x01,0xbb)) {/* System Header Pack Layer */
peslen = (pes[0x04] 0 && writen 32)
usage_exit();
++keep_pes;
break;
case '1': case '2': case '3': case '4':
case '5': case '6': case '7': case '8':
do_ac3 = c - '0';
++keep_pes;
break;
case EOF:
goto got_args;
default:
usage_exit();
break;
}
got_args:
keep_pes = (keep_pes > 0) ? 1 : 0;
return optind;
}
int main(int ac, char **av)
{
int ai, fd;
char titlef[12];
if ((fd = open("disk-key", O_RDONLY)) == -1) {
perror("can't open disk-key");
exit(1);
}
if (read(fd, disk_key, 2048) != 2048) {
perror("can't read disk-key");
close(fd);
exit(1);
}
close(fd);
if ((ai = parse_args(ac, av)) >= ac)
usage_exit();
strcpy(titlef, "title");
strcat(titlef, title);
strcat(titlef, "-key");
if ((fd = open(titlef, O_RDONLY)) == -1) {
perror("can't open title-key");
exit(1);
}
if (read(fd, title_key, 5) != 5) {
perror("can't read title-key");
close(fd);
exit(1);
}
close(fd);
if (strcmp(av[ai], "-") == 0)
fd = 0;
else if ((fd = open(av[ai], O_RDONLY)) == -1) {
fputs("can't open VOB file ", stderr);
fputs(av[ai], stderr);
perror("");
exit(1);
}
if (!css_decrypttitlekey(title_key, disk_key, playkeys)) {
close(fd);
return 3;
}
un_css(fd, 1);
fprintf(stderr, "Total %lu, skipped %lu, crvid %lu\n",
sectors, skipped, crypted);
close(fd);
return 0;
}
#ifndef __css_descramble_h_
#define __css_descramble_h_
struct playkey {
int offset;
unsigned char key[5];
};
extern int css_decrypttitlekey(unsigned char *tkey, unsigned char *dkey, struct playkey **pkey);
extern void css_descramble(unsigned char *sec,unsigned char *key);
#endif
typedef unsigned char byte;
struct block {
byte b[5];
};
extern void CryptKey1(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key);
extern void CryptKey2(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key);
extern void CryptBusKey(int varient, byte const *challenge, struct block *key);
/*
* A noddy program for getting and printing some info from the
* DVD-ROM drive.
*/
#include
#include
#if defined(__OpenBSD__)
# include
#elif defined(__linux__)
# include
#else
# error "Need the DVD ioctls"
#endif
#include
#include
#define DVD "/dev/cdrom"
int GetASF(int fd)
{
dvd_authinfo ai;
ai.type = DVD_LU_SEND_ASF;
ai.lsasf.agid = 0;
ai.lsasf.asf = 0;
if (ioctl(fd, DVD_AUTH, &ai)) {
printf("GetASF failed\n");
return 0;
}
printf("%sAuthenticated\n", (ai.lsasf.asf) ? "" : "not ");
return 1;
}
int GetPhysical(int fd)
{
dvd_struct d;
int layer = 0, layers = 4;
d.physical.type = DVD_STRUCT_PHYSICAL;
while (layer 1)
device = av[1];
fd = open(device, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK);
if (fd 0) {
printf("unable to open dvd drive (%s).\n", device);
return 1;
}
GetASF(fd);
GetPhysical(fd);
GetCopyright(fd);
return 0;
}
/*
* A noddy program which tries to reset all AGID's on the DVD-ROM drive.
*/
#include
#include
#if defined(__OpenBSD__)
# include
#elif defined(__linux__)
# include
#else
# error "Need the DVD ioctls"
#endif
#include
#include
static int fd;
#define DVD "/dev/cdrom"
int main(int ac, char **av)
{
dvd_authinfo ai;
char *device = DVD;
int i;
if (ac > 1)
device = av[1];
fd = open(device, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK);
if (fd 0) {
printf("unable to open dvd drive (%s).\n", device);
return 1;
}
for (i = 0; i 4; i++) {
memset(&ai, 0, sizeof(ai));
ai.type = DVD_INVALIDATE_AGID;
ai.lsa.agid = i;
ioctl(fd, DVD_AUTH, &ai);
}
return 0;
}
/*
/* Host data receive (host changes state) */
/* Host data send */
/* Returning data, let LU change state */
/* Returning data, let LU change state */
/* Init sequence, request AGID */
* tstdvd.c
*
* Example program showing usage of DVD CSS ioctls
*
* Copyright (C) 1999 Andrew T. Veliath
* See http://www.rpi.edu/~veliaa/linux-dvd for more info.
*/
/* Hacked about by Derek Fawcus such that
* it can be used as a simple program to authenticate the
* computer with the DVD-ROM drive.
*
* If supplied with one parameter it gets the disk key and
* saves it to a file. If supplied with a second parameter
* (a LBA) then it gets the title key for the supplied LBA.
*
* When getting the disk key, only the first 10 bytes of it
* are printed. The whole key is written to the file.
*/
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#if defined(__OpenBSD__)
# include
#elif defined(__linux__)
# include
#else
# error "Need the DVD ioctls"
#endif
#include "css-auth.h"
byte Challenge[10];
struct block Key1;
struct block Key2;
struct block KeyCheck;
byte DiscKey[10];
int varient = -1;
void print_challenge(const byte *chal)
{
int i;
for (i = 0; i type) {
case DVD_LU_SEND_AGID:
printf("AGID %d\n", ai->lsa.agid);
ai->type = DVD_HOST_SEND_CHALLENGE;
break;
case DVD_LU_SEND_KEY1:
printf("LU sent key1: "); print_key(ai->lsk.key); printf("\n");
if (!authenticate_drive(ai->lsk.key)) {
ai->type = DVD_AUTH_FAILURE;
return -EINVAL;
}
ai->type = DVD_LU_SEND_CHALLENGE;
break;
case DVD_LU_SEND_CHALLENGE:
for (i = 0; i hsc.chal[9-i];
printf("LU sent challenge: "); print_challenge(Challenge); printf("\n");
CryptKey2(varient, Challenge, &Key2);
ai->type = DVD_HOST_SEND_KEY2;
break;
case DVD_HOST_SEND_CHALLENGE:
for (i = 0; i hsc.chal[9-i] = Challenge[i];
printf("Host sending challenge: "); print_challenge(Challenge); printf("\n");
break;
case DVD_HOST_SEND_KEY2:
for (i = 0; i hsk.key[4-i] = Key2.b[i];
printf("Host sending key 2: "); print_key(Key2.b); printf("\n");
break;
default:
printf("Got invalid state %d\n", ai->type);
return -EINVAL;
}
return 0;
}
int authenticate(int fd, int title, int lba)
{
dvd_authinfo ai;
dvd_struct dvds;
int i, rv, tries, agid;
memset(&ai, 0, sizeof (ai));
memset(&dvds, 0, sizeof (dvds));
GetASF(fd);
for (tries = 1, rv = -1; rv == -1 && tries [title_path]\n");
exit (1);
}
device = av[1];
fd = open(device, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK);
if (fd 0) {
perror(device);
exit(1);
}
if (ac == 3) {
lba = path_to_lba(av[2]);
title = 1;
}
authenticate(fd, title, lba);
close(fd);
return 0;
}
headers = css-auth.h
..;tar cvf css-auth.tar $(dist-files) )
tstdvd_objs = tstdvd.o css-auth.o
validate_objs = validate.o css-auth.o
cat_objs = css-cat.o css-descramble.o
all: tstdvd reset dvdinfo css-cat
tstdvd: $(tstdvd_objs) $(headers)
gcc $(tstdvd_objs) -o $@
css-cat: $(cat_objs) css-descramble.h
gcc $(cat_objs) -o $@
validate: $(validate_objs) $(headers)
gcc $(validate_objs) -o $@
clean:
-rm -f *.o tstdvd validate reset dvdinfo
dist-files = css-auth/COPYING css-auth/README css-auth/Makefile \
css-auth/css-auth.h css-auth/css-auth.c \
css-auth/tstdvd.c css-auth/dvdinfo.c css-auth/reset.c \
css-auth/css-cat.c css-auth/css-descramble.c \
css-auth/css-descramble.h
dist:
(cd
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Oh yeah. LookOut! Perhaps the most despised client app by mail admins since Bloated Goats. Good idea.
One could argue that only thing "clueful" about developers doing anything with LookOut! would have to be that they're clued that they can make a lot of money with no-questions-asked because it's Microsoft product.
Yes, I'm an Admin. I get more complaints about e-mail problems from LookOut! users than all others combined. Imagine that. What good is an alleged "groupware" product if one can't even depend on it to deal with plain old e-mail reliably?
And as far as groupware products go: last I looked, LookOut!/SexChange was the weakest of the pack. (Except perhaps in sales volume. It is, after all, a Microsoft product.)
What the U.S. Navy ought to be doing is insisting that all of its vendors' products adhere to open standards. For the clue-impaired: Microsoft "standards" does not necessarily equate with open standards.
Dude, people love to see bad things happen to people a lot more wealthy than themselves.
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Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
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I said to my wife at that time that Microsoft's monopoly is over, because the average person had finally acquired contempt for their shoddy products, even if they were still using them.
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Not to turn this troll fest into a productive conversation, but anyone know what good groupware products this guy might have been referring to?
Any that run on NT? (I use what the boss tells me, deal with it.)
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Not to mention how expensive NT is and that us US citizens get to pay for such an inferior product, when better, cheaper, more relaiable options exist. Its inexcusible that the Navy single sourced with NT. Totally inexecusible.
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I don't know of any replacement for Visio. Dia looks good (do a search on Freshmeat), but it doesn't have all of the the functionality of Visio.
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/
Novell is porting Novell Directory Services to Linux, which should make your SSO solution a snap, for NT and Linux machines. Native NDS services also means that you don't need a NetWare server.
NDS is far better than ADS in almost all respects. It is stable, well-documented and supported. It is on its third version and tenth year of development. It works well with DNS, unlike ADS, which refuses to cooperate well with BIND (not just server, but client, too).
http://www.novell.com/products/nds/
Read more about the advantages of Novell NDS over Microsoft ADS here.
http://www.novell.com/advantage/nds/
HP OpenMail supports MS Outlook, including calendaring. Free license for Linux (no support and only 50 users).
http://www.ice.hp.com/cyc/om/00/index.html
But, if you insist on free groupware, I suggest looking at SourceForge, CODA, Global File System, Reliable Multicast File Transfer, VIC, RAT, CVS, any NNTP server plus XVNews or newsreader with similar level of functionality, IMAP, Postfix, any fully-featured MIME-compliant e-mail package, ICQ for Linux (or similar) and this news site's Very Own Slash!
If Exchange can match, 1:1, every scrap of functionality ovvered by the above setup, show me. If not, it's not worth wasting my time over. If I can do better, for less, using Industry-Standard Software and Protocols, I don't need to fork out large sums of money on something that doesn't offer anything else and throws away all the security I could have, using the free tools I've listed.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
IMHO, the Navy needs Linux. Linux doesn't particularly need any of the military, but they DO need it, or at least some Open Source system. I imagine FreeBSD and OpenBSD would be two good alternatives to Linux. (NetBSD is, from what I've heard, a hotbed of politics, which might make the more discerning customers a little nervous.)
Open Source solutions provide the stability AND SECURITY that the Navy needs, both from a military and legal stand-point. There is also, as the gentleman pointed out (though mis-naming it "shareware"), the Groupware that he needs to operate an efficient service.
In my books, I'd say that Linux and the *BSD's would be hot-favourites, right now, to win a contract with the Navy. And, once they see the sheer quality, I suspect they'll stick with it.
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[ There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience. ]
Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software. If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft?
The Department of Defense has already made a large commitment to using an Open Source groupware package called CVW, that was developed as an internal research project by MITRE. There's an article in the latest Linux Journal about it. My guess is that Undersecretary Hultin was referring to CVW, and confused shareware with open source.
OSS trivia item: Eric Raymond was instrumental in helping convince MITRE (and their legal department) to release CVW as Open Source Software.
We call it art because we have names for the things we understand.
The Department of Defense has already made a large commitment to using an Open Source groupware package called CVW, that was developed as an internal research project by MITRE. There's an article in the latest Linux Journal about it.
We call it art because we have names for the things we understand.
Federal development has a long history of public disclosure, and Open Source development is well known for providing the widest possible exposure of the codebase to security audit.
The common weakness of Open Source projects is the limited bandwidth for integrating the influx of data, patches, and functionality requests. Good projects have, and need, that core group of developers to guide the flow of the code, and it's this behavior that lends legitimacy to claims of authorship long after others take over non-insignificant module implementation.
This is the most concentrated point of labor in the otherwise highly distributed architecture of open code evolution. This, combined with the Federal Government's prediliction for disclosure and concerns about (national!) security, would make it advisable for at least a few government contracters to consider integrating the GPL as a key win in their official project bids.
The timing is perfect: Microsoft's Worst-Case Scenario of the Sixty-Five Thousand Bug Operating System has deflated expectations of W2K considerably. Most governmental managers(decision makers) have just had a well-respected higher-up validate their employee's doubts in the "dominant paradigm". The market has fully validated Linux as a viable platform. And The Code Needs A Shepard.
Why not Open Outsource? So much of the resistance to bringing in outside workers is that the internal developers aren't confident outside workers are going to meet their specific user requirements. Internal resistance would be lessened considerably if employees knew they could always fix the problems in software they were being tasked with deploying--and they'd even get to have their fixes integrated into the next release! Various departments would be able to cease redundant development; critical fixes would be integrated, experimental forks would be both possible and feasable at a low cost of exploration, and outside developments would be integrated into the central source trees based upon the strength of functionality, not force.
Open Outsourcing is the answer to the question of how the code development house makes money in the essay <a href="http://www.doxpara.com/core.html">I published some time ago</a>, and should be considered by decision makers throughout the entire market. I was just recently working on integrating this information into my essay before the DDoS stuff hit; I'd be happy to have it ready as soon as possible if anybody wishes to take advantage of it to try to win a contract.
Yours Truly,
Dan Kaminsky
DoxPara Research
http://www.doxpara.com
The 4.6 Notes client does work with Wine. It's not 100%, but it is enough for everyday use. I've used it and the only thing stopping me from using it all the time on linux instead of windows is a lack of memory on my linux machine. I believe a guy in our linux user group now only uses it on linux. Check out http://www.brooklinesw.com/linux/lin uxnotes.html for more information.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Nightmare? It shouldn't be a nightmare for a company that knows what it's doing, like IBM. The company I work for has thousands of unix machines (soon to include linux) distributed across the US. I don't think anyone considers it a 'nightmare'. Standardize the software/hardware distribution and make sure that only authorized people have the ability to update the software. Given the support contracts involved with something like the Federal Government, I'm sure it's more like a dream than a nightmare.
Just because there are a ton of MSCEs, doesn't mean we have to justify their existence. That's like saying at 1900, there's a ton of blacksmiths, buggies, and horses, so just forget about those automobiles.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Groupware systems are fairly easy to implement. I mean real groupware stuff, not the bollocks that Exchange pretends to be.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pracintgr/
So many sheep go with Exchange though, when in fact it's functionally destitute.
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What would be really funny would be to see the Navy running on Shareware products! :)
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
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I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
My bet is that they'll return to Lotus Notes.
I quit my last job, which was primarily web development using Notes/Domino 4.6, because 4.6 was an incredibly frustrating platform upon which to develop good web applications - that is, applications which are designed to run in a web browser.
But Notes is an incredibly powerful platform if you are willing to use the Notes client. Notes has already received the necessary security certifications - otherwise the Navy wouldn't have been using it previously.
IBM, Lotus' parent company, has made Domino a central part of their larger internet strategy. IBM is making WebSphere work very closely with Domino, has greatly extended Java servlet support in Domino, and has included Domino support in their Visual Age for Java IDE.
I don't know of any other "industrial strength" groupware packages which have met the government's security requirements. They may very well be out there, but if so they definitely have a "nice" market, and a deficient Marketing department.
This isn't "news for nerds". It's a suit using some speech for his own purpose -- be it a to get a discount from MS, join the bash MS bangwagon or whatever.
As it happens, groupware under Windows gets much better if you take a peep at Exchange 2000 or hire clueful developers to do cool things with Outlook...
You wouldn't want them to take a journalistic chance, now, would you? Don't you realize that millions of dollars are riding on the shareholder's perception of this internet property?
>So, what Linux groupware products can we turn the Navy on to?
HP OpenMail or Lotus Notes for the server. What we still need is a good Lotus client for Linux.
One of the problems the DoD agencies face is that various mandates were made several years ago to standardize on Microsoft NT. Another problem is that new contracts are required to comply with the DISA DII COE. Currently only Microsoft NT, Solaris and HP Unix are directly supported by DISA. Until they directly support a Linux distribution or roll thier own, it will be very hard to get Linux based products into the DoD and other government agencies.
Funny that he starts bashing microsoft just before negotiating on the (presumably vast) Intranet/Internet project. You don't think thew Navy pays retail, do you?
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>Microsoft is responsible for bugs in other companies' software?
Any decent OS is responsible for handling error messages from the client applications, & keeping the rest of the system chugging along.
Think about it: if you had just kicked off an application that would update records in a million-row DB table, & it could be destroyed by some newbie's error of forgetting to include a semicolon, would *YOU* trust your work to that OS?
Of course, someone in the Navy was just plain stupid for entrusting an entire ship's safety to just one computer. A single, lucky shot could disable the computer, & the warship would be just as dead in the water if it was running NT, UNIX, or some POS written by a crackhead in return for a case of Ripple. And some prime rock.
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
Re point 3:
It may not be heavy duty enough for your needs, and it has the occasional bug, but the calendar works very nicely to keep our mixed workgroup of 40 assorted Linux, Windows and Mac users coordinated.
It has quite decent meeting and task scheduling. I guess you could also use Netscape mail if you liked. (Personally I just keep an Xterm open for pine).
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
Ok, this is off-topic and it's a major troll, but I wish that all the clueless lusers who write their web pages with word processing software would learn to turn off Smart Quotes. That crap just doesn't look right on the web, and as a result of the luser using Smart Quotes in this article, I stopped reading after the third or fourth sentence.
Some people just need to get their asses kicked!
Just be sure to wear the gold uniform when you beam down -- you know what happens when you wear the red one.
Or were you wishing that there were shareware products to change the ? to the proper character?
ALL HAIL BRAK!!!
It isn't just the secretary of the Navy -- Microsoft has been doing a bunch of customer research into Lotus Notes operations, as well as prepackaged web-based solutions, and they've heard about a million reasons why MS Groupware sucks.
Microsoft's answer to groupware is Microsoft Exchange. But what do you think of Exchange as being? An expensive Email server.
It sounds to me like they've gotten the message that Exchange (as it stands) will never be more than a half-assed e-mail/calendar server. The problem is changing directions.
They've been running around whispering about some vaporware called "Tahoe" for a while now. The goal is to make MS Office the groupware 'client', and to make extended versions of IIS and MSSQL the groupware 'server'. Exchange only fits into the picture as an MTA -- it's unstable Jet databases are going to fade quietly into the night.
Note that if they can pull this off, they will strike at a big weak spot in Lotus. Notes has always had pretty poor integration with MS Office because they've chosen to sold the integration features as a value add in Lotus SmartSuite. The problem is that 95% of their customers use MS Office and have to fumble around with file attachments, etc.
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My understanding is that's incorrect -- the SQL backend is planned for Exchange 7. Ex2000 (v6) does allow you have mutiple Jet databases, however.
(I am a little confused at the "web store" feature -- as far as I can tell it's exchange stuff stored as XML documents in the traditional Jet backend. It does, however, allow Lotus Domino-like webserving of groupware content.)
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Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
I just can't help but thinking that if they really implemented MSDE, they would have "Powered By SQL Server!" written all over the marketing materials. Still there's a beta sitting around, so I suppose I could install it and see. (Of course, I could also start burning myself with cigarettes just for fun -- I've been waiting around since the v4 beta cycle for Exchange to get even halfassed, and I've pretty much lost patience.)
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They converted from HP-UX to NT for ship operations and the system crashed during sea trials. See it here
Microsoft aggravates my tourettes syndrome.
Dude, people love to see bad things happen to people a lot more wealthy than themselves. Your wife was probably wondering how she married such a simpleton.
People who want bad things to happen to esr, please stand up.
You've never read any ESR-related threads on Slashdot, have you? In other words, terrible choice.
Well, unless you were trying to rally people to want bad things to happen to ESR, which I wouldn't advocate, but would have to admit was funny, considering that we're on Slashdot.
Cheers,
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Then change your prefs so that html is default..
Customise Comments -> Comment post mode
O.k., so I exaggerated a bit -- make that a 4Mb quota.
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
Hey, first they use MTS (Michigan Terminal System) as the name for their transaction monitor. Now they use Tahoe, which everybody knows really was an intermediate BSD 4.3 release, as a codename for an unreleased Microsoft product. Perhaps they are trying to sow confusion so that everybody forgets past superior operating systems. It's a good thing Linus has trademarked Linux; otherwise the next rumored product from Microsoft might be the W2K-based "Linux" telephony/PBX server.
:-)
Personally, I'm thinking of starting a new line of stainless steel cookware for geeks called "L'Inox"
Laissez lire, et laissez danser; ces deux amusements ne feront jamais de mal au monde. - Voltaire
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Blar.
Just what the net needed. More servers to be used by script kiddies as launching points for DoS attacks. How many geeks work for the Navy?
Geez, what do they think they are? UCSB or Stanford?
Just a dude. Stuck in IT.
The navy's existing purchasing policy is that anything Microsoft needs no sign off to buy it (i.e. you can buy with no approval). Anything non-microsoft requires the regular approval procedure. This is anectdotal, from a buddy who worked recently in the navy, but believed to be accurate. For navy offices busting a gut to be efficient/effective this policy is not condusive to qc.
I'm looking at the article, which states that until last year the Navy had a license with Lotus for competing products.
I am then assuming that they dropped Lotus and switched to Microsoft... a move that undoubtedly used hundreds of thousands (if not more) tax dollars for re-training employees. Now they're possibly looking at switching again. How much is that going to cost me?
Here's a suggestion: evaluate a product before you buy it.
I still say we need a (-1, Pedantic) moderation option.
Um.. you're talking about IBM here. They used to have phalanxes of people to throw at every support problem. They'd love to again deal with a huge IBM Linux installed base.
I think He speaks of ZOPE. DC just did a big job for the NAVY overhauling their People Search Site.
They must have showed them what ZOPE in the hands of a Zen Master can really do. For very little cost.
The NAVY can do anything they want with money like that. They probably think they are saving money by using shrink wrap products, but not with a cutthroat company like MS. They could DEVELOP any productivity apps they want for that kind of money.
Too bad innovation is so difficult for these major govenerment agencies, not to mention the number of parasites that will take the development cash, not produce anything, and run.
John
The entire comment is rendered invalid by even suggesting that W2K is worse than 98. I mean, didn't you ever talk to the guys doing desktop support? 98 is practically unsupportable. Add in a large environment and you are just screwed. W2k may be more complicated than it is worth, but it is still so much better than 98 that they don't belong in the same sentence. We all like *nix better (or are some kind of masochists), but there are hierarchies of crap.
wake up and find out that you are the eyes of the world.
That's been around for over a year now. Just put in the # of characters after which the comment gets the +1 bonus. Putting in 0 disables it.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
for this much money you can pay a dozen of full time programmes who write you a custom application that does what you want. (maybe hiring the programmes of the shareware product you like) if you open soucre that application you are not dependent on them and get additonal people working for you for free! plus: an organisation which is fianced by public taxes should give something back to the people for their money after all..
mond.
The Navy has this plan called "IT-21", which makes it mandatory to use "Commercial, off-the-shelf" technologies. Usually, "COTS" is code for "MS Windows NT". Unfortunately, this is still being used by the Navy and its contractors in the new smart ship program. Which doesn't make me feel all that good when my next ship tour comes up in a couple of years. Clearly, this plan needs revising.
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However, that doesn't mean that I refuse to advocate "The right tool for the right job", like FreeBSD for web servers, etc. The problem is that enlisted rates like the DP's and the RM's (now IT's) had bad experiences with other Unixes and like the "simplicity" of NT.
OTOH, the Navy also committed to ATM as their fundamental network technology for the 21st century. So,
-scooter
A divide by zero shouldn't cause a blue screen of death. Which is what happened on the servers.
-scooter
"I'm going to Microsoft at the end of this month to say to [chief executive officer] Steve Ballmer, 'You talk about how you create a business group process system, but I'll tell you [that] you don't come close to giving us what we need,' "
This doesn't say anything that everyone doesn't already know. His trip, IMHO, would be an expensive trip all for the purpose of _not much_. He's basically said, "We want to spend money on your Microjunk, but we cannot justify it now. We'll give you another chance, though, and we'll buy your stuff if you change it." That's not a tough stand at all.
There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience.
That's great ... now MS will be sure to stomp those smaller software vendors out of business ... all in the name of "giving the Navy what they need."
What the Navy needs to be doing is going out and seeking partnerships w/ those smaller vendors, promoting their work, and pumping money some place other than into MS. ...
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He wasn't trying to knock down the price, he wasn't even warning the bidders that the days of "nobody was ever fired for buying Microsoft" are over.
The key is in the final paragraph of the story. There are four companies bidding on this job, and all have indicated they intend to use Microsoft products. Pure chance, of course, since everyone knows that Microsoft is not a monopoly (*cough*).
Since all bidders will use the same product, this is essentially a "single source" bid. Single source bids tend to make government agencies very nervous, esp. when that single source has a history of successful government prosecution for misdeeds. But the companies each fear that breaking from the non-opoly will is equivalent to voting for the libertarian candidate - it may make you feel better, but you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.
Enter the gentlemen and his comments. He is sending a clear signal to the companies that it is not immediate suicide to announce a plan that doesn't include set-asides for the impoverished communities outside Seattle. To retain credibility, the nature of the game requires that at least one of the two finalists include non-MS products (assuming it isn't *totally* DOA), otherwise the military will be getting straight MS bids for the next 30 years.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
The government will only accept bids from companies that are certified as capable of satisfying the contract. This is a *huge* contract, and it's no coincidence that the companies listed include IBM, CSC, and a couple other large companies whose name escapes me at the moment.
This means that not only is no "young" company eligible to place a bid, even the senior project management is likely to be "highly experienced" at federal contracts. Read: expect everyone to have spent twenty years in the military, then another decade or two in defense contracts on the other side of the fence. I've known a few very cool project managers, but most of them seem stuck in the past century. Make that *two* centuries ago, now. Where you see a neat new technology, they will see buddies killed because the new-fangled M-16 rifle jammed in Vietnam.
(Just wait until a BoI finds that a ship was lost, with all hands, due to a stupid software error....)
That said, some groups might want to experiment with the hardware you describe. But this sounds more like a DARPA-funded research project than a billion dollar multi-year contract.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
"So why the story? And why post it here?"
Because now not only do you know it, all the geeks in the server room know it but the govt knows it as well.
War is necrophilia.
No they are responsible for building an OS that can't be crashed by a rouge application.
War is necrophilia.
Why should he shut up doesn't he have first amendment rights? Or is MS now more powerful then the US Navy?
War is necrophilia.
wasn't it even worse? didn't a single program on a single workstation lockup and take the server down, which took down all the NT servers on the ship?
Yeah, some dude who shaves his head once a week and was trained to fix only things covered in manuals would be an authority figure in this field. Did anyone ever consider that the navy's screw up with MS products might just have been due to the majority of mid-west morons that join up to avoid working at the lube rack?
Who was it that said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
If you don't like what you see on the highway, put your computer back in the box and take it back to the store damnit.
Sorry, my mistake. I stand corrected.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Except maybe Balmer will get shot, not Gates.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
They may be better in some respects but not overall. They may implement things that MS obviously could without any difficulty but haven't.
If MS is better overall, it doesn't mean that they haven't missed out on some really obvious features that people need.
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One of the ways the free market operates is that feedback about goods on sale becomes public knowledge. So if a company rips one person off, they can tell everyone else before the whole market gets ripped off. As far as I can see, the army guy is just exercising this right/responsibility.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Big organisations rarely buy 36000 copies of a piece of shrinkwrapped software. They negotiate a contract with the software house, whereby the software house guarantees that the software will serve its purpose (e.g.) 99.9% of the time. A "best endeavour" contract says that the software house will do everything in its power to make this happen, even if it bankrupts them to do it.
So the army bloke has probably got his fingers burnt in a contract like this.
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Greetings to all my beloved fans! The ``gnulix_guy'' is now back from a long hiatus (I'll not mention the details of it, except to say it involved frequent flyer miles and asian sex tours). Because I've not been able to access Slashdot from the jungles of Thailand, I'll be stepping up my efforts to keep my legion of Slashdot fans entertained with my daily witicisms.
I know you've all been dying for me to say my tag line, so without further ado:
GNULIX!
...signed, the ever-lovable gnulix guy!
Ok, since you seem to be pretty sure about there being good free groupware available for Linux, name the package that's better than Microsoft's exchange system. And don't say Lotus notes because that's not free.
NT 4.0 Server does too, however, the problem with it isn't that you can't telnet in, it's that you can't run much of anything, as NT was designed to be one person sitting at the machine, not many people running processes off the machine. The command line tools in NT are not documented terribly well, and most of the programs you run in NT assume you are right there at the computer. It makes it a real pain to try and get something to work without PCAnywhere, or BO2k, or whatever your favorite remote mgmt tool is.
--Rae
Blah I can't get my sig to work, it won't fit.
I think the anti-trust suit may have finally stripped M$ of its aura of invincibility in the public eye. For a long time, Joe Random Public thought that the world's largest software company must be just the greatest, particulary if J.R.P. never had the opportunity to see software from any other company. This is still true of a lot of people today, but I think that the general public is finally catching on to the astonishing idea that M$ may actually suck.
Many of those in charge of procurement in the military may have known this for a long time. But it may have only recently become possible for someone like this guy to say so in public.
So, what Linux groupware products can we turn the Navy on to?
Always keep a sapphire in your mind
... the hostages, and the journalists they murdered in 1979.
The burning of our flag, and vows to kill us all, the "Great Satan" nation.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just wanted to remind you.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
If whatever shareware he's talking about is that good, he just might, but remember this is the Government we're talking about. There are layers upon layers upon sublayers upon strata of bureaucracy to plow through before you get to the point where you hand Joe Developer a check for his shareware text editor. However, since this IS the Government, that check could end up being for 100,000 copies of JoeDevWrite.
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Someone you trust is one of us.
While I vividly recall playing Starcraft on the lan, it had no official reason to be there, along with redneck rampage and the FT's porn collection. Bottom line: the shit put on the system was put there because there was no experienced admin, NT "looks" easy, price wasn't a factor, and evidently the entire federal government was supposed to settle on a single operating system and NT was picked (thank you, Redmond political lobby).
Want a truly scary site? Check out http://www.ntgov.com , a site that goes along with a magazine i've seen on every boat i've been stationed on, and at the Naval Reserve Center in Louisville, Ky.
About the Marines...Either he was full of shit, or you are. Speaking as a former submariner w/ 6yrs in, the only navy ships i know of with a marine detachment would be "gator freightors" (amphib assault), or carriers. And they do NOT learn tactics from Doom (unless you count sinking like a stone in water... we damn near drowned some jarheads once...looong story) Contrary to popular opinion, the security i've seen on surface ships isn't that tight. The most junior personnel are the ones who get stuck guarding the ship/boat. On surface ships, the crew is usually large enough, and the guards green enough, that they don't know the entire crew. (btw, us bubbleheads are much tighter knit. y'know what they say... 100 men go down, 50 couples come up...) As long as you wear the right uniform, show what looks like a green military id, and salute the watch and ensign properly, they haven't a clue. That's not to say i recommend trying it, however: even a tiny fast attack sub in stand-down with a skeleton crew onboard still has at least four people minimum up and alert at all times, with detailed plans for alerting the rest of the crew/base and armed defense.
...that's the only free "groupware" product I can think of. I've seen it in use on more than one U.S. submarine. In my opinion, it's not bad, but it's not all that great either.
The only other program that springs to mind is Goldmine, and that sure as hell ain't cheap, let alone free. Then again, I didn't spend much time onboard surface ships, so I may have missed something.
This is hardly the first anti-Microsoft story in GCN. The one that comes to my mind is the one about how one dude decided that NT is insecure as a web server and is going back to the only secure web platform: Macintosh. (and the basis of this security is that Macintosh has zero remote administration)
Try OpenMail.
I work for the Navy and often employ Linux/Perl/Apache for intranet apps and to use it as a Samba server.
Recently, per a request by Linux today, I wrote a short article on my experience with using Open Source software in the Navy. Before I could release the article and had to run it by "legal". They came back and denied my request for publishing the article as it could be construed that the Navy was promoting or endorsing a product.
The following month I came across an article in "Government Computer News" that highlighted the grow use of NT at JPL. The article might have been written by MS propaganda department. So it is good to see someone up high come out and make some realistic comments concerning MS products.
Wow, is it me or is Slashdot launching a anti-Win2K news campaign right before it's release? And here I thought only Microsoft was capable of FUD. Congratulations on proving me wrong. So are all these news articles paid for by VA? How about posting some positive Win2K articles without any sarcastic quip from the "reporter"? Oh that's right, Slashdot is commited to herding it's readers into one particular direction. How silly of me to believe that even a remote attempt at unbiased reporting could happen here.
According to the article, annual NAVY expenditures are 88 Billion. Fist Call lists Microsoft's annual revenues for 1999 at 21.8 Billion. While the NAVY may be Microsolft's biggest customer, it is unlikely that the ultimate barganing chip - Naval dissertion of Microsoft products - will deeply impact M$ in the eyes of Wall Street. Besides, M$ has significantly increased soft money "donations" to both political parties. So, I wish the Undersecretary good luck in his discussions with the M$ CEO. By summer, he will probably be working for Red Hat.
FYI: Exchange 2000 ( in beta now) uses SQL server as database, btw.
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I thought it was the new MSDE (m$ Data Engine, the single user SQL server that can be installed INSTEAD of Jet on Access 2k with a custom install). In this case the only "user" of the database is Exchange, so it's OK. MSDE is completely file compatible with SQL Server, you can turn a MSDE database to a SQL server just by using SQL's "attach database" statement. I might be wrong. It seems like the feature set of M$ products keeps changing every time I look. First COM+ is part of Win2k, then it's not, then it's back in......
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In the interest of OpenSource, or the geek's right to reverse-engineer closed processes, I am posting my theories on the slashdot submission queue process:
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There are shareware products that have better groupware features than those of Microsoft products, he said, drawing applause from the audience.
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Ok then, give some shareware developer out there an early christmas present and buy his software.
If not, then basically...shutup. Or was he hoping to get some beanie points by bashing Microsoft?
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BTW, has he not been looking into Windows 2000?
thanks :)
why was the 'smart' html/text hybrid removed? :|
I keep forgetting the default now is text not html
:P
Win 2000 has a built in Telnet Server...
See http://slashdot.org/articles/9807 21/1049204.shtml
for more memories.
Hey! I want that driver for my 5.25" missile battery as well, so they'd better release it as Open Source!
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
Here's The Honorable Jerry MacArthur Hultin's webpage. You can even snag a 1.5 megabyte picture of him! (Why anyone would do that is beyond me...)
FUCKING HELL YEAH!!
Now if we can only get the NAVY to go Linux instead of
Winblows NT
SA Isaac Griffith
United States Navy
Those who wear glasses should not throw them at stones
Is it just me, or is this new:
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Long Comment Bonus (Assign +1 to lengthy comments)
What am I supposed to choose for the second one, it's just a text box! =) And I don't remember seeing either one before...
Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
It's so typical of people to attack what they don't like, even if they would have done the same thing. The point is that it's you and me that have been fooled around by Microsoft, and then we start whining when we realize the prize to pay. It's not Microsofts fault that people are so easy to screw around, and what company won't take people's money? We should really think more about our lives and take responsibility for our own silliness.
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
The Undersecretary of the Navy is going to go to Redmond to tell Steve Ballmer that Microsoft's groupware products are terrible.
So? Does he think he's going to tell Ballmer something that Ballmer doesn't already know?
Quick Quiz Time: Name Microsoft's "groupware products" that we're talking about here. Ready? What's your answer?
Microsoft's answer to groupware is Microsoft Exchange. But what do you think of Exchange as being? An expensive Email server. What does the entire corporate marketplace think of Exchange as being? An expensive Email server. Perhaps a slow, difficult-to-administer, and expensive Email server. I run a small company, and we're a Microsoft ISV. We get Exchange for free (bundled with the rest of the software we license) and we're likely to toss it for a Linux server and SendMail. Build enterprise applications on top of Exchange? You must be joking....
But is that some revelation to the Navy? To the Undersecretary? To Steve Ballmer? To Bill? Nope. If Microsoft's corporate muscle, marketing prowess, and sheer evil were one-third of what the Dept. of Justice (and your typical Linux pre-teen) insist, Exchange would be ubiquitous. Lotus Notes is sold at very hefty prices--much higher prices than Microsoft charges for Exchange (if Microsoft charges anything for Exchange at all). Lotus is sold by IBM, which is the living embodiment of "ham-handed" sales. So why does Notes still exist? Because Microsoft has a turkey of a product, and they (and everybody else) knows it.
So why the story? And why post it here?
The policy, dubbed "Don't Ask, Don't Shell", promises that as long as Linux users don't make their preferences known, they won't be disciplined.
Bill Gates called the policy "...a poor compromise compared to the proper response of interrogation and dismissal of anyone with Open Source tendencies, given the importance of secrecy in military organizations."
Nor was Linus Torvalds happy with the outcome. "It is ridiculous to think that, in the year 2000 -- or, in Microsoft terms, 1980 2.0 -- soldiers have to worry about being open and honest about using Linux. It's not bash users, but Linux-using bashers who should be targeted as insufficiently American for the military", said the famous Finn.
Richard M. Stallman claims the policy is a strained attempt to solve a problem with military personnel using Linux. "GNU/Linux users in the military might make better soldiers in the long run, which should TCL the generals. But soldiers using proprietary software shouldn't be allowed to benefit from working arm-in-arm with GNU/Linux users. That'd be an unfair Scheme since the GNU/Linux software can be shared but the proprietary software cannot."
Military personnel asked about this new policy had a wide range of reactions:
The Linux and BSD Alliance, formed to combat source-bashing worldwide, claims the policy is a small first step towards widespread acceptance of consenting adults exchanging source code as they see fit. Spokesdeity Eric Raymond explains, "we've long felt that if every closet user of an Open Source(TM) product in the military suddenly turned blue, they'd look butt-ugly in those uniforms." (Raymond is a well-known supporter of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear source.)
On a more humorous note, the editor of Soldier of Fortune Magazine announced they were responding to the new policy by making a small change to their name. They'll now be known as "Soldier of fortune Magazine".
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He is probably talking about replacing Exchange with something like Sendmail(depending on what He meant by shareware).
This much is true, Linux is has been up and busy for the USPS for a while. Try reading this.
The first part of the article;
Linux is reading your mail
John Taves, November 11, 1998
The United States Postal Service deployed over 900 Linux based systems throughout the United States in 1997 to automatically recognize the destination addresses on mail pieces. Each system consists of 5 dual Pentium Pro 200MHz (PP200) computers and one single PP200 all running Linux.
The USPS already had the mail piece scanners and some old custom computers that recognized the addresses. This project added the Linux computers to each scanner to run more modern OCR algorithms.
-d [usps retired]
This definitely is fishy to me. The article says they declined to renew the Lotus contract, but not why. I thought Notes had a good reputation for its groupware features. If the guy didn't think so, why didn't he go to Lotus and denounce them as he is Microsoft?
Also, if they declined the Lotus contract last year, then they must have investigated and prototyped a bunch of systems to replace it with. With an $88b budget, surely they must have realised that Microsofts' products didn't suit them before they bought into them? If not, why not?
Oh and which shareware products does he mean? He can't make such an accusation without backing up the statement. I think it's all sour grapes. I think he was sold by Microsoft's ad-men, bought into their software and then got burnt when the solution didn't work. Now he's trying to protect his arse by blaming MS. If not, prove me wrong, but without such a blanket statement.
I use Ecco, however, without taking advantage of its "group-ware" features, since others I work with don't have it. Had great reviews, though... I've also used the previously-Lotus now-IBM package (Organizer?), and didn't appreciate it at all. It's too clumsy, not customizable for effective individual use, not very intuitive.
All these packages are actually forms of databases, anyway; groupware is database-with-networking features.
Btw, I guess if /. moves up to the new XHTML standard, we'll all have to use <p> and <p/> for our comments longer than one paragraph?
Thanks for the interpretation! I had missed that one.... 8-)
Seriously, though, couldn't some bright young (i.e., quick) company put together a splendid batch of wearable computers with the upcoming Transmeta 5400, Linux OS, and custom apps specifically tailored for group-ware-type tasks? After all, a Navy ship seems like a good place to assume wireless computing can be used for effective communication/collaboration (as on the spaceship Enterprise!)....
Before they sent out a ship carrying a Division-By-Zero WinNT steering server, and before buying the Microsoft Groupware products. As it's now, not that I like Microsoft, but this seems just as if the Navy was too stupid to test their software before buying.
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See this article about WinNT crashing the USS Yorktown.
If that's not a mission critical system failure, what is?
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As a US Federal computer specialist person and a fellow taxpayer with most of the readers here, maybe I am getting good value from the money I am paying this guy!
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The DoD has been evaluating and testing software for DMS (Defense Messaging System) since at least late '94. DMS is a secure messaging and groupware specification based on Fortezza (smartcard) encryption and X.400 and X.500 mail and directory services.
The prime contractor for this DoD project is Loral (or now Lockheed Martin), and the two competing subcontractors are Lotus and Microsoft.
Microsoft has been trying to push Exchange as a groupware platform for a long time, but it really does not fit the bill nearly as well as Lotus Notes (or Domino). The operating systems are going to be Microsoft (because the DMS specifications call for a turnkey solution, and unfortunately Linux is not widely considered a turnkey OS). But at least Lotus' products run on most platforms, whereas Microsoft's products run only on Microsoft platforms.
If I remember correctly, Hultin was a supporter of Lotus and was miffed when the Navy decided to switch gears and go with Microsoft (even though Lotus' products have fared better through all stages of Lockheed Martin's lab tests). Another example of Microsoft's influence over superior products.
You can learn more about Lotus's solution at http://www.lmdms.com/. Or do a web search for "Defense Messaging System".
Perhaps if you'd pull your head out of your ass, and get past the obvious fourth-grade education the original comment was written with, you'd see the underlying message.
Slashdot threads participants are generally whiney, anally retentive bitches - plain and simple. Even the open source community whines and bitches at its own members in the equally worthless BSD vs. Linux 'debates'. Jesus, this might as well be the stupid AOL forums with the amount of completely useless nitpicking and jeuvenile namecalling.
You make yourself look like a jackass by being condescending towards someone who is obviously right. I'm done, so feel free to get back to flaming the people you're not intelligent enough to debate legitimately.
Oh, and flaming as an AC just makes you look stupider. Have a nice day.
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and I'm not impressed. Its slow unstable and possibly even a worse operating system than it predessor NT 4.0 or Win98.
We were thinking of putting up an NT server for people who want frontpage extensions. Then we realized just how big of a headache it was to maintain it, and we completely dropped the whole idea. I'm not sure I understand what you mean here about looking at W2K.
Actually he would be better off by not looking and at least retain that "mirage" of a superior microsoft product in his head.
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This would seem to be an ideal opportunity for IBM to offer a Linux solution in addition to the previously safe Microsoft "solution"? Sure, it probably won't be successful this time around (bureaucracy has more inertia than an aircraft carrier...) but it shows that they are serious about Linux and that they are listening to what the customer wants.
Also, its a good thing nobody really formally tests Linux and the software built on top of it in a typical server distribution (such as Apache, a mailer daemon, etc.)!! That lucky fact allows us to ignore that "Linux", taken as any actual distribution rather than just the kernel, very likely has as many, if not more, aggregrate bugs than W2K was reported as having!!!
Oh yeah!!! Life is good in LINUXLAND!!!
Microsoft has been consistantly making low quality software.I for one think the way their products make people expect less out of their software is unacceptable.I mean they have the public thinking system crashes are a "normal" part of operation. This my only be my opinion but we could all benefit if more people "told it like it is".THis being that microsoft cares nothing about quality and thats proven by me using it and expiriencing it for myself.So all you M$ "experts" can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.
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I am not exactly a flag waving MS zealot, but I have to disagree with Hultin. I work as an applications consultant, and one area of business I deal with frequently is messaging/groupware. I'm a big fan of cross-platform, open source, and shareware/freeware products, and I feel no love for companies like MS that rely on brilliant marketing rather than brilliant design to succeed. Still, I have to say that when a client asks for serious groupware features, the only packages that can meet those needs are the big three (Exchange, Domino, GroupWise). I think Hultin's statement makes great rhetoric, and I wish it were true, but I think he needs to take another look at what is out there and what capabilities it has.
Many times I have seen implementations that would have been great open source solutions go the way of proprietary software just because of the lack of readily available groupware packages. (Coders take note.)
That's just my $.02. Flame on.
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Hopefully, this will let you wean yourself from NT.
as far as this "bolt-on portal, knowledge mgmt. stuff" goes, we are definitley back at a point where we need to be reconsidering if COTS truly reduces TCO! I contend it doesn't.. Linux/Perl/DBI/Python/Zope/Sendmail/Apache.. it's all there.. our govt. decision makers (as well as industry captains) are making poor decisions..there will be accountability in the end (I hope)
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Hmm, lets see... Microsoft takes in 15 billion dollars a year in net profit and the U.S. Navy takes in 80 billion dollars a year in tax revenue. So far it looks like the navy is ahead but Microsoft could concieveably catch up. Of course to the Navys credit they are backed up with weapons of mass destruction and the rest of the U.S government. Oh yeah, and they are the customer (customer is always right) and they have great alternatives to Micrsofts products (OSS). .................................................. ..................................................
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I don't know what this guy is talking about but sendmail doesn't have the features required to be considered groupware. At the minimum, you'd have to add calendaring to it.
I am the sysadmin at a rapidly growing high tech firm. Our hardware design engineers have been working diligently with NT, and cursing it frequently as it will die two hours into a simulation. Our design tools are mostly available on Linux, and the few that aren't will run on our Solaris boxes which is a similar user experience. They only need to understand one interface.
There are some key areas though where we need Linux-based solutions and don't currently seem to have any.
1) Visio - We do use Visio on NT quite extensively and need something like it on Linux. It doesn't have to be open source.
2) Single sign on - You're gonna shreik but MS is going to have the best solution in terms of Active Directory. Using NSS and PAM we hope to have Linux users authenticated by a Win2K server. Samba as an NT domain controller is still quite immature, and doesn't scale well across the enterprise.
3) MS Outlook - Our company depends heavily on Outlook. The integration between E-mail, calendar, and delegated tasks is a godsend to us and works precisely how we want it to. We're in a bit of a pickle on how we're ever going to share calendars and delegate tasts between Windows and Linux users. We need to have a groupware product that does all of this and runs on all platforms.
There's more, of course, but those are the big ones.
Screw Micro$oft.
Y'know I'm not sure but it seems like it 'happened' the same day someone managed to post porno images in comments.
/. and I see some woman slurping down on some guy's giant prick. Not that I wouldn't normally enjoy seeing something like that but I also enjoy being able to pay the mortgage and buy food and stuff and my employer has a habit of firing people who browse porno at work.
/. that someone found and the quickest way to stop it was to pull the html/text posting thingy.
That was fun, I'm at work skimming
Just a guess, but maybe there was some hole in
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
I'm not into bashing any specific OS for it's bugs or shortcomings - but who the hell implemented a mission critical computer without (1) A backup server (2) Non-cascading program threads (3) Using an OS that crashes? When I was in the Navy, the guy who specified NT would have been taken out to the flight deck and shot for treason. We used UNIX, with a backup mainframe. It was NEVER down - it would hang on occasion, bottlenecks up the wazoo, but never crashed. What's this world come to? Truly a sad state of affairs.
I've been crunching on a box for 15 years and this still confounds me. Micro$oft obviously has been selected by a number of companies because they can actually share information with other companies. Too bad IBM didn't partner with Xerox, or we MIGHT have a good, multi-threaded OS with a quality GUI, AND have the software to run on it. Instead, we have one OS that virtually all software runs on, and a multitude of fragmented platforms with truly good OS running on them.
If you want to create a revolution in the industry, quit bickering about who has the best OS and start leveraging your voice to make change happen. Linux is great, but what software suite runs on it? How about RedHat...still few offerings. My favorite GUI OS, BeOS, still has a scant offering of software. Unfortunetly, I have to run a triple-boot machine to be happy AND be functional with the rest of the world.
Now, who out there is going to take the concepts of Linux and UNIX, in a stable, multi-threaded environment, couple them with the ease of a GUI like RedHat, MacOS and RedHat, add the elegance of BeOS and DesqView, and put their money where their mouth is and MARKET the damn thing? If you do, we'll all be forking out the dollars until Sculley or Jobs find you and shoot you. Hell, I'll even bring a fresh pot of daisies to your funeral.
Just a little venting, IMHO...
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